Anyone a Rush Limbaugh fan?

[quote name='fatherofcaitlyn']The other side of the coin is starting unnecessary wars, creating police state organizations such as the Department of Homeland Security and handing over my hard earned money in corporate welfare.

Meanwhile, neither side maintains infrastructure (ie. bridges), pushes ideas that ensure our survival (ie. alternative energy or social program solvency) or does anything inspiring (ie. establishing a permanent colony on the Moon or exploring Mars).[/QUOTE]

http://www.theonion.com/articles/nation-demands-tax-dollars-only-be-wasted-on-stuff,17704/
 
[quote name='IRHari']It's awful when people try to compare FOX commentators with Maddow or even Olbermann. I have yet to see anyone effectively argue how they are in any way comparable.[/QUOTE]

It's not that hard at least comparing Limbaugh and Olbermann. (I know you said Fox commentators, but I'll stretch this.)

Olbermann and Limbaugh are smartasses of the highest order that love the sound of their voice, think they know everything, yet stay far away from political service themselves because privately they know they know it isn't as simple as having a voice and they know they can't change everyone's minds to their philosophies overnight. The controversy is what keeps them paid. They are prime examples of those who can do and those who cannot "teach". Oh, and they both lost jobs with ESPN, so there you go. :lol:

I'm not a fan of anyone, but the guy I don't mind listening to most of the time is Boortz simply because I like listening when he has Jamie Dupree on. I think Dupree is a really good reporter. Michael Medved is ok simply because he seems to be less of an ass to callers, at least from what I have heard.

Don't get me wrong, Olbermann, Limbaugh, almost all of these personalities make good and bad points, but they are entertainers and should be viewed as such.

Michael Savage is a fucking fool though.
 
[quote name='Access_Denied']I have to listen to Rush all day long at work with my partner. :bomb: He's a radical son of a bitch, and can go a bit overboard, but overall, most of the stuff he says is actually right. There's little things here and there I disagree with, and maybe a few key issues, but other than that, I like him.

Yes, I realize that everybody will now flame me. Go ahead. I'm just speaking my opinion. As a hard working person, there's no other side I could take but the conservative side.[/QUOTE]

How can you defend his defense of that bp oil spill? Saying it's alright because it's natural?
 
[quote name='fatherofcaitlyn']The other side of the coin is starting unnecessary wars, creating police state organizations such as the Department of Homeland Security and handing over my hard earned money in corporate welfare.

Meanwhile, neither side maintains infrastructure (ie. bridges), pushes ideas that ensure our survival (ie. alternative energy or social program solvency) or does anything inspiring (ie. establishing a permanent colony on the Moon or exploring Mars).[/QUOTE]

I guess this is where the difference in opinion lies. Lesser of two evils I guess. I think what pushes me towards the conservative side is a few key issues, like gun rights and taxes.

Oh well, I try to never argue politics. To each their own.
 
[quote name='shosh']How can you defend his defense of that bp oil spill? Saying it's alright because it's natural?[/QUOTE]

I can defend it by simply saying, "We need oil". Period. Do I like the spill? Hell no. Should we tax the shit out of BP for not being prepared for this? Absolutely. Our dependance on oil isn't going to change for another 100 years anyway, no matter who's in power. We might as well just deal with what comes our way, and continue to make progress towards a new energy.

I don't see how oil has anything to do with politics. Our country as a whole is dependent on oil, not just one party of it.
 
That's not defending him, thats coming up with your own explanation and trying to play his idiocy down.

Also, as a liberal, I feel completely comfortable giving to the less fortunate. I grew up below the poverty line, now I'm middle class. It's not a handout, it's decency.
I don't see how oil has anything to do with politics. Our country as a whole is dependent on oil, not just one party of it.
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Progressives want to ween us off oil since it's all around a bad thing to rely on. Conservatives feel oil is the only way and refuse new fuel options. It's political because of conservative ignorance.

As a hard working person, there's no other side I could take but the conservative side.
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The rest of your post was fine and sane, but this bit irks me. It does infer that only conservatives are hardworking people, and that's just a stupid thing to say.

I don't know about you, but if I work hard and get ahead, I want to keep my damn money. I don't need to be penalized with more taxes for making more money than other people.
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That's because you're selfish and greedy, sorry. I can't say it any other way. "ITS MY MONEY, I DONT WANT IT HELPING OTHER PEOPLE."

