I would definitely agree that flash is purposely not there and don't expect to ever see it. This device is about using media and Apple getting you to pay for it through their own store and flash would cut deeply into that. I think multi tasking is something we could see if theres enough criticism about it, given jailbroken iphones can do it, but I def. think there are battery performance reasons behind it. I am more baffled in the lack of a front facing camera for skype/ichat.
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[quote name='RAMSTORIA']but youll have to buy an "iStand" because the damn thing doesnt stand up on its own.[/QUOTE]
Apple has a keyboard dock for it (keyboard with a place to stick the tablet so it stands up) for $69.99.
Also, the Apple case for it has a kick stand--and everyone will want a case to protect the screen when sticking it in a briefcase or backpack anyway. Case should be included but that's just the way it goes with gadgets these days. The Kindle 1 came with a case, but with the Kindle 2 you have to buy the $30 case separately. Few cellphones or smart phones come with cases etc.
Apple has a keyboard dock for it (keyboard with a place to stick the tablet so it stands up) for $69.99.
Also, the Apple case for it has a kick stand--and everyone will want a case to protect the screen when sticking it in a briefcase or backpack anyway. Case should be included but that's just the way it goes with gadgets these days. The Kindle 1 came with a case, but with the Kindle 2 you have to buy the $30 case separately. Few cellphones or smart phones come with cases etc.
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[quote name='manthing']So I guess having a screen less than 3x bigger screen-wise is worth more than double the price?
And let's not forget that the iPad is nowhere revolutionary.[/QUOTE]
OK, so those naysayers are forgetting something. It's NOT revolutionary. The iPhone was not revolutionary. It's design, connectivity, and application store, music store integration were what made it the BOMB. AND...they made it surprisingly easy to use.
There were already smartphones out there, just like there are already tablets out there that will do similar things.
It's the PACKAGING of services that makes this a winning device.
Sure, it may be just a bigger iPod touch, but the Wii was just a GameCube tacked on with motion sensors and look what an impact IT had on the gaming community.
Just my $0.02.
And let's not forget that the iPad is nowhere revolutionary.[/QUOTE]
OK, so those naysayers are forgetting something. It's NOT revolutionary. The iPhone was not revolutionary. It's design, connectivity, and application store, music store integration were what made it the BOMB. AND...they made it surprisingly easy to use.
There were already smartphones out there, just like there are already tablets out there that will do similar things.
It's the PACKAGING of services that makes this a winning device.
Sure, it may be just a bigger iPod touch, but the Wii was just a GameCube tacked on with motion sensors and look what an impact IT had on the gaming community.
Just my $0.02.
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[quote name='seanr1221']Yeah, the case is a must to protect it. Using it as an external display, how would you run a power point?[/QUOTE]
There's an iPad to VGA dongle for $30.
http://www.ilounge.com/index.php/reviews/entry/apple-ipad-dock-connector-to-vga-adapter/
There's an iPad to VGA dongle for $30.
http://www.ilounge.com/index.php/reviews/entry/apple-ipad-dock-connector-to-vga-adapter/
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Its a nice looking device I definitely want to have a play with it, but highly doubt i'll pick one up. Already got an iPhone and MacBook.
It's gonna be a success if only because people don't understand value. Apple purposely gimps their creations because they know everyone be all "ooo touchscreen pdf" and poop themselves and then their later revisions can have everything that should have been in there.
[quote name='digitalcowboy']OK, so those naysayers are forgetting something. It's NOT revolutionary. The iPhone was not revolutionary. It's design, connectivity, and application store, music store integration were what made it the BOMB. AND...they made it surprisingly easy to use.
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I disagree. The iPhone UI, when it came out, was beyond anything else in the field. Android is currently the closest to that UI experience, and after a year and a half they're still lacking the polish and elegance that the iPhone had at release. The iPhone at release was just about as put-together as you would want any product to be given what else was going on in the field (and this is coming from someone with a history with Apple and their tendency to use first gen adopters as their only QC).
If you don't class it as a revolutionary product, fine, I understand "revolution" is perhaps too cliche. Let's just say that it took Apple from having no presence in the handheld market to being the dominant player in less than two years, and furthermore it completely changed the smartphone for Apple's competitors to the extent that they are STILL catching up to the iPhone. We don't have to call that revolutionary. We can call it a paradigm shift or sea change or some other catchy term.
Back to the iPad...
The SDK supposedly reveals camera support -- that's just a hint at lots more to come. However, I agree that Flash is not going to happen, ever. And while there's a VERY small chance for multitasking, I doubt it will happen as Apple will avoid taxing that processor. They want things to continue to "scream" on the iPad.
