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Whats the HRAP3 equivalent for 360? The HRAP Ex? I like the HRAP3 but that's PS3 only. Don't want the SC4/DOA one. Hopefully can pick up the 360 SF4 TE.
 
Just found out the TE sticks will be carried in Canada! Preorders don't start until March though =O. MarkMan, call up those factories at tell them to work harder!
 
Glad to hear the pads are getting decent reviews, since that's all I'm getting. The sticks are too rich for me. Besides, I own Ascii pads, neo geo pads, and a pair of Pelican adapters. I'm all set for SF IV.
 
[quote name='Jimbo Slice']lame.

the fact that a macro'd joystick exists is so corny. learn to play the damn game.[/QUOTE]

sticks with programmable inputs are useful in creating combo videos and practicing against situational setups if there is no record/playback in training mode.

i'm not sure but i heard sf4 won't even have record/playback in its training mode so a progammable stick would be useful in learning how to punish certain moves on reaction or practice blocking against a poke string.

its not like these sticks are used in tourney play and online should never be taken serious because nobody has any control over lag.
 
[quote name='akuma001']online should never be taken serious because nobody has any control over lag.[/quote]

my bittorent spam says otherwise



jk, i hate lag
 
I dunno, I hate macro'd buttons just like how I hate turbo...

There are a good amount of people on STHD using turbo, and it's pretty easy to tell.
 
Of course online should be taken seriously... it's bringing fighting games back! For the price of a new cabinet, you can get a sweet HDTV, XBox 360, arcade stick, surround system, games, and have money to spare.
 
[quote name='striker199']Whats the HRAP3 equivalent for 360? The HRAP Ex? I like the HRAP3 but that's PS3 only. Don't want the SC4/DOA one. Hopefully can pick up the 360 SF4 TE.[/QUOTE]

Yesh. If you can't get the SF4 TE, the HRAP EX is your next best choice. I really hope I can convince myself that the Fightpad 360 is good enough, I have too many joysticks already.
 
pic time! it's done!!

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observations:

the overall paint job and carpentry work is shyt and imprecise. some of the edges are rough and it does wobble when places on a flat surface.

buttons are too close to the stick. When I'm not looking at the stick in my NXE menu and I try to press A, I always press B accidentally

but the good thing is it does have a good size and weight on it. I can rest it on my lap comfortably and there's good space to rest my wrists on as well.

umm... that's all I can think of for now.
 
[quote name='Jest']I was expecting more JEKKISTYLE to be honest.[/quote]

Yea.. something with clowns and Skittles.. and a little panda bearing masturbating or something.
 
I love the colors and art. I wish I thought of it. The joystick is might close to the buttons, do it feel ok? Overall it's very impressive for your first homemade stick.

BTW, I plan on making another "how to" blog. This time on painting MDF. I'll teach you on how to paint real well for next time. :p
 
I commented on Jekki's arcade stick on GAF already but yeah, it looks sweet. I think I'm going to leave mine plain wood, no art for now.

You used some really thin gauge wire on the buttons! Or maybe I used too thick?
 
[quote name='controlcommerce']I love the colors and art. I wish I thought of it. The joystick is might close to the buttons, do it feel ok? Overall it's very impressive for your first homemade stick.

BTW, I plan on making another "how to" blog. This time on painting MDF. I'll teach you on how to paint real well for next time. :p[/QUOTE]lol 1st homemade stick?? this is my 3rd.

despite the cramping, the stick still plays comfortably. You just need to look at the stick before placing your hands on it, otherwise u'll miss the first 2 buttons
 
Nice.

You guys think the Xbox 360 Real Arcade Pro. EX is worth the extra $50 over the Xbox 360 Fighter IV FightStick?
 
I think it is worth it. But if you're going to spend $129, you might as well get a TE FightStick. 20 dollars more for all Sanwa parts.
 
I want a reg Fightstick so I can replace all of the parts with Seimitsu. But I'm a bit broke after getting the TE stick and SFIV. Will it be as limited as the TE stick?
 
[quote name='MarkMan']I think it is worth it. But if you're going to spend $129, you might as well get a TE FightStick. 20 dollars more for all Sanwa parts.[/quote]

True. Might have to wait and see if they become available again.
 
