Black Teen Shot, Killed By Neighborhood Watch

Don't worry about the youtube video, I'm dying to hear the liberal "worldview" breakdown of how muslims white christians and blacks are preceived as threats from the previous page, I'm calling you out on your SERIOUS STUPIDY.
Its not even a liberal worldview, it your god damn right wing evengelical conservatives worldview.... Everyone of color/different religion is a threat to the "white way of life"

You and everyone of your resident righties continue to prove the point from spewing your racist bigoted nonsense around here.

Even Martin might be a wannabe thug, HE DID NOT DESERVE WHAT HAPPENED TO HIM THAT NIGHT CAUSE HE WAS NOT DOING SHIT THAT NIGHT!!!!!!...

And its not serious stupid, when the person spew such nonsense is basically stupid on a level not seen by others
You guys need to get your shit straight. Instead of blaming liberals and conservatives, you should focus your attention on the assholes in media and Washington DC.

Why be so stupid? What facts don't I have? And I love hearing someone post leave this to the grown men when your name is mrsilkunderwear.

You didn't call me out on anything. You made some idiotic comment asking if I had involvement in a trial.
How about all of them? There is a reason why this shit is going through court with several witnesses giving their testimony. I unlike a few other people here will wait until the end before making forming my opinion. You on the other hand jump to conclusions. This is why I asked if you were involved in a trial because you might have had some information that we "idiots" did not possess. I also suggest you refrain from insulting others on this forum. Just shows that someone named mrsilkunderwear is more mature than you.

 
You guys need to get your shit straight. Instead of blaming liberals and conservatives, you should focus your attention on the assholes in media and Washington DC.
Conservatives / liberals wouldn't have been brought up, if constantly conservatives are always on the side of wrong...

Name me one part of history where conservatives have fought against the status quo for the benefit of a minority class

 
Its not even a liberal worldview, it your god damn right wing evengelical conservatives worldview.... Everyone of color/different religion is a threat to the "white way of life"

You and everyone of your resident righties continue to prove the point from spewing your racist bigoted nonsense around here.

Even Martin might be a wannabe thug, HE DID NOT DESERVE WHAT HAPPENED TO HIM THAT NIGHT CAUSE HE WAS NOT DOING SHIT THAT NIGHT!!!!!!...

And its not serious stupid, when the person spew such nonsense is basically stupid on a level not seen by others

No I'm sorry the correct answer was white people, we would have excepted Christians as well. Your posts reveal your hatred for the "white way of life". What is the white way of life, is there a black way of life, a Muslim way of life? I won't generalize liberals but there is an overwhelming view of anti white from you and others on these boards. You lump all white people and by doing so expose your own racism, you hate all whites for what some whites do. That would be like me saying all blacks are evil because of one video. You are a ignorant intolerant liberal and your post did nothing to convince anyone of that.

See, when you close minded fools are challenged on the stupid comments you make, you do exactly what you did above, you ignore the question, insult the person, and stereotype those that you feel are a threat. Yes, you hate white people, a white Christian like me is the biggest threat in the world to you. Someone who has helped out on Catholic relief missions, devoted time and money to poor all over the world is your enemy. You have blown up your fears and it is sad. I got news for you, I don't know or care what race you are, but if you were white, and you went to the wrong black neighboorhood, you may experience racism. If anyone goes to another country long enough, they will experience racism, I do not believe anyone has ever not said or thought a racist thought to someone else. There are videos on youtube of whites, blacks, asians in other countries and they have experienced words and actions, every race experiences racism, stop making it a white thing. The internet is rife with it, there are no gays in Iran, remember that? They hang them over there, but you don't have the balls to call them out on it. The liberal media has you pussy whipped and you are so intolerant I feel sorry for you, the truth is you are more racist than anyone I know, to vilify a whole group of people that it is obvious you do not know the first thing about is telling that you are a racist intolerant piece of shit and it pisses me off more that you ignore the question and backpeddle than anything else, that you make such bogus claims and don't have the spine to defend yourself, you need to do some serious SOUL searching and figure out what's clear to anyone else. Stop your hate mongering you bigon racist and religiously intolerant prick for whites and Christians, Christianity is the most diverse religion there is, it's white, black, asian, hispanic, and dozens of other groups.

Don't you see how slipperly a slope it is to lump all "god damn right wing evengelical conservatives" into one group? How amazingly intolerant and narrow minded you are, how profoundly insensitive you are to people you never met and spoke to, hate breads hate, you saw a video, or somebody a la Bill Maher made a stupid comment and you generalize. Catholics are the most diverse group racially, they have the highest rate of interracial marriage, and they are overwhelmingly Catholic. You ignore the inherent racism and hate within your own party that goes back 150 years, your group is the real racists, they pander to minorities for votes but have kept them down by underfunding schools and providing gov. assistance to keep them in reliance of gov in exchange for support. They are wising up, you kept them as slaves, you fought civil right like Al Gore's daddy, and you liberals do not provide what really counts to helping them.

You made a wild accusation in the last page about what threats there are to conservatives and you don't even have the BALLS to admit what liberals fear, what weak minded white liberals fear. You soft liberals hide behind hate speech and fear, you cast your fears onto conservatives because you are insensitive, you play races against each other, you don't know that other religions respect and understand each other better than a liberal atheist ever will. What has a liberal or a atheist done for Africa or Guatamala, not a GOD DAMN THING, you dont care about other groups, I've seen more conservative Catholics in church with adoptive kids from all sort of countries, I have worked side by side with all nationalities to have send food to need people in poor Latin American communities, I haven't seen anything by self righteous Alec Baldwin smugness for a liberal party and a no God party who is threatened by people founded on a religion of the 10 commandments, helping the poor and loving the neighboor, all I hear out of liberal and atheists are nanny states and more birth control, legally durgs and selfish people that want a 100K job and free college and couldn't give a shit about the way of life of anyone but themselves. And let me tell you, Muslims are very conservative if not politically then overwhelmingly socially, they are growing and they are not as excepting of liberal views, I'm not saying they are violent, that they are more vocal of their beliefs if verifyable.

 
How about all of them? There is a reason why this shit is going through court with several witnesses giving their testimony. I unlike a few other people here will wait until the end before making forming my opinion. You on the other hand jump to conclusions. This is why I asked if you were involved in a trial because you might have had some information that we "idiots" did not possess. I also suggest you refrain from insulting others on this forum. Just shows that someone named mrsilkunderwear is more mature than you.
I formed an opinion that a man who murdered someone is a murderer. He left his vehicle intent on following/confronting an individual. It escalated to a point that he wasn't comfortable with, so he decided that he himself would be judge jury and executioner. If someone makes stupid ass comments, I will refer to them as such.

 
Conservatives / liberals wouldn't have been brought up, if constantly conservatives are always on the side of wrong...