Lesser of two evils I guess.
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Now see, this is a horrid thing to say. You would rather send 1,000s of good men and women to their deaths unnecessarily than pay taxes to help the less fortunate?

The sad truth is , I'm pretty sure he suffers from Histrionic Personality Disorder (HPD) He's not "stupid", just prone to excess. But if he sought some help out and dealt with his traumatic childhood, he'd be a much happier individual.
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My definition of stupid differs from yours. I feel he's a complete moron because his excess comes without warrant, facts, or any sort of thought. That's stupid.
 
[quote name='dorino']That's not defending him, thats coming up with your own explanation and trying to play his idiocy down.

Also, as a liberal, I feel completely comfortable giving to the less fortunate. I grew up below the poverty line, now I'm middle class. It's not a handout, it's decency.

Progressives want to ween us off oil since it's all around a bad thing to rely on. Conservatives feel oil is the only way and refuse new fuel options. It's political because of conservative ignorance.

The rest of your post was fine and sane, but this bit irks me. It does infer that only conservatives are hardworking people, and that's just a stupid thing to say.

That's because you're selfish and greedy, sorry. I can't say it any other way. "ITS MY MONEY, I DONT WANT IT HELPING OTHER PEOPLE."

Now see, this is a horrid thing to say. You would rather send 1,000s of good men and women to their deaths unnecessarily than pay taxes to help the less fortunate?

My definition of stupid differs from yours. I feel he's a complete moron because his excess comes without warrant, facts, or any sort of thought. That's stupid.[/QUOTE]
I think one of the great things about America is that we can all decide what we want to do with our own property. No one should be forced to give their money to the less fortunate. It might be the polite thing to do, and I think it's a good thing, but I don't think we should FORCE someone into it. We all have the right to be selfish and greedy, or considerate and selfless. You can think someones a jerk for saying "ITS MY MONEY, I DON'T WANT IT HELPING OTHER PEOPLE.", but it is their right to do what they want with their money.
 
[quote name='Access_Denied']I can defend it by simply saying, "We need oil". Period. Do I like the spill? Hell no. Should we tax the shit out of BP for not being prepared for this? Absolutely. Our dependance on oil isn't going to change for another 100 years anyway, no matter who's in power. We might as well just deal with what comes our way, and continue to make progress towards a new energy.

I don't see how oil has anything to do with politics. Our country as a whole is dependent on oil, not just one party of it.[/QUOTE]
its how we get our oil that becomes political. remember drill baby drill. where is sarah palin with that statement now.


it was obvious that deep water drilling was very, very difficult. a statement that bp even made themselves. so what you are doing is risking the environment and the surrounding communities with offshore drilling. i think we have to be at least conscious about how we are getting our oil, and that would include provisions on how offshore drilling is done. thats where the govt comes into play. i believe that offshore drilling should be regulated more since it can have a adverse affect, and thats one of the general principals of conservatives. less govt intervention and less regulations.
 
[quote name='dorino']That's not defending him, thats coming up with your own explanation and trying to play his idiocy down.

Also, as a liberal, I feel completely comfortable giving to the less fortunate. I grew up below the poverty line, now I'm middle class. It's not a handout, it's decency.

Progressives want to ween us off oil since it's all around a bad thing to rely on. Conservatives feel oil is the only way and refuse new fuel options. It's political because of conservative ignorance.

The rest of your post was fine and sane, but this bit irks me. It does infer that only conservatives are hardworking people, and that's just a stupid thing to say.

That's because you're selfish and greedy, sorry. I can't say it any other way. "ITS MY MONEY, I DONT WANT IT HELPING OTHER PEOPLE."

Now see, this is a horrid thing to say. You would rather send 1,000s of good men and women to their deaths unnecessarily than pay taxes to help the less fortunate?

My definition of stupid differs from yours. I feel he's a complete moron because his excess comes without warrant, facts, or any sort of thought. That's stupid.[/QUOTE]

Tell me one reason why I should give my hard earned money to other people? Why are they deserving of it? They can go out and get jobs too. Handicapped people? Absolutely, we should do our best to help. Veterans? Again, absolutely, they fought for you. But give me ONE good reason that I should have to pay a single penny for all the lazy fuckers that won't go out and get jobs. Give me a reason why I have to use MY money to help the drug dealers in the next town over. And better yet, why should my property taxes go up EVERY year because my schools are being overrun with illegal immigrants?

Honestly, I'd rather burn my money. I'm all for government help programs. Everybody needs help once in a while. But as far as I'm concerned, the lazy fucks who never get a job and rely on other people their whole life can just die. Weed their lazy genes out of the pool.

