Anime and Manga Thread Vol. 1: Visions of a God

[quote name='the_punisher']http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/new...ase-anime-dubbing-in-2011-without-fan-support

Very saddened by this news. No more dubs is a huge blow to anime in general, especially for people like me that not only prefer dubs, but got into anime with dubbed shows (like FullMetal Alchemist). BangZoom! is also one of the best. Very very bad.[/QUOTE]

It will be very unfortunate if BangZoom stops producing English dubs for anime, but this shouldn't be entirely surprising, since they haven't had much work ever since Geneon USA died and Bandai changed their practices. I may be forgetting a show or two, but I think the only English dubs they produced in 2009 were the new English dub of 5cm Per Second and the Eureka Seven movie, and for 2010, their only work so far is the second season of Haruhi Suzumiya and the Haruhi Suzumiya movie.

Hopefully they don't stop producing English dubs, since I've enjoyed every BangZoom production that I've seen. However, I don't think this is a sign of English dubs dying.

[quote name='Kuroi Kaze']-1 saddened. This is pretty cool. I think it's high-time dubs went the way of the 56k modem. Less dub culture means better chances at getting more movies and games subbed.[/QUOTE]

Are you an asshole or are you just incredibly stupid? I have read quite a lot of similar opinions on the ANN forums linked to this article, and it boggles my mind every time. How is that even remotely a logical conclusion? Not only would people be losing their jobs in the event that English dubs stop being produced, but there would be a significant reduction in the amount of people purchasing anime — which is already a problem, mind you — and if there are even less consumers than there are now, then the North American anime industry will be in even more trouble than it already is in now.

No English dubs being produced is bad for everyone.

[quote name='lilman']It would be great if American companies worked more closely with the anime producers so that English dubs could be released soon after (or alongside *dreaming*) Japanese anime releases.[/QUOTE]

There is definitely progress being made in that direction, such as the recent advent of simulcasting, however, the profitability of simulcasting — and streaming in general — is questionable. The consensus thus far is that streaming is not profitable. Also, it should be mentioned — even though it's quite rare right now — that simultaneous releases are being attempted, such as Gundam Unicorn and Kurokami, though it's unclear if this is a viable business practice.

The reason progress in that direction is so slow is because of Japanese culture and how the anime industry in Japan is extremely ingrained in its own practices.

I encourage everyone to listen to the recent ANNcast where the hosts interview Nmerichi Umennachi, a Ph.D candidate at the prestigious Tokyo University of Technology's animation program. It's an extremely interesting interview that provides insight into the Japanese anime industry from the Japanese perspective; they also talk about how a North American company goes about licensing an anime from Japan. Also, I should mention that I am encouraging everyone to listen to this podcast not only because it is very interesting, but also because you will become more informed about the Japanese side of the anime industry.
 
[quote name='the_punisher']And also, i really don't see no dubs --> more anime localized.[/QUOTE]
I could see it. No dubs means that series are cheaper to release, so companies can release more of them, no?
 
Man, it would totally suck to see no more dubbed anime come to America.

Personally, I buy all of the anime I watch. I much rather sit back and relax on my couch and watch it on my HDTV than my iMac (as nice as the screen is). I know I could probably "download" from other sources and stream it over to my TV, but it's too much of a pain. I enjoy just popping the dvd/blu-ray into my PS3 and hitting the play button.

If the only way of getting anime in the future is through online sources then I'll probably stop watching the stuff.
 
[quote name='XxFuRy2Xx']Man, it would totally suck to see no more dubbed anime come to America.

Personally, I buy all of the anime I watch. I much rather sit back and relax on my couch and watch it on my HDTV than my iMac (as nice as the screen is). I know I could probably "download" from other sources and stream it over to my TV, but it's too much of a pain. I enjoy just popping the dvd/blu-ray into my PS3 and hitting the play button.

If the only way of getting anime in the future is through online sources then I'll probably stop watching the stuff.[/QUOTE]
Once you set yourself up the first time you're set for streaming. Its just like going to the store (downloading) then popping it in (navigating to the file via the browser on your whatever). You have a PS3 you say, you're already set. Get PS3 Media Server and you're done.
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Currently watching something other than One Piece, amazing I know, Moribito. English dub. Main character's voice is good. Little kid is annoying but when are little kids not annoying? Rewatched the first episode subbed and I gotta say I prefer the dub. Getting rid of choices is dumb.
 
