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Hello fellow cheap asses,

I am wondering if anyone has any good ideas to becoming rich. I am 23 and hate college and work. I am sure our great minds can think of something. Remember, if a million people give you a dollar you are a millionaire.

Lets get rich BIATCHES!
 
if I had a good idea, I would either already be a millionaire or I wouldn't share it. Remember, if a million people all go in on a million dollar idea all they end up with is a dollar.

BIATCHES!
 
you can be a bum on the street, there are people there that give you dollars.

if you dont have a criminal record, Hit one place and never show your face again.
 
[quote name='Michaellvortega']Lets find a cure for cancer first[/QUOTE]

If we did we would be killed before we were able to use it. The Doctors and our economy would suffer greatly if we had this.
 
Start up a physical location for games to Live like a town and Name it something cool and people will come to live there and be cheapasses to each other and the economy of the town will dive. All the while you talke the start up money and skip town.
 
[quote name='atreyue']Remember, if a million people all go in on a million dollar idea all they end up with is a dollar.

BIATCHES![/QUOTE]

Start a massive pyramid scheme?
 
[quote name='Michaellvortega']Start up a physical location for games to Live like a town and Name it something cool and people will come to live there and be cheapasses to each other and the economy of the town will dive. All the while you talke the start up money and skip town.[/QUOTE]

I will not steal from my fellow gaming community. Good idea though.
 
It's really easy to do but sadly the states don't allow you to run your own raffles, lottos or casinos. They make it illegal so the government is only allowed to profit unless you get a permit or something. I mean you could get a ton of people to pay you $1 for a shot at winning 1/2 of the total pot. The odds would be much better than winning the lottery.
 
[quote name='Dr Mario Kart']Start a massive pyramid scheme?[/QUOTE]

damn you people for making my post into a valid contribution!

The fastest way to make a lot of money is to write a book. It doesn't even have to be good. Just get it published then get it hyped. One bestseller guarantees that your next 10, no matter how crappy they are, will also be bestsellers, and then you're set for life.
 
[quote name='javeryh']Sadly, a million dollars isn't enough to retire on. Especially at 23.[/QUOTE]

I think a single, very frugal person, could live off the interest. Especially if it was a million after taxes. A million pre-tax would be a lot harder, but still possible.
 
[quote name='javeryh']It's really easy to do but sadly the states don't allow you to run your own raffles, lottos or casinos. They make it illegal so the government is only allowed to profit unless you get a permit or something. I mean you could get a ton of people to pay you $1 for a shot at winning 1/2 of the total pot. The odds would be much better than winning the lottery.[/QUOTE]

It's illegal to have a raffle?
 
[quote name='atreyue']damn you people for making my post into a valid contribution!

The fastest way to make a lot of money is to write a book. It doesn't even have to be good. Just get it published then get it hyped. One bestseller guarantees that your next 10, no matter how crappy they are, will also be bestsellers, and then you're set for life.[/QUOTE]

I can barely write seven pages for my classes at U of M and you expect me to write a book?!
 
[quote name='guessed']I think a single, very frugal person, could live off the interest. Especially if it was a million after taxes. A million pre-tax would be a lot harder, but still possible.[/QUOTE]

Oh, I'm sure it's possible and people (obviously) get by with much less but there probably wouldn't be anything left over for fun. So with no job and no disposable income what the hell are you going to do all day?
 
[quote name='javeryh']Oh, I'm sure it's possible and people (obviously) get by with much less but there probably wouldn't be anything left over for fun. So with no job and no disposable income what the hell are you going to do all day?[/QUOTE]

1 million in a mutual fund earning average interest of say 10% a year will give you 100k which is a pretty good income for a country boy like me.

something with lower interest and less risk would be a good supplement allowing you to work a low stress job.
 
Remember that it would be pretty easy to live beyond your means and go broke in no time (a la M.C. Hammer) if you don't watch how you spend your money. One million dollars won't last you a lifetime if you spend it recklessly.
 
[quote name='MaxBiaggi2']Remember that it would be pretty easy to live beyond your means and go broke in no time (a la M.C. Hammer) if you don't watch how you spend your money. One million dollars won't last you a lifetime if you spend it recklessly.[/QUOTE]

I would not be wreckless. I would invest and start a business called GAME GAME GAMURA! Let me know if anyone wants to hear about this business.
 
