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[quote name='Costa']I ended up picking up the 360 hori ex2 stick for $55 shipped. is this a good deal?[/QUOTE]

5 bucks less than Amazon's price. Honestly, it's not a very good stick, and a bitch to mod. But some people like it.

To each their own.
 
Man, where did all these stuck up CAGers come from? The EX2 is fine for casual use and you can mod it to be arcade quality if you want. It's obviously better to get a SF4 stick, but that doesn't mean it's the only option.
 
I wouldn't called it stuck-up... some people just appreciate the qualitative difference more than others. The question was simply whether the EX2 was worth it or not, and while yeah, it might be fine for the casual crowd, why not go with something much better for a bit more?
 
For casual use, it's decent. But if you are serious about playing, you'd be wiser to spend more and get a better product, IMO.

The EX2 stick feels mushy, diagonals are terrible, and the buttons suck. That's my opinion.

I'm just stuck up because I demand quality.
 
[quote name='eastx']Man, where did all these stuck up CAGers come from? The EX2 is fine for casual use and you can mod it to be arcade quality if you want. It's obviously better to get a SF4 stick, but that doesn't mean it's the only option.[/quote]

We arent stuck up,we just like quality.

EX2 != Quality.
 
When you define something that's actually much better than the standard control pad as "worthless" or whatever perjoratives you used, you're being elitist. You're also assuming that everyone else is an elitist like yourself, whereas there are plenty of casual users out there. Plus like I said, anyone who has problems with the stick's performance can just upgrade its parts.

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I'm just stuck up because I demand quality.[/QUOTE]

Let's try to apply this concept to other areas of life. Suppose you only buy Mercedes cars. They're nicer than regular cars, after all. So you describe anything less than a Mercedes as utter crap. People who can't afford a Mercedes or people who don't care as much about driving the nicest possible car would probably be offended by the way you refer to lesser cars.

I'm not saying that we should pretend that the EX2 doesn't have its flaws, but it's better to keep some perspective.
 
I dunno, I'd rather spend a little more and get the $80 SFIV stick than the EX2. Of course, there was a time when the EX2 was pretty much all the casual user had...
 
[quote name='eastx']When you define something that's actually much better than the standard control pad as "worthless" or whatever perjoratives you used, you're being elitist. You're also assuming that everyone else is an elitist like yourself, whereas there are plenty of casual users out there. Plus like I said, anyone who has problems with the stick's performance can just upgrade its parts.

Let's try to apply this concept to other areas of life. Suppose you only buy Mercedes cars. They're nicer than regular cars, after all. So you describe anything less than a Mercedes as utter crap. People who can't afford a Mercedes or people who don't care as much about driving the nicest possible car would probably be offended by the way you refer to lesser cars.

I'm not saying that we should pretend that the EX2 doesn't have its flaws, but it's better to keep some perspective.[/QUOTE]
I understand completely what you are saying. I do like having the nicest things within my budget, which isn't much at the moment. But we aren't talking expensive cars, we are talking about joysticks. And. . .
[quote name='gunm']I dunno, I'd rather spend a little more and get the $80 SFIV stick than the EX2. Of course, there was a time when the EX2 was pretty much all the casual user had...[/QUOTE]
. . .this is what I agree with. Some people are fine with $20 headphones. I like my Sennheisers. I'll never go down to the $20 headphones unless I had to. Some people like $1 MdDoubles, I'd rather have a burger that tastes good. It's all a matter of perspective. Once you go Sanwa/Seimitsu, there's no going back to Hori knockoffs.

Honestly, I buy things with the intention of using them. So I'd like the best that I can afford, and the price difference from a $60 Hori EX2 to, say, the SFIV Regular stick or even an HRAP EX is worth it IMO, just because they are better, and I would want to use it a lot if I was buying one.

Plus those looking to get started on sticks would do better with getting a better quality stick. I used to not like sticks because I had to use cheap ass shitty SNES sticks that just sucked ass. It wasn't until I bought a Namco stick that I started to appreciate decent quality parts. But in the end, it's the buyer's choice, I'm just stating my opinions. :)
 
You guys can speak for yourself - cars below a certain level are crap. Maybe not below a Mercedes, but below... well, actually, just about any American car qualifies.

Point is, the only reason we're elitist is because we know how the EX2 compares to the other offerings. I'm not going to say that something that's pretty bad is great if you have low enough standards. If he'd brought up something like the HRAP3 without Sanwa buttons, that'd be a different story since it's definitely still a good piece of equipment... it's not utter crap like the EX2...
 
[quote name='gunm']I dunno, I'd rather spend a little more and get the $80 SFIV stick than the EX2. Of course, there was a time when the EX2 was pretty much all the casual user had...[/quote]

I'd spend $9 more than the $80 stick and get the HRAP from Amazon. For $30 more you can upgrade the buttons to Sanwa, if you want to.
 
