Attack on crowd at Denver Dark Knight Rises midnight showing

So I am not sure how many people here watch The Newsroom on HBO but all these inaccurate reports only shed light on how fucked up the news industry has become. I won't argue about the slant The Newsroom takes but it sure does a great job of pointing out how the media has become this huge circus trying to be "first" instead of "right". It might take days but until then anything being reported is almost speculation. Let the investigators do their job and give the official report. We all want answers and the media feeds off this reporting every bit of speculation and he said information. It make me sick.

My heart goes out to the families of this tragedy. And before we start talking about the reasons "why" I think a little education from Chris Rock is in order. Watch the whole thing but the main message starts at the 1:30 mark.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?gl=US&hl=en&client=mv-google&v=mq32_26Vpno&nomobile=1
 
[quote name='Taren Fox']Rep. Louie Gohmert, a Texas Republican, said Friday that the Aurora shooting was a result of "ongoing attacks on Judeo-Christian beliefs" and questioned why no one else in the theater was armed and ready to take the shooter out."

http://maddowblog.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2012/07/20/12856827-how-not-to-respond-to-a-tragedy?lite

What a POS.[/QUOTE]

Without turning this into the Vs. forum, I'll just say that Gohmert is pretty well accepted as the biggest moron on either side of the aisle. You'd do well to ignore any and everything you see with his name next to it.
 
[quote name='bvharris']Without turning this into the Vs. forum, I'll just say that Gohmert is pretty well accepted as the biggest moron on either side of the aisle. You'd do well to ignore any and everything you see with his name next to it.[/QUOTE]
Yeah, I really don't care about politics right now. This is NOT what mourning families want to hear from their nation's leaders.

Anyway,
http://www.examiner.com/article/alleged-dark-knight-massacre-shooter-may-have-issued-a-warning

According to Blottr.com (which calls itself "Europe's Fastest Breaking News Service"), someone calling himself "JamesHolmes124" posted a dire prediction on the site yesterday.
A screen cap shows the alleged warning, "Tomorrow I will kill everyone during the new Batman premiere in Colorado - People will die - for the glory of the Le 9gag army!"


The eerie thing about this is the name of the poster and the fact that this was posted yesterday. James Holmes is the 24-year old former University of Colorado medical student accused of shooting and gassing a theater in Aurora, Colorado, killing 12 and injuring 36.
Either it is one whopper of a coincidence that a 9gag.com user would have use that particular name 24 hours before the killings made James Holmes a nearly household name, or this was a warning posted by the alleged killer.
 
Sorry but Why is it wrong that people care more about Americans than shit that's happening in the middle east?

I *am* putting it into perspective. Stuff that's happens in my country is more important to me than shit that's happening in the middle east.

Local. Regional. National. International.
 
[quote name='cancerman1120'] I won't argue about the slant The Newsroom takes but it sure does a great job of pointing out how the media has become this huge circus trying to be "first" instead of "right".[/QUOTE]
I saw a thing on LA Times that said, "CELEBRITIES REACT TO SHOOTING" or something similar. That's where all the circus shit comes in. Who cares what some celebrities think?

Here's the article: http://www.latimes.com/entertainmen...rises-shooting20120720,0,5577350.photogallery

And then there's this shit: http://www.latimes.com/entertainmen...ds-dark-knight-rises-20120720,0,4533122.story

Do people really think this stuff helps? Is this how we grieve, on the backs of celebrities and pulling ads? Might as well stop showing the movie at all!
 
[quote name='Spokker']I saw a thing on LA Times that said, "CELEBRITIES REACT TO SHOOTING" or something similar. That's where all the circus shit comes in. Who cares what some celebrities think?

Here's the article: http://www.latimes.com/entertainmen...rises-shooting20120720,0,5577350.photogallery

And then there's this shit: http://www.latimes.com/entertainmen...ds-dark-knight-rises-20120720,0,4533122.story

Do people really think this stuff helps? Is this how we grieve, on the backs of celebrities and pulling ads? Might as well stop showing the movie at all![/QUOTE]
Celebs and politicians use tragedies for good PR and photo-ops. It's all an act. )-:
 
[quote name='Spokker']I saw a thing on LA Times that said, "CELEBRITIES REACT TO SHOOTING" or something similar. That's where all the circus shit comes in. Who cares what some celebrities think?

