Ariz. governor signs immigration enforcement bill

[quote name='IRHari']That was EXACTLY my intention, Knoell construed it as 'omglib media everyones against FOX everyone hates israel', i.e. played the victim.

Agree with you on that.[/QUOTE]

I stated I was confused with depascals position, rather than depascal clarifying his position (he probably wasnt online), you attacked what you think you deem to be my position.

I am just asking what you guys want with this whole immigration situation. Do you feel the current situation is fine? Do you think laws need to be more tough? Do you think that we should have less restrictive immigration policies?

What do you want besides bashing anyones effort to deal with the issue?
 
[quote name='thrustbucket']Without (likely) intending it, you nailed the crux of the matter right on the head:

In this country it's impossible to enforce our Federal Immigration Laws without it appearing that we are targeting Hispanics.

Nobody likes being called a racist, so everyone winks at the existing law.[/QUOTE]
Personally, I don't care what people think about me, so put me in charge of the INS. I'd go city to city, state by state with a caravan of vehicles rounding up illegals and take 'em all back to Mexico personally.

Either that or electrify the border fence.:D

I'm willing to bet that if the border fence were electrified it would dissuade quite a few from hopping it.:D

Just a thought....
 
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"Don't go past this point because you might get killed."

Fox News> OMFG WE'RE CLOSING OFF OUR SOVEREIGN NATION TO OUR OWN CITIZENS

You know what, Arizonans? Go past that point. Get raped. That'll show our evil gubment.

Once again:
  • Get mad at immigrants
  • Make stupid law
  • Justify law by saying we lose 16 billion a year
  • 16 billion by millions of immigrants = almost half of Exxon's pure profit per year, i.e., millions of people versus ONE CORPORATION
  • Whine about wanting to building a border that would cost trillions that we'd never recoup the cost of AND would be circumvented in about a day
  • Distracting people with this fucking nonsense while corporations are raping the country
  • My fucking face
 
[quote name='Strell']"Don't go past this point because you might get killed."

Fox News> OMFG WE'RE CLOSING OFF OUR SOVEREIGN NATION TO OUR OWN CITIZENS

You know what, Arizonans? Go past that point. Get raped. That'll show our evil gubment.







Once again:
  • Get mad at immigrants
  • Make stupid law
  • Justify law by saying we lose 16 billion a year
  • 16 billion by millions of immigrants = almost half of Exxon's pure profit per year, i.e., millions of people versus ONE CORPORATION
  • Whine about wanting to building a border that would cost trillions that we'd never recoup the cost of AND would be circumvented in about a day
  • Distracting people with this fucking nonsense while corporations are raping the country
  • My fucking face
[/QUOTE]

Get mad at anything the goes against having an open border.
Once again ignore the security of our border.
Allow human trafficking and drug smuggling into the country.
Distract people with evil corporation ideology, in order to ignore other problems.


What justification do you have for not securing the border with the military strell?

How many shareholders own stock in Exxon strell?

How bad does our southern border have to get before we will stop ignoring the criminal activities illegal immigration, human trafficking, drug and firearm smuggling, etc bring to our country? I would think that declaring a portion of the fucking UNITED STATES unsafe to travel would raise a god damn red flag. God damn you people.
 
So whenever there is a warning telling people not to go out in a certain part of the ocean for fear of shark attacks, we're giving part of our coast back to the ocean or something?

Not really following the logic here, warning about dangerous area = we're giving land to Mexico?
 
[quote name='Clak']So whenever there is a warning telling people not to go out in a certain part of the ocean for fear of shark attacks, we're giving part of our coast back to the ocean or something?

Not really following the logic here, warning about dangerous area = we're giving land to Mexico?[/QUOTE]

So you're equating adult Mexican citizens to dangerous wild animals with no inhibitions?

Awesome. +2pts.
 
My brother lived in Arizona for sometime (we're Yankee Northerners). He could understand why locals want this law in place. He said illegals just run rampant in certain areas. From a locals perspective he could see why people voted this law in place.

Now I live in Chicago and we have an opposite law that protects illegals from getting deported when they get arrested. You literally have to do a crime on the level of rape or murder to get deported after you serve jail time. An illegal I worked with literally committed 6 DUIs in one year before he was finally deported. Thats six times this nut job could have killed someone , harmed someone, or caused property damage with no insurance. I have to say I somewhat support what arizona is doing only on the condition of checking people's citizenship when they committee a crime and not at random stops.
 