[quote name='the3rdkey']I can barely write seven pages for my classes at U of M and you expect me to write a book?![/QUOTE]

If you've read any bestsellers lately, you'd see that those authors can't string 7 good pages together either. Plus you can put pictures in it. One guy actually made a book that was just naked pictures of his ex-girlfriends with captions. I believe it was called "Naked Pictures of My Ex-Girlfriends".
 
[quote name='atreyue']If you've read any bestsellers lately, you'd see that those authors can't string 7 good pages together either. Plus you can put pictures in it. One guy actually made a book that was just naked pictures of his ex-girlfriends with captions. I believe it was called "Naked Pictures of My Ex-Girlfriends".[/QUOTE]

I am starting to think of a cool idea. You want to write with me?
 
[quote name='the3rdkey']Hello fellow cheap asses,

I am wondering if anyone has any good ideas to becoming rich. I am 23 and hate college and work. I am sure our great minds can think of something. Remember, if a million people give you a dollar you are a millionaire.

Lets get rich BIATCHES![/QUOTE]

Why don't you get a good job paying job, study up on the investing, and invest the money you make...

Nothing is free in life, you have to work for it.

Unless u are freakin lucky as hell and play the lottery and win it all! But just remember, ifyou keep playing you may never win and waste all your hard earned cash on lottery tickets!
 
It's not always about money. What's the purpose of money anyway? To get things that you want, right? What if you could get those things w/o using money? It can be done. It requires patience, perseverence, and the ability to delay your gratification. It's called benefits. Find out how to garner benefits in all aspects of your life. The main way to do this is to start a corporation. If you're just starting out, an LLC is the way to go. Once you get bigger, you can switch to a C-corporation. I don't recommend S-corps since you don't get as much of the tax benefits. What does an LLC allow you to do? Well, if you structure it correctly, you can use it to do whatever you do in your normal every day life like paying for groceries, having your company pay for lunch (as long as it's not extravagant), listing your dog as home security and using it as a deductible on your taxes, listing your cat as pest control, etc etc. Also if you are going to start a corporation, do so from the state of Nevada, there's a lot of privacy laws that prevent the public from knowing who corporation owners are (unless they acquire a Federal subpeona). Most of the major corporations are based in Nevada (even if they have their offices elsewhere) such as Microsoft and GE. There's another benefit to Nevada - no personal income tax so if you base your corporation there and assign yourself a salary, that's the salary you receive tax-free (although, you will still have to pay some form of income tax if you live in another state, I'm not sure of this part - ask your accountant). But don't be stupid and give yourself an obscene amount for your salary. If you're smart, you'll give yourself the smallest amount of salary since you don't need that much $$$ since you're already getting the benefits from your company. I would give myself a yearly salary of $2000 since I already get the benefits from my company. Having said all this, you STILL need to have a valid function for your company. I suggest real estate. It's very difficult for a home owner to get a loan but the same is not true of a business. Banks look at businesses more favorably than a person since its primary goal is to make money, not just live. Real estate investment is probably the best job for a lazy man. In the beginning, you work many hours (sometimes 60+ hrs per week) but once you've established yourself, it gets easier. Later on, you'll be able to work maybe 4-10 hrs per week. If you were smart enough, you could've started your first million at age 16 and used that money to start your company and start investing in real estate. Even if you weren't, starting a little later doesn't affect you too much as long as you start SOON. The longer you wait, the more time it takes to catch up.
 