Here's the article: http://www.latimes.com/entertainmen...rises-shooting20120720,0,5577350.photogallery

And then there's this shit: http://www.latimes.com/entertainmen...ds-dark-knight-rises-20120720,0,4533122.story

Do people really think this stuff helps? Is this how we grieve, on the backs of celebrities and pulling ads? Might as well stop showing the movie at all![/QUOTE]

People do care, sad but true. We live in a celebrity-driven culture. Moreover, the media in this country is more concerned with profit than with decency or even facts (that can't come as news to anyone). The LA Times publishes that article because people will click on it. Discussing it and linking to it proves them right, not wrong.

But it should also be pointed out that news organizations have many different facets. Both of the articles you linked are clearly labeled entertainment. I'm sure the LA Times news division is covering things differently.
 
Didn't take long before the anti-gun morons came out of the woodwork. IF ONLY THERE HAD BEEN MORE LAWS!

You're ignoring the fact that murder is already illegal, and that didn't stop him. Do you really think he'd sooner follow gun laws than he would laws against murder? Get real.
 
[quote name='Temporaryscars']Didn't take long before the anti-gun morons came out of the woodwork. IF ONLY THERE HAD BEEN MORE LAWS!

You're ignoring the fact that murder is already illegal, and that didn't stop him. Do you really think he'd sooner follow gun laws than he would laws against murder? Get real.[/QUOTE]
Who cares about politics. 71 people were shot. Now's not the time.
 
Dark Knight Rises Shooter Could Have Been Stopped 'If Members Of The Audience Were Armed,' Says American Guns Star

If a member of the audience in the front row of that theater was carrying a gun and had the ability to effecively use it, that gunman could have been neutralized before he ever got a second round into the crowd," Renee Wyatt, the matriarch and business manager on Discovery's American Guns show told RadarOnline.com in an exclusive interview




Before setting out to commit the horrific massacre, Holmes left an unnamed song blasting out of his stereo, while a poster of Will Ferrell from the movie Anchorman hung in the kitchen.

http://www.radaronline.com/exclusives/2012/07/batman-dark-knight-rises-shooting-james-holmes
 
[quote name='Taren Fox']Who cares about politics. 71 people were shot. Now's not the time.[/QUOTE]

So should we all sit here and cry in silence? Kind of defeats the purpose of a discussion board. It's on topic. Now's the perfect time.
 
Fatality's avatar plus his posts are quite poignant. I have to agree with Snoop.

But I also think he should post what Dianne Feinstein and Bloomberg are up to: http://www.latimes.com/news/politic...s-gun-violence-issue-20120720,0,1362437.story

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2012/07/20/bloomberg-demands-gun-action-from-obama-and-romney/

So yeah, both sides are politicizing it. CNN has put up a middle-of-the-road type article, which I happen to agree with: http://www.cnn.com/2012/07/20/opinion/fox-mass-murder/index.html?iid=article_sidebar
 
I'm absolutely heart broken at what happened. This person took a happy event that a lot of people were anticipating and ruined it for them and probably ruined the theater experience for the rest of their lives. I really hope the victims and their families are able to heal from this.

Edit: I also hate how this has become a gun control issue, if there were stricter laws, that would not have changed anything. He would've still some how got those weapons and this still would've happened. What sucks is that the concealed weapon laws, even if that changed, I'm not sure that would've helped either, he was in full tactical gear and the room was filled with tear gas. No one wins in this situation.
 
[quote name='Beatofficer']
Edit: I also hate how this has become a gun control issue, if there were stricter laws, that would not have changed anything. He would've still some how got those weapons and this still would've happened. What sucks is that the concealed weapon laws, even if that changed, I'm not sure that would've helped either, he was in full tactical gear and the room was filled with tear gas. No one wins in this situation.[/QUOTE]
Sounds like you agree with the CNN article by James Alan Fox.
 
