Blu-ray Glitch List - Titles you might want to avoid.

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Thought this might be helpful to those just getting into BD :)

(UPDATED 3/30/09)

CONFIRMED CURRENT PROBLEM USA BDs
***Releases highlighted in red have problems being ignored by the studio***
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007: For Your Eyes Only
* An issue with one of the BD-J files may cause your player to freeze
! Fox has a replacement program available: 1-888-223-2FOX

1408
* Severe jaggies persist throughout the film.
! Weinstein has not addressed this as of 1/14/09

3:10 to Yuma
* Significant chroma fringing/errors in transfer, most visible during credits (rainbow colors around edges of text).
! LionsGate does not consider this an issue

Baraka (Horrible cardboard eco-pak edition)
* Some copies freeze at 1hr 13mins mark. A batch of the initial run of discs in the poorly-made cardboard case had significant manufacturing issues which some players are more sensitive to than others.
! MPI has a replacement program available

Blade Runner (slimline case)
* Some copies do not have the final cut on Disc 1 as it should be, instead having a repeat of the workprint disc
! Warner has a replacement program available

The Descent (MPEG2)
* Significant chroma fringing/errors in transfer, most visible during credits (rainbow colors around edges of text). AUS version is unaffected.
! LionsGate does not consider this an issue

Die Hard 2
* DTS-HDMA lossless track incorrectly flagged as DTS-HD lossy, resulting in lossy output or no sound at all on some setups
! Fox has began to collect addresses of people with a problem to resend a second set of replacement discs when available (first replacement was the same disc)
Support contacts: [email protected] -and- [email protected]
However as of 1/8/09 Fox still has failed to send out fixed replacement discs; UK and AUS copies are not affected.

Dirty Dancing
* Master appears to have been incorrectly scaled prior to encoding, resulting in severe jaggies.
! LionsGate does not consider this an issue

District B13
* The only English subtitle option for this foreign movie is closed-captioned for the hearing impaired, resulting in sound effects being written out in the subtitles. This can be irritating for those who are not hearing impaired, an additional standard subtitle track would have been preferable.
! Magnolia does not consider this an issue

Enter the Dragon
* Master was incorrectly filtered prior to encoding resulting in severe jaggies; effective disc resolution is 960x1080.
! Warner does not consider this an issue, and states a new master must be struck to fix the problem.

Event Horizon
* Image is vertically stretched at times, resulting in "thin" faces and image distortion.
! Paramount has failed to address this issue as of 1/8/09

The Fugitive
* Master was incorrectly filtered prior to encoding resulting in severe jaggies; effective disc resolution is 960x1080.
! Warner does not consider this an issue, and states a new master must be struck to fix the problem.

Gulliver's Travels
* Aspect ratio is incorrect, cropped from 1.37:1 to 1.78:1.
! Koch does not consider this an issue.

Halloween
* Color balance during night scenes deviates from the filmmakers intentions
! Anchor Bay/Starz does not consider this an issue.

Harold and Kumar: Escape From Guantanamo Bay
* There are popping noises at branch points when listening to the fully decoded lossless DTS-MA soundtrack.
! New Line is aware of the issue, but no replacement program has been announced.

Immortal
* Right channel effects and center channel effects are swapped in TrueHD soundtrack.
! First Look Pictures has not announced a replacement program.

King of California
* Jaggies are noticable at times throughout the movie, possibly a low quality upconvert from 720p master.
! First Look Pictures has not addressed this as of 1/14/09

Led Zeppelin: The Song Remains the Same (both original release and re-release)
* 7-second TrueHD soundtrack dropout at 1:40:45, confirmed encoding error that affects all players. Lossless HD DVD version and lossy soundtracks on both versions are not affected.
! Warner has done a "silent release" of a corrected Blu-ray Disc. The files on the correctly authored disc are dated March 2008.

Let the Right One In
* Subtitle translation is incorrect.
! Magnolia does not consider this an issue and is not issuing replacements; instead, they will release a new version in the future with correct subtitles for purchase. Return your disc if you are dissatisfied with the incorrect subtitle translation.
http://iconsoffright.com/news/2009/03/let_the_wrong_subtitles_in_to.html

Lethal Weapon 2
* Master was incorrectly filtered prior to encoding resulting in severe jaggies; effective disc resolution is 960x1080.
! Warner does not consider this an issue, and states a new master must be struck to fix the problem.

