Batman: The Dark Knight - Movie Thread - $158.3 Million First Weekend

[quote name='thater']I think Bane could work, but later on, not now.

I think the third movie should revolve around Gotham's witch hunt for Batman. It should also introduce Talia al Ghul and bring back Ra's al Ghul. Gotham's turn against Batman would present Ra's with the chance to once again try to persuade Bruce Wayne to become his successor. As for the villain on the side of this story, I think Nolan can produce a Firefly that would be believable and an actual threat. Ra's can point to Firefly's antics to show Bruce, that no matter what, Batman will never have the chance to rest and that he can only help one city as Batman. But as leader of the League of Shadows, he can fight injustice across the whole world. Nolan can have Rachael's death continue to haunt Bruce, and make him fight against the taking of lives because he knows as the leader of League of Shadows, he would have to do just that. I truly think that Nolan can make this a compelling and believable story, as well as find a believable way for Batman to decline the offer from Ra's.
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While a solid idea, I don't know if people would positively receive Ra's's return.

In all honesty, though, I just cannot see how Nolan could top The Dark Knight. It has set ridiculously high expectations for the presumptive third film.

Also, while I like Johnny Depp, I do not want a replacement for Ledger. He is the definitive Joker, and to bring in someone else, even Depp, would fail to capture the brilliance of Ledger's Joker. Plus, I have a feeling Depp would come off more wacky than sinister, which would be a bad thing in this case.

If Joker does return, I still stick with my idea:

"Oh, and I expect Bats will seek counsel from Joker at Arkham (like how Spidey sought counsel from Normie). I suppose, if he wanted, Nolan could use lighting, body doubles, and what-ever-voice-technique-they-used to bring Ledger back as The Joker.

If Bats does seek advice from The Joker, then I suppose his latest foe would have to be an unpredictable loon. I think Riddler would be a nice fit given the hypothetical situation."

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[quote name='thater']I think Bane could work, but later on, not now.

I think the third movie should revolve around Gotham's witch hunt for Batman. It should also introduce Talia al Ghul and bring back Ra's al Ghul. Gotham's turn against Batman would present Ra's with the chance to once again try to persuade Bruce Wayne to become his successor. As for the villain on the side of this story, I think Nolan can produce a Firefly that would be believable and an actual threat. Ra's can point to Firefly's antics to show Bruce, that no matter what, Batman will never have the chance to rest and that he can only help one city as Batman. But as leader of the League of Shadows, he can fight injustice across the whole world. Nolan can have Rachael's death continue to haunt Bruce, and make him fight against the taking of lives because he knows as the leader of League of Shadows, he would have to do just that. I truly think that Nolan can make this a compelling and believable story, as well as find a believable way for Batman to decline the offer from Ra's.
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Didn't I just say that a few post back?
 
[quote name='LinkinPrime']:dunce: I can't believe I missed that pun...and I saw it twice already.[/QUOTE]

Same with me. I never even thought about it when I saw the movie. I'm thinking about seeing it again payday. I would love to see it on imax but dont know of where one would be showing this in the St. louis mo area.

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She thought she new Bruce, but she really didn't. She was settling for Harvey because she thought Bruce would never change. Had Bruce saved her it would have confirmed her suspicions and she would never be with him.
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Well he was headed to save her.

[quote name='Snake2715']I also think its going to lose its steam on the third one if they are not careful. If they try to replace the Joker wtih another actor it will probably actually cause issues. This is going to be an interesting watch as i think they are on thin ice for potential to ruin another installment.

I hope they can prove me wrong.[/QUOTE]

I'm thinking the same thing. I don't see this going past 3 movies 4 tops. I would have loved to see the last movie going down as batman and Joker killing each other. However that will not happen and would piss off alot of fans and chances are people at DC and WB.

[quote name='chasemurata']While a solid idea, I don't know if people would positively receive Ra's's return.

In all honesty, though, I just cannot see how Nolan could top The Dark Knight. It has set ridiculously high expectations for the presumptive third film.

