Apple ipad

http://digg.com/d31IPc4

somewhat interesting.

can't wait to get a ipad in my hands at the store to see how easy it is to read on. Definitely gonna have to read reviews about people converting pdfs onto the ipad. Hope its easy to get your books on that 'bookshelf' and read. Not all my ebooks are text...they are like pictures of the book which you can't copy/paste the text, I know those dont work well on a 6" kindle and wonder if the ipad handles them any differently.

Either way I hope ebook readers drop in price within the next 6-9months. My bookshelf is currently overfilled and I rather not buy another bookcase just to store books typically read once.
 
[quote name='naiku']
Either way I hope ebook readers drop in price within the next 6-9months. My bookshelf is currently overfilled and I rather not buy another bookcase just to store books typically read once.[/QUOTE]

Yep.

That was the main appeal of the Kindle to me. I'd given away/donated a ton of books before moving this past summer.

Just no point in buying a physical book I'll likely only read once. Much easier to get the e-book and not have to make space for it, hassle with checking it out of the library (if they even carry it), donating it when I run out of room, move etc.
 
Yeah, unfortunately the academic books, textbooks etc. are the heaviest and I couldn't ditch all of those obviously, so that sucked.

If I switch jobs, it will have to come with professional movers!

Though I shouldn't complain much as I barely have any books compared to most of my colleagues. One shelf of academic books, 1/2 or so of text books (that's growing rapidly as I keep getting sent books from publishers), and a shelf and a half of journals.
 
[quote name='dmaul1114']Yeah, unfortunately the academic books, textbooks etc. are the heaviest and I couldn't ditch all of those obviously, so that sucked.

If I switch jobs, it will have to come with professional movers!

Though I shouldn't complain much as I barely have any books compared to most of my colleagues. One shelf of academic books, 1/2 or so of text books (that's growing rapidly as I keep getting sent books from publishers), and a shelf and a half of journals.[/QUOTE]

I take it from this post -- and every other message you've posted in this thread -- that you are an academic. Maybe I'm reading into things.
 
What's you're point? When people talk about things related to the career the nature of their career is going to be clear in the posts.

It's the lifestyle forum, a lot of the posts are people talking things about their lives. In this case, it's going to come up in every post as my only interest in a tablet device is work-related.

So if you're taking my posts as trying to brag up my career or something, that's not the case. And if you read it that way you must suffer from some inferiority complex or something.
 
http://www.tomshardware.com/news/EeePC-Tablet-Netbook-Pine-Trail,9672.html#xtor=RSS-181

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Yeah, Lenova has a netbook coming out that's kind of like that, but the screen detaches totally to be used as a tablet.

I don't have much interest in the design myself. The flip around ones lack the size/form factor for holding and reading or writing that you get in something like the iPad.

And these type of tablet PCs with the rotating have all had the problem of the touch screen part not being great since the OS is designed around Keyboard and mouse rather than designed for use with fingers/stylus.
 
[quote name='dmaul1114']Yeah, Lenova has a netbook coming out that's kind of like that, but the screen detaches totally to be used as a tablet.

I don't have much interest in the design myself. The flip around ones lack the size/form factor for holding and reading or writing that you get in something like the iPad.

And these type of tablet PCs with the rotating have all had the problem of the touch screen part not being great since the OS is designed around Keyboard and mouse rather than designed for use with fingers/stylus.[/QUOTE]


Still this is the closest and cheapest that could be compared to.

I'll be keeping my eye on this one because it'll be everything I think it should be.

I don't need the OS to be simplified... Windows works fine as a sylus driven....

plus the size will be small enough to not be a bother to lug around.

I just linked because it'll be cheap, and do 1000% more than the ipad can do.
 
Agreed. I think a netbook like that with a stylus screen will be useful to many. I just don't like the design for using it mainly as an e-reader/note pad due to the form factor.

But such a device is useful for people who want a full netbook, with occasional use as a reader/note taker/document mark up device, just less so for someone like me who wants a tablet soley for those purposes.

I'll be curious about the power as well. Most netbooks can't do video--especially streaming video (and especially if it's HD) worth a damn, and I watch a lot of video on my Laptop with Hulu, Netflix etc., and would probably do the same from time to time on a tablet once I own one.