There's definitely something to the tablet device and possibly to future generations of the iPad. Early adoption on this one, though, is clearly a sign of blind fanaticism. There's no reason to jump in right now.
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I disagree. The iPhone UI, when it came out, was beyond anything else in the field. Android is currently the closest to that UI experience, and after a year and a half they're still lacking the polish and elegance that the iPhone had at release. The iPhone at release was just about as put-together as you would want any product to be given what else was going on in the field (and this is coming from someone with a history with Apple and their tendency to use first gen adopters as their only QC).
If you don't class it as a revolutionary product, fine, I understand "revolution" is perhaps too cliche. Let's just say that it took Apple from having no presence in the handheld market to being the dominant player in less than two years, and furthermore it completely changed the smartphone for Apple's competitors to the extent that they are STILL catching up to the iPhone. We don't have to call that revolutionary. We can call it a paradigm shift or sea change or some other catchy term.
Back to the iPad...
The SDK supposedly reveals camera support -- that's just a hint at lots more to come. However, I agree that Flash is not going to happen, ever. And while there's a VERY small chance for multitasking, I doubt it will happen as Apple will avoid taxing that processor. They want things to continue to "scream" on the iPad.
There's definitely something to the tablet device and possibly to future generations of the iPad. Early adoption on this one, though, is clearly a sign of blind fanaticism. There's no reason to jump in right now.
Clearly, there are some people who had their expectations of the iPad - trounced - the name not withstanding 
. But, people will complain, comment and/or question, Apple's decision as to the inclusion/exclusion of certain apparent key features.
Camera:
Apple really missed out on this one, maybe it has something to do with the processor chip but hey... the iPod Touch doesnt have a camera, and I dont see many people complain about that omission or throw themselves out of buildings because of it. Nonetheless, my only real complaint...I could have really used an ipad for videoconferencing.
Adobe Flash:
This was another omission by Apple, but you really were expecting this one weren't you. I could say, that either you had a plug-in that doesn't provide the same robustness as lets say... Javascript. That crashes ever so often. That drains batteries. That slows down web browsing to a crawl.
Or you can have, a fast, slick browser, and video player that runs for a very long time (10+ hours) on batteries after a single charge on a nice screen something current macbooks don't even have.
Now I'm left wondering ... Or is it that you really need to experience the iPad with Xtube or YouPorn... Well, there are pads for that... and much cheaper, by a factor of 100. 
Multitasking:
Even though the iPs (iphones/ipod touch) can't really multitask (like having 3d application rendering a multipoligon scene at the same time that you are running some video editing software), if you think about it, they do multitask co-operatively, and iPad will multitask as well. You will be able to read e-books while listening to music. And you'll be able to copy and paste between applications. Look closely at Phil Schiller's demostration of iWork if you need more proof. I've been using my iphone for 2+ years and I cannot complain.
Screen:
I cant believe what some people have said about getting a bigger screen. They say "...its just a bigger iPhone/iPod touch..." or "...I prefer using my ipod Touch instead of that big bulky thing". I say - C'mon... really?! - you are missing the point behind getting an iPad! A bigger screen means MORE screen real estate where you can do MORE things that cannot be done in your tiny iPs display. A bigger screen means MORE capacity to develop apps/games that take advantage of a larger display with its multitouch, accelerometer, compass, gps, microphone, etc, that it does have. And adding its portability and bigger screen make it an alluring option to your tiny iPs. And why arent there more apps that take advantage of such a bigger screen? Gee, I guess it must be because its a new product. Nevertheless they did show the iPs apps running on the iPad and they provided us with an SDK to develop great looking iPad apps when they do come out. Common people!
I do complain about it, but applaud its other capabilities.
Is it revolutionary?
It is revolutionary, in the sense that they took the iPhone/iPod Touch (already good devices on their own...but not perfect) and made them better through a bigger multitouch screen...something some of us might need. Lets not forget Apple holds the patent on most of multitouch.
It is revolutionary because they added, according to what they saw in their marketing research, what they thought we really might need to fill that niche they showed in between their mobile devices. And they did so without adding a keyboard or a mouse, they just kept it as simple as possible. They added the screen as its own input/output interface which can change as anyone sees fit.
. But, people will complain, comment and/or question, Apple's decision as to the inclusion/exclusion of certain apparent key features.Camera:
Apple really missed out on this one, maybe it has something to do with the processor chip but hey... the iPod Touch doesnt have a camera, and I dont see many people complain about that omission or throw themselves out of buildings because of it. Nonetheless, my only real complaint...I could have really used an ipad for videoconferencing.