Also, while I like Johnny Depp, I do not want a replacement for Ledger. He is the definitive Joker, and to bring in someone else, even Depp, would fail to capture the brilliance of Ledger's Joker. Plus, I have a feeling Depp would come off more wacky than sinister, which would be a bad thing in this case.

If Joker does return, I still stick with my idea:

"Oh, and I expect Bats will seek counsel from Joker at Arkham (like how Spidey sought counsel from Normie). I suppose, if he wanted, Nolan could use lighting, body doubles, and what-ever-voice-technique-they-used to bring Ledger back as The Joker.

If Bats does seek advice from The Joker, then I suppose his latest foe would have to be an unpredictable loon. I think Riddler would be a nice fit given the hypothetical situation."

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I feel the same as much as I would love to see the Joker in another movie. However in this series I don't think it should happen but in another 10 years or so when they redo it again if they do then bring him back, seeing how it will be a new batman movie series. I still think Depp would be a good Riddler as long as he does not play the character like Jim Carrey. I think Depp could make the Riddler darker and would fit that character better then Joker.
 
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I didn't think there was. Maybe their will be one some time in the next few years however I dont see that happening.
 
I think there is only one IMAX around here that is playing Batman. It's a bit far though so I'll probably go sometime this week. I don't mind seeing Dark Knight again.
 
[quote name='ITDEFX']Didn't I just say that a few post back?[/QUOTE]

Did not see it. I just now went back further then I did before, I looked earlier but saw pages of not liking Bale's Batman growl and then people not liking Maggie as Rachael, and stopped.

You did mention Ra's and Talia, but did not flesh out why or what they would be doing. And, Nolan's 2 Batman movies so far have not focused on one villain or group. It adds to the fact that this stuff is not happening in a vacuum. He doesn't have all day to fight just one criminal. There is panic in this town and many people causing it. Keeping the audience from focusing on one thing or villain adds to the chaos and adds to the feeling that Batman is facing a task that is unsurmountable. We get to not only see the wear and tear on Bruce, but can also feel it ands its depth. I think a Firefly, properly done, can get Gotham to accept its need for Batman, whether or not it truly wants it. I also think with a lot of factors in his life right now, that Bruce would at least listen to Ra's and not start kicking his ass at the sight of him. Or rather, fight while listening to him a bit like a lot of the dialog between the two in Batman Begins while Bruce was training.

Having Joker in later movies was indeed the thought going into making Dark Knight, but the Batman canon has many avenues to draw from. This new Nolan Gotham is not yet fleshed out enough for a Bane Knightfall-type story. Nolan has stated that he is not a fan of the Penguin. It just does not feel right for a Catwoman at this time. In this "real" Gotham, Firefly just seems easy to be made believable and more then just the nuisance that the Riddler probably would be.
 
After seeing it a third time, I think I finally have a complete grasp on the Joker/Dent/Rachel/Batman/Gordon situation.

At first, I believed that the Joker sent Batman purposely to get Dent because he wanted to corrupt Dent. I no longer believe this, especially after hearing how Joker doesn't really have a plan.

In the interrogation room, the Joker says something to the effect of "Seeing you go after her like that, I would've sworn it was Dent. Does he know you have a thing for his girl?" and Batman beat the holy shit out of him. As he lay on the ground, he said he wouldn't give up the locations. When Batman lifts him up, he suddenly changes his mind and mixes the locations so Batman will lose Rachel, knowing what this will do to Batman. Joker even looks like he's thinking while delivering his address line and mixing up the addresses.

As he leaves, Gordon asks who he's going for. He shouts "Rachel!". Gordon says that he and a team will go after Dent. Batman takes off. Gordon calls for backup for the 522nd S West Avenue location, or whatever the numbers were, because he believes Dent is there and they want to extract him quickly. Meanwhile, Batman pulls up to Avenue X and busts in, thinking he's about to get Rachel out of there, only to find Dent. Gordon arrives with his crew, Rachel goes Boom.