But of course the lack of flash hurts the iPad on that front, even though it can apparently handle HD video.

In any case, it will be cool to see what comes out on the tablet front over the next year or two as people rush to compete with the iPad. Should get a slew of pure tablets/slates, laptops/netbooks with tablet screens (that flip around or detach, and hopefully offer improvements over those that have been around for years), single screen tablets vs. folding two screen ones like the MS Courier or Entourage Edge etc.
 
[quote name='dmaul1114']

In any case, it will be cool to see what comes out on the tablet front over the next year or two as people rush to compete with the iPad. Should get a slew of pure tablets/slates, laptops/netbooks with tablet screens (that flip around or detach, and hopefully offer improvements over those that have been around for years), single screen tablets vs. folding two screen ones like the MS Courier or Entourage Edge etc.[/QUOTE]

Indeed, I think the next few years will be exciting....

I think it's silly to see that Apple is forcing it. It's been around, not like they invented the MP3 or the computer.
 
[quote name='xycury']Indeed, I think the next few years will be exciting....

I think it's silly to see that Apple is forcing it. It's been around, not like they invented the MP3 or the computer.[/QUOTE]

No but for the most part, they did create the first personal computer.
 
[quote name='xycury']Indeed, I think the next few years will be exciting....

I think it's silly to see that Apple is forcing it. It's been around, not like they invented the MP3 or the computer.[/QUOTE]

Well, what I mean is there marketing will get the product known to the mainstream and foce other companies to compete.

To date the notion of a Tablet PC has been a laptop with a flip around screen, or a slate PC that has no attached keyboard but full PC power and cost $2K or so and up.

There hasn't been something for people that just want basically a digital reader/notepad that are priced lower and have a form factor that comfortable to hold and read, mark up documents, take notes like you would on a legal pad etc.

The iPad being so thin, light and coming in at $500 for the base model should hopefully lead to a slew of products. While Apple hasn't invented anything new per se with the iPad, with their marketing and focus on being sleek they are never the less doing something a bit different and have put out a tablet device the closet to what I need of any company to date.

So I'm anxious to see what comes from other companies who'll copy the size, power, price etc. but focus more on the needs of business users, students etc. and really focus on the reading and writing aspect and less on being a mainstream "got to have it) multimedia machine as Apple is going for.

I've not been a fan of Apple--never owned one of their products. But they're marketing can move an area forward. There were a lot more, and better, options in the MP3 player market after the success of the iPod. I'm hoping the iPad does something similar for the tablet market, and leads to a host of options for tablets that aren't just laptops/netbooks with touch screens.
 
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eh, well, now I'm just looking forward to the next version. ;)

I wanted to check out aji annotate, but the size of the iphone screen made me knew I wouldn't judge it fairly compared to what I would use it on (the ipad).
 
[quote name='seanr1221']

Which apps do you guys think will be great on the iPad?

Personally, I'm looking forward to Plants vs Zombies, Final Fantasy, Peggle and Katamari.[/QUOTE]


While the HW boost for Katamari will be nice, I don't think it would be that much fun tilting the larger device
 
[quote name='mykevermin']eh, well, now I'm just looking forward to the next version. ;)

I wanted to check out aji annotate, but the size of the iphone screen made me knew I wouldn't judge it fairly compared to what I would use it on (the ipad).[/QUOTE]

Yeah, I definitely want to play around with the iPad--especially with PDF annotator apps and a third party stylus to see how well it works

Seems pretty pointless on the iPhone screen. Even the iPad screen will be a bit small for some PDFs--i.e. full letter sized ones with 2 or 3 columns of text. Shrinking it to fit the screen will probably make the text a bit small in multi column docs--cropping margins helps but then you lose area to scribble notes in margins of course.

Reading in landscape mode would solve that, but the scrolling up and down gets old on multi column docs, though not bad for single column PDFs.

But it still the most promising device for reading and marking up PDFs I've seen so I'll definitely try it out. Though like you I'll probably wait for a 2nd or 3rd gen model to work out kinks and add features etc. My girlfriend may get one (and I'd chip in as she had me hold off on X-mas and Valentine's gifts to see what happens with the iPad and e-ink readers like the Que) as she's less picky about having good mark up and just wants to read her journal articles etc. Which would be great as I'd be able to really try it out thoroughly then.
 