I don't know about you, but I live in a town FULL of gang members, illegal immigrants, drug dealers and lazy bums. And I for one, am SICK of paying for them. You want to donate you dollar? Be my guest. I live in Waukegan, Illinois, and we're accepting donations.

Oh, and by the way, before anybody asks, NO, I'm not rich. In fact, my family is below the poverty line for our area, and always has been since I came into this world 19 years ago.

It's OK though. I'm glad that our 19 years of hard work has paid off. The illegal family next door finally has their brand new Escalade after being here only a few years. My family might own a decent car one day....

One last thing. Conservatives want to move towards new energy too. We just realize that it's not feasible now, and probably won't be in the next 30 years. Our best electric motors can't do things that we need like power aircrafts or ships. Our best windmills have payback periods of sometimes 100 years, not to mention being noisy as hell. And our best solar panels are mediocre at best. There was an article in the paper that showed an entire city block covered in 32,500 solar panels, and compared to our state electricity usage, was pretty much useless. When alternative forms are actually useful, we'll do it. But until then, we'll have to continue searching for oil.
 
Windmills aren't noisy... At least the ones in Portugal aren't. Every time I visit there and go into the mountains near the wind mills, they are pretty damn quiet.
 
[quote name='Access_Denied']Tell me one reason why I should give my hard earned money to other people? Why are they deserving of it? They can go out and get jobs too. Handicapped people? Absolutely, we should do our best to help. Veterans? Again, absolutely, they fought for you. But give me ONE good reason that I should have to pay a single penny for all the lazy fuckers that won't go out and get jobs. Give me a reason why I have to use MY money to help the drug dealers in the next town over. And better yet, why should my property taxes go up EVERY year because my schools are being overrun with illegal immigrants?

Honestly, I'd rather burn my money. I'm all for government help programs. Everybody needs help once in a while. But as far as I'm concerned, the lazy fucks who never get a job and rely on other people their whole life can just die. Weed their lazy genes out of the pool.

I don't know about you, but I live in a town FULL of gang members, illegal immigrants, drug dealers and lazy bums. And I for one, am SICK of paying for them. You want to donate you dollar? Be my guest. I live in Waukegan, Illinois, and we're accepting donations.

Oh, and by the way, before anybody asks, NO, I'm not rich. In fact, my family is below the poverty line for our area, and always has been since I came into this world 19 years ago.

It's OK though. I'm glad that our 19 years of hard work has paid off. The illegal family next door finally has their brand new Escalade after being here only a few years. My family might own a decent car one day....

One last thing. Conservatives want to move towards new energy too. We just realize that it's not feasible now, and probably won't be in the next 30 years. Our best electric motors can't do things that we need like power aircrafts or ships. Our best windmills have payback periods of sometimes 100 years, not to mention being noisy as hell. And our best solar panels are mediocre at best. There was an article in the paper that showed an entire city block covered in 32,500 solar panels, and compared to our state electricity usage, was pretty much useless. When alternative forms are actually useful, we'll do it. But until then, we'll have to continue searching for oil.[/QUOTE]
i live near you. and Waukegan? i used to live on the south side of chicago, if you think your neighborhood is bad. of course youre next to great america so thats a minus for you. you don't even live in cook county. do you know what taxes are?

thats the great myth about conservatives. you pretty much dont even pay for any social programs at all. if you own a house you might MIGHT pay for your local schools and local infrastructures. believe me, you arent paying for anyones meal.

my family owns commerical property and a small business. you can't believe that taxes we have to pay. im actually a conservative about taxes. i think we need tax breaks to small businesses. but the average joe really doesnt need any tax breaks because you guys just don't need it. its just not significant enough. some of these politicians use the tax platform as a gimmick to the average joe, and thats what im pissed about. what the hell does a 200 check do?

and if you live below the poverty line, you dont even pay taxes. don't you guys just pay social security (which you get back) and a fat tax refund?

thats one of the things that limbaugh bitches about. poor people actually getting money on their tax return than paying anything.

I hope youre joking about being below the poverty line, because that just blew my mind.
 