Plus, Rachel was Joker's next target anyway. Her name was on the nametag on the guy in the ambulance and Dent even told her that she was the next target before telling her to head to Bruce's manor.
 
[quote name='Scorch']After seeing it a third time, I think I finally have a complete grasp on the Joker/Dent/Rachel/Batman/Gordon situation.

At first, I believed that the Joker sent Batman purposely to get Dent because he wanted to corrupt Dent. I no longer believe this, especially after hearing how Joker doesn't really have a plan.

In the interrogation room, the Joker says something to the effect of "Seeing you go after her like that, I would've sworn it was Dent. Does he know you have a thing for his girl?" and Batman beat the holy shit out of him. As he lay on the ground, he said he wouldn't give up the locations. When Batman lifts him up, he suddenly changes his mind and mixes the locations so Batman will lose Rachel, knowing what this will do to Batman. Joker even looks like he's thinking while delivering his address line and mixing up the addresses.

As he leaves, Gordon asks who he's going for. He shouts "Rachel!". Gordon says that he and a team will go after Dent. Batman takes off. Gordon calls for backup for the 522nd S West Avenue location, or whatever the numbers were, because he believes Dent is there and they want to extract him quickly. Meanwhile, Batman pulls up to Avenue X and busts in, thinking he's about to get Rachel out of there, only to find Dent. Gordon arrives with his crew, Rachel goes Boom.

Plus, Rachel was Joker's next target anyway. Her name was on the nametag on the guy in the ambulance and Dent even told her that she was the next target before telling her to head to Bruce's manor.
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I'm not sure what to say. I immediately figured out that was the Joker's plan. He knew Batman would want to save Rachel, and took a beating and then "gave in" so Batman would believe him. Rachel was doomed either way, and Batman was played a fool. I, honestly, thought that was rather obvious.
 
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I'm not sure what to say. I immediately figured out that was the Joker's plan. He knew Batman would want to save Rachel, and took a beating and then "gave in" so Batman would believe him. Rachel was doomed either way, and Batman was played a fool. I, honestly, thought that was rather obvious.
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I completely agree with you. Joker always has a plan. He just makes you think he doesn't, but in reality he has a plan from the start and is just pulling strings like a puppet master. He knows how people think and what they'll do so he sets them up. He's a genius in my mind. Not just some crazy guy.
 
I can't wait to hear the audio commentary by the director and writer of this movie. It would have been nice to hear a commentary from HL but is untimely passing will make this impossible.
 
that cat is scary/ugly. anyway, saw the movie and loved it. will watch it again soon. i was a bit sad thinking about heath afterwards.
 
Holy Sh*t, this movie was AWESOME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! especially in IMAX...Then seeing WALL E afterwards for free was even better
 
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[quote name='Lice']well it only has 60k votes compared to the two below it which are near 300k, but i cant imagine an influx of negative reviews, looks like its going to stay there[/QUOTE]

yeah i really dont see that score dropping...
pretty incredible.

oh and because i love this scene...
joker_nurse.jpg
 
I can't believe
Joker could get away with dressing up like a cop and walk the streets without anyone noticing something was wrong with his face.
 
[quote name='ITDEFX']I can't believe
Joker could get away with dressing up like a cop and walk the streets without anyone noticing something was wrong with his face.
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Now that you mention it, I remember being a little annoyed at that too.

I like that he does his own dirty work, though, instead of getting some nameless goon to do it.
 
Again, I would prefer it if they didn't recast the role of The Joker (as Ledger was beyond brilliant), but if anyone were given the task, I would prefer it to be Crispin Glover. I think he has the right presence for the role. I don't want a pretty boy Joker (see: Johnny Depp). For Whedon's sake, Depp was even attractive as Sweeney Todd. But yes, if they recast the role, I hope they give Crispin Glover the opportunity.
 