[quote name='jaykrue']It's not always about money. What's the purpose of money anyway? To get things that you want, right? What if you could get those things w/o using money? It can be done. It requires patience, perseverence, and the ability to delay your gratification. It's called benefits. Find out how to garner benefits in all aspects of your life. The main way to do this is to start a corporation. If you're just starting out, an LLC is the way to go. Once you get bigger, you can switch to a C-corporation. I don't recommend S-corps since you don't get as much of the tax benefits. What does an LLC allow you to do? Well, if you structure it correctly, you can use it to do whatever you do in your normal every day life like paying for groceries, having your company pay for lunch (as long as it's not extravagant), listing your dog as home security and using it as a deductible on your taxes, listing your cat as pest control, etc etc. Also if you are going to start a corporation, do so from the state of Nevada, there's a lot of privacy laws that prevent the public from knowing who corporation owners are (unless they acquire a Federal subpeona). Most of the major corporations are based in Nevada (even if they have their offices elsewhere) such as Microsoft and GE. There's another benefit to Nevada - no personal income tax so if you base your corporation there and assign yourself a salary, that's the salary you receive tax-free (although, you will still have to pay some form of income tax if you live in another state, I'm not sure of this part - ask your accountant). But don't be stupid and give yourself an obscene amount for your salary. If you're smart, you'll give yourself the smallest amount of salary since you don't need that much $$$ since you're already getting the benefits from your company. I would give myself a yearly salary of $2000 since I already get the benefits from my company. Having said all this, you STILL need to have a valid function for your company. I suggest real estate. It's very difficult for a home owner to get a loan but the same is not true of a business. Banks look at businesses more favorably than a person since its primary goal is to make money, not just live. Real estate investment is probably the best job for a lazy man. In the beginning, you work many hours (sometimes 60+ hrs per week) but once you've established yourself, it gets easier. Later on, you'll be able to work maybe 4-10 hrs per week. If you were smart enough, you could've started your first million at age 16 and used that money to start your company and start investing in real estate. Even if you weren't, starting a little later doesn't affect you too much as long as you start SOON. The longer you wait, the more time it takes to catch up.
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The money has to come from somewhere. How do you plan on paying yourself this salary?
 
I mean, I guess you could sucker a bank to loan you the money for your business but you need to have a viable plan in place. Banks are into sure things, not high risk ventures. If you default on your loan obligations, what's in it for the bank? To do what you propose you would need to find a private investor willing to finance your company initially in exchange for a majority ownership in your company. This is not easy to come by and you better have a good idea other than buying and selling real estate in order to spark someone's interest...
 
[quote name='javeryh']I mean, I guess you could sucker a bank to loan you the money for your business but you need to have a viable plan in place. Banks are into sure things, not high risk ventures. If you default on your loan obligations, what's in it for the bank? To do what you propose you would need to find a private investor willing to finance your company initially in exchange for a majority ownership in your company. This is not easy to come by and you better have a good idea other than buying and selling real estate in order to spark someone's interest...[/QUOTE]

It's not a sucker plan. You honestly have to have a sound business plan to present to a bank outlining your plan. I agree it has to be viable. While true that banks are into sure things, it is not difficult to start a company up. If one bank doesn't approve your loan, there's a simple solution - go to another one. It took me 6 banks before I got approval but now I do business with them exclusively. Now the other 5 banks are kicking and biting each other to lick my shoes. As I said before, it requires a lot of patience and perseverence. And you must be honest about your intentions. None of what I have said is done with the intent to be malicious or deceive. Real estate is generally not a high risk venture since it takes years for property values to differentiate significantly in the market (barring natural disasters such as earthquakes or floods). That said, it also takes years for a property to gain value but I generally buy and plan to hold for at least 15-20 years (depending on whether the property loan is paid or not) And, as I said before, obtaining a loan for a small apartment complex is easier if you present yourself as a real estate investor as opposed to a homeowner. The fact that you will live at the apartment complex for a time (usually 18 months) to establish residence and ownership is a small detail. Most young people won't be able to afford a home straight off the bat anyway unless they're lucky and get a 6 figure income. So why not own the complex you want to live at while building your equity towards the eventual home you DO want? While living at the apartment, you collect rent and apply it towards improvements, maintanence, and fees (such as taxes, insurance, and town utilities such as recycling). At the same time, you gain equity since that was the purpose of the loan in the first place. After about 2 years you SHOULD have paid off at least a 1/3 of the principal on time or ahead of schedule. You should've been searching for other properties at this time. Once you find a property which will be profitable (after doing your due diligence in research), you can use the equity in your apartment complex to apply it to the down payment towards the 2nd property. You then repeat this process. It's not hard. I'm already on 2 properties. I'm 28 and I'm on schedule. I'll probably retire about 35 or 38. I'll probably have a net worth close to or over $1 million. My own personal salary right now is probably less than the average starting salary for an office drone but come tax time, my company will effectively retain more $$$ than my own personal income. I don't aspire to be as big as Billy Gates but I won't be lacking for anything that's for sure. As it stands, I don't do anything extraneous and unnecessary as I've done my stupid shit in college. I don't live a life of excess but I can get most of everything I want on hand. Yes there are times in which i don't have $$$ but it's only because I apply it towards my properties which will increase in value and increase my equity as well. My own company pays for all the things I necessarily need (such as computer supplies, toiletries, pens, pencils, etc.) as long as it is justified by the budget set forth by my accountant and I as well as following legal procedure to make sure it is all and legal as set forth by my lawyer.