Name me one part of history where conservatives have fought against the status quo for the benefit of a minority class
Really? Conservatives on the side of the wrong? Why are you making this so difficult do have a debate? All you do is attack, attack and attack. You should use your head and try to analyze their point of view. Take me for example, I am fairly conservative and a registered republican. You think I support people like Bush? You think I want wars and be trillions of dollars in debt? Do I believe in gay marriage? (yes). Please do not generalize us and I hope others will do the same. Everyone is an individual, just because some of us lean right does not mean we agree with everything that happens under our partie's administration.

Have you heard of Ron Paul? Pretty sure he has being doing exactly that for all of his political career. You seem to confuse conservatives with neo-cons.

I formed an opinion that a man who murdered someone is a murderer. He left his vehicle intent on following/confronting an individual. It escalated to a point that he wasn't comfortable with, so he decided that he himself would be judge jury and executioner. If someone makes stupid ass comments, I will refer to them as such.
Keyword is "opinion". You have not heard all the facts nor testimonies so why be so hasty? I personally want Zimmerman to be held responsible if he is truly at fault. Other people here seem to analyze the situation and debate, you on the other hand dismiss everyone else's opinion and claim yourself to be right. If you can't do that then maybe you should check another section of this site.

 
No I'm sorry the correct answer was white people, we would have excepted Christians as well. Your posts reveal your hatred for the "white way of life". What is the white way of life, is there a black way of life, a Muslim way of life? I won't generalize liberals but there is an overwhelming view of anti white from you and others on these boards. You lump all white people and by doing so expose your own racism, you hate all whites for what some whites do. That would be like me saying all blacks are evil because of one video. You are a ignorant intolerant liberal and your post did nothing to convince anyone of that.

See, when you close minded fools are challenged on the stupid comments you make, you do exactly what you did above, you ignore the question, insult the person, and stereotype those that you feel are a threat. Yes, you hate white people, a white Christian like me is the biggest threat in the world to you. Someone who has helped out on Catholic relief missions, devoted time and money to poor all over the world is your enemy. You have blown up your fears and it is sad. I got news for you, I don't know or care what race you are, but if you were white, and you went to the wrong black neighboorhood, you may experience racism. If anyone goes to another country long enough, they will experience racism, I do not believe anyone has ever not said or thought a racist thought to someone else. There are videos on youtube of whites, blacks, asians in other countries and they have experienced words and actions, every race experiences racism, stop making it a white thing. The internet is rife with it, there are no gays in Iran, remember that? They hang them over there, but you don't have the balls to call them out on it. The liberal media has you pussy whipped and you are so intolerant I feel sorry for you, the truth is you are more racist than anyone I know, to vilify a whole group of people that it is obvious you do not know the first thing about is telling that you are a racist intolerant piece of shit and it pisses me off more that you ignore the question and backpeddle than anything else, that you make such bogus claims and don't have the spine to defend yourself, you need to do some serious SOUL searching and figure out what's clear to anyone else. Stop your hate mongering you bigon racist and religiously intolerant prick for whites and Christians, Christianity is the most diverse religion there is, it's white, black, asian, hispanic, and dozens of other groups.

Don't you see how slipperly a slope it is to lump all "god damn right wing evengelical conservatives" into one group? How amazingly intolerant and narrow minded you are, how profoundly insensitive you are to people you never met and spoke to, hate breads hate, you saw a video, or somebody a la Bill Maher made a stupid comment and you generalize. Catholics are the most diverse group racially, they have the highest rate of interracial marriage, and they are overwhelmingly Catholic. You ignore the inherent racism and hate within your own party that goes back 150 years, your group is the real racists, they pander to minorities for votes but have kept them down by underfunding schools and providing gov. assistance to keep them in reliance of gov in exchange for support. They are wising up, you kept them as slaves, you fought civil right like Al Gore's daddy, and you liberals do not provide what really counts to helping them.

You made a wild accusation in the last page about what threats there are to conservatives and you don't even have the BALLS to admit what liberals fear, what weak minded white liberals fear. You soft liberals hide behind hate speech and fear, you cast your fears onto conservatives because you are insensitive, you play races against each other, you don't know that other religions respect and understand each other better than a liberal atheist ever will. What has a liberal or a atheist done for Africa or Guatamala, not a GOD DAMN THING, you dont care about other groups, I've seen more conservative Catholics in church with adoptive kids from all sort of countries, I have worked side by side with all nationalities to have send food to need people in poor Latin American communities, I haven't seen anything by self righteous Alec Baldwin smugness for a liberal party and a no God party who is threatened by people founded on a religion of the 10 commandments, helping the poor and loving the neighboor, all I hear out of liberal and atheists are nanny states and more birth control, legally durgs and selfish people that want a 100K job and free college and couldn't give a shit about the way of life of anyone but themselves. And let me tell you, Muslims are very conservative if not politically then overwhelmingly socially, they are growing and they are not as excepting of liberal views, I'm not saying they are violent, that they are more vocal of their beliefs if verifyable.
I applaud you for that long thoughtful comeback, even tho it full of CRAP....

Don't give me that crap about Chrisitans going around the world helping people out, they are doing that to convert people... Thats their only motivation, they did that shit to all the indigeous tribes in Brazil, and now they are looking to do that in Muslim strongholds.

Here's money, here's aid, now convert to Chrisitianity......Look at GWB AIDS initiative in Africa, guess what stings was attached to that BULLSHIT!!!

And while NOT ALL WHITES share your conservative worldview, CONSERVATIVE worldview is a WHITE worldview. Black people know they have dangerous Black people, Asian people know they have dangerous Asian people... And white people know that they have dangerous WHITE groups.

What make white people more dangerous is when throughout history it has always been the "whiter group" who lead the way in reshaping political and social environments to the detrement of minority/colored groups.

Conservative HAVE A WHITE worldview... blacks, asians, hispanics ...do not have any similiar worldview

WORLDVIEW AS IN POLITICAL AND SOCIAL environments.. understand that!!!!

Really? Conservatives on the side of the wrong? Why are you making this so difficult do have a debate? All you do is attack, attack and attack. You should use your head and try to analyze their point of view. Take me for example, I am fairly conservative and a registered republican. You think I support people like Bush? You think I want wars and be trillions of dollars in debt? Do I believe in gay marriage? (yes). Please do not generalize us and I hope others will do the same. Everyone is an individual, just because some of us lean right does not mean we agree with everything that happens under our partie's administration.

Have you heard of Ron Paul? Pretty sure he has being doing exactly that for all of his political career. You seem to confuse conservatives with neo-cons.
There you go... I bolded it for you...

You wouldn't fit in with some of the deep hardcore conservatives here... Maybe I need to rephrase it to DEEP HARDCORE TO THE BONE Conservatives

Anyways your fellow REAL DEEP BONED conservatives here would never support Ron Paul,

 
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There you go... I bolded it for you...

