Battlefield 3- Premium announced; 4 new expansions

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I thought that video looked ok, it didn't really set my world on fire.

I'm still hyped for the game though, the BF games are the only shooters I really enjoy online.
 
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[quote name='CoffeeEdge']I was promised "real gameplay footage." That is obviously scripted bullshit.

fuck this series.[/QUOTE]
Everyone is primarily attacking you for that statement, everything else is just snowballed from that. Gameplay footage, no matter how scripted, is still gameplay footage. MoH SP was more or less entirely scripted. Does that mean I didn't play a game when I played the SP?

You may not be trolling, but you're taking a single player trailer way the hell out of context.
 
Fine, it's gameplay. But the gameplay looks unremarkable, and not different from any other big scripted shooting gallery FPS out right now.

I just want to know how it "shits on" CoD.
 
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Tanks. Tanks and more Tanks.

I've played tons of COD4, MW2 and BC2 and still continue to play BC2. Its just a difference of opinion and preference whether one shits on another. I played BO for about a day with friends and we all got tired of it. There are pros and cons to each game, but I'd rather play BF over COD anyday.
 
[quote name='xtreme_Zr2']Tanks. Tanks and more Tanks.

I've played tons of COD4, MW2 and BC2 and still continue to play BC2. Its just a difference of opinion and preference whether one shits on another. I played BO for about a day with friends and we all got tired of it. There are pros and cons to each game, but I'd rather play BF over COD anyday.[/QUOTE]

This is pretty much how I feel about the Battlefield vs. CoD debate. It comes down to personal preference. I played quite a bit of CoD4 on PC and have tried the newer CoD games since and I have realized that CoD multiplayer is just not my cup of tea. I have put hundreds of hours into the Battlefield games since 1942 and this is just my preference but I feel that the BF games are ahead of the CoD games in a bunch of areas.

- dice usually does a pretty good job of balancing vehicles in the games
- I really like the squads and the amount of teamwork that is needed in the game, the CoD games really don't encourage much teamwork at all
- destructable environments change the way you have to play, you can't camp in a building because eventually the building will get blown up
- I prefer the overall pace of the BF games more than the CoD games, I feel that the CoD games put too much emphasis on your reaction time
- There are other things to like the sound, the way the guns handle, gun recoil, etc.

CoffeeEdge, I'm not really sure what you want from people in here. You talk about us getting all excited over a couple minutes of gameplay and don't seem to understand why we are excited. You are definitely entitled to think that but on the other hand you are labeling BF3 as "just another modern military shooter" based on the same 2 minutes of gameplay.

As for myself I can't wait for this game and admit that I prefer the BF series over any other MP series.
 
[quote name='CoffeeEdge']Fine, it's gameplay. But the gameplay looks unremarkable, and not different from any other big scripted shooting gallery FPS out right now.

I just want to know how it "shits on" CoD.[/QUOTE]


Why does it bother you so much? If you don't like it then don't buy it. Why do you care so much? You are judging a games gameplay from a 3 minute video. Really?
 
I don't want to add to the drama, but to be honest I'd rather see this game underperform and not bring over the CoD fanboys. The BC2 community is leaps and bounds better than the shit that I've had to deal with in MW2.

Back On Subject - Both "gameplay" videos I've seen look fantastic! I cannot wait for this game!!
 
[quote name='slickkill77']Why does it bother you so much? If you don't like it then don't buy it. Why do you care so much? You are judging a games gameplay from a 3 minute video. Really?[/QUOTE]

It bothers me, because these franchises and their horrible dumbed-down lowest-common-denominator conventions are fucking killing the FPS genre, which on the whole has been on a massive downward spiral for over 5 years (ever since Call of Duty 2, at least), pretty much.
 
I'm excited about BF3, but I still wish DICE had made BF:Vietnam 2 instead of just the mod for BC2. I'm afraid full servers are going to die down once BF3 drops. Maybe I'll be tired of those 5 maps by then, but I'm still really enjoying Vietnam.
 
Looking forward to this. Graphically its looking like one of the best games we can get for console. Would love to see some multiplayer vids to see how that looks as well.
 
[quote name='ucantcme69']Looking forward to this. Graphically its looking like one of the best games we can get for console. Would love to see some multiplayer vids to see how that looks as well.[/QUOTE]

Again, this footage is most likely from a highend PC. The master copy is the PC version. Don't get your hopes up for the same results graphically on consoles.
 
[quote name='lordopus99']Again, this footage is most likely from a highend PC. The master copy is the PC version. Don't get your hopes up for the same results graphically on consoles.[/QUOTE]
It's also very carefully scripted, being played in an extremely restricted and specific way (no, that building demolition at the end isn't dynamic real-time destruction; it's a pre-baked/pre-calculated physics animation just being played back when triggered by the rocket launcher; it'll happen the same way every time no matter where you aim that rocket, as long as it hits the boundary box they set), which I'm not really going to criticize anymore, because hey, straight-line interactive shooting galleries that give the (easily seen-through) illusion of actual dynamic events are the norm for FPSes now, and that has to do with the events going on, more than the environments.