[quote name='VipFREAK']Yaw... Because no other real computer can't do that... :roll:[/QUOTE]

Yup, cause it's super convenient to carry around a computer like you would an iPad!
 
[quote name='VipFREAK']Yaw... Because no other real computer can't do that... :roll:[/QUOTE]


It's packaged in a way that is very simple and easy for anyone to use, which makes it unique. If I want my toddler to play with an interactive spot, she would have a much easier time using the ipad than a computer with a mouse and keyboard- it's much more intuitive. It's a much more interactive version of the Tag Reader which my daughter loves. Also, I don't know of any ebooks at the moment that you can shake or color in with your finger or have interactive maps. The iphone has some simpler versions of this type of thing(their are some Seuss books that are semi interactive) but this concept takes it to a level I have never seen. I am sure this type of content will be available on other platforms too(so even apple haters will benefit), but I think it probably only exists in the first place because of apple. They deliver the paying audience to these developers to make this type of innovation worth their while.
 
[quote name='Liquid 2']You're acting like Apple invented the tablet PC, caltab.

(They didn't.)[/QUOTE]
no shit, but I would be willing to bet a ton of money it will be the most successful one to date...although I don't really think this is a tablet, its more of a media device. Apple wasn't the first to sell mp3s but they are by far and away the most successful, the App store has been an unbelievable success, and now they are trying to get into other forms of content. Apple is the best in the world at getting people to pay for digital media, which encourages developers to deliver it in new ways. Just about every major book/magazine/newspaper publisher is all over this thing looking to get content on it- no previous "tablet" has done that before. It's not all about the spec's of the device, its about the content you can use with it--something apple has mastered like no other company. You might not see the merits of the ipad, but there is very little doubt this will sell millions, its just a question of how many million-there is a world of consumers outside techies who only judge something by its benchmarks and cutting edge technology.
 
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[quote name='Liquid 2']You're acting like Apple invented the tablet PC, caltab.

(They didn't.)[/QUOTE]

No but tablet PCs have been big, bulky things that were basically laptops with flip around screens. Way too bulky to carry around and read on, way too short of battery life etc. There are some without keyboards (slate pcs) but they are very prices, still run hot, get poor battery life etc.

I get that people hate Apple and they way people act like their products are revolutionary. But they do a great job of getting stuff in form factors very well suited to what they need.

Tablet PCs have failed as very few people need a laptop with a screen that flips around for stylus use. Many more people can probably use something like the iPad that's small, light, gets good battery life and can easily be carried around easily and held comfortably for reading books, magazines, comics, text books pdfs etc.

Apple really is the first to put out reader type tablet like this--it's not super revolutionary in anything but form factor, but that's still a nice step forward IMO.

Now I just have to wait for some other company to rip off the form factor and add the functionality I want in such a device that the iPad lacks.
 
Based on the overwhelming positive and enthusiastic responses to the ipad in this thread I am sure you are all extremely excited to hear that Apple announced April third is the Ipad's release date, with pre orders starting March 12---better start making plans to get in line now!!!
 
The courier does look pretty damn cool. I'm not sold on the 2 screen design though. It's also way to small for my needs as I really just want one 8.5 x 11" screen that can display all my research articles identical to the printouts as I don't want to have to deal with zooming and scrolling etc.

Courier does look like a great reader though. Problem for me is I'm more in the market for a thin, light document markup tablet/digital legal pad, so it--like the iPad--doesn't fit my very specific needs.

Basically something like the Skiff Reader (see link) in terms of size/form factor, but not e-ink (to slow for mark up and skimming throw documents) and stylus mark up.

http://www.skiff.com/skiff-reader.html
 
The courier does look pretty cool and seems like it would be really good for notes if you're in school. It seems a bit small, but depending on the resolution and how it scales documents it might not be bad for using 8.5x11 files. If it doesn't actually open pdfs, etc. then it won't be worth it anyway unless it's amazingly cheap.
 
8.5 x 11 files will depend on the type. Some journal articles I read are just that size as they're scans, but it's single column text centered in the page with big margins. Those you can get on smaller screens fine by cropping margins etc.