You wouldn't fit in with some of the deep hardcore conservatives here... Maybe I need to rephrase it to DEEP HARDCORE TO THE BONE Conservatives

Anyways your fellow REAL DEEP BONED conservatives here would never support Ron Paul,
Actually by fairly, I mean I am really conservative. The people you refer to are Neo Conservatives or RINOs. The reason why they keep getting reelected is because they are just one big mafia. MSM is also at fault as they are controlled by the same people from left and right.

I bet many conservatives would support Ron Paul and already doing so, just indirectly.

 
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The soft side of the political spec... rectum would tell you that if you're about to be the victim of a OMG "pickpocket" that there is no need to use deadly force to protect yourself.

However...

It's apparently only okay to defend yourself in such a fashion if you've been waiting in line several days (Black Privileged) for a pair of $180 LeBron Sneakers (Black Culture) in Atlanta (Black City) and the suspect and shooter are both..... BLACK

Then you can shoot to kill... And you get to keep your name out of the paper and your spot in line.

http://www.ajc.com/videos/news/customer-shoots-kills-armed-robber-outside-shoe/v44wJ/

But wait.. that makes you think that some "homie" protected everyone... hero right?

Except that the person with the concealed weapon permit DID NOT do the shooting and the person killed was shot while fleeing.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cWt4qN2fhLw

But again no charges.

 
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No, what this conservative wanted him to do was not put himself in the stupid position he did. Trayvon didnt start the fight. Trayvon didn't drag him out of the car and force him to fight. This isn't a liberal vs conservative fight numb nuts.
All of the state's witness testimony corroborates the defendant's story that Zimmerman was physically attacked by Trayvon Martin and felt he was in danger of great bodily harm. To blame Zimmerman for putting himself in a position to be attacked because of his otherwise lawful actions is to blame the victim. This is how a lot of misunderstandings turn into violence.

The state is nowhere close to proving beyond a reasonable doubt that George Zimmerman was of a depraved enough mind to commit murder 2. Even if Zimmerman is some kind of murderous genius that killed Saint Trayvon in cold blood, the state is having a hell of a lot of trouble proving that. Our justice system is set up in such a way that guarantees that criminals go free all the time.
 
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The soft side of the political spec... rectum would tell you that if you're about to be the victim of a OMG "pickpocket" that there is no need to use deadly force to protect yourself.

However...

It's apparently only okay to defend yourself in such a fashion if you've been waiting in line several days (Black Privileged) for a pair of $180 LeBron Sneakers (Black Culture) in Atlanta (Black City) and the suspect and shooter are both..... BLACK

Then you can shoot to kill... And you get to keep your name out of the paper and your spot in line.

http://www.ajc.com/videos/news/customer-shoots-kills-armed-robber-outside-shoe/v44wJ/

But wait.. that makes you think that some "homie" protected everyone... hero right?

Except that the person with the concealed weapon permit DID NOT do the shooting and the person killed was shot while fleeing.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cWt4qN2fhLw

But again no charges.
Seriously how many chromosomes are you missing.....?

It was noted that a customers shoots ARMED robber

Are you farking half stupid to post that shit, and make racist ( **** ) to highlight your point

 
The trial isn't done for the day, but I thought I'd go ahead and post some things we found out:

- The surveillance tapes from the complex were too dark to be used.

- The defense's star witness claims he saw Martin on top and that Zimmerman was on the bottom yelling for help. However, he said that this all happened on the grass near his sliding patio door and they weren't on the ground on the sidewalk. As of right now, not a single witness has corroborated his story that Martin was bashing his head into the sidewalk. Also, apparently another piece of his testimony lined up with something that Rachel said in hers (I didn't hear this part for myself, but rather from the analysts when the trial went on break).

- Zimmerman had a bloody nose, but the swelling went down after a few hours. This is evidence that it wasn't actually broken. He also had two small lacerations on the back of his head.

- Zimmerman had grass stains and moisture from the rain on his back. This lends credibility to the aforementioned star witness.

- Zimmerman turned down going to the hospital for his injuries.

- All the witnesses today said that Zimmerman was alert, attentive, and could walk under his own power without difficulty. he didn't seem groggy or disoriented. None of his injuries looked all that life-threatening or serious.

- Zimmerman claimed that after he shot Martin, he spread him face-down arms apart on the grass. However, photographic evidence taken by the first witness on the scene shows Martin with his hands under his body. All witnesses corroborated this version of the position of the body before it was moved for attempted resuscitation.

That's all for now.

 
I applaud you for that long thoughtful comeback, even tho it full of CRAP....

Don't give me that crap about Chrisitans going around the world helping people out, they are doing that to convert people... Thats their only motivation, they did that shit to all the indigeous tribes in Brazil, and now they are looking to do that in Muslim strongholds.

Here's money, here's aid, now convert to Chrisitianity......Look at GWB AIDS initiative in Africa, guess what stings was attached to that BULLSHIT!!!

And while NOT ALL WHITES share your conservative worldview, CONSERVATIVE worldview is a WHITE worldview. Black people know they have dangerous Black people, Asian people know they have dangerous Asian people... And white people know that they have dangerous WHITE groups.

What make white people more dangerous is when throughout history it has always been the "whiter group" who lead the way in reshaping political and social environments to the detrement of minority/colored groups.

Conservative HAVE A WHITE worldview... blacks, asians, hispanics ...do not have any similiar worldview

WORLDVIEW AS IN POLITICAL AND SOCIAL environments.. understand that!!!!

There you go... I bolded it for you...

You wouldn't fit in with some of the deep hardcore conservatives here... Maybe I need to rephrase it to DEEP HARDCORE TO THE BONE Conservatives

Anyways your fellow REAL DEEP BONED conservatives here would never support Ron Paul,


I think you are confusing the benefits that liberal groups have been using to keep minorities down as what whites have done wrong. The democratic party exists because it keeps down minorities. How far have blacks prospered in the last 50 years under democrats? Tell me what you guys have done for all minorities. The truth is nothing. You perpetuate racism as a means to disunite races, your party thrives on having minorities not trust each other or whites. You underfund schools in urban areas, you don't invest in urban businesses, you make it so that they will be ok if they vote democratic and they will always be gov assitance, welfare, food stamps, you win elections by keeping those people undereducated and reliant of you and that if they better themselves and became more successful they would appreciate what they have and earned and wouldn't want it all taxed to pay for those programs overwhelmingly the way they are. You keep the races down, they are dependent on you, and your party uses that to blame their struggles on white people who have nothing to do with that and have their own struggles. You take money, you tax relentlessly, sales, income, federal, state,death, inheritance, investments, you need this money to pay for the benefits.