[quote name='pete5883']I could see it. No dubs means that series are cheaper to release, so companies can release more of them, no?[/QUOTE]

But fewer people would actually *buy* them. Not all people who purchase anime are sub-only fans.
 
Why do people insist on countering me with "What about the American anime industry and its casual fans?!?" Anime popularity (and thus piracy) is at a point now where the disappearance of dubs will do little to deter hardcore fans.

As for casual fans...well they are to the dust-collecting Wiis of the world as fansubbers are to the overheated red ringed 360s.
 
[quote name='Kuroi Kaze']As for casual fans...well they are to the dust-collecting Wiis of the world as fansubbers are to the overheated red ringed 360s.[/QUOTE]
... what?
 
[quote name='Kuroi Kaze']Anime popularity (and thus piracy) is at a point now where the disappearance of dubs will do little to deter hardcore fans.[/QUOTE]
I disagree. The loss of English dubs would greatly reduce the amount of anime I buy, and I buy a lot. I assume there are other fans like me.

[quote name='Kuroi Kaze']As for casual fans...well they are to the dust-collecting Wiis of the world as fansubbers are to the overheated red ringed 360s.[/QUOTE]
Probably not a good analogy considering Nintendo panders to the casual Wii owner so I guess they make the most money off of them.
 
[quote name='Kuroi Kaze']Why do people insist on countering me with "What about the American anime industry and its casual fans?!?" Anime popularity (and thus piracy) is at a point now where the disappearance of dubs will do little to deter hardcore fans.

As for casual fans...well they are to the dust-collecting Wiis of the world as fansubbers are to the overheated red ringed 360s.[/QUOTE]

Hardcore fans are the people causing the problem in the first place - they're downloading and not buying. And your argument is dumbtarded.
 
[quote name='lilman']I disagree. The loss of English dubs would greatly reduce the amount of anime I buy, and I buy a lot. I assume there are other fans like me.[/QUOTE]

I agree. I would be saddened if the number of english dubs were reduced dramatically. I can understand why some prefer the subs, since there have been quite a few english dubs produced that were horrible. But there are some that I felt actually outshine the original japanese version. Evangelion & Melancholy of Haruhi Suzumiya are two series that I felt were better with english dubs.
 
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[quote name='tangytangerine']But there are some that I felt actually outshine the original japanese version. Evangelion & Melancholy of Haruhi Suzumiya are two series that I felt were better with english dubs.[/QUOTE]
I can't even tell if the Japanese dubs are good since I don't know Japanese... at all :p

Do you guys/gals who watch subs listen to the Japanese voices and can tell if the voice acting is good?
 
[quote name='Kuroi Kaze']Why do people insist on countering me with "What about the American anime industry and its casual fans?!?" Anime popularity (and thus piracy) is at a point now where the disappearance of dubs will do little to deter hardcore fans.[/QUOTE]

Deter hardcore fans from what? These "hardcore" fans are already knee-deep in copyright infringement, and the dissolution of the production of English dubs would probably only make them more prolific in their illegal activities. Also, the dissolution of English dubs would probably result in the collapse of the North American anime market, which would be terrible. The Japanese anime industry is incredibly insular, and it has being struggling with a multitude of issues for a while now, and the collapse of international markets will only make the Japanese anime industry even worse, since they need to expand their practices to include international markets.

[quote name='Kuroi Kaze']As for casual fans...well they are to the dust-collecting Wiis of the world as fansubbers are to the overheated red ringed 360s.[/QUOTE]

What the hell are you talking about? You do realize that Nintendo is the market leader, do you not? The Wii and DS are the best selling gaming platforms.

[quote name='lilman']I can't even tell if the Japanese dubs are good since I don't know Japanese... at all :p

Do you guys/gals who watch subs listen to the Japanese voices and can tell if the voice acting is good?[/QUOTE]

I don't know Japanese, but I am confident that I am able to make a distinction between what's good and bad. I would argue that my opinion is just as valid as the opinion of someone who is fluent in Japanese.
 