Adobe Flash:
This was another omission by Apple, but you really were expecting this one weren't you. I could say, that either you had a plug-in that doesn't provide the same robustness as lets say... Javascript. That crashes ever so often. That drains batteries. That slows down web browsing to a crawl.
Or you can have, a fast, slick browser, and video player that runs for a very long time (10+ hours) on batteries after a single charge on a nice screen something current macbooks don't even have.
Now I'm left wondering ... Or is it that you really need to experience the iPad with Xtube or YouPorn... Well, there are pads for that...
and much cheaper, by a factor of 100. Multitasking:
Even though the iPs (iphones/ipod touch) can't really multitask (like having 3d application rendering a multipoligon scene at the same time that you are running some video editing software), if you think about it, they do multitask co-operatively, and iPad will multitask as well. You will be able to read e-books while listening to music. And you'll be able to copy and paste between applications. Look closely at Phil Schiller's demostration of iWork if you need more proof. I've been using my iphone for 2+ years and I cannot complain.
Screen:
I cant believe what some people have said about getting a bigger screen. They say "...its just a bigger iPhone/iPod touch..." or "...I prefer using my ipod Touch instead of that big bulky thing". I say - C'mon... really?! - you are missing the point behind getting an iPad! A bigger screen means MORE screen real estate where you can do MORE things that cannot be done in your tiny iPs display. A bigger screen means MORE capacity to develop apps/games that take advantage of a larger display with its multitouch, accelerometer, compass, gps, microphone, etc, that it does have. And adding its portability and bigger screen make it an alluring option to your tiny iPs. And why arent there more apps that take advantage of such a bigger screen? Gee, I guess it must be because its a new product. Nevertheless they did show the iPs apps running on the iPad and they provided us with an SDK to develop great looking iPad apps when they do come out. Common people!
I do complain about it, but applaud its other capabilities.
Is it revolutionary?
It is revolutionary, in the sense that they took the iPhone/iPod Touch (already good devices on their own...but not perfect) and made them better through a bigger multitouch screen...something some of us might need. Lets not forget Apple holds the patent on most of multitouch.
It is revolutionary because they added, according to what they saw in their marketing research, what they thought we really might need to fill that niche they showed in between their mobile devices. And they did so without adding a keyboard or a mouse, they just kept it as simple as possible. They added the screen as its own input/output interface which can change as anyone sees fit.
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So how are they gonna deal with firmware updates? Right now the iPhone firmware updates are free because we pay monthly for phone usage and the touch costs money (its a tax thing/issue for Apple or something like that). Are the 3G enabled iPads going to be getting free firmware updates while the non-3G iPad users have to pay?
[quote name='Gar-D']Adobe Flash:
This was another omission by Apple, but you really were expecting this one weren't you. I could say, that either you had a plug-in that doesn't provide the same robustness as lets say... Javascript. That crashes ever so often. That drains batteries. That slows down web browsing to a crawl.
Or you can have, a fast, slick browser, and video player that runs for a very long time (10+ hours) on batteries after a single charge on a nice screen something current macbooks don't even have. [/quote]My Palm Pre will be able to run Flash in February. It is much less powerful that the Ipad (don't get me started on how
in' stupid that name is).
Apple has no excuse for omitting Flash in this day and age, where it's all over the internet.
[quote name='Gar-D']Multitasking:
Even though the iPs (iphones/ipod touch) can't really multitask (like having 3d application rendering a multipoligon scene at the same time that you are running some video editing software), if you think about it, they do multitask co-operatively, and iPad will multitask as well. You will be able to read e-books while listening to music. And you'll be able to copy and paste between applications. Look closely at Phil Schiller's demostration of iWork if you need more proof. I've been using my iphone for 2+ years and I cannot complain.[/quote]When people talk about multitasking, they mean running more than one application at once. It sounds to me like your twisting yourself through your own asshole to make yourself think that the Ipad/Iphone/Itouch can truly multitask.
[quote name='Gar-D']Lets not forget Apple holds the patent on most of multitouch.
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You're absolutely retarded if you think Apple will ever use that patent. It would NEVER hold up in court, since it's such an obvious idea to extrapolate a single touch screen to a multitouch one.
This was another omission by Apple, but you really were expecting this one weren't you. I could say, that either you had a plug-in that doesn't provide the same robustness as lets say... Javascript. That crashes ever so often. That drains batteries. That slows down web browsing to a crawl.