Lost: Season 3
* On some copies, Disc 5 is a duplicate of Disc 1.
! Disney has a replacement program available.

Lost: Season 4
* The first 2 seconds of audio may be cut off when starting playback of an episode
! Disney has not addressed this issue as of 1/19/09

Matrix Revolutions
* Image breaks up or jumps at 1:45:46
! Warner appears to be coordinating a replacement program for this issue, but no discs are available yet. Click here for more info. Note that the UK version may not be affected by this glitch.

Next
* Severe jaggies throughout the film
! Paramount has failed to respond to this issue as of 1/14/09

The Night of the Werewolf/Vengeance of the Zombies
* Severe A/V lag during playback. All copies may not be affected.
! BCI does not consider this an issue

Paris, je t'aime
* The only English subtitle option for this foreign movie is closed-captioned for the hearing impaired, resulting in sound effects being written out in the subtitles. This can be irritating for those who are not hearing impaired, an additional standard subtitle track would have been preferable.
! First Look Pictures has failed to address this issue as of 1/8/09

Priceless
* The only English subtitle option for this foreign movie is closed-captioned for the hearing impaired, resulting in sound effects being written out in the subtitles. This can be irritating for those who are not hearing impaired, an additional standard subtitle track would have been preferable. Also, there are no english subtitles at all for the french extras included!
! First Look Pictures has failed to address this issue as of 1/19/09

Roy Orbison: Black and White Night
* Aspect ratio is incorrect, cropped from 1.37:1 to 1.78:1.
! Image Entertainment has failed to address this issue as of 1/8/09

Starship Troopers
* Editing error where a few frames of the movie are repeated, omitting what should actually be seen. Example: Faulty version --Corrected version.
! Sony has a replacement program available

Species
* Authoring error where attempting to access the subtitle options via the main menu or the pop-up menu results in freezing of the player controls. This has been confirmed by paidgeek, a Sony insider. The subtitles can still be accessed properly via the subtitle button on the player's remote.
! No replacement program is planned for this

Sukiyaki Western Django
* Right channel effects and center channel effects are swapped in TrueHD soundtrack.
! First Look Pictures has not announced a replacement program.

The Truman Show
* Image is horizontally stretched, resulting in overly "fat" faces and distortion.
! Paramount has failed to address this issue as of 1/8/09

Unbreakable
* PCM soundtrack popping/distortion in rear right surround at 8:30-8:32. Also a popping noise is heard in the center channel at 1:28:21.
! The UK version has a 16bit/48khz 5.1 PCM track that is unaffected by this issue.
! Disney has failed to address this issue as of 1/8/09

Young Guns
* Master was incorrectly filtered prior to encoding resulting in severe jaggies; effective disc resolution is 960x1080.
! LionsGate has failed to address this issue as of 1/8/09

UNCONFIRMED or EQUIPMENT-SPECIFIC BD GLITCHES
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Chicago
* PCM soundtrack popping/distortion
! Need more information to determine if this is a disc issue

PAST INCIDENTS - You'd be unlikely to find these problem discs in stores today, as they were fixed long ago.
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Blade Runner
* Some copies do not have the workprint on Disc 5 as it should be, instead having a repeat of the final cut disc
! Warner has a replacement program available

Chronos
* Some copies had an issue that prevented playback in some cases
! RBFilms has a replacement program available

The Descent (OOP/AVC release only)
* Movie file(s) were located in the wrong directory, making the disc unplayable in some cases. Serious chroma errors are visible in transfer, especially on credits.
! Title was recalled

The Fifth Element (OOP/original release)
* This title does not have any glitches, but it is being included because it has a poor transfer and the manufacturer is offering a free upgrade to the newer version w/ better transfer.
! Sony has a replacement program available.

Full Metal Jacket (OOP/original release only - original cover has white background)
* Master was incorrectly filtered prior to encoding resulting in severe jaggies; effective disc resolution is 960x1080.
! Warner has released a remastered BD with new artwork that is full 1080p resolution.

The Incredible Hulk
* In Canada, some early copies of the initial run of this title mistakenly have Ang Lee's earlier "Hulk" film in the case instead of the newer Incredible Hulk film.
! Universal has a replacement program available.