What has Obama done for blacks? Not a damn thing, he doesn't care about them, he got their votes already and there lives are no better 5 years later, your a damn fool. Even Nixon passed tax credits for low income families, Bush pushed no child left behind, Lincoln freed the slaves, something that costs thousands of white people, but you guys don't do anything but provide free money instead of helping them, remember give a man a fish, he eats for a day, teach a man to fish he eats for life. Libs don't support school vouchers, of course not, look at any urban city that's made up of minorities what have they done for those people since the 60's they are lagging behind everyone else because of the corrupt liberals who keep getting reelected, the money isn't invested in the people, it's pissed away on parades instead of schools, for tax breaks for businesses, for more cops to keep blacks from killing blacks. That's what is in the paper everyday, yesterday a black man shot and wounded 4 black people. Most liberals weren't for civil rights, Al Gore Sr. was a known racist. I can tell you that there is bad white people out there, they are in your party, they are elected by idiots like you, they are in your party, they are in the media. THE WORLD WOULD BE OK IF PEOPLE BRED TOLERANCE, YOU ARE INTOLERANT, YOU CAN'T STAND WHAT DIFFERES FROM YOU, THE PEOPLE DIFFERENT FROM YOU, AND SINCE IT'S RACE, RELIGION AND POLICTICS, I DON'T EVEN THINK THERE IS A WORD TO SUM ALL THAT UP, BUT I CAN HONESTLY SAY YOU ARE PATHETIC LOSER WHO BETTER GET USED TO SHARING THE WORLD WITH OTHER PEOPLE OTHERWISE I WILL SEE YOU ON THE NEWS SOMEDAY.

You hide behind green and other programs, which keep the working class down, gov is in cohoots with gas companies and everything is more expensive, it's like where the slaves could buy there freedom thousands of years ago but the price kept increasing beyond the wage they got. It's not some white family of 4 in Nebraska, it's your party, if your party bettered the people you say you champion then you would have something to show for it after a half century of support, right?

Conservative is not white, the amount of hispanics, who are mostly Christian, are moving to the Republican party. There are plenty of races that support our party. And the views of conservaties are for smaller gov. WOW that would mean more self reliance and less social programs, more money in everyone's pocket and less going to the 1%, we believe in education, personal responsibilty and making your own life through your own business and investments. That is nothing uniquely white, that we are not for unborn babies being aborted, that we believe that murders should be executed in certain circumstances, that we are not for drugs, and low taxes and fiscal responsibilty are great things, your racist mind was probably brainwashed in college and bill maher and every one of your posts proves how stupid and intolerant you are.

And history, let me tell you about history. It's people killing each other, every race's natural enemy is itself. Good ol Chairmen Mao, kills 70 million of his own Asian people. Stalin kills his own people. Shaka Zulu kills 4000 of his own African brothers at his mothers funeral because they didn't look sad enough. Napeleon, Hannibal, Genghis Khan, Saddam Hussein kills his people by the boatload, Mexicans kill each other in cartels and innocent people for the white liberal drug trade, HItler kills jews, Sunni kill Shi'ites. Governments kill there people, black on black crime, white on white, terrorists, kill kill kill, murder murder murder, everyday everywhere, at everytime, white black, whatever race it's a cruel fucking world, whites didn't invent it killing, they didn't invent hate, it's encoded in our DNA, whatever race you are you are full of it, it's scary that you are so radical, and I will say a prayer for you :)

THE REAL QUESTION I ASK YOU, IF WHAT THE HELL HAVE DEMOCRATS DONE FOR MINORITIES, LETS SEE YOU ANSWER THAT QUESTION INSTEAD SINCE YOU OBVIOUSLY GOT CALLED OUT ON YOUR LAST STUPID POST AND IF YOU DON'T ANSWER THIS ONE THEN YOU WILL LOSE THE SUPPORT OF EVERYONE ELSE.
 
- The defense's star witness claims he saw Martin on top and that Zimmerman was on the bottom yelling for help.
The defense has not called any witnesses. All of the witnesses thus far have been called by the state.

According to Zimmerman's story, his head was being bashed into the sidewalk, but he managed to shimmy so that eventually his head was on the grass. He said this during his voice stress test. If the witness who actually saw part of the fight came out after his shimmied off the concrete, no, they would not see him getting his head bashed.

- Zimmerman had a bloody nose, but the swelling went down after a few hours. This is evidence that it wasn't actually broken. He also had two small lacerations on the back of his head.
The extent of his injuries are not that relevant for self-defense. A lawyer commenting on WESH said this. The EMT witness stated that if you are on your back and your nose is bleeding, you would likely swallow the blood.

- Zimmerman turned down going to the hospital for his injuries.
Zimmerman's deductible is $5,000 and covers 50% of costs after that. This is the motive for why he did not want to go to the hospital if he decided to be stoic and walk it off.

- All the witnesses today said that Zimmerman was alert, attentive, and could walk under his own power without difficulty. he didn't seem groggy or disoriented. None of his injuries looked all that life-threatening or serious.
You do not have to wait for your injuries to become life-threatening or serious to defend yourself. Once the injuries become life-threatening, you will probably not be able to actually defend yourself and stop the attacker.

By the way, a witness just testified that she examined Zimmerman and he had black eyes. Both of them. The witness has also just testified that Zimmerman's nose was clinically broken. He was recommended to see ear, nose and throat specialist but he refused to go.
 
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More info from the medical examiner witness who checked him out the next morning:

- Zimmerman's cuts were both less than an inch long, were very light lacerations, and didn't require stitches. No other signs of trauma.

-  He had zero signs of a concussion or other serious head injuries.

- His nose wasn't definitively broken. It was declared broken based on a clinical call with no X-rays or other formal tests to give definitive confirmation. Zimmerman didn't follow up and have the tests done for a proper diagnosis.

- He was classified as obese at 204lbs.

- He took MMA classes three times a week. Remember the star defense witness said that the one on top was throwing MMA style blows.

 
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^ obese at 204lbs? Using what scale... the archaic BMI?

Let me tell you I played college football with a dozen or so people with less then 10% bodyfat that were clinically considered obese. Height/Weight ratio does NOT work if you're tall.

MMA three times a week? Dudes a trained killer!

 
I'm just the messenger. These are the words of the witness on the stand. Take it up with her if you have a problem.

 
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One more thing.

- The medical records also show that Zimmerman was visiting a psychiatrist for some time prior to the incident.

They're all done for the weekend.

 
WESH Attorney Analyst: "This witness just blew Bernie De La Ronda's case out of the water, and he let it happen."

The witness was Zimmerman's primary doctor, who was originally called by the state.
 
