Am I The only One sick of the "go green" propaganda?

[quote name='IRHari']left-wing documentaries are biased? orly?

longcat is long btw.[/QUOTE]

Pretty much. All of 'em.
 
[quote name='budsmoka']Tea party butt hurt I love it[/QUOTE]


LOok...

I'm tired of people associating me with the tea party types. I'm not like them at all, unlike majority of you guys I see things from both sides, down the middle without any dogma. You guys want to gang up on me just because my personal politics differ from yours.

And I agree with the guy @ the top. There are some people who need thier tubes tied or something...too many low IQ offspring running around.
 
From just your posts on the first page of this thread, seems like you have trouble with change. (Not "Change" for the record.) You claim that people are sheeple following this trend and sure there are always some. Most people don't pick the "choices" they believe they pick. Especially, the ones that don't want to change! You think people who want to go on doing what they have always done, what their parents have done from the "good ol' days" are not propagandized sheeple? If people change their lifestyle and perspective that is way less propagandized than someone who is looking for a hyper-masculinized, testosterone filled, supposedly American, anti-intellectual where you don't question the status quo existence. THAT is such a caricature that many Americans fall into. In fact, THAT makes me want to puke to see people fall into that
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You shouldn't be surprised people think you're part of the tea party crowd. Your OP is literally a cookie cutter tea party rant attacking global warming, the green communist movement, etc.

In fact, I'm still suspicious of it. It's so cliched and unoriginal I really believe that you're just rolling (like rumblebear, where the fuck is that guy anyway?)

It's unfortunate that you're blaming Morgan Spurlock for McDonald's decision to pull supersize in some areas. It was McDonald's decision, ultimately. Not Morgan's. Personal responsibility, amirite?
 
Your nephew should not be eating little debbie snacks at all. Fat people are gross and so are people that want to pollute the work. Sorry we care about where we live and expect others to do the same. Really a large isn't big enough for your fat ass? The small in this nation is just as big as the large in other countries. I can't wait to leave this country because people like the OP make me sick.
 
[quote name='budsmoka']Your nephew should not be eating little debbie snacks at all. Fat people are gross and so are people that want to pollute the work. Sorry we care about where we live and expect others to do the same. Really a large isn't big enough for your fat ass? The small in this nation is just as big as the large in other countries. I can't wait to leave this country because people like the OP make me sick.[/QUOTE]



Personal attacks get you no where. Fine, you and all your tree hugger, liberal college buddies, need to leave. Go to France, that place is right up your alley pal. Lots of freaks walking around that you can conversant with about the latest art show. Anti-American shit. People are overseas dying for your goddamn freedom, so you have the opportunity to move some place that isn't even your country.

Go snack on a granola bar.
 
[quote name='IRHari']You shouldn't be surprised people think you're part of the tea party crowd. Your OP is literally a cookie cutter tea party rant attacking global warming, the green communist movement, etc.

In fact, I'm still suspicious of it. It's so cliched and unoriginal I really believe that you're just rolling (like rumblebear, where the fuck is that guy anyway?)

It's unfortunate that you're blaming Morgan Spurlock for McDonald's decision to pull supersize in some areas. It was McDonald's decision, ultimately. Not Morgan's. Personal responsibility, amirite?[/QUOTE]

The Tea Party people, like you & men, both want what's best for the US at the end of the day.
 
[quote name='Rex_Banner']Personal attacks get you no where. Fine, you and all your tree hugger, liberal college buddies, need to leave.

Good I am, this country is fucked anyways because of people like you.

Go to France, that place is right up your alley pal. Lots of freaks walking around that you can conversant with about the latest art show. Anti-American shit.

I'm thinking China instead. Its the new America and its where the real money is now a days. Shanghai here I come.

People are overseas dying for your goddamn freedom, so you have the opportunity to move some place that isn't even your country.

More like dying for oil I'd rather not even use.

Go snack on a granola bar.

I'd prefer a nice juicy steak.

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Troll harder n00b :nottalking:
 
[quote name='budsmoka']Troll harder n00b :nottalking:[/QUOTE]


Troll harder? Hardly, yeah, go have fun in your communist country, where you have next to zero rights as a human being.

Soilders over Oil? What is this 2004? Try again hippie. :lol:
 
Actually US expats live almost like royalty over there. Even an english teacher gets room and a salary of 3000-5000 in the local currency, thats more then the average middle class family. Shanghai has some of the best nightlife in the world. I'll be living it up while you slowly die an early death from obesity or what ever else ends up fucking up america.
 