[quote name='Spokker']Sounds like you agree with the CNN article by James Alan Fox.[/QUOTE]


I haven't read it, so I'm not sure if that's a good thing or a bad thing.

Edit: After reading comments and the article, I keep seeing people say "We can do mental evaluations for permits, etc!" I don't think people understand that if someone wants to, they can make themselves seem completely sane and OK to own a gun, so that won't work. ugh
 
[quote name='snakemaster2389']because she died soon after she did her last tweet. I love Batman and I really hope that this doesn't give the Batman franchise a bad name now.[/QUOTE]

isnt the batman movie series over with anyways
 
[quote name='Fatality']Dark Knight Rises Shooter Could Have Been Stopped 'If Members Of The Audience Were Armed,' Says American Guns Star

If a member of the audience in the front row of that theater was carrying a gun and had the ability to effecively use it, that gunman could have been neutralized before he ever got a second round into the crowd," Renee Wyatt, the matriarch and business manager on Discovery's American Guns show told RadarOnline.com in an exclusive interview




Before setting out to commit the horrific massacre, Holmes left an unnamed song blasting out of his stereo, while a poster of Will Ferrell from the movie Anchorman hung in the kitchen.

http://www.radaronline.com/exclusives/2012/07/batman-dark-knight-rises-shooting-james-holmes[/QUOTE]

ummmm if im not wrong what i probally am...

One even if everyone had a gun noone could stopped it and more people would been shot... with all of the smoke you would not know what the hell your aiming at

And

Two didnt the reports coming out say that he had FULL PROTECTION that even if you shot him anywhere you would of not stop him.. had head gear, vest , leg protectors, Groin protectors , neck wrap

where they hell would you shot him


They keep saying he went though the BACK DOOR.... There is no way to access the movies i go though in the back door from the outside.... There is not even a handle you can pull on .... maybe a 2nd person inside let them in?
 
[quote name='slidecage']isnt the batman movie series over with anyways[/QUOTE]


They'll probably do what they've been doing the last 23 years and reboot Batman in like 3-4 years with different actors, director, etc.
 
This is so sad. I was going to take my son to the first showing on Sunday or Monday. I hope the movie doesn't get pulled because of this sick bastard. Why do sick people like this bastard turns an enjoyable outing into a shit storm. Now the media is stating that he was a loner and a gamer. As always they are going to check what music he listens to and what games he plays and slap the blame on an artist and/or a game( COD/shooters in general).
 
[quote name='Beatofficer']They'll probably do what they've been doing the last 23 years and reboot Batman in like 3-4 years with different actors, director, etc.[/QUOTE]
They have to, since the new movie will tie in with the Justice League movie they're planning.
 
[quote name='confoosious']Sorry but Why is it wrong that people care more about Americans than shit that's happening in the middle east?

I *am* putting it into perspective. Stuff that's happens in my country is more important to me than shit that's happening in the middle east.

Local. Regional. National. International.[/QUOTE]

For me personally, to quantify it, I care more about more deaths. 12 people are killed trying to watch Batman, and it's terrible and sad. 5-10,000 in Syria, including hundreds of children, and probably 75% of the people polled in the US wouldn't have a clue about it, or would be stumped trying to figure out where in the hell Syria is on a map. I look at it as arrogant to only care about what happens around us. Should I say because this is in Colorado and I'm in Oregon that I don't care? If that's the case, then does anybody outside of NYC, DC, and PA have any right to be saddened by 9/11?

As horrible as this act was, there are such massively heinous things going on right now, that treating this event like the next world war, or cultural phenomenon seems misguided.
 
[quote name='sherlock2g']This is so sad. I was going to take my son to the first showing on Sunday or Monday. I hope the movie doesn't get pulled because of this sick bastard. Why do sick people like this bastard turns an enjoyable outing into a shit storm. Now the media is stating that he was a loner and a gamer.[/QUOTE]The movie won't be pulled but the ads are being pulled and theaters are planning to beef up security.

Both are stupid movies but that's to be expected after such a tragedy. People can't think straight and do whatever they think they need to do. I usually don't go to the movies but I might to show that I'm not scared of mass murdering assholes. I don't think we should change how we do business because of them.
 