Or you can have, a fast, slick browser, and video player that runs for a very long time (10+ hours) on batteries after a single charge on a nice screen something current macbooks don't even have. [/quote]My Palm Pre will be able to run Flash in February. It is much less powerful that the Ipad (don't get me started on how
in' stupid that name is).Apple has no excuse for omitting Flash in this day and age, where it's all over the internet.
[quote name='Gar-D']Multitasking:
Even though the iPs (iphones/ipod touch) can't really multitask (like having 3d application rendering a multipoligon scene at the same time that you are running some video editing software), if you think about it, they do multitask co-operatively, and iPad will multitask as well. You will be able to read e-books while listening to music. And you'll be able to copy and paste between applications. Look closely at Phil Schiller's demostration of iWork if you need more proof. I've been using my iphone for 2+ years and I cannot complain.
[/quote]When people talk about multitasking, they mean running more than one application at once. It sounds to me like your twisting yourself through your own asshole to make yourself think that the Ipad/Iphone/Itouch can truly multitask.[quote name='Gar-D']Lets not forget Apple holds the patent on most of multitouch.
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You're absolutely retarded if you think Apple will ever use that patent. It would NEVER hold up in court, since it's such an obvious idea to extrapolate a single touch screen to a multitouch one.
[quote name='digitalcowboy']OK, so those naysayers are forgetting something. It's NOT revolutionary. The iPhone was not revolutionary. It's design, connectivity, and application store, music store integration were what made it the BOMB. AND...they made it surprisingly easy to use.
There were already smartphones out there, just like there are already tablets out there that will do similar things.
It's the PACKAGING of services that makes this a winning device.
Sure, it may be just a bigger iPod touch, but the Wii was just a GameCube tacked on with motion sensors and look what an impact IT had on the gaming community.
Just my $0.02.[/QUOTE]
The iPhone WAS revolutionary when it came out. Did you ever use Mobile IE or the BB browsers? Even installing a semi-useable browser like mini Opera pales in comparison to Mobile Safari.
When the Apps store was established in 2008, the iPhone's dominance was cemented.
There is still no real competition to the iPhone's ecosystem.
[quote name='Malik112099']So how are they gonna deal with firmware updates? Right now the iPhone firmware updates are free because we pay monthly for phone usage and the touch costs money (its a tax thing/issue for Apple or something like that). Are the 3G enabled iPads going to be getting free firmware updates while the non-3G iPad users have to pay?[/QUOTE]
You do know that Apple has changed their accounting to recognize iPhone revenue upfront? Similar to their accounting for the iPod Touch.
What that means for iPhone firmware has yet to be seen.
There were already smartphones out there, just like there are already tablets out there that will do similar things.
It's the PACKAGING of services that makes this a winning device.
Sure, it may be just a bigger iPod touch, but the Wii was just a GameCube tacked on with motion sensors and look what an impact IT had on the gaming community.
Just my $0.02.[/QUOTE]
The iPhone WAS revolutionary when it came out. Did you ever use Mobile IE or the BB browsers? Even installing a semi-useable browser like mini Opera pales in comparison to Mobile Safari.
When the Apps store was established in 2008, the iPhone's dominance was cemented.
There is still no real competition to the iPhone's ecosystem.
[quote name='Malik112099']So how are they gonna deal with firmware updates? Right now the iPhone firmware updates are free because we pay monthly for phone usage and the touch costs money (its a tax thing/issue for Apple or something like that). Are the 3G enabled iPads going to be getting free firmware updates while the non-3G iPad users have to pay?[/QUOTE]
You do know that Apple has changed their accounting to recognize iPhone revenue upfront? Similar to their accounting for the iPod Touch.
What that means for iPhone firmware has yet to be seen.
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Maybe you aren't aware, but Apple and the iPhone do not "dominate" the smartphone market.
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[quote name='manthing']You do know that Apple has changed their accounting to recognize iPhone revenue upfront? Similar to their accounting for the iPod Touch.
What that means for iPhone firmware has yet to be seen.[/QUOTE]
It isn't apple's decision to make. The new rule about it has to be approved by the FASB...
http://www.tuaw.com/2009/09/15/ipod-touch-fee-could-go-bye-bye/
What that means for iPhone firmware has yet to be seen.[/QUOTE]
It isn't apple's decision to make. The new rule about it has to be approved by the FASB...
http://www.tuaw.com/2009/09/15/ipod-touch-fee-could-go-bye-bye/
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BOOM!
http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/28/apple-and-fujitsu-inevitably-caught-up-in-ipad-trademark-dispute/
Seems those that dislike the name may be in luck.
http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/28/apple-and-fujitsu-inevitably-caught-up-in-ipad-trademark-dispute/
Seems those that dislike the name may be in luck.