[quote name='budsmoka']Actually US expats live almost like royalty over there. Even an english teacher gets room and a salary of 3000-5000 in the local currency, thats more then the average middle class family. Shanghai has some of the best nightlife in the world. I'll be living it up while you slowly die an early death from obesity or what ever else ends up fucking up america.[/QUOTE]


Fine. Pack your shit, and leave junior lol. You're some 15 year old Atheist from the suburbs thinking Communism is the shit, meanwhile you have no Rights, as I stated , that I want and practice everyday, the rights you take for granted every single day, just so you can move to communist China.
 
[quote name='budsmoka']I'm agnostic and I'll be more free in China then you are here. How sad is that?[/QUOTE]

Yay, another college kid becoming Agnostic/Atheist because of stuff his professor told him. Real original.
 
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[quote name='Rex_Banner']Yay, another college kid becoming Agnostic/Atheist because of stuff his professor told him. Real original.[/QUOTE]

do you have a problem with atheism or the way some people express atheistic "values?" (budsmoka is just an infamous troll here btw)

Anyways, the "go green" stuff that's everywhere is indeed annoying, but most of it is the next logical step if made affordable.

hybrid cars aren't popular because soccer moms want to save the trees, they are on the rise because they save people a shit ton of money. public transit is something that should always be encouraged since commuting in the states is a complete pain in the ass, and also expensive. i think you are more annoyed by morons, rather then the ideas themselves.

gay people for example -- i have nothing against your sexual preference, but showing your "pride" doesn't make any sense. i attend a big state university and the amount of lesbian/gay/bi events is sickening. if you talk to most young students, no one really gives a shit if someone is gay or not -- but still people take to the streets acting like people care about what they do in privacy. All of these clubs and events are just big meeting places for gay people to find each other and hook up.
 
[quote name='Rex_Banner']Yay, another college kid becoming Agnostic/Atheist because of stuff his professor told him. Real original.[/QUOTE]

Actually I came to that realization my self. There is no proof of god existing or not existing so it is pointless for me to make a decision about it because in the long run I don't care either way.
 
If the "gullible, liberal" college atheists left this country, the average IQ of this country would drop even more. Agnostics/atheists can sometimes be smug, but they are usually some of the smartest people in the world, who are trying to progress are world further through science and engineering.
 
[quote name='fatherofcaitlyn']It's a Superhero city joke considering Rex is a cartoon character and bud is a caricature.[/QUOTE]

LOL. I guess I am just a little sensitive today. After a long Friday night of campaigning against the rights of homosexuals, I returned to the compound. I was greeted by Jemimah (wife #3) who informed me that Esther (wife #12) ran away with some dateline NBC producer. I am worried sick, shes only 14 years old. ;)
 
I agree with the OP (slightly) in the sense that there are too many people shoving it down your throat everywhere you turn. The truth about it all is that most companies will claim to go green or sell green because it is the current trend. Of course, as technology improves, cheapens, and the public gains more knowledge of the matters, these companies that claim their "green-ness" will be questioned. Eventually there will be restrictions placed on companies and their abilities to claim being green.

Anyway, there are so many different arguments going on here that it's difficult to manage them all. Green technology is not always as green as they state because you have to look at the overall footprint of it all. Using an electric car is great because it is 0 emissions, however, how much carbon was produced generating that electric you're taking from the outlet? If it's a simple matter of using chemicals vs. not using chemicals, I say use less chemicals. But, many people buy shit that's got a green label because it has a label rather than researching to figure out whether it's truly the best option to go with.

For example, they want to use corn to produce the next fuel for our vehicles. However, think about how many edible crops will be wasted, how much additional farmland will be used, how many chemicals, tractors, buildings, plants, etc will be required. It's a lot to consider.

So, my outlook is that I will recycle where I can, turn off lights, open windows, use less power, etc etc where I can and where it's worth it. Not to my wallet (well, sometimes to my wallet) but worth it in the sense that it actually does something positive.


For the food argument, I see nothing wrong with unnatural and unhealthy foods. It's bad for you in excess, which seems to be the key theme through it all. Moderation! I love foods of all type. I'd rather die at 80 and enjoy my life than 100 and eat Kale every day. I luck out in that I like veggies and fruits anyway. However, I will not cut beef out! I need a steak once in a while. That plus activity and I'm in great shape. Fat Americans, as well as fat people around the world, are usually a result of inactivity and poor diets. Just because someone eats a shitty diet doesn't mean they're fat. I know plenty of skinny people who eat like crap. I know my parents grew up with all types of shitty foods, but they also didn't sit in front of the tv playing video games like the majority of children do.