[quote name='Razzuel']I don't know Japanese, but I am confident that I am able to make a distinction between what's good and bad. I would argue that my opinion is just as valid as the opinion of someone who is fluent in Japanese.[/QUOTE]

Trust me, it's not. At all.

That said, there are some shows that are absolutely painful for me to listen to in Japanese because of a bad Japanese dub (though the most common scenario is just a bad voice actor/actress or two, and not an entire cast). They *do* exist, and are actually more prominent than one would expect.
 
[quote name='Kirin Lemon']Trust me, it's not. At all.

That said, there are some shows that are absolutely painful for me to listen to in Japanese because of a bad Japanese dub (though the most common scenario is just a bad voice actor/actress or two, and not an entire cast). They *do* exist, and are actually more prominent than one would expect.[/QUOTE]

I guess I was being too general in my explanation. I didn't mean that I could technically tell the difference between a good dub and a bad dub, rather, I meant I know if I like something or not, however wrong I may actually be, and I think that's still a valid opinion.

For example, I thought Erin The Beast Player's Japanese dub was magnificent, but I wouldn't be able to tell you if it's good technically, and an example of a bad Japanese dub would be Omamori Himari — I loathe the main character's voice. It's sort of the same thing for me with music in foreign languages. I may not know what the singer is saying, but I know if I like the song or not.
 
[quote name='lilman']Do you guys/gals who watch subs listen to the Japanese voices and can tell if the voice acting is good?[/QUOTE]

Ignorance is bliss when it comes to subs. Kirin just said and has said before that bad Japanese dubbing exists. We just can't see it because we don't understand what is actually being said. We can take points off for just how voices sound (which is why, i don't like subs, those high pitched girl voices are worse than anything America can muster up), but we can't do anything for how realistic the conversations are. Take any random English dub. Most of the time, the voices themself stand up fine. It's just what they are saying that bothers everyone.

And for the life of me, i don't understand Kuroi's dusty wiis versus red rings comment. Does this mean that mediocre dubs are good because they work, while fansubbing sucks because it breaks with the frequencyu of dollar store earphones?
 
i guess i'll clarify. nobody that owns a wii (that i know of) actually uses the thing. sure it's "the most popular ever" or whatever, but none of the hardcore gamers i know of actually would care if there were never another game on it. it wouldn't effect the 360/ps3 gamers and what they planned on buying anyway. they probably wouldn't notice any difference in their lives at all.

if the NA market collapsed, i can't say that it would have any negative impact on the fansubbers/downloaders anyway since they're not participating. hence, why should they have a vested interest in what happens to said market? the fandom isn't going anywhere even if all dubs ceased and no dvd's were released here ever again. it makes people uncomfortable to hear things like that, but its simply the truth.
 
just finished moribito. had an ending and a "wrap up" episode, so its automatically better than most 13-26 episode series i've seen.

ending was surprisingly good. these days in a series if there is a sacrifice to be made i just assume the character is going to do the noble thing and do the sacrifice, but things turned out differently here and that was a nice surprise. they also did not go for an abstract ending open to a million interpretations, which is also good. it was slightly depressing, but that was the way it had to be.

i give it 8.5 strawhats out of 10.
 
[quote name='Kuroi Kaze']i guess i'll clarify. nobody that owns a wii (that i know of) actually uses the thing. sure it's "the most popular ever" or whatever, but none of the hardcore gamers i know of actually would care if there were never another game on it. it wouldn't effect the 360/ps3 gamers and what they planned on buying anyway. they probably wouldn't notice any difference in their lives at all.[/QUOTE]

I care; Super Mario Galaxy 2 is going to be pretty damn awesome, and there are also quite a few recent Wii games that I intend to purchase.

Furthermore, it's not just that Nintendo is, as you said, "the most popular ever," rather, they have the best selling video game platforms, and they are making the largest profits.

[quote name='Kuroi Kaze']if the NA market collapsed, i can't say that it would have any negative impact on the fansubbers/downloaders anyway since they're not participating. hence, why should they have a vested interest in what happens to said market? the fandom isn't going anywhere even if all dubs ceased and no dvd's were released here ever again. it makes people uncomfortable to hear things like that, but its simply the truth.[/QUOTE]

You're completely ignoring the issues with the Japanese anime industry.
 