Yea straight up PS3 standard SF4 stick vs HRAP3... You'd think I'd tell you to get an SF4 stick, but nah, I'mma be real, get an HRAP.

Also it depends on the size.
SIZE!
 
[quote name='nil']I'd spend $9 more than the $80 stick and get the HRAP from Amazon. For $30 more you can upgrade the buttons to Sanwa, if you want to.[/quote]

Actually we're talking about for 360. But yeah, for PS3 I gots the HRAP already and I wouldn't bother with trying to top that any time soon.
 
How does the HRAP EX for 360 compare to the TE Stick or SE Fightstick? I have a preorder for the TE Stick on Capcom's store, but I'm looking at back up plans in case that gets pushed back. I'm also considering getting an SE stick and modding it with Sanwa parts, or just getting a Fight Pad until the TE Stick preorder is filled if I get backordered. All I know is I want something in place before SF4 comes out because I don't want to play that game with the @#$!$#@! Default X360 controller :)

Also, if I did go with the HRAP EX, how hard would it be to put a Bubble Top and Seimitsu buttons on it?
 
I believe this was already discussed earlier in the thread, but primary differences besides the parts are the factory button layouts and the anecdotes that the EX is somewhat tricky to mod (compared to the TE where modding was accomodated as part of the design).
 
can the ex2 stick be used for VF5, SC4, MKvsDC, and SF4 with no problems?, im just looking for a arcade stick for these fighting games, so my son and I can have fun.
 
The reason I think all the EX2 hate is unjustified is because I can play on an EX2 as well as I can on an HRAP. I can do all my HDR combos, all my SC4 combos on command, my movement is fine and all that. It's also survived the ragethrowing and a vomit attack. You can stay competitive with it and it's a decent stick. I'm pretty sure I can do all my SFA3 VCs on it.

Does it have its flaws? Yeah. The throw is a bit longer than Sanwa, the buttons aren't as "soft," and I prefer more weight and more room. I absolutely loved the VSHG when I played on it. But it's not like I NEED the VSHG to play well, even if I do prefer it.

If we're going with the car analogy, it's like buying a used Corolla instead of a brand new 3 Series to get to work. And I swear, every time I hear people talk about Sanwa and Seimitsu, I imagine those AzNs slapping a VTEC sticker on their car.
 
[quote name='kainzero']The reason I think all the EX2 hate is unjustified is because I can play on an EX2 as well as I can on an HRAP. I can do all my HDR combos, all my SC4 combos on command, my movement is fine and all that. It's also survived the ragethrowing and a vomit attack. You can stay competitive with it and it's a decent stick. I'm pretty sure I can do all my SFA3 VCs on it.

Does it have its flaws? Yeah. The throw is a bit longer than Sanwa, the buttons aren't as "soft," and I prefer more weight and more room. I absolutely loved the VSHG when I played on it. But it's not like I NEED the VSHG to play well, even if I do prefer it.

If we're going with the car analogy, it's like buying a used Corolla instead of a brand new 3 Series to get to work. And I swear, every time I hear people talk about Sanwa and Seimitsu, I imagine those AzNs slapping a VTEC sticker on their car.[/QUOTE]

Hahahaha. I agree completely on the VTEC thing.

It's interesting how many stick snobs are coming out of the woodwork as the countdown to SF4 winds down.

Personally, I play well on the EX2. I can pull off all my commands and combos. I never really think... "Man that was the sticks fault."

Is it perfect? No.
Can I play on it, and play well? Yes.
Would I prefer buttons that had a little bit of a better push? Yes.

I got both of mine on the cheap, and plan to unload 1 of them when SF4 comes out. Until then, though, I'll continue enjoying them, as everyone else complains that they can't play SFHD because of the controller.
 
[quote name='kainzero']The reason I think all the EX2 hate is unjustified is because I can play on an EX2 as well as I can on an HRAP. I can do all my HDR combos, all my SC4 combos on command, my movement is fine and all that. It's also survived the ragethrowing and a vomit attack. You can stay competitive with it and it's a decent stick. I'm pretty sure I can do all my SFA3 VCs on it.

Does it have its flaws? Yeah. The throw is a bit longer than Sanwa, the buttons aren't as "soft," and I prefer more weight and more room. I absolutely loved the VSHG when I played on it. But it's not like I NEED the VSHG to play well, even if I do prefer it.

If we're going with the car analogy, it's like buying a used Corolla instead of a brand new 3 Series to get to work. And I swear, every time I hear people talk about Sanwa and Seimitsu, I imagine those AzNs slapping a VTEC sticker on their car.[/quote]


I think the main issue with it's "rep" has to do with the fact that for a long time it was the ONLY option as an arcade stick on the 360.