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I think you are confusing the benefits that liberal groups have been using to keep minorities down as what whites have done wrong. The democratic party exists because it keeps down minorities. How far have blacks prospered in the last 50 years under democrats? Tell me what you guys have done for all minorities. The truth is nothing. You perpetuate racism as a means to disunite races, your party thrives on having minorities not trust each other or whites. You underfund schools in urban areas, you don't invest in urban businesses, you make it so that they will be ok if they vote democratic and they will always be gov assitance, welfare, food stamps, you win elections by keeping those people undereducated and reliant of you and that if they better themselves and became more successful they would appreciate what they have and earned and wouldn't want it all taxed to pay for those programs overwhelmingly the way they are. You keep the races down, they are dependent on you, and your party uses that to blame their struggles on white people who have nothing to do with that and have their own struggles. You take money, you tax relentlessly, sales, income, federal, state,death, inheritance, investments, you need this money to pay for the benefits.

What has Obama done for blacks? Not a damn thing, he doesn't care about them, he got their votes already and there lives are no better 5 years later, your a damn fool. Even Nixon passed tax credits for low income families, Bush pushed no child left behind, Lincoln freed the slaves, something that costs thousands of white people, but you guys don't do anything but provide free money instead of helping them, remember give a man a fish, he eats for a day, teach a man to fish he eats for life. Libs don't support school vouchers, of course not, look at any urban city that's made up of minorities what have they done for those people since the 60's they are lagging behind everyone else because of the corrupt liberals who keep getting reelected, the money isn't invested in the people, it's pissed away on parades instead of schools, for tax breaks for businesses, for more cops to keep blacks from killing blacks. That's what is in the paper everyday, yesterday a black man shot and wounded 4 black people. Most liberals weren't for civil rights, Al Gore Sr. was a known racist. I can tell you that there is bad white people out there, they are in your party, they are elected by idiots like you, they are in your party, they are in the media. THE WORLD WOULD BE OK IF PEOPLE BRED TOLERANCE, YOU ARE INTOLERANT, YOU CAN'T STAND WHAT DIFFERES FROM YOU, THE PEOPLE DIFFERENT FROM YOU, AND SINCE IT'S RACE, RELIGION AND POLICTICS, I DON'T EVEN THINK THERE IS A WORD TO SUM ALL THAT UP, BUT I CAN HONESTLY SAY YOU ARE PATHETIC LOSER WHO BETTER GET USED TO SHARING THE WORLD WITH OTHER PEOPLE OTHERWISE I WILL SEE YOU ON THE NEWS SOMEDAY.

You hide behind green and other programs, which keep the working class down, gov is in cohoots with gas companies and everything is more expensive, it's like where the slaves could buy there freedom thousands of years ago but the price kept increasing beyond the wage they got. It's not some white family of 4 in Nebraska, it's your party, if your party bettered the people you say you champion then you would have something to show for it after a half century of support, right?

Conservative is not white, the amount of hispanics, who are mostly Christian, are moving to the Republican party. There are plenty of races that support our party. And the views of conservaties are for smaller gov. WOW that would mean more self reliance and less social programs, more money in everyone's pocket and less going to the 1%, we believe in education, personal responsibilty and making your own life through your own business and investments. That is nothing uniquely white, that we are not for unborn babies being aborted, that we believe that murders should be executed in certain circumstances, that we are not for drugs, and low taxes and fiscal responsibilty are great things, your racist mind was probably brainwashed in college and bill maher and every one of your posts proves how stupid and intolerant you are.

And history, let me tell you about history. It's people killing each other, every race's natural enemy is itself. Good ol Chairmen Mao, kills 70 million of his own Asian people. Stalin kills his own people. Shaka Zulu kills 4000 of his own African brothers at his mothers funeral because they didn't look sad enough. Napeleon, Hannibal, Genghis Khan, Saddam Hussein kills his people by the boatload, Mexicans kill each other in cartels and innocent people for the white liberal drug trade, HItler kills jews, Sunni kill Shi'ites. Governments kill there people, black on black crime, white on white, terrorists, kill kill kill, murder murder murder, everyday everywhere, at everytime, white black, whatever race it's a cruel fucking world, whites didn't invent it killing, they didn't invent hate, it's encoded in our DNA, whatever race you are you are full of it, it's scary that you are so radical, and I will say a prayer for you :)

THE REAL QUESTION I ASK YOU, IF WHAT THE HELL HAVE DEMOCRATS DONE FOR MINORITIES, LETS SEE YOU ANSWER THAT QUESTION INSTEAD SINCE YOU OBVIOUSLY GOT CALLED OUT ON YOUR LAST STUPID POST AND IF YOU DON'T ANSWER THIS ONE THEN YOU WILL LOSE THE SUPPORT OF EVERYONE ELSE.
What makes you think I support Obama or much of the Dems.....

Am I liberal ? Yup

anti-gov't? Possibly

Why should Obama do anything for blacks? He is a ball-less right leaning man masquerading as some liberal dem.

By the way No Child Left Behind is a FAILURE that has cost us BILLIONS

You talk about how Dems keep people uneducated: When you conservatives want to start teaching kids man and dinosaurs lived side by side to a mythical man creating the human race... You have the damn nerve to say Dems want to keep people uneducated

 
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More info from the medical examiner witness who checked him out the next morning:

- Zimmerman's cuts were both less than an inch long, were very light lacerations, and didn't require stitches. No other signs of trauma.

- He had zero signs of a concussion or other serious head injuries.

- His nose wasn't definitively broken. It was declared broken based on a clinical call with no X-rays or other formal tests to give definitive confirmation. Zimmerman didn't follow up and have the tests done for a proper diagnosis.

- He was classified as obese at 204lbs.

- He took MMA classes three times a week. Remember the star defense witness said that the one on top was throwing MMA style blows.
and the only ones injury was a bullet and no other injury

 
What makes you think I support Obama or much of the Dems.....

Am I liberal ? Yup

anti-gov't? Possibly

Why should Obama do anything for blacks? He is a ball-less right leaning man masquerading as some liberal dem.

By the way No Child Left Behind is a FAILURE that has cost us BILLIONS

You talk about how Dems keep people uneducated: When you conservatives want to start teaching kids man and dinosaurs lived side by side to a mythical man creating the human race... You have the damn nerve to say Dems want to keep people uneducated
Well we can agree on Obama at least, that's a positive.

I didn't know we were teaching religion in public schools. Your religious intolerance is amazing. Would you go into a mosque and say these things, of course not, you wouldn't say shit to anybody in real life. I think you are fearful of religion, you had a bad experience? Because I have friends that are not religious at all and somehow I can share the world at them without being an asshole like you are. Religion educates, and that's what scares you, a tolerant religion that helps the poor, has a diverse group of followers, and helps the community is actually the opposite of gov. That and atheism is all about yourself, there is no reward to them to do good so why bother? Athesists are interested in themselves, I want drugs, oh people die so I can get the drugs, who cares I'm American, the plight of people in another part of the world are of no concern, especially people of a different color.