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[quote name='shosh']i live near you. and Waukegan? i used to live on the south side of chicago, if you think your neighborhood is bad. of course youre next to great america so thats a minus for you. you don't even live in cook county. do you know what taxes are?

thats the great myth about conservatives. you pretty much dont even pay for any social programs at all. if you own a house you might MIGHT pay for your local schools and local infrastructures. believe me, you arent paying for anyones meal.

my family owns commerical property and a small business. you can't believe that taxes we have to pay. im actually a conservative about taxes. i think we need tax breaks to small businesses. but the average joe really doesnt need any tax breaks because you guys just don't need it. its just not significant enough. some of these politicians use the tax platform as a gimmick to the average joe, and thats what im pissed about. what the hell does a 200 check do?

and if you live below the poverty line, you dont even pay taxes. don't you guys just pay social security (which you get back) and a fat tax refund?

thats one of the things that limbaugh bitches about. poor people actually getting money on their tax return than paying anything.

I hope youre joking about being below the poverty line, because that just blew my mind.[/QUOTE]

I apologize. You're right. After looking, we are slightly above the poverty line.

That really doesn't matter though. EVERYBODY pays taxes. Sure, there's no significant portion of them that go DIRECTLY to welfare or whatnot, but I can guarantee you that if we cut back on those programs today, that they would take less than 33% of my check tomorrow.

And the taxes I'm mostly referring to are our property taxes. Our property taxes are outrageous because of all the illegals in our school. They go up every year to help fund the school, but every year, the school system gets worse. We have more illegals coming in than we can afford, and they're ruining our schools.

Also, I work in North Chicago. Arguably the shittiest town in Lake County. Every day I drive through it and it's full of prostitutes, gang members and drug dealers. And I know for sure that they don't have real jobs. Yet somehow, they manage to survive. And the money that's paying for their federal aid is coming from somewhere. Right out of our pockets.

Yes, if you own a small business, you are going to pay more taxes, which is fucked up, I know. But even us average Joes pay taxes. Not as much as the small business owner, but we do still pay them. Are they that bad now? Not really. But if we start adding more federal help plans like free health care, you can bet you're ass they're going to go up. The money has got to come from somewhere, and the US isn't going to be able to keep printing it off forever.
 
[quote name='Access_Denied']I apologize. You're right. After looking, we are slightly above the poverty line.

That really doesn't matter though. EVERYBODY pays taxes. Sure, there's no significant portion of them that go DIRECTLY to welfare or whatnot, but I can guarantee you that if we cut back on those programs today, that they would take less than 33% of my check tomorrow.

And the taxes I'm mostly referring to are our property taxes. Our property taxes are outrageous because of all the illegals in our school. They go up every year to help fund the school, but every year, the school system gets worse. We have more illegals coming in than we can afford, and they're ruining our schools.

Also, I work in North Chicago. Arguably the shittiest town in Lake County. Every day I drive through it and it's full of prostitutes, gang members and drug dealers. And I know for sure that they don't have real jobs. Yet somehow, they manage to survive. And the money that's paying for their federal aid is coming from somewhere. Right out of our pockets.

Yes, if you own a small business, you are going to pay more taxes, which is fucked up, I know. But even us average Joes pay taxes. Not as much as the small business owner, but we do still pay them. Are they that bad now? Not really. But if we start adding more federal help plans like free health care, you can bet you're ass they're going to go up. The money has got to come from somewhere, and the US isn't going to be able to keep printing it off forever.[/QUOTE]
Again, i don't think you pay much at all. in fact you probably pay a much less share that what everyone else has to pay. imagine if there was a flat tax like some radical republicans have proposed. you wouldn't even have a house anymore while some rich folks would save significantly. A family friend of mine owns a small restaurant and owes about 400k in back taxes. now thats a tax. of course that is a accumulation of over a decade, but your taxes probably pales in comparison. in fact, obama's tax plan will probably lower your taxes, and the main increase are to people who make more than 250k a year. you pay your fair share of taxes for the things you use, like police, roads, parks, library etc. you cant really complain about illegals in your school if you aren't really paying for them.

and those illegals still aren't exempt from paying property taxes. if you own property, you still need to pay these taxes. or if they rent, a portion of that rental goes to property taxes.
 
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Because ALL unemployed people are "too lazy" to get a job. It's definitely not that there's a shortage of work the nation over.


Honestly, I'd rather burn my money. I'm all for government help programs. Everybody needs help once in a while. But as far as I'm concerned, the lazy fucks who never get a job and rely on other people their whole life can just die. Weed their lazy genes out of the pool.
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That's because you're an asshole.
 