[quote name='Sk'] I have to say I somewhat support what arizona is doing only on the condition of checking people's citizenship when they committee a crime and not at random stops.[/QUOTE]

As it should be.
 
[quote name='IAmTheCheapestGamer']Personally, I don't care what people think about me, so put me in charge of the INS. I'd go city to city, state by state with a caravan of vehicles rounding up illegals and take 'em all back to Mexico personally.[/QUOTE]

Not all illegals are from Mexico. It just happens to be border they cross the most because it's mostly uninhabited desert.
 
[quote name='depascal22']Not all illegals are from Mexico. It just happens to be border they cross the most because it's mostly uninhabited desert.[/QUOTE]

If they cross through Mexico, take 'em back to Mexico and let the Mexican government deal with them they way that only they can. ;)
 
[quote name='UncleBob']So you're equating adult Mexican citizens to dangerous wild animals with no inhibitions?

Awesome. +2pts.[/QUOTE]
I thought they were all hardened criminals with no conscience or morals, might as well throw no inhibitions in there too.
 
Most of us can see the difference (it isn't even subtle for crying out loud) in someone coming here for a better life vs drug traffickers, smugglers, etc...

That's why ICE prioritizes going after those drug traffickers and smugglers and generally leaves the others alone. I'll be completely frank in saying if they aren't committing a crime (don't say it, i mean other than being here) it doesn't bother me that they're here.

I have my own sense of right and wrong and I really couldn't care any less what the law says. Saying that all illegal immigrants are horrible criminals is no different than saying all *insert group here* are *insert label here*. Many of these people work harder than probably any of us here ever have or ever will, but we'd rather punish them for it by saying they're taking jobs from others who want them, which is hilarious in it's own right.
 
They cost us billions in tax dollars, something they don't pay into because they aren't citizens. Not to mention the fact that they go the the emergency room for a cold,don't pay and then drive up our costs.
 
And they also help keep the cost of our food down because they work for little to nothing and will gladly work those jobs, something most Americans won't. Think about all the shit jobs these people do and get paid so little for that you wouldn't do. Then think how much you'd have to be paid to do it if you were willing. How much would it take for you to pick vegetables in the blazing sun all day long? Or work in a meat processing plant, or clean some rich family's house everyday. Would probably take a lot more for you to do it than any of them. The sad thing is that many of them don't even seem to understand they're being taken advantage of.
 
[quote name='Clak']And they also help keep the cost of our food down because they work for little to nothing and will gladly work those jobs, something most Americans won't. Think about all the shit jobs these people do and get paid so little for that you wouldn't do. Then think how much you'd have to be paid to do it if you were willing. How much would it take for you to pick vegetables in the blazing sun all day long? Or work in a meat processing plant, or clean some rich family's house everyday. Would probably take a lot more for you to do it than any of them. The sad thing is that many of them don't even seem to understand they're being taken advantage of.[/QUOTE]

I think it's so awesome how you like to hold up abusive labor practices as something we should be proud of.
 
[quote name='UncleBob']I think it's so awesome how you like to hold up abusive labor practices as something we should be proud of.[/QUOTE]

But they want to Unclebob so its not abusive, they volunteer ;)

Hey if it keeps the cost of our food down, who cares if an "evil" company pays an illegal 2 dollars an hour to do it.

Hey clak I thought you guys were for penalizing businesses for hiring illegals?
 
[quote name='UncleBob']I think it's so awesome how you like to hold up abusive labor practices as something we should be proud of.[/QUOTE]
And here we go again, finding evidence of something where no evidence is. Scotland Yard should be so lucky to hire a master detective such as yourself.

[quote name='Knoell']But they want to Unclebob so its not abusive, they volunteer ;)[/QUOTE]
And look, you're own little Watson.
 
[quote name='UncleBob']I think it's so awesome how you like to hold up abusive labor practices as something we should be proud of.[/QUOTE]

You did catch "The sad thing is that many of them don't even seem to understand they're being taken advantage of." in your quote, right?
 
[quote name='fatherofcaitlyn']You did catch "The sad thing is that many of them don't even seem to understand they're being taken advantage of." in your quote, right?[/QUOTE]

But when reform is talked about, some people throw that out there like its a good thing, "well, if we secured the border our economy would collapse because all the cheap labor would be gone"
 
[quote name='Clak']And here we go again, finding evidence of something where no evidence is. Scotland Yard should be so lucky to hire a master detective such as yourself.


And look, you're own little Watson.[/QUOTE]

? So you aren't holding up abusive labor practices as a positive to illegal immigration?
 