You failed to say anything good that democrats did for minorities WHICH IS THE WHOLE POINT, at this point in the discussion you are a child throwing a temper tantrum, you can't provide a single thing democrats have done since the 60's for minorities. You question what conservatives have done when you don't hold your own party accountable, and they have done LESS!!! I gotta admit the fact that you just dodge these questions means you are ill informed of your own parties flaws. If you were really looking out for minorities best interests you'd research and find something or admit the failure in your party and stop putting down conservatives. As it stand, your party has actually done less to help blacks, actually held them back in terms of where they could be by now, it has nothing to show for 50 years of supporting minorities except votes for handouts. But you are not outraged because you don't care about them. You care about your guy getting in, because you think your party will give you things, there is no free education, no guarantee of jobs, nothing. Just a country slowly being bled dry, a place that used to be the best in the world, torn down in mere decades by liberal political correctness, by a condensing generation that thinks it's entitled to things because the hardest day of their life was when they had to get a summer job one year.

The white liberal is the ultimate paradox, they claim tolerance, but HATE conservatives, hate religion, hate restraint. They claim to be the champion of minorities but actually hold them back. Meanwhile the only party actually doing anything is lied about by them. Liberals are threatened by religion because it's another view, it makes people better themselves, liberals want people to take their order from the gov. A far more intrusive, untrustworthy entity that taxes it's citizens unfairly is unethical in it's wars and how it does business (above the law) and imposes their will on the people. And as for minorities, I've made my point, gov requires votes, it's easy to suppress certain people and bribe them, the problem is there are forever in a rut, they do not improve and hang around at the bottom, not something to be proud of the party of the people is it?

 
Well we can agree on Obama at least, that's a positive.

I didn't know we were teaching religion in public schools. Your religious intolerance is amazing. Would you go into a mosque and say these things, of course not, you wouldn't say shit to anybody in real life. I think you are fearful of religion, you had a bad experience? Because I have friends that are not religious at all and somehow I can share the world at them without being an asshole like you are. Religion educates, and that's what scares you, a tolerant religion that helps the poor, has a diverse group of followers, and helps the community is actually the opposite of gov. That and atheism is all about yourself, there is no reward to them to do good so why bother? Athesists are interested in themselves, I want drugs, oh people die so I can get the drugs, who cares I'm American, the plight of people in another part of the world are of no concern, especially people of a different color.
Have you read your sig lately? That's a great example of your tolerance right there.
You failed to say anything good that democrats did for minorities WHICH IS THE WHOLE POINT, at this point in the discussion you are a child throwing a temper tantrum, you can't provide a single thing democrats have done since the 60's for minorities. You question what conservatives have done when you don't hold your own party accountable, and they have done LESS!!! I gotta admit the fact that you just dodge these questions means you are ill informed of your own parties flaws. If you were really looking out for minorities best interests you'd research and find something or admit the failure in your party and stop putting down conservatives. As it stand, your party has actually done less to help blacks, actually held them back in terms of where they could be by now, it has nothing to show for 50 years of supporting minorities except votes for handouts. But you are not outraged because you don't care about them. You care about your guy getting in, because you think your party will give you things, there is no free education, no guarantee of jobs, nothing. Just a country slowly being bled dry, a place that used to be the best in the world, torn down in mere decades by liberal political correctness, by a condensing generation that thinks it's entitled to things because the hardest day of their life was when they had to get a summer job one year.
Hmmm...democrats have done nothing you say? I'd say stopping conservatives from stripping every last social safety net is a pretty big thing.

The white liberal is the ultimate paradox, they claim tolerance, but HATE conservatives, hate religion, hate restraint. They claim to be the champion of minorities but actually hold them back. Meanwhile the only party actually doing anything is lied about by them. Liberals are threatened by religion because it's another view, it makes people better themselves, liberals want people to take their order from the gov. A far more intrusive, untrustworthy entity that taxes it's citizens unfairly is unethical in it's wars and how it does business (above the law) and imposes their will on the people. And as for minorities, I've made my point, gov requires votes, it's easy to suppress certain people and bribe them, the problem is there are forever in a rut, they do not improve and hang around at the bottom, not something to be proud of the party of the people is it?
So tell me Mr Tolerance, how do you feel about Islam and Muslims? :rofl:
 
Hot Damn! Vs. is jumping tonight!

Islam should not be tolerated, it promotes violence & hatred
Yeah, it was absolutely terrible how they loaded ships full of kids to fight in the Crusades against Christians.

*berzirk, you better keep your trap shut about this one. :D
 
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Hot Damn! Vs. is jumping tonight!

Yeah, it was absolutely terrible how they loaded ships full of kids to fight in the Crusades against Christians.
Read their book. Promotes wife beating, and numerous violent rhetoric against non Muslims. Anybody who tolerates that isn't thinking straight.

 
Read their book. Promotes wife beating, and numerous violent rhetoric against non Muslims. Anybody who tolerates that isn't thinking straight.
:rofl:You're so cute! I'd love to know your opinions on Christopher Columbus, but let's save that for another thread.

Funnily enough, I have a feeling that Zimmerman is gonna be moonwalking out of the courthouse like a smooth criminal with a hung jury or not guilty verdict on all charges. His wife/gf/whatever will probably get more time than he does for perjury.
 
:rofl:You're so cute! I'd love to know your opinions on Christopher Columbus, but let's save that for another thread.

Funnily enough, I have a feeling that Zimmerman is gonna be moonwalking out of the courthouse like a smooth criminal with a hung jury or not guilty verdict on all charges. His wife/gf/whatever will probably get more time than he does for perjury.
Nice swerve. Nobody should tolerate wife beating or promotion of violence. You cannot dispute that. Islam should therefore not be tolerated. Unarguable.

 
Nice swerve. Nobody should tolerate wife beating or promotion of violence. You cannot dispute that. Islam should therefore not be tolerated. Unarguable.
Don't you think you might be going a little far? I know quite a few muslims who treat others with respect including their wives. The problem is within culture and individuals.

 
I'll be on the lookout for the Knights Templar next time I go out. Thanks for the warning.

How about something a bit more contemporary? http://jobs.aol.com/articles/2013/06/27/it-worker-fired-bacon-muslim/
Knights Templar? What does that have to do with armies of crusading Muslim children?


I'll give you that... never seen a group of people that are as quick to jump on the defensive... persecution complex at its finest.
$5 bucks says that the "victim" said a little more than offering to buy bacon sandwiches.

Nice swerve. Nobody should tolerate wife beating or promotion of violence. You cannot dispute that. Islam should therefore not be tolerated. Unarguable.
What swerve? You mean the examples I gave of Christianity being capable of just as much, if not MORE violence than modern-day violent Muslim extremists? You're a funny guy!

Maybe you can tell me which flavor of the Bible you like to dig into.
 
I saw Christopher Columbus lurking in my village today. Everybody is a bit on edge. He looks like he has a fever. Someone invent vaccinations before it's too late!
 