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[quote name='Tony208']Does anyone else get the feeling that anyone who has one of those will be looked at like a huge ing geek/nerd?[/QUOTE]
No, they'll look like a hipster $$$$$$ just like anyone with Apple products.
ing geek/nerd?[/QUOTE]No, they'll look like a hipster $$$$$$ just like anyone with Apple products.
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[quote name='crystalklear64']No, they'll look like a hipster $$$$$$ just like anyone with Apple products.[/QUOTE]
...Who hang out at Starbucks with their overpriced coffee and macbook.
...Who hang out at Starbucks with their overpriced coffee and macbook.
[quote name='Liquid 2']Apple has no excuse for omitting Flash in this day and age, where it's all over the internet.
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It sucks, but I can see why they do it. Flash apps on the web would make many apps in the app store useless. Many iphone apps, games etc. are things you can find flash versions of online.
So they don't support it so people have to pay for the apps and Apple gets their cut from the App sell.
It's enough to keep me from buying since it rules out using Hulu and some other video sites which would be a big use of a Tablet for me.
Hopefully they change their minds on Flash in a future firmware or model. Or a more functional tablet in this size, price, battery life range comes out from another company. The latter is more likely I'd say.
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It sucks, but I can see why they do it. Flash apps on the web would make many apps in the app store useless. Many iphone apps, games etc. are things you can find flash versions of online.
So they don't support it so people have to pay for the apps and Apple gets their cut from the App sell.
It's enough to keep me from buying since it rules out using Hulu and some other video sites which would be a big use of a Tablet for me.
Hopefully they change their minds on Flash in a future firmware or model. Or a more functional tablet in this size, price, battery life range comes out from another company. The latter is more likely I'd say.
Even if hulu made a streaming tv service application or netflix streamed your queue to an ipad application, I dont think it would make me want this more...only if there was a resume option where you can pick up where you left off.
Its obvious why they dont allow flash on their devices but streaming video like youtube and nyt have gotten their shit in apps. Anyone else think how the hell you would play a flash game on it? Example, N+...do i have to have the virtual keyboard to play it? What about a shooter game that has you mashing on the space bar?
The iphone OS doesn't interact with a webpage exactly like a pc does. When the keyboard is up, you can't interact with the webpage at all if you leftclick or touch the webpage your keyboard hides.In apples "it just works" way, having to rework their OS/design to work with flash wasn't in their minds when they made their multitouch.
With all the ways we are used to interacting with flash players now just using their multitouch isn't practical and probably not possible. They would have to remake the slide out keyboard and add a 'lock' option to keep it open for you to play those games.
As said before them doing so would ruin their cashcow which is the appstore...so dont expect it to happen. Even so...playing games that require the use of a keyboard for motion would be horrible on it, as it is on the iphone. I hate the virtual D-pad. I never thought I would say this but it is worse than the 360s dpad.
Its obvious why they dont allow flash on their devices but streaming video like youtube and nyt have gotten their shit in apps. Anyone else think how the hell you would play a flash game on it? Example, N+...do i have to have the virtual keyboard to play it? What about a shooter game that has you mashing on the space bar?
The iphone OS doesn't interact with a webpage exactly like a pc does. When the keyboard is up, you can't interact with the webpage at all if you leftclick or touch the webpage your keyboard hides.In apples "it just works" way, having to rework their OS/design to work with flash wasn't in their minds when they made their multitouch.
With all the ways we are used to interacting with flash players now just using their multitouch isn't practical and probably not possible. They would have to remake the slide out keyboard and add a 'lock' option to keep it open for you to play those games.
As said before them doing so would ruin their cashcow which is the appstore...so dont expect it to happen. Even so...playing games that require the use of a keyboard for motion would be horrible on it, as it is on the iphone. I hate the virtual D-pad. I never thought I would say this but it is worse than the 360s dpad.
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This is intriguing.
http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2357586,00.asp
I don't know bout the capabilities of the Skylgiht overeating system, but since it's linux it should be compatible with most linux apps, and be able to run flash.
http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2357586,00.asp
I don't know bout the capabilities of the Skylgiht overeating system, but since it's linux it should be compatible with most linux apps, and be able to run flash.