The damning part about the actual graphics, this time, comes at 0:23. That motion blur was blatantly done via post-processing. I'm sure the actual motion blur will look fine, but that was definitely touched up via post-processing.

The point I'm trying to get to here, is don't get your hopes up for quite the same results graphically on PC, either. Not that motion blur, at least.

But, what bit of this is actually representative of the game, is indeed most definitely from the PC version. No way are they pulling off ambient occlusion like that on a console. That all looks quite nice.
 
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[quote name='TheRock88'] youtube video[/QUOTE]

Thanks for the video :) I don't understand why they do that; just play the game for fun.

[quote name='slickkill77']Heres the link again[/QUOTE]

Great stuff :D I'm with ucantcme69; they should show us what they have for multiplayer already.

[quote name='CoffeeEdge']It's also very carefully scripted, being played in an extremely restricted and specific way (no, that building demolition at the end isn't dynamic real-time destruction; it's a pre-baked/pre-calculated physics animation just being played back when triggered by the rocket launcher; it'll happen the same way every time no matter where you aim that rocket, as long as it hits the boundary box they set), which I'm not really going to criticize anymore, because hey, straight-line interactive shooting galleries that give the (easily seen-through) illusion of actual dynamic events are the norm for FPSes now, and that has to do with the events going on, more than the environments.

The damning part about the actual graphics, this time, comes at 0:23. That motion blur was blatantly done via post-processing. I'm sure the actual motion blur will look fine, but that was definitely touched up via post-processing.

The point I'm trying to get to here, is don't get your hopes up for quite the same results graphically on PC, either. Not that motion blur, at least.

But, what bit of this is actually representative of the game, is indeed most definitely from the PC version. No way are they pulling off ambient occlusion like that on a console. That all looks quite nice.[/QUOTE]

No need for all that extra blabber, what's in red would have been just fine for us.
 
[quote name='htown01']No need for all that extra blabber, what's in red would have been just fine for us.[/QUOTE]

No, actually, there is a need for that "blabber," unless you're an apologist for bullshit doctored gameplay videos.

Seriously, just go ahead and say it: "I condone and think that it's appropriate for publishers to deliberately misrepresent the graphical quality of their games by adding rendered post-processing effects to gameplay videos that are not possible in real-time. Outright deception is acceptable marketing. This is how consumers deserve to be treated. It is wrong for us to question publisher claims whatsoever. Consumer drones everywhere, unite against those who dare to complain. All hail EA."

Your sig gives you away, though. Critical discussion of this sort of thing, about this series in particular, isn't of interest to you. You're here to join the fan-gushing. That's your prerogative and I absolutely hope you enjoy yourself, and I wouldn't think to try to stop you from doing as you please, but likewise, it is not your prerogative to try to prevent me from posting anything actually critical or analytical. Two-way street.
 
I'm looking forward to this game and don't understand all the COD vs BF hate. Not everyone likes the same thing, so what. When I see someone talking smack it just looks like they don't feel their game can measure up so they have to take up for it n
 
[quote name='Dr.Zoidberg'][...] don't understand all the COD vs BF hate. Not everyone likes the same thing, so what.[/QUOTE]

Here's the ironic part: they're pretty much the same.
 
[quote name='CoffeeEdge']Here's the ironic part: they're pretty much the same.[/QUOTE]

If we are talking about mainline BF games (1942, BF2, ect.) then this statement is overflowing with horseshit. Battlefield 2, for instance, plays NOTHING like any CoD game. It's clearly an "apples to oranges" situation there.
 
The game looks pretty. I'm a fan of Battlefield, so this should be great. I love Bad Company 2. Comparisons may be made, but I enjoy the Battlefield and Call of Duty games. Both have a lot more positives than negatives. :)
 
[quote name='CoffeeEdge']Here's the ironic part: they're pretty much the same.[/QUOTE]

I cannot possible cringe any more after reading a post. This is coming from someone who talks down to people and acts like he is the one person in here being objective and not joining in on the "gushing". :wall:
 
[quote name='cgarb84']If we are talking about mainline BF games (1942, BF2, ect.) then this statement is overflowing with horseshit.[/QUOTE]

Of course I'm not. But if you think BF3 is going to be anything like 1942 or BF2 or BFVietnam, you're sorely mistaken. The name is false advertising; BF3 is obviously more Bad Company 3 than a true Battlefield 3, just with a new set of (hopefully less cornball) characters and a more generic middle-eastern urban desert warfare scenario for the singleplayer.