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Yup...totally beaten by a point I wasn't making.

I'm going to go with a good ol' standby:

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http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/conflicting-testimony-from-neighbors-in-zimmerman-trial/2013/06/28/124f211a-e01c-11e2-963a-72d740e88c12_story.html

"The figures shifted to the concrete walkway, and that’s when Good says he saw the dark-clothed person — who he now knows was Martin — straddle the man in red. The figure on top was “raining down blows” and was using moves similar to a mixed martial arts (MMA) combatant, Good said."

Eye witness testimony that matches Zimmerman's story. Who can deny reasonable doubt now. The question is if Martin was assaulting Zimmerman, not if Zimmerman put himself in a bad situation (through perfectly legal actions). Z was the watch lead in a neighborhood that had several break ins, was told by the police to call the non 911 number if he spotted anything suspicious(thus the numerous other calls), and he probably thought that the police would arrive too late to find Martin so he followed him. Racially motivated? Almost definitely. Illegal? Hell no. Is anybody on here actually saying that there is no possible way that Martin was on top of Zimmerman punching him? If it is possible, then reasonable doubt exists. It doesn't mean it is true, just that we don't send possibly innocent people to jail or death without concrete proof.

 
http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/conflicting-testimony-from-neighbors-in-zimmerman-trial/2013/06/28/124f211a-e01c-11e2-963a-72d740e88c12_story.html

"The figures shifted to the concrete walkway, and that’s when Good says he saw the dark-clothed person — who he now knows was Martin — straddle the man in red. The figure on top was “raining down blows” and was using moves similar to a mixed martial arts (MMA) combatant, Good said."

Eye witness testimony that matches Zimmerman's story. Who can deny reasonable doubt now. The question is if Martin was assaulting Zimmerman, not if Zimmerman put himself in a bad situation (through perfectly legal actions). Z was the watch lead in a neighborhood that had several break ins, was told by the police to call the non 911 number if he spotted anything suspicious(thus the numerous other calls), and he probably thought that the police would arrive too late to find Martin so he followed him. Racially motivated? Almost definitely. Illegal? Hell no. Is anybody on here actually saying that there is no possible way that Martin was on top of Zimmerman punching him? If it is possible, then reasonable doubt exists. It doesn't mean it is true, just that we don't send possibly innocent people to jail or death without concrete proof...... unless they are a minority ( mostly black ), poor, uneducated, mentally handicapped, not famous... then its ok'
Please excuse egofed he forgot to add the following to the end.......

I wonder how egofed and his righty companions feel about all the innocent people in jail that was finally released because of the work of some "liberal" "non-profit" "ACLU-type" law groups....

By the way how many people possibly innocent have good old CONSERVATIVE Texas put to death?

Please tell us how you feel about Gitmo, NDAA....

Oh and do tell us how you feel about shooting a unarmed 17 year old walking home in the rain with a can of soda and skittles because a tough wannabe cop though he was a criminal and decided to take matters into his own hands, with no prove or evidence to back up his assumption.

 
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Here's some additional info about the defense's star witness: He never actually saw Martin throw any punches and simply assumed it was Zimmerman on the bottom screaming for help:

http://thinkprogress.org/politics/2013/06/28/2232681/witness-admission-zimmerman/

There's another link attached to that story detailing the several witnesses who changed their accounts (the aforementioned witness included): http://articles.orlandosentinel.com/2012-05-22/news/os-george-zimmerman-key-witnesses-20120522_1_witnesses-change-shooting-fdle-agent

 
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Have you read your sig lately? That's a great example of your tolerance right there.
Hmmm...democrats have done nothing you say? I'd say stopping conservatives from stripping every last social safety net is a pretty big thing.

So tell me Mr Tolerance, how do you feel about Islam and Muslims? :rofl:.

Typical liberal potshots, avoid the questions, change the subject.

The questions I asked Finger about what your libs have done since the 60's to help minorities can be applied to you. Tell me what they've done, black were largely Republican prior to FDR and the depression where social programs got their start, interesting isn't it?Your just as racist and intolerant of religion as he is, and you know what I posted about bribing them with gov. assistance for votes and doing nothing to promote better education and business. Your party is the party of dead ends. White liberals are the truest racists on this planet, and the democrats that get elected in black neighborhoods are so corrupt and incompetent, I bet you a republican could get elected and keep the costs down in those neighborhoods and encourage growth and business tax credits. Instead make way for Charlie Rangel who is a criminal and ethical joke that gets elected because they think he has their best interests in heart.

Yeah, let's talk Muslims and maybe you Mr. Tolerance can tell us how you feel ABOUT CHRISTIANS AND JEWS, you'll avoid the question obviously but your honest opinion would be refreshing. I embrace all religion, I think the big three as well as a lot of the older religions all have positive messages which encourage making the world a better place. I think that Muslims have a lot of people that twist the message of the religion and use it to justify their actions. I think that women are oppressed unfarily in the middle east and gays are openly killed, remember in Iran there are no gays. Do I think Muslims are bad, absolutely not. I think of a world of religion, of people obeying the message to love thy neighbor, help the poor, and follow the faiths practices are better than a world of atheists who generally care for themselves and don't feel the calling to do good in this world. Again, give me your opinion of the big 3 religions, try to keep things relevant to today. I am calling you out like I called out Finger for what races and religions conservatives feared, he couldn't tell me what races and religions his own party feared so I enjoyed making him look like an idiot, now somebody like you who takes potshots can answer the same questions you asked me.

I can honestly say through my church we have done more good for people of all colors and people in poor countries in a month then your party does for them in a year. I would love to hear anything you've done for minorities, I doubt you care about them, I think you hate whites and Christians far more than love minorities and they are just a means to an end for people like you.

 
Please excuse egofed he forgot to add the following to the end.......

I wonder how egofed and his righty companions feel about all the innocent people in jail that was finally released because of the work of some "liberal" "non-profit" "ACLU-type" law groups....

By the way how many people possibly innocent have good old CONSERVATIVE Texas put to death?

Please tell us how you feel about Gitmo, NDAA....

Oh and do tell us how you feel about shooting a unarmed 17 year old walking home in the rain with a can of soda and skittles because a tough wannabe cop though he was a criminal and decided to take matters into his own hands, with no prove or evidence to back up his assumption.
Drat! You found us out. Conservatives LOVE when innocent people are put to death and jailed. We also LOVE dirty air and water....and kicking puppies....and slapping albino midget babies around....You do realize how ridiculous you sound when making such drastic and broad accusations, right? Its kinda like if I said "All liberals want to see innocent babies die in horrible ways." How do YOU feel about abortion?