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I'd thought I'd throw my thoughts in here. I'm not a fan of Savage most of the time except when he's bitching about Big Pharma and talking about keeping kids and everyone else from getting drugged up.
Oh and Myke, he's got a Doctorate in Hollistic Medicine for fucks sake and he's written who knows how many books on diets, herbal remedies and other things. Like 7 or more I think. It's just a shame all he puts out now are political books.
As for some of these Conservatives on Talk Radio don't get me started. Most are just riding Rush's coat-tails. Sean is a complete douchebag and Lynn Samuels, who worked with him at WABC, has said he's a complete idiot. Oh and Rusty Humphries, how TERRIBLE is he, right? Have any of you heard him? ANY of you here could change your political affiliation and outdo him. Shit a dog could almost do a better show then he does.
The few good NATIONAL talk show hosts I've heard tend to be Liberal. There are 4 of them and they are: Lynn Samuels, Dave Marsh, Alex Bennett and Mike Feder. They're all on Sirius Left. Why? Because they don't read DNC talking points. They're what they are, they stay true to their ideologies.
I might not agree with a Conservative talk show host on a lot but if they're not reading RNC talking points and holding others accountable I could at least respect them.
 
[quote name='shosh']Again, i don't think you pay much at all. in fact you probably pay a much less share that what everyone else has to pay. imagine if there was a flat tax like some radical republicans have proposed. you wouldn't even have a house anymore while some rich folks would save significantly. A family friend of mine owns a small restaurant and owes about 400k in back taxes. now thats a tax. of course that is a accumulation of over a decade, but your taxes probably pales in comparison. in fact, obama's tax plan will probably lower your taxes, and the main increase are to people who make more than 250k a year. you pay your fair share of taxes for the things you use, like police, roads, parks, library etc. you cant really complain about illegals in your school if you aren't really paying for them.

and those illegals still aren't exempt from paying property taxes. if you own property, you still need to pay these taxes. or if they rent, a portion of that rental goes to property taxes.[/QUOTE]

You're absolutely right about the radical Republicans. That's why I'm not a radical. In fact, I really wouldn't label myself anything at all, as I'm about half liberal and half conservative, but when it comes to federal programs, I'm definitely a conservative. I think we should have exactly what Thomas Jefferson wanted; a very limited federal government. Our country isn't this way, nor will it probably ever be, but this is how I would like it to be.

EDIT: Also, on the property taxes, yes, I realize that all homes pay property taxes. But most illegals around here don't have houses. (They shouldn't even be able to get loans.) Most of them stay with a legal family. So around here, we have houses with 4 or 5 families in them, with 15 children, yet they're only paying one set of property taxes. And this happens more and more every year, which is why we constantly have to raise taxes and make cuts at the school. In fact, last year alone our school district laid off over 500 workers because of lack of funding.

And this isn't just some info I'm making up. I went to the schools for 8 years and I know what's going on. I talked to teachers and principals about this. Illegals aren't the only reason our taxes are going up or that the schools are shitty, but they're definitely not helping.


[quote name='dorino']Because ALL unemployed people are "too lazy" to get a job. It's definitely not that there's a shortage of work the nation over.[/QUOTE]

Clearly I said that I agreed with helping people who actually deserve it. You were just too stupid to notice.

[quote name='dorino']That's because you're an asshole.[/QUOTE]

Why thank you. You're going to make me blush. :) Also, in case you haven't noticed, I'm also a Darwinist. I believe that all bad genes should be weeded out of the pool. We need to quit altering natural selection with our stupid 'caring' ways. Which is exactly why I think we should have mental defect screening and IQ tests to be able to breed.
 
[quote name='Access_Denied']Clearly I said that I agreed with helping people who actually deserve it. You were just too stupid to notice.[/QUOTE]
I saw that. I also saw you say that the unemployed are all lazy and shouldn't be in that category. Make up your mind.
I'm also a Darwinist.
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No, you're a crazy person. A Darwinist can differentiate down-in-their-luck from lazy.
 
[quote name='mykevermin']There must have been a sale on broad brushes this weekend, given A_D's profligate use of them.[/QUOTE]
[insert clever analogy]
 
We shouldn't have big government telling us what to DOOOO!!!!!

[quote name='Access_Denied']Which is exactly why I think we should have mental defect screening and IQ tests to be able to breed.[/QUOTE]

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[quote name='dorino']I saw that. I also saw you say that the unemployed are all lazy and shouldn't be in that category. Make up your mind.