Of course he didn't, master detectives don't let little things like details get in the way of jumping to conclusions.
 
[quote name='Clak']And here we go again, finding evidence of something where no evidence is. Scotland Yard should be so lucky to hire a master detective such as yourself.


And look, you're own little Watson.[/QUOTE]

they work for little to nothing and will gladly work those jobs, something most Americans won't. Think about all the shit jobs these people do and get paid so little for that you wouldn't do. The sad thing is that many of them don't even seem to understand they're being taken advantage of.
 
[quote name='Clak']And here we go again, finding evidence of something where no evidence is. Scotland Yard should be so lucky to hire a master detective such as yourself.[/QUOTE]

I just royally get sick of the people who trot out the "they do the job Americans won't do and get abused while doing it" line of crap. You hold it up like it's some kind of golden key to the entire US economy and therefore we should continue the path were on, letting these people continue to be used and abused, else our economy will implode upon itself.

I present this: If these Mexicans weren't in the country illegally, taking jobs that they weren't legally qualified for, then the employers would have to bump the jobs up to "American" standards (pay, safety, benefits, etc.) so that legal citizens would be willing to fill the jobs. Would this raise prices? Yes.

But so would treating illegal immigrants like humans.

Either way, prices would go up. The only way to keep them down is to keep the illegals in this state of pseudo-slavery. So, either stop with the "prices will go up!" line of defense or accept that you are happy with Mexican pseudo-slave labor. You can't have both.
 
[quote name='Knoell']? So you aren't holding up abusive labor practices as a positive to illegal immigration?[/QUOTE]
I can't believe i'm even defending myself against this shit....

Anyway, no of course i'm not. If anything i'm saying we should be grateful that these people basically feed us on the labor of their backs. They should of course be paid more than they are, it's criminal that some of these people aren't even paid minimum wage. But even if they were paid more, they would still most likely work for less than most of us would.

These folks are basically in the same situation that the people who built this country were. They'll take the work that nobody else wants, they'll do it and not even complain about it, because the job allows them to feed their families. Those people who built our cities and infrastructure are though of with respect and dignity, practically as heroes of the industrial revolution. On the other hand, some people would sooner spit in the face of an illegal immigrant solely because they aren't here legally, even when they work harder than the yuppie in his BMW ever will.
 
[quote name='Clak']I can't believe i'm even defending myself against this shit....[/QUOTE]

Now you feel like the majority of americans who don't understand why people defend illegal immigrants.
 
[quote name='UncleBob']I just royally get sick of the people who trot out the "they do the job Americans won't do and get abused while doing it" line of crap. You hold it up like it's some kind of golden key to the entire US economy and therefore we should continue the path were on, letting these people continue to be used and abused, else our economy will implode upon itself.

I present this: If these Mexicans weren't in the country illegally, taking jobs that they weren't legally qualified for, then the employers would have to bump the jobs up to "American" standards (pay, safety, benefits, etc.) so that legal citizens would be willing to fill the jobs. Would this raise prices? Yes.

But so would treating illegal immigrants like humans.

Either way, prices would go up. The only way to keep them down is to keep the illegals in this state of pseudo-slavery. So, either stop with the "prices will go up!" line of defense or accept that you are happy with Mexican pseudo-slave labor. You can't have both.[/QUOTE]

Oh, so now you suddenly have a conscience? I thought all illegals were drug traffickers and smugglers. Now you're suddenly their advocate? I'm not even saying you're wrong, just that you've got some an almost split personality thing going on. Why should you even care how they're treated when you think they should all be deported anyway?
 
[quote name='Clak']Oh, so now you suddenly have a conscience? I thought all illegals were drug traffickers and smugglers. Now you're suddenly their advocate? I'm not even saying you're wrong, just that you've got some an almost split personality thing going on. Why should you even care how they're treated when you think they should all be deported anyway?[/QUOTE]

Wow.

So, when you can no longer defend your position, you attack others. And you attack them basedon imaginary things as well.

Please find a quote from me - anywhere - where I said anything close to "all illegals are drug traffickers and smugglers".

As for the second part, while I don't think they should *all* be deported, I think any reasonable person can agree that there's a world of difference between thinking someone who's here illegally should be deported and "not even caring how they're treated." If living in Mexico is *so* bad that living there is worse than being abused, then instead of entertaining the Mexican President at the White House, we should be telling him to get his own damn house in order. Seems like he has better things to do than to eat a free meal paid with US taxpayer money.
 