To those holding out for Flash on the iPad (or iPhone)...
http://www.macrumors.com/2010/01/29...not-indicative-of-actual-flash-compatibility/
(In short, Flash is not going to happen. Apple used mock-ups of pages correctly displaying Flash in both iPhone and iPad promotional materials. This does not signify any intention to adopt Flash. Note that this is all per Mac Rumors, which is pretty reliable when it comes to Apple guesswork.)
http://www.macrumors.com/2010/01/29...not-indicative-of-actual-flash-compatibility/
(In short, Flash is not going to happen. Apple used mock-ups of pages correctly displaying Flash in both iPhone and iPad promotional materials. This does not signify any intention to adopt Flash. Note that this is all per Mac Rumors, which is pretty reliable when it comes to Apple guesswork.)
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When it comes to Flash, I certainly wouldn't mind if the iPad were to be successful enough as to encourage web developers to move away from Flash and more toward the more open Web utilties (HTML 5 and such). I would love a Flash-less internet.
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haha, best one yet
[quote name='dothog']To those holding out for Flash on the iPad (or iPhone)...
http://www.macrumors.com/2010/01/29...not-indicative-of-actual-flash-compatibility/
(In short, Flash is not going to happen. Apple used mock-ups of pages correctly displaying Flash in both iPhone and iPad promotional materials. This does not signify any intention to adopt Flash. Note that this is all per Mac Rumors, which is pretty reliable when it comes to Apple guesswork.)[/QUOTE]
why is that legal? why is apple allowed to market its product as if it can do something it cannot? this is a serious question, i'm not trying to dig on apple, i really wanna know the law behind it
haha, best one yet
[quote name='dothog']To those holding out for Flash on the iPad (or iPhone)...
http://www.macrumors.com/2010/01/29...not-indicative-of-actual-flash-compatibility/
(In short, Flash is not going to happen. Apple used mock-ups of pages correctly displaying Flash in both iPhone and iPad promotional materials. This does not signify any intention to adopt Flash. Note that this is all per Mac Rumors, which is pretty reliable when it comes to Apple guesswork.)[/QUOTE]
why is that legal? why is apple allowed to market its product as if it can do something it cannot? this is a serious question, i'm not trying to dig on apple, i really wanna know the law behind it
[quote name='Koggit']
why is that legal? why is apple allowed to market its product as if it can do something it cannot? this is a serious question, i'm not trying to dig on apple, i really wanna know the law behind it[/QUOTE]
Usually those ads showing the screen say screen image simulated and they haven't really hidden that it doesn't support flash given Jobs was smooth enough to browse straight to a flash page in his big reveal.
why is that legal? why is apple allowed to market its product as if it can do something it cannot? this is a serious question, i'm not trying to dig on apple, i really wanna know the law behind it[/QUOTE]
Usually those ads showing the screen say screen image simulated and they haven't really hidden that it doesn't support flash given Jobs was smooth enough to browse straight to a flash page in his big reveal.
http://www.computerworld.com/s/article/9150045/Apple_makes_208_on_each_499_iPad
Apple makes 208 on each 499 iPad, up to 446 on the 829 model...
Apple makes 208 on each 499 iPad, up to 446 on the 829 model...
[quote name='manthing']You don't make $3.5 billion last quarter by selling things at cost.
Only thing that stands out to me: the 800% 3G mark-up.
I wonder if Apple is making any payments to AT&T for each 3G model sold.[/QUOTE]
Interesting question. One would think that a small % would go to AT&T, but the majority of money would come from the subscription service. The profit on each iPad leaves a lot of room for apple to drop the price in the future.
Honestly, had it come out at 299 or so I'd consider one. We all know that won't happen as it would price the Touch out of the market, etc.
Only thing that stands out to me: the 800% 3G mark-up.
I wonder if Apple is making any payments to AT&T for each 3G model sold.[/QUOTE]
Interesting question. One would think that a small % would go to AT&T, but the majority of money would come from the subscription service. The profit on each iPad leaves a lot of room for apple to drop the price in the future.
Honestly, had it come out at 299 or so I'd consider one. We all know that won't happen as it would price the Touch out of the market, etc.
[quote name='manthing']
I wonder if Apple is making any payments to AT&T for each 3G model sold.[/QUOTE]
I wouldn't think so since the iPad isn't tied to AT&T like the iPhone. AT&T just announced specific data plans for the iPad, but you could use a Verizon 3G plan etc. I think I read that it won't work with T-Mobile's network though.