No, you're a crazy person. A Darwinist can differentiate down-in-their-luck from lazy.[/QUOTE]

Please, show me the post where I said that all unemployed people were lazy. I know I mentioned that I hate people who live off of unemployment their whole life, but I don't recall saying that I hated people who just happened to lose their job. But maybe you read in between the lines of my post and found something that I didn't?
 
Kind of hard for people to live off unemployment for their entire life stunad.

First off you have to pay off into the system to collect so it isn't exactly free money, also even with extensions there is a finite amount of time one can collect.
 
[quote name='Msut77']Kind of hard for people to live off unemployment for their entire life stunad.

First off you have to pay off into the system to collect so it isn't exactly free money, also even with extensions there is a finite amount of time one can collect.[/QUOTE]

Yes, but you almost always collect more than you pay in. At least the people that I know do this. And yes, theoretically, there are a finite number of extensions, but I have family members that have been living off of it for years, and trust me, I don't see them being cut off at any point in the near future.
 
So you are saying members of your family work for a year or so scheme to get fired in a way as they can collect unemployment and collect benefits for the max amount of time and then wash, rinse, repeat?

All for the princely sum of what? Somewhere under 300 dollars a week?
 
[quote name='Msut77']So you are saying members of your family work for a year or so scheme to get fired in a way as they can collect unemployment and collect benefits for the max amount of time and then wash, rinse, repeat?

All for the princely sum of what? Somewhere under 300 dollars a week?[/QUOTE]

I'm saying that my cousin got fired two years ago, and is currently collecting over $400 a week in unemployment. And as long as he keeps saying that he's 'looking' for a job, they continue to renew his benefits. And I'm willing to bet my paycheck that they'll continue for at least another 2 years.
 
[quote name='Access_Denied']I'm saying that my cousin got fired two years ago, and is currently collecting over $400 a week in unemployment. And as long as he keeps saying that he's 'looking' for a job, they continue to renew his benefits.[/QUOTE]

So you are saying your cousin is just lazy and it has nothing to do with the worst economy since the Great Depression.
 
[quote name='Access_Denied']I'm saying that my cousin got fired two years ago, and is currently collecting over $400 a week in unemployment. And as long as he keeps saying that he's 'looking' for a job, they continue to renew his benefits. And I'm willing to bet my paycheck that they'll continue for at least another 2 years.[/QUOTE]
Wait, so your family lives off the system but yet you blame the illegals. People who probably work their ass off making pennies on the dollar compared to their legal counterpart. People who would love to be citizens and make a decent wage even after paying taxes.

isnt this like when craig t nelson said "I was so poor i was on welfare and i didnt get any govt aid"
 
[quote name='shosh']Wait, so your family lives off the system but yet you blame the illegals. People who probably work their ass off making pennies on the dollar compared to their legal counterpart. People who would love to be citizens and make a decent wage even after paying taxes.

isnt this like when craig t nelson said "I was so poor i was on welfare and i didnt get any govt aid"[/QUOTE]

I never said I liked my cousin, I simply stated he was my cousin. It's not my fault I'm related to him. Also, if people want to move to this country, that's fine. I have absolutely no problem with immigration. However, they should be subject to all the same laws and taxes that we are. And the last time I checked, being here illegally is a felony. I don't know about you, but if I committed a felony, the law would be on me like white on rice. I don't see why they don't get the same treatment.
 
[quote name='Access_Denied']Please, show me the post where I said that all unemployed people were lazy. I know I mentioned that I hate people who live off of unemployment their whole life, but I don't recall saying that I hated people who just happened to lose their job. But maybe you read in between the lines of my post and found something that I didn't?[/QUOTE]
Sorry, you didn't. It sounded like you did, because initially you made no distinction.

And the taxes I'm mostly referring to are our property taxes. Our property taxes are outrageous because of all the illegals in our school. They go up every year to help fund the school, but every year, the school system gets worse. We have more illegals coming in than we can afford, and they're ruining our schools.
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Oh for fuck's sake, shut up. "Illegals" in schools aren't ruining the schools. Bad teachers, idiot students (in large part, white) and stupid laws like No Child Left Behind ruin our schools by catering to the less fortunate. In this instance, I disagree with that immensely. This downward spiral escalated during the Bush years, with the passage of No Child Left Behind, which drags schools down to the lowest denominator instead of giving each student what they deserve. Our failing education system has nothing to do with illegals, who are probably mostly legal immigrants if they managed to get enrolled in a public school.