I am still boggled by the fact that people are still working hard when it's better to work smart. Investing right and doing due diligence is the only way to truly get any sort of financial independence. If a doctor who is making a $300,000 salary sudden is sick and out of work for a year and doesn't have any investments to work to make $$$ passively while not working he is just as in much dire financial trouble as the poor man being hassled by creditors. He'll still have to pay off that big mansion he bought as well the 3 or so fancy cars he has as well as pay for his kids' tuition if he sent them to private schools. And not to mention dealing with high insurance rates for all of his things (house, car, life, etc.). If a person has something that generates passive income for him, he is better since it doesn't matter if he is sick or not - money will be made regardless of his health or an outstanding emergency.
 
[quote name='javeryh']Sadly, a million dollars isn't enough to retire on. Especially at 23.[/QUOTE]
Bull Shit it is enough to retire. If you can live off of 20k a year you will make money. The rule of seven.
In ten years you can give your self a raise to 30k and still make money. The key is not to blow your wad on cheap hookers, overpriced electronics and blow.
You could give yourself a better salary but it is better to spend to little then too much.
 
I'm in the research and planning phase of starting my own company. I have two partners, a definitive business plan, and am applying for approx. $500,000 in federal grants. Hopefully we'll get approved and then arrange investors and business loans on top of that. We're shooting to have 1.4mil in funding hopefully.

It's not going to be quick, it's not going to be easy, but it's going to be fun.

The goal is to provide a steady small income for about ten years and then cash out and retire at 35 years old.
 
[quote name='spoo']Bull Shit it is enough to retire. If you can live off of 20k a year you will make money. The rule of seven.
In ten years you can give your self a raise to 30k and still make money. The key is not to blow your wad on cheap hookers, overpriced electronics and blow.
You could give yourself a better salary but it is better to spend to little then too much.[/QUOTE]

Not only that. With a higher salary comes more taxes. "Mo' money - mo' problems" as Biggie would say. The key to diffusing this is to have a low direct income and having a high passive income such as investments. Plus the benefits you receive from owning a company vs. working for one are infinitely better. I personally laugh at my friends who brag to me about having 6 figure incomes (and I have a few who do) since they're doing it but they don't retain most of their earnings due to frivolous spending as well being in a higher tax bracket. Then they bitch about how the government is taking their money when, if they did it correctly, the government will give you money - you just have to do it right.
 
[quote name='fanskad']I'm in the research and planning phase of starting my own company. I have two partners, a definitive business plan, and am applying for approx. $500,000 in federal grants. Hopefully we'll get approved and then arrange investors and business loans on top of that. We're shooting to have 1.4mil in funding hopefully.

It's not going to be quick, it's not going to be easy, but it's going to be fun.

The goal is to provide a steady small income for about ten years and then cash out and retire at 35 years old.[/QUOTE]

You, sir, are on the right track. Kudos to you and I wish you good luck in your endeavors.
 
you can invent a gaming console that offers online on-deman game distribution. The costs of this venture is putting up a website, and then running away with investor money.

This procedure has been verified, it works!
 
3rd key, you definetly need to change your avy, youre no commie.

and to answer your question, no, i dont want to never work again. id like to never have to work again, so my focus could be more on what i do and less on how much im making doing it, but if i won $50,000,000 this friday, id be in class on monday.
 