I wonder if Apple is making any payments to AT&T for each 3G model sold.[/QUOTE]
I wouldn't think so since the iPad isn't tied to AT&T like the iPhone. AT&T just announced specific data plans for the iPad, but you could use a Verizon 3G plan etc. I think I read that it won't work with T-Mobile's network though.
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The profit margin doesn't surprise me.
[quote name='RAMSTORIA']apple stock took quite a hit this week after anouncing the ipad[/QUOTE]
On the day of the announcement it actually spiked. It was around 200.36 before announcement and ended in the mid 206's at the end of that day.
The rule with apple stock is that you always buy when they reveal and sell on the news/speculation.
On the day of the announcement it actually spiked. It was around 200.36 before announcement and ended in the mid 206's at the end of that day.
The rule with apple stock is that you always buy when they reveal and sell on the news/speculation.
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You don't even know what you're talking about[/QUOTE]
Was that directed at my post? If so....
http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/27/apple-ipad-3g-service-plans-on-atandt-30-for-unlimited-data/
So you can use another network...assuming you can get the SIM for it as it's not totally locked like the iPhone.
Not sure how easy that will be to do. Haven't really looked into it since I have no intention of buying an iPad. At least not this first gen model. And I have no need for 3G in a tablet so I'd get the Wifi Only model if I do buy one down the road.
But sounds like it should be pretty easy as long as the network you want to use provides a micro SIM card for iPad.
You don't even know what you're talking about[/QUOTE]
Was that directed at my post? If so....
http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/27/apple-ipad-3g-service-plans-on-atandt-30-for-unlimited-data/
So you can use another network...assuming you can get the SIM for it as it's not totally locked like the iPhone.
Not sure how easy that will be to do. Haven't really looked into it since I have no intention of buying an iPad. At least not this first gen model. And I have no need for 3G in a tablet so I'd get the Wifi Only model if I do buy one down the road.
But sounds like it should be pretty easy as long as the network you want to use provides a micro SIM card for iPad.
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When people talk about multitasking, they mean running more than one application at once.[/QUOTE]
Guess what? 90% of the population doesn't know what it or talk about it let alone give a shit.
I also love hipster PC Nerds complaining about hipster Apple Nerds
When people talk about multitasking, they mean running more than one application at once.[/QUOTE]
Guess what? 90% of the population doesn't know what it or talk about it let alone give a shit.
I also love hipster PC Nerds complaining about hipster Apple Nerds
[quote name='mtxbass1']On the day of the announcement it actually spiked. It was around 200.36 before announcement and ended in the mid 206's at the end of that day.
The rule with apple stock is that you always buy when they reveal and sell on the news/speculation.[/QUOTE]
ya this is no different behavior for their stock then just about any other announcement...overall, apple stock is up HUGE, i think something like %110 over the last year. As far as profit margins go, you cannot just look at the cost of the components Apple spends an insane amount on advertising and their real estate is in pretty expensive locations. Regardless, you can't fault them for wanting to make money.
Also, I saw on macrumors that apple changed those misleading ads that showed flash working to the way they should look.
The rule with apple stock is that you always buy when they reveal and sell on the news/speculation.[/QUOTE]
ya this is no different behavior for their stock then just about any other announcement...overall, apple stock is up HUGE, i think something like %110 over the last year. As far as profit margins go, you cannot just look at the cost of the components Apple spends an insane amount on advertising and their real estate is in pretty expensive locations. Regardless, you can't fault them for wanting to make money.
Also, I saw on macrumors that apple changed those misleading ads that showed flash working to the way they should look.
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I also love hipster PC Nerds complaining about hipster Apple Nerds[/QUOTE]
Really.
It's one of the more annoying things on the net. Apple nerds hyping the shit out of everything they put out, PC nerds bashing the hell out of everything Apple puts out. But that's just the nature of the net. Nerd fights ruin forums for everyone else.
I hate brand loyality/bashing. I've never owned a single Apple product, but I'd have no qualms buying one that fit my needs as I have no loyalty to any company. I buy what ever product fits my needs.
If a future iPad does what I need, I'll buy one. If not I'll buy another companies tablet that does what I need.
I also love hipster PC Nerds complaining about hipster Apple Nerds[/QUOTE]
Really.
It's one of the more annoying things on the net. Apple nerds hyping the shit out of everything they put out, PC nerds bashing the hell out of everything Apple puts out. But that's just the nature of the net. Nerd fights ruin forums for everyone else.
I hate brand loyality/bashing. I've never owned a single Apple product, but I'd have no qualms buying one that fit my needs as I have no loyalty to any company. I buy what ever product fits my needs.