Anyway, Zimmerman has "prove" (I think you are looking for the word PROOF) and evidence. He has an eye witness account of Martin beating on him, he has injuries consistent with such a beating, and he has the fact that he actually doesn't have to prove anything. The state does. And without any "reasonable" doubt. I get that you feel Z is a racist who killed Martin with a premeditated vengeance. I'll entertain the possibility. BUT, and this is due to OUR LAWS, if his story is reasonably believable with supporting facts, then he should go free. Do you want to see him burn because of atrocities committed against minorities in courts of law that Z has no relation to? Vengeance for past ills? I support the death penalty for cases in which multiple, reliable eye witnesses identify the murderer , such as the Fort Hood shooting, etc. or video evidence is clear and in total agreement. Fry em till their crispy, none of that mental illness BS either. If you are sick enough to kill innocent people that you don't know, then you don't need to share this plane of existence. All other cases, such as where ID's are conflicting, etc., should NOT be tried for the death penalty. Man, I hope you never end up in a murder jury. Your inability to grasp the reasonable doubt idea is scary.....

 
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I'm also curious where is the outrage in the black community over Odin Lloyd, he was unarmed, he actually did less than Treyvon in terms of attacking the man who killed him, the man was innocent, who was allegedly killed by Aaron Hernandez and a group of hispanic and black men who have already been arrested.  

And where is the outrage over this:

http://www.nj.com/passaic-county/index.ssf/2013/06/paterson_police_identify_man_who_shot_five_killed_one_over_one_night_last_week.html

Or this:

http://www.northjersey.com/news/crime_courts/Paterson_police_arrest_4_seek_1_in_fatal_shooting.html

Or this:

http://thealternativepress.com/towns/paterson/articles/suspect-identified-in-last-weeks-murder-outside

Or this:

http://writingshares.com/paterson-new-jersey-crime-news-latasha-smith-stabbed-and-killed-murder-suspect-is-ex-boyfriend-raheem-jones/

Or this:

http://editor.thealternativepress.com/sections/police-and-fire/articles/paterson-police-hunt-for-samuel-johnson-idd-as

These are all unarmed innocent black men and women killed by other black people.  I'm just not sure why there is no outrage for these people in the black community or any community that values human life.  Is it ok to kill a black person, provided the killer is black?  Is that like the N word, only blacks can do it and it's ok.  And I am not making light of this.  I chose one neighboorhood near me for about a month and this isn't all of them, in fact this week just in the paper I get there were at least half a dozen shootings similiar to the above, only one of which I posted above.  This is happening all over the country.  

Edit:  And Aaron is hispanic obviously, and this murder is just routine in the news, if he wasn't a sports figure I doubt most of us would have heard about it.  But Zimmerman is also hispanic, half hispanic and half white.  Same unarmed black victim, but Zimmerman can argue that it was self defense.  So what makes this different, is it just the white half of Zimmerman that has caused this outrage?

 
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Typical liberal potshots, avoid the questions, change the subject.

The questions I asked Finger about what your libs have done since the 60's to help minorities can be applied to you. Tell me what they've done, black were largely Republican prior to FDR and the depression where social programs got their start, interesting isn't it?Your just as racist and intolerant of religion as he is, and you know what I posted about bribing them with gov. assistance for votes and doing nothing to promote better education and business. Your party is the party of dead ends. White liberals are the truest racists on this planet, and the democrats that get elected in black neighborhoods are so corrupt and incompetent, I bet you a republican could get elected and keep the costs down in those neighborhoods and encourage growth and business tax credits. Instead make way for Charlie Rangel who is a criminal and ethical joke that gets elected because they think he has their best interests in heart.

Yeah, let's talk Muslims and maybe you Mr. Tolerance can tell us how you feel ABOUT CHRISTIANS AND JEWS, you'll avoid the question obviously but your honest opinion would be refreshing. I embrace all religion, I think the big three as well as a lot of the older religions all have positive messages which encourage making the world a better place. I think that Muslims have a lot of people that twist the message of the religion and use it to justify their actions. I think that women are oppressed unfarily in the middle east and gays are openly killed, remember in Iran there are no gays. Do I think Muslims are bad, absolutely not. I think of a world of religion, of people obeying the message to love thy neighbor, help the poor, and follow the faiths practices are better than a world of atheists who generally care for themselves and don't feel the calling to do good in this world. Again, give me your opinion of the big 3 religions, try to keep things relevant to today. I am calling you out like I called out Finger for what races and religions conservatives feared, he couldn't tell me what races and religions his own party feared so I enjoyed making him look like an idiot, now somebody like you who takes potshots can answer the same questions you asked me.

I can honestly say through my church we have done more good for people of all colors and people in poor countries in a month then your party does for them in a year. I would love to hear anything you've done for minorities, I doubt you care about them, I think you hate whites and Christians far more than love minorities and they are just a means to an end for people like you.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5KHdhrNhh88 Truth

 
Typical liberal potshots, avoid the questions, change the subject.

The questions I asked Finger about what your libs have done since the 60's to help minorities can be applied to you. Tell me what they've done, black were largely Republican prior to FDR and the depression where social programs got their start, interesting isn't it?Your just as racist and intolerant of religion as he is, and you know what I posted about bribing them with gov. assistance for votes and doing nothing to promote better education and business. Your party is the party of dead ends. White liberals are the truest racists on this planet, and the democrats that get elected in black neighborhoods are so corrupt and incompetent, I bet you a republican could get elected and keep the costs down in those neighborhoods and encourage growth and business tax credits. Instead make way for Charlie Rangel who is a criminal and ethical joke that gets elected because they think he has their best interests in heart.

Yeah, let's talk Muslims and maybe you Mr. Tolerance can tell us how you feel ABOUT CHRISTIANS AND JEWS, you'll avoid the question obviously but your honest opinion would be refreshing. I embrace all religion, I think the big three as well as a lot of the older religions all have positive messages which encourage making the world a better place. I think that Muslims have a lot of people that twist the message of the religion and use it to justify their actions. I think that women are oppressed unfarily in the middle east and gays are openly killed, remember in Iran there are no gays. Do I think Muslims are bad, absolutely not. I think of a world of religion, of people obeying the message to love thy neighbor, help the poor, and follow the faiths practices are better than a world of atheists who generally care for themselves and don't feel the calling to do good in this world. Again, give me your opinion of the big 3 religions, try to keep things relevant to today. I am calling you out like I called out Finger for what races and religions conservatives feared, he couldn't tell me what races and religions his own party feared so I enjoyed making him look like an idiot, now somebody like you who takes potshots can answer the same questions you asked me.

I can honestly say through my church we have done more good for people of all colors and people in poor countries in a month then your party does for them in a year. I would love to hear anything you've done for minorities, I doubt you care about them, I think you hate whites and Christians far more than love minorities and they are just a means to an end for people like you.
You know what....

If you are the product of the same religion you so proudly talk about here... We have the right to be against such a religion

The religion that produce a person like you, need to be stopped !!!!

 
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