[quote name='JEKKI']lol 1st homemade stick?? this is my 3rd.

despite the cramping, the stick still plays comfortably. You just need to look at the stick before placing your hands on it, otherwise u'll miss the first 2 buttons[/QUOTE]

My fault. First stick using Jap buttons and stick? I just remember that ordeal with the wrong size hole saws and drill bits. Where are the pics of your other sticks?

Markman, can you give me a straight on whether or not Madcatz put more TE sticks in production or am I SOL because I didn't pre-order?
 
OMG Jekki I love the art on both of those sticks.

DDS kicks ass, 2 stupid dogs was my favorite show as a kid.


I always loved their rendition of secret squirrel.
 
speaking of stick art!!
no one seems to like mine :oops:
I invite all you stick heads to check out my latest CAG blog (link in sig) and offer your constructive criticisms!
 
[quote name='MarkMan']Inside wiring of regular SF4 FightStick (360)....

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Was there a fire in there? Where the joystick used to be? ;)
 
Some very awesome feedback/in depth impressions from Toodles, father of the Cthulhu board.

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[quote name='Toodles']MarkMan asked, so here's my opinion so far. You're free to use this any place you like.

Overall, I absolutely love what I see. The pictures of the sticks I've seen so far show me a level of care and attention to detail that I would never have thought to come from a MadCatz product. We all know their rep, have experienced their products first hand, and have heard that they are serious about changing their image. Based on these pictures, I actually believe them. But, if you're here reading this, you probably know this, so I'll try to skip over the generalities.

The TE case looks wonderful. Top and bottom access is great; I am one of those that truly believes that if you can't open it, you don't own it. This one is made to be opened up, warranty be damned. Sticks and buttons look like a snooze to replace, but that's obvious. The quick disconnects have insulating sleeves on them. I mean, really, what the hell kind of anal retentive perfectionist puts sleeves on QD's, when the only possible way for the prongs to get smooshed together involve either voiding the warranty or a trash compactor? I don't know, but I'm glad they worked on this stick. Is it gonna affect anything? Nope, chances are it will never matter to anyone who owns them. But it is an attention to detail trying to do things 'The Right Way'. Silly sentiment, I know, but MadCatz decided to spend the extra 5 cents per stick to do it The Right Way instead of pocketing it. That says a lot.

The construction seems to be all based on the bottom black plastic frame. Most sticks made of plastic use supporting plastic columns to keep the flex down, while the TE looks to be based on the black plastic frame. I think that's a great choice, as long as that black frame is solid plastic. Based on weight, I think it is.

I'm a little worried about how well the hinged door in the back will hold up to the abuse I give my sticks. Structurally, from the little I've seen of it, I expect it to be the first point of failure in these sticks. There is a good chance that we'll see a number of these at tournaments a couple of years from now with the back door busted. There is still every chance that I'll change my opinion once I see how the door and hinge are constructed myself, but from a physical perspective, it's the first place I'd start scrutinizing.

Electrically, the 360 version. The layout on the 360 TE stick, and the SE stick, is very compartmentalized. The button all go to a distribution block and are connected with QD's that are similar or identical to the ones connecting the buttons. That's kinda cool. I really wonder why the same thing wasn't done with the stick. If the stick is replaced with one that uses still uses a 5 pin connector, but either rotates the microswitch board for some reason, or uses a different pinout 5 pin connector like some Seimitsu's, either soldering will have to be involved, or someone will have to take a lot of care to remove the pins from the 5 pin and replace in the right order. It know its minor bitching about what isn't there versus what is there, but it just seems weird seeing all of the buttons going to a sweet distribution block and connected to the main pcb with removable connectors, then see the stick wires soldered in place.

The wires themselves look to be 22 gauge wires, and judging by the fact that actually move, stranded at that. That just kind of struck me, because its WAY overkill for these. Those wires are going to last for freaking ever. Chalk up another 'The Right Way' with a side of 'Going for Epic'.