Prayers go out to all those affected by this horrific tragedy.

It's somewhat annoying to see people on Facebook who use this tragedy as a preposterous, self-serving "OMG DAT CULDEV BEN ME" angle—when they don't even live in Colorado. Even worse: People who use this as a "sign from God" to tell them that life could be worse. That's also selfish and idiotic. (And I'm a Christian.) Then, you have the moronic gun owners who change their profile photo to some unquestionably antagonistic "IMMA PROUD GUN OWNR" graphic because they a.) have an ugly wife, b.) are fat, and/or c.) have a small penis. Of course, on both my Twitter and Facebook feeds, it's nothing but half-witted gun control debates. "GUNZ R BAD" "NO GUNZ R GUD" "NO1 SHUD HUV GUNZ" "ERR1 SHULD HUV GUNZ" Nice job, social media.
 
[quote name='Spokker']Fatality's avatar plus his posts are quite poignant. I have to agree with Snoop.

But I also think he should post what Dianne Feinstein and Bloomberg are up to: http://www.latimes.com/news/politic...s-gun-violence-issue-20120720,0,1362437.story

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2012/07/20/bloomberg-demands-gun-action-from-obama-and-romney/

So yeah, both sides are politicizing it. CNN has put up a middle-of-the-road type article, which I happen to agree with: http://www.cnn.com/2012/07/20/opinion/fox-mass-murder/index.html?iid=article_sidebar[/QUOTE]



Im just posting stuff from TMZ and Radar online because how fucking stupid it is

im for guns have many hunting rifles in my house and I have never voted so I say fry him
 
[quote name='Chase']
It's somewhat annoying to see people on Facebook who use this tragedy as a preposterous, self-serving "OMG DAT CULDEV BEN ME" angle—when they don't even live in Colorado.[/QUOTE]
Oh, that's in the same league as, "OMG that happened right near where I live." Yes, you were in close proximity to a crime. Aren't you special.

[quote name='Fatality']Im just posting stuff from TMZ and Radar online because how fucking stupid it is [/QUOTE]
Keep them coming. I wasn't trying to cast aspersions on anything you might believe, of course. I'm just helping you expose the full range of stupidity out there. And again, love the avatar. It goes great with the links.
 
[quote name='berzirk']For me personally, to quantify it, I care more about more deaths. 12 people are killed trying to watch Batman, and it's terrible and sad. 5-10,000 in Syria, including hundreds of children, and probably 75% of the people polled in the US wouldn't have a clue about it, or would be stumped trying to figure out where in the hell Syria is on a map. I look at it as arrogant to only care about what happens around us. Should I say because this is in Colorado and I'm in Oregon that I don't care? If that's the case, then does anybody outside of NYC, DC, and PA have any right to be saddened by 9/11?

As horrible as this act was, there are such massively heinous things going on right now, that treating this event like the next world war, or cultural phenomenon seems misguided.[/QUOTE]


You can care about syria all you want. That's your prerogative. But why do you get to decide that 12 deaths in colorado are not as important as x deaths somewhere else? Or that we should care about Syria at all? Or that we should care about Colorado at all?

Or that because people do care about 12 deaths that something is wrong?

The fact that 12 people were killed in an American movie theater has more of an impact on my life, albeit very minimally. I might think twice about going to a midnight show because some dickhead decided to ruin a fun time.

I do know for a fact that I'm never gonna get firebombed at a funeral though.

This sounds like one of those stupid gargus arguments: "my cousin died of cancer and nobody gave a shit but steve jobs dies and they are lionizing him." Well, of course, dipship, I didn't know your cousin but Steve Jobs created my mac that I use every day.

People care about things that are close to them or affect them personally. A shooting in America at a theater affects more people because almost everyone goes to the movies. It's only natural that people would be freaked out.

I do agree with Chase that there are a bunch of idiots on facebook who are blowing this way out of proportion. But that's social media for you: bunch of dumbasses with a platform.
 
[quote name='confoosious']You can care about syria all you want. That's your prerogative. But why do you get to decide that 12 deaths in colorado are not as important as x deaths somewhere else? Or that we should care about Syria at all?