They can talk about better graphics on PC or whatever, but the bottom line is this is a multiplatform game, and no game made in that paradigm could ever be the true successor to BF2. With BF2, the console version was a truly distinct, separate game based on the PC version, but specifically derived from it, released months later, unlike BF3, which is being developed simultaneously for all platforms, for a simultaneous release.
 
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[quote name='CoffeeEdge']Of course I'm not. But if you think BF3 is going to be anything like 1942 or BF2 or BFVietnam, you're sorely mistaken. The name is false advertising; BF3 is obviously more Bad Company 3 than a true Battlefield 3, just with a new set of (hopefully less cornball) characters and a more generic middle-eastern urban desert warfare scenario for the singleplayer.

They can talk about better graphics on PC or whatever, but the bottom line is this is a multiplatform game, and no game made in that paradigm could ever be the true successor to BF2. With BF2, the console version was a truly distinct, separate game based on the PC version, but specifically derived from it, released months later, unlike BF3, which is being developed simultaneously for all platforms, for a simultaneous release.[/QUOTE]

:dunce:

We get it. You don't like the game. You've made your point. No need to continually argue and pound your anti BF3 views. GO THE fuck AWAY ALREADY.
 
Two way street? Of what I have read these past couple of pages from you, there is no two-way street with you CoffeeEdge.

I understand you want to make people more aware of the marketing tactics corporations like EA use on gamers but what are we, or you, actually going to do about it? And yes, I’m a little skeptical that this may not be real footage since SCE lied about the “real” Killzone 2 footage back in E3 2005, but yet I’m still excited about it.

Yes, I have only gotten exposed to the Bad Company IP and you will not get a critical discussion out of me on Battlefield. But have you seen posts from me expressing animosity towards the Battlefield or any other FPS IP?

You believe what you are saying in this thread is “critical” and “analytical” but to tell you the truth, you are posting thoughtlessly towards FPS and expressing a high animosity towards this genre. If you’re unhappy with this IP, and others, then please recommend a far much better FPS.

If you can’t, then by all means go out and create an IP and blow all of these guys out of the water. We’ll support you…that is if it’s any good.
 
[quote name='slickkill77']We get it. You don't like the game. You've made your point. No need to continually argue and pound your anti BF3 views. GO THE fuck AWAY ALREADY.[/QUOTE]

So, what should happen in this thread then? Everyone should say "I like this" every time they release a new clip, and that's it?

I'll leave the thread and promise never to return or talk about this game anywhere on these forums, if you'll do the same.

[quote name='htown01']Of what I have read these past couple of pages from you, there is no two-way street with you CoffeeEdge.[/quote]
What do you mean by this exactly?

When I said that, I meant that you can't have a thread to talk about a game, and expect it to all fall to one side on the praise/criticize spectrum. I'd like an explanation of the context you used the phrase in just now.

I understand you want to make people more aware of the marketing tactics corporations like EA use on gamers but what are we, or you, actually going to do about it?
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Well, talking about it is a good place to start.

Yes, I have only gotten exposed to the Bad Company IP and you will not get a critical discussion out of me on Battlefield. But have you seen posts from me expressing animosity towards the Battlefield or any other FPS IP?
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No, and if you don't want to criticize any games, fine, good for you. But you can't expect all discussion on the internet to be "thumbs-up, awesome" and that's it.

You believe what you are saying in this thread is “critical” and “analytical” but to tell you the truth, you are posting thoughtlessly towards FPS and expressing a high animosity towards this genre.
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Again, you say something that doesn't make sense. I am a huge FPS fan. I think this kind of game is shitting up the genre. I don't hate the genre; I hate the fact that it's being taken over by crap.

If you’re unhappy with this IP, and others, then please recommend a far much better FPS.
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Sure thing: Killing Floor, Red Orchestra, ARMA II, anything by Valve, Serious Sam, pre-Bad Company Battlefield (especially Vietnam, the pinnacle of the series in my opinion), Unreal Tournament. Those are just a very few, mostly recent ones.
 
Most of the vidz have been removed by EA :(

[quote name='CoffeeEdge']No, actually, there is a need for that "blabber," [/QUOTE]

Actually no there isn't.
 
[quote name='TiKi2']Actually no there isn't.[/QUOTE]

You're the second person to say this. Like the first one, you also have a gigantic image in your signature expounding upon your statistics in Bad Company 2, specifically, the Xbox 360 version.

I'm going to just point that out and let it speak for itself.
 
[quote name='CoffeeEdge']You're the second person to say this. Like the first one, you also have a gigantic image in your signature expounding upon your statistics in Bad Company 2, specifically, the Xbox 360 version.