The lock switch was a great idea. It should disable anyone from activating the Home/Guide button and turbo. I wont know more until I see that little board myself, but I expect that it cuts off the ground from the turbo and guide buttons so they'll never be activated. That's pretty cool, but I was really expecting it to also disable the start and/or select buttons. I know those buttons are on the back out of the way, but I still kind of thought the lock would disable those as well. (in fact, I think it could be setup to do exactly that) But, if it works like I think, this means the Turbo and Guide buttons are more than likely available to be hacked with; it should be VERY possible to use those with a dualed pcb that can handle them. Having the Guide button available to be 'Home' on a Cthulhu is very very likely, if if the board supported it, Turbo as well. If the LEDs work as I expect them to, then messing with the LEDs becomes very possible as well, including installing light up buttons that flash the same as the LEDs, or in different patterns. Because they are accessible via that ribbon cable, the sky's the limit.

Oh, did I mention it looks like EVERYTHING is labelled? I mean, seriously, the connections on the small pcb with the LEDs have silkscreen labels describing what they do, and so do the ones on the main pcb. Hot damn, that my friends is a dream.

One thing I am scratching my head over is the ribbon cables connecting the main pcb to the upper left pcb with the LEDs and guide button. There's a ferrite ring around two of them. I'm still an early EE student, but I honestly don't see any reason or benefit for those to be there. Maybe the designing engineer knows something I don't, but to eliminate the extra weight and reduce the possibility of rattling, I expect to remove those from my stick.

For the regular fightstick, all off the stuff I mentioned above applies. It seriously looks like the exact same pcbs just installed into a different case. That's a good thing. I expect the start and select buttons to be a little hinky, but I don't really care; it should be only a minor annoyance to remove them, drill in 24mm holes, and replace them with 'proper' parts, if anyone gets that's anal about the least used buttons.

Someone earlier was comparing the SE FightStick versus the closest competitors, like the EX2 and HFS3. Based on what I see in the FightStick photos, the difference is WELL worth the $20 or so difference in price. You can't really hack either of those without a dremel, so the long term life span is MUCH higher with the FightStick. Take a close peek at the buttons used on all three sticks. Those Hori buttons are crap, and it's even obvious just looking at a pictures; the plungers of the buttons are loose inside the button housing, while the FightStick buttons are in extremely close. The MadCatz buttons in the pictures I've seen, I'll admit, look like a Sanwa knock off, like they took apart a Sanwa button and made a mold out of it for their buttons. I don't care if they did; the construction of the MadCatz buttons looks GOOD, and I expect they'll be close to the performance of Sanwa's. If not, 5 minutes with a screwdriver and the new buttons are in.

I'm kind of torn on the SE FightStick case. See, on one hand, the supporting circular columns you see all of the time in plastic cases (smaller Hori sticks, Agetec stick, Namco stick, etc) isn't there. That means no dremeling to make room for other stuff, but it also means that there might be give in the top making the overall stick feel hollow. I'll have to see it in person to get a feel for it.

As for modding, damn. Damn. I've been jogging through my head thinking about various sticks and I can't really think of anything that comes close; everything in the same 'weight division' doesn't compare. The really weird thing? You don't have to. You don't have to mod either stick; it looks like it will be good out of the box. But if you do, oh boy. We are easy to identify place to tap into anything we might want; installing a Cthulhu into either stick looks not only possible, but pretty simple, even solderlessly. Even better, the directions for any kind of mod on one stick look like they will apply exactly the same on the other edition. 360 TE instructions could be followed on an SE without missing a step. Light up mods? Easy. Dual pcb mods? Easy. Want to add PSX support (outside of a Cthulhu; I'm not trying to make a sales pitch here.)? Get the pcb from an HRAP. Grab a collection of wire splices, about 20 cents each. Splice the wires together in the proper order, and you're done.

Comparing the TE to the HRAP3, the case construction is close, but the TE has the better layout with the Start and Select out of the way, plus much brighter future for modding especially with the removable arwork.

Comparing the TE to the HRAP EX, the TE wins handily just by being a common ground stick, with the very simple headset jack in the front instead of the monstrous thingy right over your stick, plus every reason given above against the HRAP3.

Comparing the SE to the EX2 or HFS3, SE wins easily. Similar case construction, but better original parts on the SE and the easy ability of replacing them down the road with a screwdriver instead of a dremel and soldering iron.

