Ariz. governor signs immigration enforcement bill

Excellent.

You and perd should hang.

You can both smoke bongs together and figure out ways to make me lose faith in humanity even fucking faster.
 
[quote name='xxDOYLExx']A guy that goes by the name of budsmoka is going to lecture us about the law........[/QUOTE]

Got my medical card bitch. Looks like you need to educate your self.
 
Hey I'm for abortion up until a certain point. I think it would be more profitable for the government to give out abortion pills then to pay some welfare mom until her kids are 18 and then even more once the kid gets thrown into prison.
 
[quote name='perdition(troy']If you honestly thought that was what my comment was talking about I don't know what to say to you.[/QUOTE]

You said "Another reason to be against automatic citizenship." So you're saying that it's OK to take away citizenship from people that are born in this country on the totally arbitrary fact that they're parents are from another country.

What's to stop the government from making another totally arbitrary rule that no one gets automatic citizenship and you have to take a "simple but essential" test to ensure that you qualify?

I'm just taking your illogical fallacy to it's logical conclusion. Show me where I'm wrong.
 
[quote name='Feeding the Abscess']http://www.aclu.org/national-security_technology-and-liberty/are-you-living-constitution-free-zone

http://www.aclu.org/technology-and-liberty/fact-sheet-us-constitution-free-zone[/QUOTE]

I don't...I don't really know about this whole thing.

Having lived in Texas, and having gone down south numerous times, and having had to stop at border patrol checkpoints every time I have to do this...

None of it seems all that bizarre or intrusive to me. I stop my car, they ask me if I'm a US citizen, and I go. 8 seconds. People ride bulls for that amount of time, and me having to roll my window down to say "Yes, I'm heading back to (my city)" doesn't strike me as a huge invasion of privacy.

The other thing is that this has been going on for decades. People only started to throw a up fit about it under Bush. This'll sound dumb, but over at Digg.com, there was a video of a guy being stopped at one of these places. The border patrol agent did what every other one I've seen do - asked him "Are you a US citizen and where are you heading?" The guy, who is videotaping this, proceeds to scream out "AM I BEING DETAINED? WHAT DID I DO WRONG?" repeatedly, like a four year old who really wants a toy. I commented there much in the same way I'm doing now - that none of you understand this if you don't live near a border, that it's not some massive internal body search, etc etc. People called me a loony Bush supporter and so on.

Anyway, my point is that this has gone on for a while and I fail to see it match the level of knee jerk reactionary nonsense that people have when they "first" hear about it. It's strange to me that people would throw a fit about it and then turn around and champion Arizona's law like the pile of shit that it is, since that law would more or less allow cops to do routine stops just like this at practically any moment and for any reason. It's an invasion of privacy when it's a very common procedure going on for decades, but you'll bitch about it, and for your encore, be happy about something you think is going to get all the scary Mexicans that's EXACTLY the same thing, but now mobile?

Yeah, I saw the King of the Hill episode "Three Days at the Kahndo" where they go to Mexico and Kahn yells out that "YOU THINK HE'S RUNNING GUNS?" when they get to the border and Hank has to pull over to the inspection station for no good reason other than Kahn being a jerk. So I'm guessing there's "random" searches of cars in the same manner as airports. Hell, now that I think about it, I was coming back from Mexico once with some people and the fruit we'd bought got confiscated for some reason (talking bout dat mango, man).

Anyway, point being is that I fail to see the outrage. Calling it a "Constitution Free Zone" is incredible hyperbole. For the record, other countries do much the same thing. Hell, when you get to Japan, they fingerprint you. The first hour of your trip is sitting in Narita airport walking through huge lines where you have to go through a few hoops of explaining why you are there, what you plan to do, who you are going to see, etc. Yeah, it's a clinical thing so you aren't getting felt up by anybody, but it's far more intrusive than a guy asking you one question when you are in your nice air conditioned car.

Other observations:

1) Wouldn't Washington DC be in this zone? I find that amusing.

2) LOL at the entirety of Hawaii being in the zone.
 