Or that because people do care about 12 deaths that something is wrong?[/QUOTE]

Aren't you choosing to do the exact opposite? I'm not saying either one of us is wrong, just that I wish larger attrocities would get the same coverage. I'm not deciding anything, I'm just doing the same thing you are; having an opinion, and sharing it.

I do think that choosing to only care about what happens in your backyard makes for a pretty miserable world view and fits inline with the stereotype of the uninformed, self-centered, ignorant, American, that so many international travelers get judged by when abroad.

But in summary, of course, all of this is opinion. I don't not-care about the shooting, I just care far less than I do about higher casualty mass murder elsewhere, but really my biggest issue is the celebrity status that this event, and now the shooter are receiving.

I would wager a guess and say you probably have the same probability of dying in a movie theater shootout while watching a midnight showing of Batman, than you do of being "firebombed" (who in the hell gets "firebombed" at a funeral) at a cemetary. Don't quote me on that, but if you're fearful, it's probably time to start carrying a fire extinguisher everywhere you go.
 
[quote name='berzirk']
I do think that choosing to only care about what happens in your backyard makes for a pretty miserable world view and fits inline with the stereotype of the uninformed, self-centered, ignorant, American, that so many international travelers get judged by when abroad.
[/QUOTE]

Dood, you know that's not fair.
 
[quote name='slidecage']

They keep saying he went though the BACK DOOR.... There is no way to access the movies i go though in the back door from the outside.... There is not even a handle you can pull on .... maybe a 2nd person inside let them in?[/QUOTE]

Anderson Cooper just posted this.

A law enforcement source tells CNN’s Ed Lavandera that James Holmes purchased a ticket and walked into the Aurora, CO movie theater. Then he snuck out an exit door and left the door propped open. He geared up, gathered weapons and walked back into theater 9 through the exit door.
 
Jesus, how many people in Syria give a rats ass about what happened in Colorado or even 911?

If you were knocking on death's door, I guarantee you that people in Colorado would be quicker to lend you a hand than anyone from Syria.

I care about this event because it happened in my country. Call me ignorant, but I don't live in Syria and and they don't live here. They don't care about you, me or anyone in the US and I don't stick my nose in the air towards them because of it.

Why bring that shit up in the first place? There always has to be some holier than thou person who shits all over some tragedy.
 
The reason why people hate Americans abroad is that we are self-centered tourists who don't bother to learn 2 fucking words of a foreign language and instead start every sentence with "do you speak english?'

And cause we're fat fucks who are obnoxiously loud.

I don't think people care that we don't know what's going on politically in their country when we go visit. I'm not gonna hate on a foreign tourist here because they don't know the difference between Obama and Romney. Or that they didn't know we had a mall shooting recently. But if they're obnoxious and get in my way, then, yeah, fuck em. But I don't care about their politics or whether they know enough about ours. Just spend your money and help my economy. Thank you and have a nice day.


Who cares about that stuff? Syria (unless our government decides to meddle and cost me tax dollars) doesn't affect me one iota. We've got enough problems. You wanna help someone? Start with our own backyard.
 
[quote name='antlp89']Jesus, how many people in Syria give a rats ass about what happened in Colorado or even 911?[/QUOTE]

Colorado? Probably very few. 911? I would guess a bunch. Haven't polled them to know for sure.

If you were knocking on death's door, I guarantee you that people in Colorado would be quicker to lend you a hand than anyone from Syria.
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I guarantee you would be completely wrong. What a dazzlingly ignorant thing to say! There are a lot of wonderful Syrian people. A couple of the most charitable people I have ever met are Syrian, and I have a dozen or so dear Syrian friends.

I care about this event because it happened in my country. Call me ignorant, but I don't live in Syria and and they don't live here. They don't care about you, me or anyone in the US and I don't stick my nose in the air towards them because of it.
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My God. Is the middle east on another planet or something? This might be a shock, but they also eat, sleep, and poop, and they also want what's best for their kid's, their neighbors, and the world as a whole. Compassion is not an exclusively American principle.

Why bring that shit up in the first place? There always has to be some holier than thou person who shits all over some tragedy.
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Sorry you feel that way. Next time I'll be sure to have you screen posts before I'm about to make them.
 