I'm a bigger proponent of exercise than diet anyway. They are both important, but exercise is on a whole different level. Limit video games and make your kids play outside. Shit, I used to play in the woods, fall and get cuts and bruises all of the time, and ride my bike for hours with friends.
 
[quote name='Hiei69']If the "gullible, liberal" college atheists left this country, the average IQ of this country would drop even more. Agnostics/atheists can sometimes be smug, but they are usually some of the smartest people in the world, who are trying to progress are world further through science and engineering.[/QUOTE]

It's too bad teachers can't be mean to kids anymore... we used to be forced to learn. Now, if you're a disruptive kid, you can disrupt all you want and nobody can do shit about it. I never got hit or anything, but I used to get yelled at in front of the whole class if I got caught cheating, called out for poor performances, and given extra homework assignments or 1-1 time after class to go over trouble sections.
 
Does budsmoka have some random kana poorly tattoed on his tit?

I could swear I can read a jailhouse-quality "tonuta" in there. Whatever that means.
 
I'm sick of this green shit too. Who the hell cares, really? Why do we need to devote our lives and extra money to buying 'green' items and being 'green'? As far as I'm concerned, my carbon footprint is about 1/100 of Al Gore's, and if I'm greener than Al Gore, I'm green enough.
 
[quote name='Rex_Banner']Yay, another college kid becoming Agnostic/Atheist because of stuff his professor told him. Real original.[/QUOTE]

Don't mind budsmoka, he's just a troll.

Also, I applaud any professors that can get students to become Atheist or Agnostic. About damn time these kids start using their brains instead of blindly following whatever their elders tell them to be 'true'.
 
I wonder if people get mad at green tech just because Gore has been attached as a poster boy, thus painting the whole thing as "librul vs US SMARTER THAN HIMS" rodeo clown super bowl. No one has a problem with oil companies making obscene profits, but god forbid some company with new tech to harness solar/wind/hydro power be allowed to make profits because you're incapable of seeing it as anything more than your side versus theirs. I don't understand that motivation. If I want to remove my house from the grid because I can install solar panels, why you gotta hasslin', homie?

Taking it a step further and getting onto someone's case for doing it? You're not better than any zealot from any group - the PETA radicals, the crazed hippies, anyone from any religion who holds up rhetoric signs, etc. You whine about some live-and-let-live thing and then ridicule someone for recycling.

What gets me is that when I was a kid, no one had a problem with it. It's literally sprung up in the last decade. Kids had no problem wanting to recycle, or conserve water, etc. You claim it's all an attack on your way/quality of life, but let's face it - it's not. I won't pretend to call you out for excess, because that's stupid. But I can't help but notice that now not only do you NOT want to be green, you actively parade against the ones that do. And usually, it's the quiet ones who are doing it on their own - never provoking - that get the biggest brunt of it.

I want to reuse bags and buy better lightbulbs? Ok. You want to not change your life? Fine. Quit getting on my damn case about it when you won't let me say one damn thing in response because you dismiss it all with a ridiculous "oh you" attitude.
 
[quote name='Rex_Banner']Pretty much. All of 'em.[/QUOTE]
Look out folks, we've got a live one here.
 
[quote name='Rex_Banner']The Tea Party people, like you & men, both want what's best for the US at the end of the day.[/QUOTE]
No they don't, they want what is best for their narrow minded agendas.
 
.....what the fuck did I just walk into? This is like an unstoppable force meeting an immovable object.
 
[quote name='Indigo_Streetlight']My problem with environmentalism in general is the belief that you as an individual can somehow save the environment by changing your behavior and giving up your quality of life. Nevermind that you can be recycling cardboard boxes for your entire life, but if you decide to have three kids you've caused more environmental damage and fossil fuel use than you can ever make up for with a bunch of feel-good half-measures. I'm looking at Al Gore right here, do as I say, not as I do.

I've seen it in my own state, all this effort put out by dinky conservation groups to restock fish populations while we've got Perdue on the Eastern Shore flushing how many millions of metric tons of chicken shit right into the Chesapeake bay? And guess what, you wouldn't need that many chickens if there weren't so many mouths to feed.

So boom, the solution to me has always been population control. More space and resources for less people equals greater freedom for the individual.[/QUOTE]
[quote name='Rex_Banner']
And I agree with the guy @ the top. There are some people who need thier tubes tied or something...too many low IQ offspring running around.[/QUOTE]
Eugenics is great alright, just tell that to the millions of people who were irreparably harmed by it during the last century across the world.
 