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[quote name='Dr Mario Kart']We dont have an illegal immigration problem. We have an illegal employer problem.[/QUOTE]

[quote name='depascal22']Alot of us have been saying the same thing. Why not punish the employers? Of course, you'll never get a right winger to admit that corporations do bad things like hire illegals.[/QUOTE]

[quote name='lilboo']They should really imprison people who harbor and employee these illegals.[/QUOTE]

[quote name='speedracer']The one thing we can all agree on is that illegals are here for employment. So how stupid do you have to be to go after everything illegals are involved in commercially and socially EXCEPT the employers?

Walls won't keep them out. They never work. Going after landlords is stupid. Thinly disguised profiling is stupid. Stop the employers from hiring them and they would all leave on their own. Period.

But nobody wants that.[/QUOTE]

[quote name='xycury']I don't see why we shouldn't make employers crack down on that.[/QUOTE]

[quote name='xycury']Harsher laws on businesses that employ illegal immigrants.[/QUOTE]

[quote name='thrustbucket']1) HEAVILY fine any employer hiring illegal aliens.[/QUOTE]

[quote name='depascal22']I like your idea, thrust. I've also said that employers should be the ones that INS goes after.[/QUOTE]


Administration opposes Arizona law that penalizes hiring of illegal immigrants

The Obama administration on Friday urged the Supreme Court to review and set aside an Arizona law that sanctions employers who hire illegal immigrants[...]
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Thats curious UncleBob, I thought it was only slack jawed racist rich white republican males that opposed those type of penalties. Oh yeah pssst we don't profile people ;)
 
[quote name='UncleBob']Protection from the Constitution?

The Constitution is about the only thing protecting us as it is.[/QUOTE]
You mean what's left of it after Bush got done wiping his ass with it for 8 years.

I'm still wondering how the fuck he got re-elected. Someone must've been passing out laced cookies at the polls on election day.
 
[quote name='IAmTheCheapestGamer']You mean what's left of it after Bush got done wiping his ass with it for 8 years.
[/QUOTE]

And then Obama renewed The Patriot Act :D
 
[quote name='IAmTheCheapestGamer']You mean what's left of it after Bush got done wiping his ass with it for 8 years.

I'm still wondering how the fuck he got re-elected. Someone must've been passing out laced cookies at the polls on election day.[/QUOTE]

According to my family in Ohio, Bush got re-elected because po' folk had to stand in line for several hours waiting to vote.
 
[quote name='budsmoka']Also no one worth voting for ran against him.[/QUOTE]

Bush II effectively won the 2004 election by 70K votes. If not for Blackwell, he would have been an one termer like his father.
 
Just thinking out loud, I can't believe people are against this. If I was somewhere ILLEGALLY and someone asked me to leave, I'd understand... not cry about it.
 
[quote name='DarkNessBear']Just thinking out loud, I can't believe people are against this. If I was somewhere ILLEGALLY and someone asked me to leave, I'd understand... not cry about it.[/QUOTE]

shut up, were a nation of immigrants!
 
[quote name='DarkNessBear']Just thinking out loud, I can't believe people are against this. If I was somewhere ILLEGALLY and someone asked me to leave, I'd understand... not cry about it.[/QUOTE]

Fool, please. You probably cry when you're in line for Space Mountain. Now imagine that line stretches back so far to be measured in years......
 
[quote name='RAMSTORIA']shut up, were a nation of immigrants![/QUOTE]
I agree with the nation of immigrants portion of that statement, but our ancestors who came from other countries at least tried to assimilate into this nation and many of them did it LEGALLY.

To me, if you're here illegally, you have no rights and should be deported without listening to whatever cockamamie excuse you can come up with in broken English. This is also true of those who have made families while here. If you have an American born gf/bf/spouse, they should be arrested and prosecuted for harboring you because you are a criminal.

Either that or they should be included in the deportation proceedings and when you go back to whatever country you came from, they go back with you.

Let's see just how long many of those families that the INS doesn't wanna break up(and allows the illegals to stay here because of)would stay together if the American born citizen that's in the relationship with the illegal were forced to live in a third world hell hole for even one day.
 