[quote name='javeryh']Sadly, a million dollars isn't enough to retire on. Especially at 23.[/QUOTE]

At least not in NYC. :lol:

[quote name='punqsux']... if i won $50,000,000 this friday, id be in class on monday.[/QUOTE]

Shit, if I won $500,000 this Friday I'd never go to class again. :lol:
 
[quote name='sblymnlcrymnl']Shit, if I won $500,000 this Friday I'd never go to class again. :lol:[/QUOTE]

:rofl:

this friday when i win, remind me to give you that much, it should come out to around $800 after paypal fees
 
[quote name='punqsux']:rofl:

this friday when i win, remind me to give you that much, it should come out to around $800 after paypal fees[/QUOTE]

:rofl: Sweet. :cool:
 
[quote name='jaykrue']It's not a sucker plan. You honestly have to have a sound business plan to present to a bank outlining your plan. I agree it has to be viable. While true that banks are into sure things, it is not difficult to start a company up. If one bank doesn't approve your loan, there's a simple solution - go to another one. It took me 6 banks before I got approval but now I do business with them exclusively. Now the other 5 banks are kicking and biting each other to lick my shoes. As I said before, it requires a lot of patience and perseverence. And you must be honest about your intentions. None of what I have said is done with the intent to be malicious or deceive. Real estate is generally not a high risk venture since it takes years for property values to differentiate significantly in the market (barring natural disasters such as earthquakes or floods). That said, it also takes years for a property to gain value but I generally buy and plan to hold for at least 15-20 years (depending on whether the property loan is paid or not) And, as I said before, obtaining a loan for a small apartment complex is easier if you present yourself as a real estate investor as opposed to a homeowner. The fact that you will live at the apartment complex for a time (usually 18 months) to establish residence and ownership is a small detail. Most young people won't be able to afford a home straight off the bat anyway unless they're lucky and get a 6 figure income. So why not own the complex you want to live at while building your equity towards the eventual home you DO want? While living at the apartment, you collect rent and apply it towards improvements, maintanence, and fees (such as taxes, insurance, and town utilities such as recycling). At the same time, you gain equity since that was the purpose of the loan in the first place. After about 2 years you SHOULD have paid off at least a 1/3 of the principal on time or ahead of schedule. You should've been searching for other properties at this time. Once you find a property which will be profitable (after doing your due diligence in research), you can use the equity in your apartment complex to apply it to the down payment towards the 2nd property. You then repeat this process. It's not hard. I'm already on 2 properties. I'm 28 and I'm on schedule. I'll probably retire about 35 or 38. I'll probably have a net worth close to or over $1 million. My own personal salary right now is probably less than the average starting salary for an office drone but come tax time, my company will effectively retain more $$$ than my own personal income. I don't aspire to be as big as Billy Gates but I won't be lacking for anything that's for sure. As it stands, I don't do anything extraneous and unnecessary as I've done my stupid shit in college. I don't live a life of excess but I can get most of everything I want on hand. Yes there are times in which i don't have $$$ but it's only because I apply it towards my properties which will increase in value and increase my equity as well. My own company pays for all the things I necessarily need (such as computer supplies, toiletries, pens, pencils, etc.) as long as it is justified by the budget set forth by my accountant and I as well as following legal procedure to make sure it is all and legal as set forth by my lawyer.

I am still boggled by the fact that people are still working hard when it's better to work smart. Investing right and doing due diligence is the only way to truly get any sort of financial independence. If a doctor who is making a $300,000 salary sudden is sick and out of work for a year and doesn't have any investments to work to make $$$ passively while not working he is just as in much dire financial trouble as the poor man being hassled by creditors. He'll still have to pay off that big mansion he bought as well the 3 or so fancy cars he has as well as pay for his kids' tuition if he sent them to private schools. And not to mention dealing with high insurance rates for all of his things (house, car, life, etc.). If a person has something that generates passive income for him, he is better since it doesn't matter if he is sick or not - money will be made regardless of his health or an outstanding emergency.[/QUOTE]

Great post. I am in the beginning stages of doing something similar. When I retire I want to be able to live at the beach in the summers. My wife and I are in the process of shopping around for a beach house that we will rent out for the next 10 years or so (on a weekly basis) and eventually call it home for 3 months out of the year once the renters pay off the mortgage - or sell it and buy another house we want on the beach. We aren't exactly sure how to accomplish this goal yet but we think buying an "up and coming" place (like Asbury Park, for example) might give us the biggest benefit over time. The cost of housing is way down right now and hopefully will see a big jump over the next 10 years as more businesses move into the area and the town in general starts to improve...
 