What issues exactly? Anime existed before Americans, and it would exist afterwards. Would as much get made? Maybe not, it's hard to say. It depends a lot on if the J-companies get a cut of every DVD sold in America or simply the initial licensing fee from whoever is distributing it here. They can probably survive the loss of the licensing fees without any dramatic change in the landscape.
 
To get away from the lame "It'll be awesome when dubs die" talk, I'm very stoked that school is about to finish. I'm gonna use the inevitable copious amount of time to find a job to gorge on anime. Gonna try and blast through the backlog I've got going on, hopefully get through it all before I start my career.
 
I figured it would be best to ask this question here. I'm pretty much a noob when it comes to anime, the only one's I've watched are Wolf's Rain and Pokemon. I'm looking to get more into it, and hopefully go to a couple of anime conventions coming up. Any suggestions on what the best animes to start with would be? English only please, I really have a difficult time watching stuff in Japanese, even if it has English subtitles.
 
[quote name='Kissfuldreamer']I figured it would be best to ask this question here. I'm pretty much a noob when it comes to anime, the only one's I've watched are Wolf's Rain and Pokemon. I'm looking to get more into it, and hopefully go to a couple of anime conventions coming up. Any suggestions on what the best animes to start with would be? English only please, I really have a difficult time watching stuff in Japanese, even if it has English subtitles.[/QUOTE]

Cowboy Bebop, Fullmetal Alchemist, Samurai Champloo, and Read or Die/R.O.D The TV. Get started!
 
[quote name='Kissfuldreamer']I figured it would be best to ask this question here. I'm pretty much a noob when it comes to anime, the only one's I've watched are Wolf's Rain and Pokemon. I'm looking to get more into it, and hopefully go to a couple of anime conventions coming up. Any suggestions on what the best animes to start with would be? English only please, I really have a difficult time watching stuff in Japanese, even if it has English subtitles.[/QUOTE]
Outlaw Star maaaaan.
 
So the anime convention I guest-coordinate for starts tomorrow, and I just got back from a really late post-flight dinner with Todd Haberkorn, Wendy Powell, and Chris Cason. Awesome people, I'm totally excited for the rest of the weekend!
 
[quote name='Kissfuldreamer']I figured it would be best to ask this question here. I'm pretty much a noob when it comes to anime, the only one's I've watched are Wolf's Rain and Pokemon. I'm looking to get more into it, and hopefully go to a couple of anime conventions coming up. Any suggestions on what the best animes to start with would be? English only please, I really have a difficult time watching stuff in Japanese, even if it has English subtitles.[/QUOTE]

[quote name='Kirin Lemon']Cowboy Bebop, Fullmetal Alchemist, Samurai Champloo, and Read or Die/R.O.D The TV. Get started![/QUOTE]
^ Agreed. Other good starter anime include Death Note and Ghost in the Shell Stand Alone Complex.
 
[quote name='lilman']^ Agreed. Other good starter anime include Death Note and Ghost in the Shell Stand Alone Complex.[/QUOTE]

Ah yeah, Death Note for sure. I'd probably hold off on the GitS suggestion for a newbie, though...
 
[quote name='Kissfuldreamer']I figured it would be best to ask this question here. I'm pretty much a noob when it comes to anime, the only one's I've watched are Wolf's Rain and Pokemon. I'm looking to get more into it, and hopefully go to a couple of anime conventions coming up. Any suggestions on what the best animes to start with would be? English only please, I really have a difficult time watching stuff in Japanese, even if it has English subtitles.[/QUOTE]

Good suggestions so far, i'd probably start with FullMetal Alchemist and/or Death Note.


Not sure if anyone (besides Razzuel) is watching Durarara!! (from the guy behind Baccano!), but it's now one of the best series' i've ever seen. It has all the craziness expected from Baccano, and an overall amazing complex and deep story that i'm pretty much in love with right now. It's a shame i'm going to catch up soon, and then i'll have to wait until the beginning of July (TWO MONTHS :whistle2:() for the final episode.
 