I cannot think of a Japanese style stick that is more welcome for modding than two editions of Hori's. It reminds me quite a bit of the SFAC stick and to a degree the Pelican Universal Arcade sticks, which were also begging to be modded. The big difference is though that you don't HAVE to mod the TE or SE to get good sticks because parts already are quality.

One last minor thing I'm worried about; I havent seen the business side of the pcb's yet. Most MadCatz products buy the 'wafer' of the chip they use and cover it in a blob of black epoxy because it's cheaper than buying the actual chip. I know its just a pet peeve, but I hate that. The chip should be exposed and soldered like any other. Even if they do go with the wafer+epoxy method, the pcb from the 360 version of either stick will end up being the 'dream' pcb for the Xbox360, much like the Agetec stick pcb is still the dream pcb for the Dreamcast.

We're gonna have a lot of fun with this. MadCatz and all involved did real good from everything I see.[/quote]
 
I think I have 2 questions for anyone that can answer them for me.
1)Has anyone seen or heard anything about this stick?
http://www.play-asia.com/paOS-13-71-zl-49-en-15-roydsstick-70-341i.html
It looks as if you can swap out the 8 button layout with a 4+1 button layout that comes with the stick. It would be great for Guilty Gear or some SNK fighters but I have never seen one until the other day.
2)If someone was to mod either the TE or RE FightStick, what size buttons would you need? I'm ordering some bat tops and buttons for all my sticks soon and what to order a set for whatever FightStick I eventually switch out buttons for.
 
Does anyone know (Markman) If Best Buy will be getting the Regular SF Sticks. I have like 120 in gift cards there and would like the game, a Stick and controller. Obv. I can not get that all with 120 but it would help.
 
[quote name='Logg']Does anyone know (Markman) If Best Buy will be getting the Regular SF Sticks. I have like 120 in gift cards there and would like the game, a Stick and controller. Obv. I can not get that all with 120 but it would help.[/quote]
I THINK MarkMan said Best Buy would be getting some of the SFIV stuff from Mad Catz. Don't hold me to it though.:cool:
 
Question on default PS3 button layouts for fighting games:

Are the "Fierce" and "Roundhouse" buttons L1 and R1 for most or all PS3 games?

I've noticed that STHDR uses L1 and R1 instead of R1 and R2. However, I'm not sure for the upcoming fighting games.

I'm wondering this because I'd like to padhack a sixaxis and from what people are saying, they've been having problems with the L2 and R2 buttons.

So maybe I should just set my 6 button layout to

[] /\ L1
X O R1

instead of the usual
[] /\ R1
X O R2

I know I can almost always change the inputs, but at times, STHDR ddoesn't save my custom controls and I'm sure changing controls when playing on a different ps3 is a hassle.
 
[quote name='Logg']Does anyone know (Markman) If Best Buy will be getting the Regular SF Sticks. I have like 120 in gift cards there and would like the game, a Stick and controller. Obv. I can not get that all with 120 but it would help.[/quote]


Best Buy online will get it... I don't think B&M stores will though.
 
Is there any maintenance/upkeep I should know about for keeping my JLF and buttons in great shape? I'd hate to have anything break orgo bad, although I'm sure they're designed for hundreds and hundreds of hours of use, too.
 
Best Buy website had the TE sticks for preorder this morning... I don't know if any are left, but its worth a look if you're trying to get one!
 
[quote name='MarkMan']Best Buy website had the TE sticks for preorder this morning... I don't know if any are left, but its worth a look if you're trying to get one![/QUOTE]

Thank god. I finally placed my order with a $50 gift card from x-mas and some left over rewards coupons. No more worrying about if I'll be able to get a stick or not. And I don't hate madcatz any more.
 
with srk down, this place and the gaf arcade stick thread will have to do for my tech talk forum fix. :/

what other forums do you guys look at to find stick/fighting game tech news?

i used to peep sites like arcadecontrols.com, shmups.com, neo-geo.com but everyone who posts there usually posts on srk. just wondering if there is anywhere else.

oh and does anybody know if i can put an ashtray on the tournament edition fight stick? i want that real japanese arcade feel. :p
 
To give my TE stick the arcade feel, I'd have to break a button (usually fierce punch :bomb:), put some chips in the casing, stain it with who knows what, make the stick looser than a French whore on dollar day, put some cigarettes out on it, crank up some DDR tunes, magnetize my CRT so the colors are all distorted on the corners, and get some huge dude to challenge me, bang his elbows into mine, and kill me in fighters.. It's arcade perfect then and only then.