Others are true 8.5 x 11 docs, with multiple columns etc., and those just don't work as the text is tiny if you zoom it to fit in portrait inve on the 9.7" devices like the Kindle DX. Reading in landscape mode helps with that, but it's too much scrolling up and down to read the all of each column.
 
[quote name='mykevermin']What's wrong with the Skiff?[/QUOTE]

E-ink is really slow on refresh, so it's a pain to flip through a document to say look for a certain table etc. Also makes markup with stylus slow and awkward IMO.

I'm also guessing it will be pricey. The Plastic Logic Que is $650 for a 4GB wifi model, or $799 for 8GB with WiFi and 3G. The Skiff with it's newer screen tech will probably be that much or more.

I just can't see paying that for an e-ink device that's slow and can only be used as a reader, when the iPad starts at $500. I'd rather wait and see if we get some LCD tablets with larger screens, as I'd prefer the faster page turns, mark up etc, along with ability for full web browsing, video, color for magazines etc.

But the Skiff will be fine if you just want to read PDFs and don't care about slow page turns etc. E-ink is great for long term reading--I love my Kindle for that reason. But with work reading, I'm seldom doing it for more than 1-2 hours a time as it has to be fit in around everything else, so I don't care about the eyestrain, battery life etc. so much. Add in my need for quick page turns and lag free stylus mark up, and that's what's wrong with the Skiff for me.
 
Hmm. Something that doesn't fuck with my eye strain is an appeal, so e-ink is good for that.

But it sounds possibly quite expensive, so I'm content to hold off for something that offers everything I want.
 
[quote name='Sporadic']HP Slate going for the jugular.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-p-RZAwQq0E[/QUOTE]

slate looks nice too. i like the size and a 16x9 screen (wow!). but id want to see more specifics on specs and pricing before i dropped any money on them.

honestly, i dont even know thatd id want a tablet (other than they are slick), i already have an iphone, laptop and psp that i frequently carry around with me.
 
The main advantage that apple has is that if you already have an iPhone and bought all those apps, then you'll also be able to run them on the iPad.
 
[quote name='bsesb2003']The main advantage that apple has is that if you already have an iPhone and bought all those apps, then you'll also be able to run them on the iPad.[/QUOTE]

And if you have a Flash-enabled browser, then most iPhone apps become completely redundant, because 99% of them just do stuff that you could do in a browser (maps, notetaking, locators, etc), if only you had Flash support. That's why the iPad doesn't have Flash; it's not a technological problem, it's just that Apple doesn't want to sabotage the app market by making the vast majority of them completely redundant and useless.
 
[quote name='CoffeeEdge']And if you have a Flash-enabled browser, then most iPhone apps become completely redundant, because 99% of them just do stuff that you could do in a browser (maps, notetaking, locators, etc), if only you had Flash support. That's why the iPad doesn't have Flash; it's not a technological problem, it's just that Apple doesn't want to sabotage the app market by making the vast majority of them completely redundant and useless.[/QUOTE]

When HTML 5 comes out all proprietary plugins such as adobe flash, microsoft silverlight and sun java, ect.. will no longer be need. :D
 
Put a store reservation down on the 32gb version. Anyone know if this is considered a real reservation, or is it like the 3gs last year where it was just to see how many people were interested? :whistle2:|
 
As an artist, I've been watching all these new tablet/slate devices eagerly. I have various iterations of graphic tablets but have always wanted a digital sketchbook. I've been watching the courier for many months now. I'm a little disappointed with the size but without a real hands-on I can't really say much. Interface for it looks pretty darn slick though. I'm more interested in it because it seems pen input driven - which is most important for me. I'm aware there are various "stylii" for the iphone/touch/ipad but I'm not so keen on what I've seen of them - not even enough to pick one up for my touch.

The ipad seems decent. Seems to have a kick ass screen but a bit limited with features. Doesn't seem to be a real creativity/productivity device - more a consumption device. I'll keep my eye out for the 2nd gen. model. Maybe Jobs will get over his stylus hatred issues.
 
They must of picked the worst name possible. Some sickos are gonna rub one of these iPads against their genitals and post it on the internet.
 
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