I don't mind working. I hate working for stupid ass people. If I ever was rich I'd have to have something to do besides have fun all the time.
 
Well if you want to get rich quick why not go into the industry that has a massive following... Start producing pr0n. I'll guarantee that it'll sell, plus if you fail you'd at least have fun doing it. :booty:
 
my neighbors uncle is like super rich

he lives in Shaq and Tiger woods' neighborhood and he plays golf with tiger woods alot.

he basically worked for a steel mill and it went out of business. Then him and 4 others spent $60 million buying the steel mill and setting it back up. They then sold stock on the internet for 5 times what they bought it for. And he eventually sold his share and made a crapload of money.

michael jackson offered him $80 million for his house a while back and he turned it down.
 
[quote name='Cracka']my neighbors uncle is like super rich

he lives in Shaq and Tiger woods' neighborhood and he plays golf with tiger woods alot.

he basically worked for a steel mill and it went out of business. Then him and 4 others spent $60 million buying the steel mill and setting it back up. They then sold stock on the internet for 5 times what they bought it for. And he eventually sold his share and made a crapload of money.

michael jackson offered him $80 million for his house a while back and he turned it down.[/QUOTE]

yeah i have heard of him...
 
[quote name='javeryh']Great post. I am in the beginning stages of doing something similar. When I retire I want to be able to live at the beach in the summers. My wife and I are in the process of shopping around for a beach house that we will rent out for the next 10 years or so (on a weekly basis) and eventually call it home for 3 months out of the year once the renters pay off the mortgage - or sell it and buy another house we want on the beach. We aren't exactly sure how to accomplish this goal yet but we think buying an "up and coming" place (like Asbury Park, for example) might give us the biggest benefit over time. The cost of housing is way down right now and hopefully will see a big jump over the next 10 years as more businesses move into the area and the town in general starts to improve...[/QUOTE]

Great plan but you should try to keep the property for the most part since you can use it as collateral for any other future purchases like more real estate. Your equity will also be helpful in determining how much of a loan you would be able to use for the next property. Say the initial down payment of the 2nd property you are looking is $20K (20% of $200000), you should plan on having at least 1 and one half of that amount ($20K + [$20K/2] = $30K) to cover any unforeseen problems and/or fees such as closing costs, initial remodeling, property taxes, etc. You and your wife should form a corporation (an LLC or limited liability corp is recommended) to do that since you'll receive some tax benefits as well. Real estate is unique in that you get breaks in what you would normally be doing anyway. Also, using a corporation allows you a legal buffer in that in case something bad happens to your tenants and/or property and a lawsuit is being threatened, only the company's assets will be held accountable instead of your own personal property.
 
[quote name='GuilewasNK']I don't mind working. I hate working for stupid ass people. If I ever was rich I'd have to have something to do besides have fun all the time.[/QUOTE]

I still suggest having your own business and geared towards real estate since you can be the boss (and since you hate working for stupid ass people) and determine who you work with and real estate is a business that will make money for you regardless of you working or not. What happens if you get injured in a regular type job? Well, your company (if you don't own it) will only pay you so much before considering finding a replacement if you don't return anytime soon. Plus if you're disabled from that injury on a more permanent basis, disability isn't exactly a high paying income either. Plus real estate is a generally slow market in that property values don't fluctuate as quickly as the stock market (where it can happen in a matter of minutes vs. years).
 
[quote name='jaykrue']I still suggest having your own business and geared towards real estate since you can be the boss (and since you hate working for stupid ass people) and determine who you work with and real estate is a business that will make money for you regardless of you working or not. What happens if you get injured in a regular type job? Well, your company (if you don't own it) will only pay you so much before considering finding a replacement if you don't return anytime soon. Plus if you're disabled from that injury on a more permanent basis, disability isn't exactly a high paying income either. Plus real estate is a generally slow market in that property values don't fluctuate as quickly as the stock market (where it can happen in a matter of minutes vs. years).[/QUOTE]

Real estate is where it is at for sure. My cousin in Maryland just hit the $1 million mark last year.
 
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