[quote name='gotrice415510']wat does imax do that a regular theatre couldnt? i mean really.... wats the benefit?[/quote]

Everything! I only saw IMAX once and that was 10 years ago on a school field trip. I remember there was this one scene where the camera crew were riding in a truck across the desert and all I did the whole time was grab my sit and pray that I didn't fall the fuck off the truck, even though I wasn't on the truck. It was amazing! Probably the coolest field trip ever.
 
[quote name='gotrice415510']wat does imax do that a regular theatre couldnt? i mean really.... wats the benefit?[/quote]

I presume you meant to ask, "How would watching The Dark Knight at an IMAX theater differ from a normal theater?"

Less general, more topical. ;)

Well, honestly, other than IMAX 3D, it would be a general answer. Larger resolution and screen, better sound, and a more... consuming... experience. I'll toss in the ability to seize for free. ;)

That said, I prefer regular theaters as all IMAX theaters in my city are located in casinos. Ugh. I hate casinos.
 
Ledger was awesome as Joker, but he's replaceable. Yes, I said it. I think a lot of people forget he isn't the one that wrote the movie, he was only reading the lines. Everybody says "oh, Ledger's Joker was amazing!" No, it wasn't HIS Joker. It's not like they auditioned for Batman villains and he showed up with his idea for the Joker. All you need is somebody to come in with a creepy clown voice and I wouldn't notice the difference.
 
[quote name='guyver2077']Supposedly ledger took the role very seriously...keeping to himself etc during rehearsals[/QUOTE]

Not according to Bale who said the whole, "His role drove him to killing himself" comments are BS.
 
[quote name='nickmad']yeah i really dont see that score dropping...
pretty incredible.

oh and because i love this scene...
joker_nurse.jpg
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Where'd you get that image? I've been looking for one in particular when he has that outfit on.
 
[quote name='TimPV3']Ledger was awesome as Joker, but he's replaceable. Yes, I said it. I think a lot of people forget he isn't the one that wrote the movie, he was only reading the lines. Everybody says "oh, Ledger's Joker was amazing!" No, it wasn't HIS Joker. It's not like they auditioned for Batman villains and he showed up with his idea for the Joker. All you need is somebody to come in with a creepy clown voice and I wouldn't notice the difference.[/QUOTE]

That is all true but what people are getting at is the way he played the part. Sure you could say that, that was in part due to the directing but still it all comes down to how the part was played. He played the part really well.

[quote name='seanr1221']Not according to Bale who said the whole, "His role drove him to killing himself" comments are BS.[/QUOTE]

That still doesnt say that he didn't take the role seriously. Also last I heard he didn't kill himself. Nothing ever came out saying that he took his own life. He ODed on sleep meds. Sure he know he took more then what he was to take but he chnaces are didnt know that the amount he took would kill him. I OD on meds all the time because what it says to take does not work.
 
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[quote name='TimPV3']Ledger was awesome as Joker, but he's replaceable. Yes, I said it. I think a lot of people forget he isn't the one that wrote the movie, he was only reading the lines. Everybody says "oh, Ledger's Joker was amazing!" No, it wasn't HIS Joker. It's not like they auditioned for Batman villains and he showed up with his idea for the Joker. All you need is somebody to come in with a creepy clown voice and I wouldn't notice the difference.[/QUOTE]

Its not just that though. Ledger had all the mannerisms down. He knew the character well and he improvised some parts like
clapping while in the jail
. Ledger did an awesome job and I hope that they don't bring the Joker back for quite a while.
 
[quote name='LinkinPrime']Where'd you get that image? I've been looking for one in particular when he has that outfit on.[/quote]

google image search for "joker nurse"

also came up with this gem...
joker3-3.jpg
 
Off the topic of Ledger for a second...

I watched this last night (best movie i've seen in a while) and during the scene where
the joker is in the middle of the road after falling out of the overturned truck and telling batman to run him over, after he swerves out of the way, I said "pussy" out loud, not really meaning to, and like all 4 rows in front of me and my friends started laughing. It was epic.
 
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