[quote name='perdition(troy']fixed[/QUOTE]

Are you 100% everyone in your tree came here legally? I'm not and I don't think most people can say that either.
 
[quote name='IAmTheCheapestGamer']I agree with the nation of immigrants portion of that statement, but our ancestors who came from other countries at least tried to assimilate into this nation and many of them did it LEGALLY.

To me, if you're here illegally, you have no rights and should be deported without listening to whatever cockamamie excuse you can come up with in broken English. This is also true of those who have made families while here. If you have an American born gf/bf/spouse, they should be arrested and prosecuted for harboring you because you are a criminal.

Either that or they should be included in the deportation proceedings and when you go back to whatever country you came from, they go back with you.

Let's see just how long many of those families that the INS doesn't wanna break up(and allows the illegals to stay here because of)would stay together if the American born citizen that's in the relationship with the illegal were forced to live in a third world hell hole for even one day.[/QUOTE]

You're a funny guy.
 
Once again, look at allllllllllllllllllllllllllllll the people who never speed in here! Best law abiding group of people ever!
 
[quote name='fatherofcaitlyn']You're a funny guy.[/QUOTE]

Thank you. Thank you very much. ;) Just my thoughts on the whole thing, as usual.

But I'm sure the pansies in gov't would never approve of such things.
 
[quote name='budsmoka']fuck lets all protest by going to mexico illegally and use up all their government benefits.[/QUOTE]

Good plan.:applause: Except for the fact that if we were in Mexico illegally, they would round our asses up and throw us in jail and toss away the key.

Amazing double standard, no? We are lenient on a majority of them when they come here illegally, but if we did the same we would be tossed in jail.
 
[quote name='IAmTheCheapestGamer']Good plan.:applause: Except for the fact that if we were in Mexico illegally, they would round our asses up and throw us in jail and toss away the key.

Amazing double standard, no? We are lenient on a majority of them when they come here illegally, but if we did the same we would be tossed in jail.[/QUOTE]

Mexico doesn't need slaves like the US does.
 
[quote name='IAmTheCheapestGamer']Good plan.:applause: Except for the fact that if we were in Mexico illegally, they would round our asses up and throw us in jail and toss away the key.

Amazing double standard, no? We are lenient on a majority of them when they come here illegally, but if we did the same we would be tossed in jail.[/QUOTE]

Don't worry, Calderon is fixing the problem. :roll:
 
[quote name='Strell']Once again, look at allllllllllllllllllllllllllllll the people who never speed in here! Best law abiding group of people ever![/QUOTE]

what is the punishment for speeding?

what is the punishment for being here illegally?

Now what do you think would happen if the police suddenly stopped enforcing the speed limit? What would the roads be like?

As far as we know if we cracked down on illegal immigration, we would probably not catch them all. Just like your speeding analogy people would get away with it, but the fact that the police are enforcing the speed limit probably makes it far less likely for people to speed, even though people still do, and get away with it.
 
[quote name='budsmoka']Hey we should organize a million man march across the boarder then.[/QUOTE]

A million man gang bang on somebody's roommate?

Count me out.
 
[quote name='depascal22']Are you 100% everyone in your tree came here legally? I'm not and I don't think most people can say that either.[/QUOTE]

if you want, I can pm you in regards to it, otherwise the simple answer is yes.
 
[quote name='perdition(troy']if you want, I can pm you in regards to it, otherwise the simple answer is yes.[/QUOTE]

I'll take your word for it.

Well, I know at least one of my relatives came here illegally as a stowaway and one came legally (since the buying and selling of humans at the time was completely legal) as a slave. Should that have any bearing on my personal citizenship?

How pure must American blood be to considered for guaranteed citizenship then?
 
If your born here legally your good but if your parents are illegals they can either leave you here with a relative that a legal citizen,in foster care or take you back with them.
 
[quote name='depascal22']I'll take your word for it.