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[quote name='XxFuRy2Xx']To get away from the lame "It'll be awesome when dubs die" talk, I'm very stoked that school is about to finish. I'm gonna use the inevitable copious amount of time to find a job to gorge on anime. Gonna try and blast through the backlog I've got going on, hopefully get through it all before I start my career.[/QUOTE]
Congrats on finishing school (soon). I found that I have a lot more time for anime when I work than when I was in school... masters program was brutal. And of course the added funds for anime made my backlog grow like crazy.
 
so i just couldn't bring myself to watch any more jubei-chan 2. it just wasn't the least bit compelling to watch further, and that's saying something since i'm sort of a series completionist.

i've decided to try out rozen maiden, knowing absolutely nothing about it. at about 5 eps in i'm not sure what to think exactly. my wife super-likes it and at times i find myself intrigued but at other times it just reeks of typical harem-anime type stuff without the fan service component.

any thoughts out there about this one?
 
Chu-Bra ya or neh?

also anyone know the name of a anime , that is about a smart adult girl from the future who travels in time present japan but some how ends up being a kid, and she get a job as a teachers in a HS , but the kids make fun of her and hurt her feelings and something happens....dont know the rest, i don't think i'm making this up....

Also what is the name of the anime where this girl has magical panties that makes her a wiz at videogames...again i dont think im making this up...
 
[quote name='Kirin Lemon']fuck no, why would you even ask about this?[/QUOTE]

it was on my to watch list but i guess i wont now, also should i be watching K-on!?
 
i wound up finishing rozen maiden because, hell it's only 12 eps. all i could think about while watching it was "Is this what got Chuplayer going?"

it's an odd little show, but my wife really liked it and it didn't particularly offend me.
i think kino's journey might be next.
 
Tried forcing myself through Princess Tutu again, could only get up to episode 18 before I couldn't take anymore. So, instead I started up the dub of Monster and rocketed from episode 8 to episode 54 in 4 days.

I plan on watching either Strike Witches or Kurau after I catch up on Monster. I'm sure Kurau will probably get the recommendation here over SW
 
[quote name='Kuroi Kaze']Yeah Tutu isn't really that well done. In theory the story is pretty good but the delivery lacks in a lot of ways.[/QUOTE]

... Says the person who enjoyed Rozen Maiden. :roll:
 
[quote name='Kissfuldreamer']Decided to buy School of Rumble entire set, seems like it's a good anime.[/QUOTE]

It is. slow at times, but overall one of the best comedies i've seen.


[quote name='Bezerker']Tried forcing myself through Princess Tutu again, could only get up to episode 18 before I couldn't take anymore. So, instead I started up the dub of Monster and rocketed from episode 8 to episode 54 in 4 days.

I plan on watching either Strike Witches or Kurau after I catch up on Monster. I'm sure Kurau will probably get the recommendation here over SW[/QUOTE]

I wouldn't watch Tutu again, it's one of those shows that's probably only good once.

Where are you watching all of Monster dubbed? I'm waiting for them to release on DVD, but they released 1 Box Set and then it looks like they just gave up. Looks like a great show.

I also want to watch Strike Witches, i watched the first episode on Funi and it seemed pretty good. Too expensive to buy though.

I finished the first set of Soul Eater, and it was worth the long wait to DVD. It's made by Bones which is already a +1, and it's a good mix of comedy and action. So far, i'm impressed.
 
[quote name='the_punisher']Where are you watching all of Monster dubbed? I'm waiting for them to release on DVD, but they released 1 Box Set and then it looks like they just gave up.[/QUOTE]
It's being released by Viz, they're known for doing that.
 
[quote name='SeanAmI']Reread that, his wife liked it.[/QUOTE]

He finished watching it and didn't seem to have any real complaints, which is more than enough reason to discount his opinions on... well, everything. ;)
 
[quote name='Kuroi Kaze']Yeah Tutu isn't really that well done. In theory the story is pretty good but the delivery lacks in a lot of ways.[/QUOTE]

You're also the person that gave up on Jubei-chan 2. Tsk tsk.

[quote name='the_punisher']
Where are you watching all of Monster dubbed? I'm waiting for them to release on DVD, but they released 1 Box Set and then it looks like they just gave up. Looks like a great show.[/QUOTE]

You can watch it on Syfy every Monday, or you can watch it on iTunes, which is updated alongside Monster's release on Syfy.

I have a hard time believing that Viz is going to give up on the DVD release of Monster, since they have already invested so much money into the series, but dammit, they need to hurry their asses up and release the rest of the series on DVD.
 
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