Also, somehow I feel that family next door with the new escalade isn't illegal. I'm going to go out on a limb and say they're completely legal, and just happen to be Hispanic.
 
[quote name='dorino']Sorry, you didn't. It sounded like you did, because initially you made no distinction.

Oh for fuck's sake, shut up. "Illegals" in schools aren't ruining the schools. Bad teachers, idiot students (in large part, white) and stupid laws like No Child Left Behind ruin our schools by catering to the less fortunate. In this instance, I disagree with that immensely. This downward spiral escalated during the Bush years, with the passage of No Child Left Behind, which drags schools down to the lowest denominator instead of giving each student what they deserve. Our failing education system has nothing to do with illegals, who are probably mostly legal immigrants if they managed to get enrolled in a public school.


Also, somehow I feel that family next door with the new escalade isn't illegal. I'm going to go out on a limb and say they're completely legal, and just happen to be Hispanic.[/QUOTE]

Do you honestly think I'm stupid? I live in a town that's probably 70% Hispanic/Mexican. I realize that they're not ALL illegal. But I do know which ones are illegal. Want to know how I know? They tell me. I had at least 50 kids at school openly admit to me that their family was here illegally. It was honestly no big deal to them because they knew that nobody would do anything about it.

Also, you say that my schools are shitty because of idiot students who are 'mostly white'. Please, come to Waukegan and say that. PLEASE. The population of white people in Waukegan schools is 12%. That's right, 12%. Most of whom are in the accelerated programs that we have, which don't put up with dumbass students. So PLEASE, come visit my high school, and say that it's corrupted because of the 'idiot white students'.

I won't start making racial comments and whatnot, because I know that it is definitely NOT like this everywhere, but at least in Waukegan, it's the Mexicans who cause our schools to be so shitty. So please, don't blame the white people. They may not help, but they're definitely not a 'large part' of the problem.

As far as NCLB goes, no doubt, dumbass law. IMO, all schooling should be privatized, but I won't go into that.
 
The kids of illegal immigrant parents in US schools today are probably not illegals themselves. They were probably born in the United States, making them US citizens. That's how the law is written, no matter how stupid of a law I may think it is. Our failing education system has more to do with lowered standards more than anything else. You can say that we've tried to raise standards over the past few years
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but before that we had at least two decades of lowering standards so we could make kids feel good about themselves because they kept passing and teachers didn't want to deal with "problem childs" more than they had to.

But for schools, the main problem is administrative costs. School board members keep increasing their salaries and salaries of other administrators while taking money away from important projects for educational purposes.

Oh, and before I forget, politicians saying "if we don't raise taxes we'll have to cut money from our education system" is 100% BULLSHIT. Instead of cutting money from education, they should cut it from their fucking pet projects, but they're scum and won't. By saying that, they can raise taxes and get away with it because they tried to make you feel bad about wanting taxes to stay the same or cut.

Wait...we're talking about Limbaugh?
 
[quote name='KingBroly']The kids of illegal immigrant parents in US schools today are probably not illegals themselves. They were probably born in the United States, making them US citizens. That's how the law is written, no matter how stupid of a law I may think it is. Our failing education system has more to do with lowered standards more than anything else. You can say that we've tried to raise standards over the past few years
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but before that we had at least two decades of lowering standards so we could make kids feel good about themselves because they kept passing and teachers didn't want to deal with "problem childs" more than they had to.

But for schools, the main problem is administrative costs. School board members keep increasing their salaries and salaries of other administrators while taking money away from important projects for educational purposes.

Oh, and before I forget, politicians saying "if we don't raise taxes we'll have to cut money from our education system" is 100% BULLSHIT. Instead of cutting money from education, they should cut it from their fucking pet projects, but they're scum and won't. By saying that, they can raise taxes and get away with it because they tried to make you feel bad about wanting taxes to stay the same or cut.

Wait...we're talking about Limbaugh?[/QUOTE]

You're definitely right about the problems in schools. Although as I said, around here, it's mostly the illegals. But I won't make generalizations and say that they're a problem everywhere.

Anyway, yes, back to Limbaugh. We've gone way off topic.
 
[quote name='Access_Denied']You're definitely right about the problems in schools. Although as I said, around here, it's mostly the illegals. But I won't make generalizations and say that they're a problem everywhere.

Anyway, yes, back to Limbaugh. We've gone way off topic.[/QUOTE]

Do you mean illegals as kids in schools or your neighborhood? Because like I said if you're talking about the kids, the kids are most likely not illegal.
 