[quote name='Mr Unoriginal']I can't force my neighbors to use birth control. I can recycle.[/QUOTE]

It's not about forcing your neighbors to use birth control. It's about whether you can step up to the plate yourself and choose not to add to the population problem :)
 
[quote name='joeboosauce']What you really mean is more hoarding of resources for Americans so "Rest of the world! Stop reproducing!!! I want more of your resources so I can waste more!!! My God given American right!! THATS "greater freedom.""[/QUOTE]

I think you have it backwards because there seems to be a correlation between the amount of natural resources America consumes and our high standard of living. Now do countries like India and China really want to decrease their natural resource consumption? The answer in a nutshell, is no, they would like to become more like Americans.

Give an expanding population just a little taste of a higher standard of living and the inevitable result is war. That is, unless a truly sustainable economy can be developed. ;) However, one should not confuse the scientific planning of a whole society with the little "tweaks" and efficiency games that so-called conservationists like to play.

For instance, you can increase the fuel economy in a vehicle by adding a whole bunch of computer systems (which add complexity, which requires a new type of servicing for your vehicle because those regulatory systems can fail in ways not envisioned before) and by reducing its size (which has the cost of vulnerability in auto-accidents, less cargo capacity, I could go on).

Now you might disagree, but some people might say that we're crippling the functionality and performance prowess of any given individual's automobile just to cater to the population problem. How about it CAG, would you be willing to trade in your PS3s and Xbox360s for some sleek new...L.E.D.-based microconsole that features a whopping two colors on a 40 millimeter by 40 millimeter screen, all while using some cramped controller that twists your hands up like a pretzel? Come on, you use a stylus already with your DS, why not go a little further and get even more compact, more energy efficient?
 
This isn't aimed at anyone, and I haven't read much of the thread, but I figured I would throw my opinion out there. I am just tired of the fact that no renewable resource is good enough. The only thing that environmentalists will accept is civilization moving backwards, and giving the earth back to itself.

Just look some of this stuff up, California wants to put solar panels in the desert, and people are crashing that idea because it will ruin nature. Wind power is getting bashed because they are killing birds, are ugly and are "unsafe". Clean burning coal isn't really clean. Geothermal energy gives off poisenous gases and is loud. Nuclear is unsafe. Oil, well oil is a big no no now.

This isn't a big bad energy waster vs energy saver fight. It is a fight from each individuals perspective that matters to them what damage each of these 'renewable' energy plans will cause to something that matters to them. But when it comes down to it, any environmentalist will find some type of damage with any renewable energy source and demonize it.
 
[quote name='Knoell']The only thing that crazy environmentalists will accept is civilization moving backwards, and giving the earth back to itself. [/QUOTE]

Fixed, to avoid any sweeping generalizations.
 
[quote name='IRHari']Fixed, to avoid any sweeping generalizations.[/QUOTE]

Explain to me how an environmentalist can possibly accept a renewable resource that won't impede the growth of our civilization?
 
Sadly, at the end of the day it's all about saving jobs. Dirty energy creates more jobs than clean energy. The sun and wind don't need paychecks.
 
[quote name='Knoell']Explain to me how an environmentalist can possibly accept a renewable resource that won't impede the growth of our civilization?[/QUOTE]

Do you know what Lunar Solar Power is?
 
[quote name='crunchb3rry']Sadly, at the end of the day it's all about saving jobs. Dirty energy creates more jobs than clean energy. The sun and wind don't need paychecks.[/QUOTE]

In a lot of ways, money is a substitute for energy. If energy were nearly free, how much money would one need? If one lives in a society where money isn't really needed, how much of a job would one need? If one lives in a society where a job isn't really needed to survive, how would your life be different?
 
Are you saying that every renewable resource will impede the growth of our civilization? Or that environmentalists won't accept any renewable resource currently out there b/c it'll affect the environment in some negative way?
 
[quote name='IRHari']Are you saying that every renewable resource will impede the growth of our civilization? Or that environmentalists won't accept any renewable resource currently out there b/c it'll affect the environment in some negative way?[/QUOTE]

I'm sure this was Knoell, but I'll respond, too.

http://www.pe.com/localnews/inland/stories/PE_News_Local_S_renewable03.3cc481c.html

Realistically, a solar farm dozens of miles away from civilization doesn't make sense.

It is smarter for solar to be built into the building using the electricity.

http://cleantechnica.com/2008/08/18/wind-turbines-and-health/

Wind power makes more sense to build a little away from civilization because a 400 foot tower falling over will give somebody a bad day. Also, some people think wind turbines give them diarrhea. I don't understand how a wind turbine is more disruptive than an air conditioning unit, but you never know.
 
I don't know about Knoell (ok i guess I do from that post), but I see the growth of civilization including sources of power which don't damage the environment we all live in. How great can a civilization really be when it is poisoning the environment?
 
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