Pirates of the Carribean: Curse of the Black Pearl
* Framing error
! Disney has a replacement program available

Speed
* Some copies had an issue that prevented playback in some cases
! Fox has a replacement program available

Stargate
* Early copies were missing subtitles for a portion of the movie
! LionsGate has corrected the issue with a new pressing

Terminator 3
* Some copies have the main feature encoded in 1080i when IME is not enabled
! Warner has a replacement program available
 
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[quote name='ITDEFX']wow... you see how Sony promotes BR as being perfect... yea thanks again sony.:roll: keep this shit up and I am going to stick with current titles only.

Damn, I wonder how fucked up Terminator 1 is?[/quote]

Are you really this fucking stupid, or is this some kind of act for all of us?

What does Sony have to do with how the TRANSFERS of many of these movies have come out? Sony has absolutely ZERO input in many of these "issues". It's not Sony's fault or doing that some of these movies have problems. Blame the studios who put out these glitched releases.
 
[quote name='Ruined']Starship Troopers
* Editing error where a few frames of the movie are repeated, omitting what should actually be seen. Example: [/quote]

I have watched this clip over and over and I cannot figure out what the issue is here--could someone please explain?
 
[quote name='ITDEFX']wow... you see how Sony promotes BR as being perfect... yea thanks again sony.:roll: keep this shit up and I am going to stick with current titles only.

Damn, I wonder how fucked up Terminator 1 is?[/quote]

Terminator 1 has a great transfer... kicks the SD DVD in the nuts many times over. Many older movies obviously won't have a transfer as clean as more recent movies, but that's a given due to the film's age and amount of effort it'd take to restore to a peak level. A lot of movies aren't easily restored into HD as much as others, that's why there's a parity of the quality of releases out there.

I don't condone bad transfers on this premium technology either and nobody should, but not all titles will be 5-star just by the nature of the industry and how the movie was filmed in the first place. Yes, some BDs have transfers that aren't pristine and clearly could be better, but they will always perform better than their SD counterparts. It's just a matter of if the upgrade is a significant one worthy of a purchase. Just remember that Blu-ray is still very much in its early stages and the technology is being tinkered with still to maximize the potential.
 
it's not that old movies have bad picture quality... it's just some do and some don't.

2001 is a movie as old as they come and looks among the best in high-def.
 
[quote name='mtxbass1']Are you really this fucking stupid, or is this some kind of act for all of us?

What does Sony have to do with how the TRANSFERS of many of these movies have come out? Sony has absolutely ZERO input in many of these "issues". It's not Sony's fault or doing that some of these movies have problems. Blame the studios who put out these glitched releases.[/quote]

I guess you have been lucky enough to have never seen a br promo advertising perfect picture, perfect sound right? There should be more QA involved before the disc is released for replication. To have to pay 20+ more for a movie that is a small step up from the SD-DVD version with barely any new bonus features (or any features at all) is just a slap in the face for consumers. Not to mention video and sound errors and then having to wait around for the studio to fix the problem, which in some cases may take weeks or months or may be never addressed.


[quote name='dg7md']Terminator 1 has a great transfer... kicks the SD DVD in the nuts many times over. Many older movies obviously won't have a transfer as clean as more recent movies, but that's a given due to the film's age and amount of effort it'd take to restore to a peak level. A lot of movies aren't easily restored into HD as much as others, that's why there's a parity of the quality of releases out there.

I don't condone bad transfers on this premium technology either and nobody should, but not all titles will be 5-star just by the nature of the industry and how the movie was filmed in the first place. Yes, some BDs have transfers that aren't pristine and clearly could be better, but they will always perform better than their SD counterparts. It's just a matter of if the upgrade is a significant one worthy of a purchase. Just remember that Blu-ray is still very much in its early stages and the technology is being tinkered with still to maximize the potential.[/quote]

I am glad that Terminator 1 didn't make the glitch list. I was planning on buying T2, but found out it wasn't the extended version (hmm), and t3 had it's problems. With the new movie coming out this year, it is most likely there will be a re-release of all three movies in a pack, so I will wait for that one.

Yes it all depends on how the original film was perserved by the studio. If they did a good job preserving it over the years, and they have a hell of a mastering team, then yea it's going to look amazing on BR. Movies that just didn't stand up to the test of time, shouldn't be released to BR at all because it does bring out all the imperfections of original films (grain, scratches, etc).
 