I'm going to just point that out and let it speak for itself.[/QUOTE]

This isn't the first time I've seen you make a comment like this. I know that I currently have a BC2 image in my sig. Does that somehow disqualify me from any rational discussion on the BF games? If I remove the image from my sig. and say the exact same comments do they suddenly have merit?
 
[quote name='CoffeeEdge']You're the second person to say this. Like the first one, you also have a gigantic image in your signature expounding upon your statistics in Bad Company 2, specifically, the Xbox 360 version.

I'm going to just point that out and let it speak for itself.[/QUOTE]

Are you aware you're in the 360 subforum?

I'd also like to mention that I used to play BF 1942 and BF Vietnam on PC plenty back in the day. Since then I've switched over to a Mac and bought a 360 to game on, and I really enjoy Bad Company 2's Vietnam DLC and BF 1943. To my surprise, having to use a controller instead of a keyboard and mouse hasn't really bothered me much.

I don't play base BC2 too often, but don't find it to be the miserable experience you're making it out to be...
 
If the console versions look half as good as what has already been shown, it'll still be amazing.

And Bad Company 2 already looks damn good on the consoles, Frostbite 2 will make it look even better.


Anyway, needs more multiplayer gameplay footage.
 
[quote name='slickkill77']:dunce:

We get it. You don't like the game. You've made your point. No need to continually argue and pound your anti bf3 views. Go the fuck away already.[/quote]

[quote name='slickkill77']:dunce:

We get it. You don't like the game. You've made your point. No need to continually argue and pound your anti bf3 views. Go the fuck away already.[/quote]


[quote name='slickkill77']:dunce:

We get it. You don't like the game. You've made your point. No need to continually argue and pound your anti bf3 views. Go the fuck away already.[/quote]

this
 
I love the ending of episode III.

What about Padme? .... NOOOOooooooOOOOOOooo..... errr.....

Faultline Episode III. The tremor effects look incredible.
 
Does anyone making FPS understand the concept of Tactics? Or for that matter... how... NOT to get yourself killed...? Who the fuck stands out in the open on a bridge during a gun battle???

Anyway, still looking good.
 
[quote name='VipFREAK']Does anyone making FPS understand the concept of Tactics? Or for that matter... how... NOT to get yourself killed...? Who the fuck stands out in the open on a bridge during a gun battle???[/QUOTE]

Sure, just not in this lowest-common-denominator idiot shooting gallery series. Check out Red Orchestra or ARMA.
 
[quote name='CoffeeEdge']Sure, just not in this lowest-common-denominator idiot shooting gallery series. Check out Red Orchestra or ARMA.[/QUOTE]

LOL, the trolling never stops
 
[quote name='mannysgoldglove']LOL, the trolling never stops[/QUOTE]

Uh, no. I was replying to his question about FPSs with actually tactical gameplay, rather than the cheap illusion of it.

Again, you need to get over the notion that any negative discussion of this game is trolling. Not all positive discussion of a game is fanboyism, likewise. I have no less place in this thread than anyone else. I am very interested in this game.
 
I can't be the only one who also wants a score to come with this game. I keep replaying the 4 second ending on the battlefield 3 logo for all these trailers.

I think the graphics in this trailer were the best by far, the detail on the street while they're on the bridge is great.

I want to see the new Abrams I'll be driving in multiplayer.
 
Actual observations of clip 3: The least gameplay so far. Player moves through a vent, plays a long QTE illustrating some unarmed melee combat that doesn't even need to be interactive because all it amounts to are 2 mouse clicks (but of course, they do make it a QTE, so that people who play this feel all "WOW I'M TOTALLY PUNCHING THIS GUY, SO REAL, SO DYNAMIC AND INTERACTIVE, MOST VISCERAL GAME EVER"), and then stands on a bridge, barely moving at all, and shoots a bunch of barely-moving targets that are just standing out in the open, practically waving their arms and screaming "shoot me! I'm right here!" No thinking. No gameplay. Just point and click.

Again, good graphics, but no gameplay.

[quote name='xtreme_Zr2']I can't be the only one who also wants a score to come with this game. I keep replaying the 4 second ending on the battlefield 3 logo for all these trailers.[/QUOTE]

And you're not deaf yet? Seriously, there are versions of the Battlefield theme with, ya know, actual instruments and whatnot.
 
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[quote name='CoffeeEdge']

Again, good graphics, but no gameplay.[/QUOTE]

Kinda funny since this has been my stance (for FPS and Racing) games for a while and usually I get tagged as Trolling... I'm wondering watch changed all of a sudden. : puts on flame suit just in case :
 
[quote name='VipFREAK']usually I get tagged as Trolling... I'm wondering watch changed all of a sudden. : puts on flame suit just in case :[/QUOTE]

well what do you expect? you have gadaffi in your avatar.
 
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