If a future iPad does what I need, I'll buy one. If not I'll buy another companies tablet that does what I need.
Not that funny.
Some of us do need a tablet type device. To some it just seems useless being a big iPod touch. But for those of us wanting a tablet for tasks like reading and marking up documents, reading magazines etc. the bigger size is key.
iTouch is way to small to do any of that on. Laptops and netbooks are uncomfortable to read on, can't lounge on the couch or bed etc. like you can with a book--but you could with a tablet.
I could see tablets like this catching on in academic and business settings. But it will take one with stylus support and tailored more to reading and writing than the iPad with it's focus on being a multimedia machine for casual use.
Just one of those "different strokes, for different folks" things. I have no use for a smart phone, netbook or many other gadgets, but don't feel a need to go around trashing them like other people don't have use for them.
Some of us do need a tablet type device. To some it just seems useless being a big iPod touch. But for those of us wanting a tablet for tasks like reading and marking up documents, reading magazines etc. the bigger size is key.
iTouch is way to small to do any of that on. Laptops and netbooks are uncomfortable to read on, can't lounge on the couch or bed etc. like you can with a book--but you could with a tablet.
I could see tablets like this catching on in academic and business settings. But it will take one with stylus support and tailored more to reading and writing than the iPad with it's focus on being a multimedia machine for casual use.
Just one of those "different strokes, for different folks" things. I have no use for a smart phone, netbook or many other gadgets, but don't feel a need to go around trashing them like other people don't have use for them.
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[quote name='dmaul1114']Was that directed at my post? If so....
http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/27/apple-ipad-3g-service-plans-on-atandt-30-for-unlimited-data/
So you can use another network...assuming you can get the SIM for it as it's not totally locked like the iPhone.
Not sure how easy that will be to do. Haven't really looked into it since I have no intention of buying an iPad. At least not this first gen model. And I have no need for 3G in a tablet so I'd get the Wifi Only model if I do buy one down the road.
But sounds like it should be pretty easy as long as the network you want to use provides a micro SIM card for iPad.[/QUOTE]
I don't think Verizon uses sim or microsim cards, usually only the GSM providers like ATT and TMobile have them.
http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/27/apple-ipad-3g-service-plans-on-atandt-30-for-unlimited-data/
So you can use another network...assuming you can get the SIM for it as it's not totally locked like the iPhone.
Not sure how easy that will be to do. Haven't really looked into it since I have no intention of buying an iPad. At least not this first gen model. And I have no need for 3G in a tablet so I'd get the Wifi Only model if I do buy one down the road.
But sounds like it should be pretty easy as long as the network you want to use provides a micro SIM card for iPad.[/QUOTE]
I don't think Verizon uses sim or microsim cards, usually only the GSM providers like ATT and TMobile have them.
[quote name='docvinh']I don't think Verizon uses sim or microsim cards, usually only the GSM providers like ATT and TMobile have them.[/QUOTE]
Ah.
Like I said, I hadn't looked into beyond seeing a blurb or to like that Engadget piece since it didn't matter to me one way or the other.
So thanks for the clarification. Odd that some articles mentioned it wouldn't work on T-mobile. Guess that was just wrong information early on--or that they don't have microsim yet or something.
Ah.
Like I said, I hadn't looked into beyond seeing a blurb or to like that Engadget piece since it didn't matter to me one way or the other.
So thanks for the clarification. Odd that some articles mentioned it wouldn't work on T-mobile. Guess that was just wrong information early on--or that they don't have microsim yet or something.
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Actually, it was pretty damn funny.
Come on now, damaul, look at the price point of this thing. 500 bucks for a 16g model? You could easily buy a slim line tablet laptop weighing 4 - 5 pounds (although I do like how its so light.) that is capable of doing all of the things this Ipad does and more.
I dont dislike Apple, I simply do not understand them. It was the same with the Ipod, why should I buy one when I can buy another MP3 player for half the price that does the same or more?
Apple has this strange way of competing against themselves that I just dont get. Their product seem to only out do older versions of the same item.
Come on now, damaul, look at the price point of this thing. 500 bucks for a 16g model? You could easily buy a slim line tablet laptop weighing 4 - 5 pounds (although I do like how its so light.) that is capable of doing all of the things this Ipad does and more.
I dont dislike Apple, I simply do not understand them. It was the same with the Ipod, why should I buy one when I can buy another MP3 player for half the price that does the same or more?
Apple has this strange way of competing against themselves that I just dont get. Their product seem to only out do older versions of the same item.
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