[quote name='KyleN']I have watched this clip over and over and I cannot figure out what the issue is here--could someone please explain?[/QUOTE]

The error lasts for 5 seconds directly after he says "Fall back into the compound! Fall back!" In the first faulty clip, a portion already seen from about 10 seconds back in the movie is simply repeated again. In the corrected version, there is the actual footage missing from the faulty version.
 
[quote name='ITDEFX']I guess you have been lucky enough to have never seen a br promo advertising perfect picture, perfect sound right? There should be more QA involved before the disc is released for replication. To have to pay 20+ more for a movie that is a small step up from the SD-DVD version with barely any new bonus features (or any features at all) is just a slap in the face for consumers. Not to mention video and sound errors and then having to wait around for the studio to fix the problem, which in some cases may take weeks or months or may be never addressed.
[/quote]

And how is any of that SONY's fault? Sony does not handle the transfers. Sony does not "QA" the disc. You blame Sony for these problems and for "false advertisement" when you should be blaming the STUDIOS who are putting out these poor transfers.

And I'm not if you've noticed or not, but these problems are rather minuscule on a large number of these movies. Wow, a single line doesn't sync up, or some colors are off during the credits. WOW. Many of the things on this list the OP has provided are purely subjective. I've got about 50 blu-rays that do in fact give me PERFECT picture and PERFECT sound. What's your point?
 
[quote name='mtxbass1']And how is any of that SONY's fault? Sony does not handle the transfers. Sony does not "QA" the disc. You blame Sony for these problems and for "false advertisement" when you should be blaming the STUDIOS who are putting out these poor transfers.

And I'm not if you've noticed or not, but these problems are rather minuscule on a large number of these movies. Wow, a single line doesn't sync up, or some colors are off during the credits. WOW. Many of the things on this list the OP has provided are purely subjective. I've got about 50 blu-rays that do in fact give me PERFECT picture and PERFECT sound. What's your point?[/QUOTE]

Whatever you want to believe and whatever is the truth, Sony will, and does, take the flak for bad quality discs - whether it's their fault or not. For most people, Sony = Blu-ray, and vice-versa. So if there's a problem with BDs, Sony is going to catch hell for it.
 
[quote name='CocheseUGA']Whatever you want to believe and whatever is the truth, Sony will, and does, take the flak for bad quality discs - whether it's their fault or not. For most people, Sony = Blu-ray, and vice-versa. So if there's a problem with BDs, Sony is going to catch hell for it.[/quote]

Of course. Idiots like ITDEFX are proof that people are going to complain about Sony when it's not even Sony's doing. No matter who puts out the technology, they're going to blame them instead of the producers of the content.
 
[quote name='mtxbass1']Of course. Idiots like ITDEFX are proof that people are going to complain about Sony when it's not even Sony's doing. No matter who puts out the technology, they're going to blame them instead of the producers of the content.[/QUOTE]

You should probably take a break.
 
[quote name='mtxbass1']Of course. Idiots like ITDEFX are proof that people are going to complain about Sony when it's not even Sony's doing. No matter who puts out the technology, they're going to blame them instead of the producers of the content.[/quote]

Dude, you really need to chill out. You are so PRO Sony fan boy. If you break it down to the basics, BR just uses other compression codecs on a higher storage disc.

[quote name='CocheseUGA']Whatever you want to believe and whatever is the truth, Sony will, and does, take the flak for bad quality discs - whether it's their fault or not. For most people, Sony = Blu-ray, and vice-versa. So if there's a problem with BDs, Sony is going to catch hell for it.[/quote]

This is true, because Sony is aggressively promoting BR with the Perfect Picture, Perfect Sound campaign. So everyone thinks BR=Sony/PS3=BR/Sony=$$$.
If they drop that misleading campaign, then all will be good.
Sony is taking a cut from all these studios when they release a movie on THEIR FORMAT (sony's). I can't remember the site, but it was enough to realize why BR discs are either twice or three times more expensive then the DVD counter part. Some people are starting to think that SD-DVD's are getting the shaft these days because they want people to buy BR's more. They should be more actively involved with the QA on these discs. Do you have any idea how much it costs to duplicate all those discs, only to find out a few days/weeks later that there are glitches then have to go back and fix it (if it can be fixed) and have to duplicate a new master??!?!
I raither have a movie take 6 months to come out on BR with zero glitches or problems vs having a movie that came out in 3 months with glitches.


[quote name='CocheseUGA']You should probably take a break.[/quote]
Agreed.
 