Yeah, I haven't been to a good arcade in so long. :cry:

As far as other forums, I look here or SRK. That's about it, but I'll lurk at other forums too, just GAF mostly.
 
[quote name='hankmecrankme']To give my TE stick the arcade feel, I'd have to break a button (usually fierce punch :bomb:), put some chips in the casing, stain it with who knows what, make the stick looser than a French whore on dollar day, put some cigarettes out on it, crank up some DDR tunes, magnetize my CRT so the colors are all distorted on the corners, and get some huge dude to challenge me, bang his elbows into mine, and kill me in fighters.. It's arcade perfect then and only then.

Yeah, I haven't been to a good arcade in so long. :cry:[/QUOTE]Hahaha, reminds me of my days at the old Nathan's arcade on Long Island (the same one Cheapy's mentioned on the CAGcast a few times, actually). I'd always play on whacked controls, then find an employee and negotiate some token refunds, lol.

Although when their MK3 control panel was busted, and you could just open it right up, reach in, and add credits, I wasn't complaining :p
 
[quote name='akuma001']with srk down, this place and the gaf arcade stick thread will have to do for my tech talk forum fix. :/

what other forums do you guys look at to find stick/fighting game tech news?

i used to peep sites like arcadecontrols.com, shmups.com, neo-geo.com but everyone who posts there usually posts on srk. just wondering if there is anywhere else.

oh and does anybody know if i can put an ashtray on the tournament edition fight stick? i want that real japanese arcade feel. :p[/quote]

i go EVERYWHERE...

in addition to those sites... I also go to arcade otaku... and I wish killer cabs was still around :(
 
[quote name='BustaUppa']Hahaha, reminds me of my days at the old Nathan's arcade on Long Island (the same one Cheapy's mentioned on the CAGcast a few times, actually). I'd always play on whacked controls, then find an employee and negotiate some token refunds, lol.

Although when their MK3 control panel was busted, and you could just open it right up, reach in, and add credits, I wasn't complaining :p[/QUOTE]

Yeah, I always wondered how a machine could get so fucked up, then I watched 2 huge (like 6 foot 8 and 6 foot 5 black dudes, probably weighing 270 plus each) literally rocking The Simpsons arcade machine. They beat the whole game, but damn I thought it was going to tip over at one point. :)

I guess that and having untold number of people playing on them can really mess a machine's controls up.

And we expect you to be everywhere, Markman. You are omnipotent. ;)
 
I'm getting two SE Fightsticks, one for PS3 and one for 360 (due to limited funds, my plan is to start with those and upgrade the buttons later. I'm looking at Lizard Lick and I've figured out what kind of buttons I'll need, but I'd also like to replace the sticks with bat top ones because I like them better. If anyone can let me know what parts I'd need to either 1) Just replace the standard ball top with a bat top (looks like I'd need the top and possibly an adaptor) OR 2) replace the entire stick with a Sanwa Bat Top stick, that'd be great
 
[quote name='MarkMan']Best Buy website had the TE sticks for preorder this morning... I don't know if any are left, but its worth a look if you're trying to get one![/quote]
Thanks for the heads up, I placed my pre-order. I checked their site last night and it wasn't up, so they must of added it today.

Hopefully I get it...
 
[quote name='MarkMan']Best Buy website had the TE sticks for preorder this morning... I don't know if any are left, but its worth a look if you're trying to get one![/quote]





hey markman, can you post pics of the regular sticks side by side with other similar sized(fs3,sciv 360 stick) like you did with the te,hrap and vshg?
 
What are the chances the PS3 Mad Catz SFIV arcade stick or TE arcade stick will work on the next console barring there also being USB ports on the next one?
 
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