[quote name='KingBroly']Do you mean illegals as kids in schools or your neighborhood? Because like I said if you're talking about the kids, the kids are most likely not illegal.[/QUOTE]

The illegals in the school. Yes, I know about the citizenship laws. I'm not particularly fond of it, but that's a whole other can of worms. :roll: Actually, we have quite a few illegal students. Many of the students ARE citizens with illegal parents because they were born here, but we still have a significant amount of children who were born in Mexico and then came here illegally. As I said, many of them would openly admit this to you.
 
Sorry Access, I was speaking more of schools in the country than of those in your town. You generalized when you said that the failing education was due to those gosh darn Mexicans, so I generalized in response.

Do you honestly think I'm stupid?
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Yes, I do. You take your little bit of the country and try to apply your observations to the entire nation. That's stupid.

As far as NCLB goes, no doubt, dumbass law. IMO, all schooling should be privatized, but I won't go into that.
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Couldn't agree more in regard to NCLB. Couldn't disagree more in regard to privatized school; poor kids deserve schooling too.


I will agree this has gone off-topic, but this all started due to your "agreeing" with Rush's idiocy (which seems to be more of just letting his idiocy slide), so to some extent, we're on topic.
 
His part of the country isn't that bad even.

Try living in Englewood. The School sucks there. And there arent any of these dirty mexicans there.
 
I really hate social darwinists. Take the idea of survival of the fittest and wrap yourself in it so you can sound smart when you tell someone you don't give a fuck about anyone less fortunate. It's survival of the fittest after all, herp derp. Never mind that altruism is completely natural and can even be observed in other animals.
 
[quote name='Clak']I really hate social darwinists. Take the idea of survival of the fittest and wrap yourself in it so you can sound smart when you tell someone you don't give a fuck about anyone less fortunate. It's survival of the fittest after all, herp derp. Never mind that altruism is completely natural and can even be observed in other animals.[/QUOTE]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uy9Kkd_T7Qk
 
[quote name='Clak']I really hate social darwinists. Take the idea of survival of the fittest and wrap yourself in it so you can sound smart when you tell someone you don't give a fuck about anyone less fortunate. It's survival of the fittest after all, herp derp. Never mind that altruism is completely natural and can even be observed in other animals.[/QUOTE]

I agree with you. I tell ya, you have almost won me over - except for that pesky "nobody will care for anyone else without government to intercede" stickler....
 
I never said everyone did, people can be just as easily selfish. People tend to care more about blood relatives than anyone else, could be lots of reasons. I've read that there is something genetically recognizable in relatives that may make us want to help them, while we might not others. There is both selfishness and altruism in the world, but to can the altruism and just fall back to baser feelings or actions isn't right.

You could say without the government we'd take care of our own, but then what of the people who have no family? Who do they turn to when they need help? Taking a relatively small amount of money from everyone to fund social programs that could potentially benefit everyone isn't wrong in my view. Even then it can indirectly benefit you in ways you probably wouldn't think of.
 
I never said anything about survival of the fittest.

For the record, I am not 100% against social programs. I would just prefer we first - amend the constitution to allow it and second - make them extremely simple, yet hard to abuse. I don't see any reason why a social program can't be governed by a 3-5 page founding document that makes it very clear who qualifies for it or not.

I think you would agree that the majority of people using the majority of social programs are abusing, or leaching, or using them as a crutch in some way.

In a nutshell, I don't disagree there are people in circumstances that you outlined that may genuinely need help. I have no problem paying into a system that helps those people get on their feet and become self sufficient. But we better worry about regulating those programs just as much as we worry about regulating everything in the private sector.

Less is nearly always a better answer than more.
 
I agree with you, thrust. There's no reason we can't take a deep breath and really get into how the money is being spent. There's no reason we can't give a person the same amount of aid but in a way that they can't buy drugs, alcohol, and cigarettes with it.
 
Eh, i tend to believe the majority aren't abusing them and it's a smaller minority that does. Don't get me wrong, I know people currently abusing the EBT program as I type this, but I don't think most people in that program are. As for the rest of it, as was just addressing what you said about no one caring without the government forcing them.
 
I'm with you, Clak. The majority of Americans just care about their family and, maybe, people that attend their church or work in the same company.

I used to think the majority didn't abuse the system but I think anyone that still has money to buy whiskey and cartons of cigarettes is abusing the system. They're not necessities but I bet a good portion of welfare recipients do both on a regular basis.
 
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