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[quote name='VipFREAK']I couldn't believe it, but it makes sense. Can't take an avatar sized pic and make it 1080p quality. I wonder how they get around that or if they are just praying the average consumer continues to be oblivious to it?[/QUOTE]

I don't know if you understand this, what does avatar sized pictures have to do with anything? Film can actually store MORE information than 1080p.
 
I got a used copy of Pirates of the Caribbean, what do I do to exchange it? Also what is a framing problem exactly, is it easily noticable? I haven't watched the movie yet, but I would like to go ahead and get a copy with no problems.
 
Thanks for compiling the list... Has anyone else noticed that the Italian Job is extremely grainy... It bothered me so much I couldn't watch the entire film.
 
[quote name='deluxeg']I don't know if you understand this, what does avatar sized pictures have to do with anything? Film can actually store MORE information than 1080p.[/quote]

I'm talking about scaling you idiot... Not storage. :roll:
 
Dang, I have Enter the Dragon.

Haven't popped it in since I got it though. It just goes to show how much I take a title being on blu-ray for granted--one should never assume PQ is going to be "better" just cause it's on the HD format. >_
 
[quote name='VipFREAK']I'm talking about scaling you idiot... Not storage. :roll:[/QUOTE]

I am not talking about storage either I am talking about picture information ie. resolution. Film is a higher resolution than 1080p so what scaling are you talking about? It's not like they are selling upconverted DVD's as blu-ray discs.
 
this is a real issue for people without the right equipement yet. I dont yet own a HDMI compatible reciever to enjoy the HD audio codecs and I own Die Hard 2 with no way to test.

Should I replace it anyway?
 
[quote name='thewatcher']this is a real issue for people without the right equipement yet. I dont yet own a HDMI compatible reciever to enjoy the HD audio codecs and I own Die Hard 2 with no way to test.

Should I replace it anyway?[/QUOTE]

Fox has no replacement available yet, and all copies are affected. The only way to get a fixed DH2 is to import the regionfree UK or AUS versions. But you can put your name on the list in case for if/when Fox sends out replacements.
 
Thanks for making this thread. I'm sure I'll find the information very useful in the future (when I have money).
 
[quote name='h3llbring3r']Any word on the Young Guns issue? I picked this up on sale @ $10 without researching it.[/QUOTE]

As far as I know there has been no correction.
 
[quote name='Ruined']As far as I know there has been no correction.[/quote]

FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU . . . oh well, only $10 for a movie I ALREADY OWNED ON DVD. Glad I saw the post on POTC, I almost bought that one.
 
Hey I was wondering if I'm the only person that has an issue with the PCM audio track on 2001: A Space Odyssey. I get this annoying humming with that track but not with the Dolby Digital one. I've only got my PS3 to test this on. Can anyone else confirm that I'm not the only one suffering from this?
 
Saints & Soldiers BD won't play the special features, though it could be a compatibility problem, I suppose (UK import). When a special feature is chosen, the screen goes black like it's getting ready to play but then goes right back to the main menu.

The movie itself seems to be okay, but I haven't watched more than the first five minutes.
 
Hellboy (1) looks really bad on Blu-Ray. The graininess is off the charts. I couldn't even watch half of it because I was constantly irritated from the bad quality.

On a side-note, The Golden Compass Blu-Ray has incredible quality and even repairs a bad lighting shot seen in the theaters.
 
[quote name='voidedx']Hellboy (1) looks really bad on Blu-Ray. The graininess is off the charts. I couldn't even watch half of it because I was constantly irritated from the bad quality.

On a side-note, The Golden Compass Blu-Ray has incredible quality and even repairs a bad lighting shot seen in the theaters.[/quote]

I've got both live-action Hellboy movies on Bluray and they both look excellent. I don't know what would cause the graininess.
 
Yeah, the extras on that disc are PAL so they aren't going to play on a Region A player. Not a glitch.

[quote name='thelonepig']Saints & Soldiers BD won't play the special features, though it could be a compatibility problem, I suppose (UK import). When a special feature is chosen, the screen goes black like it's getting ready to play but then goes right back to the main menu.

The movie itself seems to be okay, but I haven't watched more than the first five minutes.[/quote]
 
[quote name='voidedx']Hellboy (1) looks really bad on Blu-Ray. The graininess is off the charts. I couldn't even watch half of it because I was constantly irritated from the bad quality.