Well, I know at least one of my relatives came here illegally as a stowaway and one came legally (since the buying and selling of humans at the time was completely legal) as a slave. Should that have any bearing on my personal citizenship?

How pure must American blood be to considered for guaranteed citizenship then?[/QUOTE]

According to Uncle Ruckus, the exact formula for citizenship is %white * (1/%black).
 
[quote name='thrustbucket']You won't be able to post Newsweek links after newsmax buys them or the fallout here will be too great. You think posting foxnews links is bad....[/QUOTE]

Yeah, but the story paints the Arizona law in a bad light when view through the long lens. It can't be all bad.
 
[quote name='depascal22']I'll take your word for it.

Well, I know at least one of my relatives came here illegally as a stowaway and one came legally (since the buying and selling of humans at the time was completely legal) as a slave. Should that have any bearing on my personal citizenship?

How pure must American blood be to considered for guaranteed citizenship then?[/QUOTE]

there was not an illegal immigration problem (at least the way it is now) in the country until the events leading up to the great depression because immigration wasn't very restricted until then.

Im still having trouble figuring out what you guys are arguing for? It seems like you just want to look the other way on illegal immigration, but I will just assume it as you wanting to have unrestricted immigration.
 
[quote name='Knoell']there was not an illegal immigration problem (at least the way it is now) in the country until the events leading up to the great depression because immigration wasn't very restricted until then.

Im still having trouble figuring out what you guys are arguing for? It seems like you just want to look the other way on illegal immigration, but I will just assume it as you wanting to have unrestricted immigration.[/QUOTE]

What are your thoughts on the newsweek article?

If illegal immigration is going to taper off due to a declining population, should we get the Arizona law once there is a net reduction in illegal immigrants? Of course, I mean a net reduction across the entire country so the Arizona law gets as little credit as possible.
 
I don't know what Knoell is arguing for? It seems like you just want to enforce the federal law, but I will assume it as you wanting to target Hispanics.
 
[quote name='fatherofcaitlyn']What are your thoughts on the newsweek article?

If illegal immigration is going to taper off due to a declining population, should we get the Arizona law once there is a net reduction in illegal immigrants? Of course, I mean a net reduction across the entire country so the Arizona law gets as little credit as possible.[/QUOTE]

I don't believe illegal immigration is going to taper off beyond the point of a problem. We have seen that it has decreased because of the recession, but once the economy starts back up, alot of Mexicans will be looking for a better life up here, legally, and illegally. The fertility rate decreasing may change this in Mexico and it does affect it, but alot of these illegals are not just Mexican as you guys like to point out so much.

"Other countries in Latin America have experienced a similar drop, though not as sharp."

Just because the problem is not as rampant as it was 5 years ago does not mean it is unnecessary to fix now.
 
[quote name='IRHari']I don't know what Knoell is arguing for? It seems like you just want to enforce the federal law, but I will assume it as you wanting to target Hispanics.[/QUOTE]

rather than clarify your position you attack me, good old IRHari.

Here comes the "its not worth explaining to you" post
 
[quote name='Knoell']rather than clarify your position you attack me, good old IRHari.

Here comes the "its not worth explaining to you" post
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[quote name='Knoell']Im still having trouble figuring out what you guys are arguing for? It seems like you just want to look the other way on illegal immigration, but I will just assume it as you wanting to have unrestricted immigration.[/QUOTE]

No, I just made the argument that you made. Instead of trying to understand the other side's position, I just 'assumed X', like you did.

I don't think I made a post here that really clarifies my position. I could be wrong though.
 
[quote name='IRHari']I don't know what Knoell is arguing for? It seems like you just want to enforce the federal law, but I will assume it as you wanting to target Hispanics.[/QUOTE]

Without (likely) intending it, you nailed the crux of the matter right on the head:

In this country it's impossible to enforce our Federal Immigration Laws without it appearing that we are targeting Hispanics.

Nobody likes being called a racist, so everyone winks at the existing law.
 
That was EXACTLY my intention, Knoell construed it as 'omglib media everyones against FOX everyone hates israel', i.e. played the victim.

Agree with you on that.
 
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