[quote name='Knoell']But when reform is talked about, some people throw that out there like its a good thing, "well, if we secured the border our economy would collapse because all the cheap labor would be gone"[/QUOTE]

By "some people", are you referring to employers who exploit illegal immigrants?
 
[quote name='UncleBob']Please find a quote from me - anywhere - where I said anything close to "all illegals are drug traffickers and smugglers".[/QUOTE]

It is easy to confuse you with Knoell. Admit it.
 
Wow wtf are Knoell/UncleBob/foc /Clak/perdition/depascal22 doing here in the middle of the day?

Get a job you fucking government leeches. I'm paying for your food stamps you fucking welfare queens.
 
[quote name='IRHari']Wow wtf are Knoell/UncleBob/foc /Clak/perdition/depascal22 doing here in the middle of the day?

Get a job you fucking government leeches. I'm paying for your food stamps you fucking welfare queens.[/QUOTE]

Ahh, sweet vacation time. :p

Now, If only work would stop calling me with questions. ;)
 
[quote name='IRHari']Wow wtf are Knoell/UncleBob/foc /Clak/perdition/depascal22 doing here in the middle of the day?

Get a job you fucking government leeches. I'm paying for your food stamps you fucking welfare queens.[/QUOTE]

getting paid to post.
 
[quote name='UncleBob']Wow.

So, when you can no longer defend your position, you attack others. And you attack them basedon imaginary things as well.

Please find a quote from me - anywhere - where I said anything close to "all illegals are drug traffickers and smugglers".

As for the second part, while I don't think they should *all* be deported, I think any reasonable person can agree that there's a world of difference between thinking someone who's here illegally should be deported and "not even caring how they're treated." If living in Mexico is *so* bad that living there is worse than being abused, then instead of entertaining the Mexican President at the White House, we should be telling him to get his own damn house in order. Seems like he has better things to do than to eat a free meal paid with US taxpayer money.[/QUOTE]
Look i'll admit it, you and Knoell are basically interchangeable, if it wasn't you i'm sorry.
 
[quote name='IRHari']Wow wtf are Knoell/UncleBob/foc /Clak/perdition/depascal22 doing here in the middle of the day?

Get a job you fucking government leeches. I'm paying for your food stamps you fucking welfare queens.[/QUOTE]
Heh, I'm a state employee too, imagine that.:lol:
 
It wasnt me either....and I work third shift...

But you are sidetracking from your original point

are you saying that the border problem is all in our heads? because if it isn't all in our heads then it probably isn't the greatest thing when we have to tell people not to go into an area because we can't control it. Do you disagree that they are telling people this? Or are you disagreeing that it is a problem?

If we can agree there is a problem there, what do you think the solution is Clak?
 
[quote name='Clak']Look i'll admit it, i'm full of crap. i'm sorry.[/QUOTE]

There, I fixed your post for you. You can thank me later.
 
[quote name='Clak']:rofl: Bob, if i'm full of shit it's only because you've been filling my head with it.[/QUOTE]

When your entire defense to your faulty premise is that you're confused and can't tell the difference between letters like "U" and "K", then I think it's pretty obvious that you were full of it before I ever met you.
 
Can we all at least agree that maybe we, as a nation, should at least decide that this discussion/debate on how to handle illegal immigrants can wait until the border is secure?

I feel like all the people in our country arguing, rioting, protesting, and crying about this issue are like a bunch of sailors on a ship with a hole in it, arguing about what they should do with the water inside the ship.

I would assume that is a pretty hard thing to disagree with, but this forum has surprised me before...
 
[quote name='thrustbucket']Can we all at least agree that maybe we, as a nation, should at least decide that this discussion/debate on how to handle illegal immigrants can wait until the border is secure?

I feel like all the people in our country arguing, rioting, protesting, and crying about this issue are like a bunch of sailors on a ship with a hole in it, arguing about what they should do with the water inside the ship.

I would assume that is a pretty hard thing to disagree with, but this forum has surprised me before...[/QUOTE]

It's not a bad idea, but how do you deal with the "You can never secure the border!" people?
 
[quote name='thrustbucket']Can we all at least agree that maybe we, as a nation, should at least decide that this discussion/debate on how to handle illegal immigrants can wait until the border is secure?

I would assume that is a pretty hard thing to disagree with, but this forum has surprised me before...[/QUOTE]

Are you willing to spend whatever it takes to "close the border"?

Billions, tens of billions?
 
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