On a side-note, The Golden Compass Blu-Ray has incredible quality and even repairs a bad lighting shot seen in the theaters.[/quote]
Maybe you have a bad disc? As Hellboy received a good review for picture quality by High-Def Digest: http://bluray.highdefdigest.com/797/hellboy.html#Section3 and is also listed as Gold on the PQ tier at AVS: http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=858316
 
[quote name='graf1k']Yeah, the extras on that disc are PAL so they aren't going to play on a Region A player. Not a glitch.[/quote]

I looked around online before I imported it to make sure it would play and ran across this review: http://www.blu-ray.com/movies/movies.php?id=2530&show=review

(Note: Even though this Blu-ray release is marketed as Region-B, it is in fact Region-Free. The main menu is not in PAL, and you won’t have any issues playing the disc’s content on your Region-A PS3 or SA).
Click to expand...

At least I can watch the movie though. Thanks for confirming my suspicion.
 
As far as Starship Troopers goes, is this limited to the US release? I was thinking about buying the uk import version of this from someone.
 
[quote name='darkdaze73']As far as Starship Troopers goes, is this limited to the US release? I was thinking about buying the uk import version of this from someone.[/QUOTE]

Yes, only the US version is affected; UK version should be fine.
 
[quote name='voidedx']Hellboy (1) looks really bad on Blu-Ray. The graininess is off the charts. I couldn't even watch half of it because I was constantly irritated from the bad quality.[/QUOTE]

Grain does not make a movie "look bad." Film, which most movies are shot on, inherently has grain. It is naturally there. If you use DNR to remove the grain, you remove the fine detail as well because the fine detail is actually stored in those film grains. So you have the choice of either watching with grain and getting the full detail as seen in the theaters, or you can DNR out the grain and get effective lower resolution and a video-like look.

Personally, I far prefer grain & theatrical-like look than trying to DNR everything (losing fine detail in the process) to look like a video game/wax museum. Film grain is to Blu-ray what "black bars"/widescreen was to DVD; it takes some adjusting to, but in the end you are getting higher quality with the grain intact. There is little point to high resolution/Blu-ray if you filter out tons of fine detail.
 
[quote name='Ruined']Grain does not make a movie "look bad." Film, which most movies are shot on, inherently has grain. It is naturally there. If you use DNR to remove the grain, you remove the fine detail as well because the fine detail is actually stored in those film grains. So you have the choice of either watching with grain and getting the full detail as seen in the theaters, or you can DNR out the grain and get effective lower resolution and a video-like look.

Personally, I far prefer grain & theatrical-like look than trying to DNR everything (losing fine detail in the process) to look like a video game/wax museum. Film grain is to Blu-ray what "black bars"/widescreen was to DVD; it takes some adjusting to, but in the end you are getting higher quality with the grain intact. There is little point to high resolution/Blu-ray if you filter out tons of fine detail.[/quote]

That depends on whether the grain was artificial or inherent to the film media it is shot on.
Some spec effects films, CGI, IMAX shot, 1080p+ video shot, and animated CGI movies now have added film-grain purely for effect.

If it is intentional and natural to the film, like in Reservoir Dogs and it is inherent to the film, then that is fine; If it's added for "credibility" or appearance with Magic Bullet software . . .etc. and only for effect then it's crap and shouldn't be in the Blu version IMHO.

To me it's like people who prefer the audio of a Vinyl LP over a CD because they like the pop and crackle-calling CD's artificially bright. It's a thin argument.
 
[quote name='gunm']You missed Ruined's point--he was specifically referring to a shot on film movie.[/QUOTE]

Which is 99% of non-animated movies that have been made. Recently there have been a select few shot on digital, but even recently the ratio is very small. Most movies pre-2000 and most movies still going forward are shot on film.

The movie in question (Hellboy) was shot on 35mm film, not digitally:
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0167190/technical
This is the most common way film is shot.

Thus if you filter out the grain, you also filter out the fine detail and defeat the purpose of having a high resolution format in the first place. Sony's transfer of it is great.
 
[quote name='gunm']You missed Ruined's point--he was specifically referring to a shot on film movie.[/quote]

I was actually agreeing with him, just expounding on the idea. Some movies shot on film, like indie titles artificially enhance and/or add granularity for grittiness, but even then as long as that is the directors intent it's a good thing.
 
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