I think we are confusing not caring with not knowing. I know about both, I care more about the CO shooting. Maybe that is insensitive but I think most people feel like this. Care is also maybe not being used correctly. In this case caring means how relevant I feel it is in my life not whether I have empathy for people in a tragedy.
 
[quote name='berzirk']
I guarantee you would be completely wrong. What a dazzlingly ignorant thing to say! There are a lot of wonderful Syrian people. A couple of the most charitable people I have ever met are Syrian, and I have a dozen or so dear Syrian friends. [/QUOTE]

This is your problem. You have a more direct connection therefore you care MORE. We are only saying something that happens closer to home is most relevant to us. It says nothing about our ability to know world events or feel compassion for others.
 
[quote name='cancerman1120']I think we are confusing not caring with not knowing. I know about both, I care more about the CO shooting. Maybe that is insensitive but I think most people feel like this. Care is also maybe not being used correctly. In this case caring means how relevant I feel it is in my life not whether I have empathy for people in a tragedy.[/QUOTE]

Very well put. I'm definitely not trying to slam individuals for weighing one event differently than another. From my first post, my frustration has been regarding the media coverage, and the circus that this has become. Celebrities Tweeting about some girl they read two lines about and now adore, all kinds of descriptions of this guy, what he did, soon, what he ate, which hand he wiped with. It's going to be totally out of control, and overshadow more newsworthy stories (at least newsworthy to me).

Thanks for the comment, it's nice to have civil conversations here on CAG too! :D
 
celebrities and the people who worship them are fucking retarded.

that doesn't mean that the average american joe is in the wrong with not caring about syria.
 
[quote name='Soodmeg']What are we talking about?[/QUOTE]
Over reactionary responses from celebs like when that whole incident with trayvon martin happened.
 
The thing about this that really makes me sad is that some of the best memory's I have are the night I went to Deathly Hallows pt 2 midnight. The last thing on my mind that night was someone shooting the theater up. I was there to enjoy a movie from a franchise I was in love with. It's supposed to be an amazing night,filled with months (if not years) of anticipation,to see your favorite franchise grand exit. Then some stupid fuck decides to go to extreme lengths to ruin the night,and the rest of their lives forever.
 
It's sad because honestly this type of thing could happen anywhere and at any time and it only takes one sick fuck to make it actually happen like this. It's insane to me that stuff like this doesn't happen more often in America, but if it did, we would live in such a constricted limited society. It baffles the mind what mentality even fathoms doing something like this let alone around the world every day in places we don't set foot in. sigh. humans are fucked.
 
[quote name='AshesofWake']It's sad because honestly this type of thing could happen anywhere and at any time and it only takes one sick fuck to make it actually happen like this. It's insane to me that stuff like this doesn't happen more often in America, but if it did, we would live in such a constricted limited society. It baffles the mind what mentality even fathoms doing something like this let alone around the world every day in places we don't set foot in. sigh. humans are fucked.[/QUOTE]

It's extremely true. Honestly, an attack like this could affect people more than even 9/11. That might sound crazy, but think about it: common places that people go, where there is little/no security. Not to say this was an intentional act of terrorism, but the idea that normal activities you do every day could be dangerous, that can mess you up. Just imagine if something like this happened in a Wal-Mart. Ultimately, you can't be afraid to live your life. But still, it makes you think.
 
[quote name='n8rockerasu']It's extremely true. Honestly, an attack like this could affect people more than even 9/11. That might sound crazy, but think about it: common places that people go, where there is little/no security. Not to say this was an intentional act of terrorism, but the idea that normal activities you do every day could be dangerous, that can mess you up. Just imagine if something like this happened in a Wal-Mart. Ultimately, you can't be afraid to live your life. But still, it makes you think.[/QUOTE]

It's terrifying to think such an attack could happen any day any time at a shopping mall we can all frequent. It really makes my hair stand up straight and I'm one hairy dude. It's really sad. But at the same time can't stop living your life. Society does what it can to prevent such instances from happening and you have to live your life the best you can, I dunno. sigh.
 
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