Any stick with that responsibility would be put under the same microscope.
 
Proud EX2 owner here.
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VTEC. :D

Yeah, you can use the EX2 and play just as well as anyone else. Shit, I've been using the 360 pad to play HD Remix. I did replace the dpad with a Controller S dpad, which made it a lot better. I can do most everything just fine, though it's not perfect. It likes to hit up when I press left, but that's because it's mushy and I'm sloppy. I did hate on the EX2 but it's all personal opinion. I don't really hate it, I just want better.

I've been a stick snob for a while, but I almost bought an EX2 on multiple occasions just to mod it. I never did though, since I'd rather get a controller and make my own. I haven't yet though.

And I agree on the increased scrutiny due to the fact that it was the only available stick for a while. But just as the 360 pad makes me yearn for better, the EX2 makes me yearn for better. The SFIV TE stick will fill that void for me. :)

Just use what you like, and don't listen to people like me if I tend to be hard on products. I've owned junk, and I've owned greatness, and I don't like settling on just decent.
 
even then, for a $60 stick, it does exactly what it does at its price point and it was heads and tails above any stick available for the US at the time. there are a lot of sticks at $60 and below that you can't be competitive on like that dbz stick, hahaha. so it's kind of hard to call it shit when it's good entry level.
 
I find those cheaper Hori sticks to be fine at their price point. It can't be helped though when people throw out the price factor because money apparantly shoots out of their ass. But isn't being a cheapass what this site is all about? I'd love to get the best stick in the world ideally, but most of the time I have to be realistic and look for the best bang for my buck. I gotta weigh both the price and efficiency/quality, not just efficiency/quality by itself.

I'd be lying if I said I didn't prefer Sanwa/Seimitsu over stock Hori hardware. However, I'm able and willing to spend more in my personal situation towards building a stick. In the end, I find the entry level Hori sticks fine. I even find that $29.99 for a PS3 fighting stick a great deal.
 
Price is definitely an issue. Honestly, I'd rather save my $60 that would go towards an EX2 and get something better. If the EX2 was cheaper, then it would be fine. But when you are already throwing $60 towards one, I'd rather save up for something better.

As I said before, I love my Sennheiser headphones. They were $100. I could've bought a $40 pair, but I've used them almost every day for the last 2 years. Something like that, I'd prefer to have the best price/performance that I can get. I don't have HD 595s or anything, but I love my HD 280 Pro headphones. Since I'd use any stick I bought a ton, I'd prefer to have the best I can afford. If I can't currently afford it, I'd save up.

And for the record, my first and so far only car was $200. It was decent, and I got a deal on it. It took me from point A to point B until it died. It served me well, and fit my needs. So if lesser sticks will serve your needs, then by all means, get them. :)
 
Well, I got my art printed out today, dude was super nice and did all of the cutting for me.

Of course, when I come home I see that it was printed way to small. What the fuck did I do wrong? I had it printed out legal sized.
 
Two things could have happened, either the sizing is wrong in the picture you had printed or the guy that printed it made it scale to the page size when he should have had it print actual size.
 
[quote name='brighenne']Two things could have happened, either the sizing is wrong in the picture you had printed or the guy that printed it made it scale to the page size when he should have had it print actual size.[/quote]
I bet it was the second option.


So am I just dreaming or could I put an IL Stick into one of the current or soon to be current sticks on the market? Would it be just cheaper to destroy a PS1 controller and build a stick from scratch for something like that? Happ concave pushbuttons from my childhood.
 
[quote name='djbooba']I bet it was the second option.


So am I just dreaming or could I put an IL Stick into one of the current or soon to be current sticks on the market? Would it be just cheaper to destroy a PS1 controller and build a stick from scratch for something like that? Happ concave pushbuttons from my childhood.[/QUOTE]I'm just re-stating what was said by others more knowledgeable than myself, but I don't believe a Happ/iL stick fits in the TE case. Heh, I can totally understand the impulse to replicate controls from one's childhood though! Japanese-style sticks will never feel right to me for that very reason.

Regarding the PRICE discussion..., I'm sinking a decent chunk of money into the custom job I'm getting. It's an X-arcade mod that's approaching the area of $300 - but consider that I am essentially paying for TWO joysticks, each of them dual modded. The main alternative on the Happ side of things would be Arcade In A Box, and those sticks would run $150 each in their normal state (before shipping, custom art, custom layouts, or any type of multi-console modding). So in my case, I'm quite happy to drop $300ish on a 4-PCB monster that looks and plays exactly how I want it.

Oh, and I sold a bunch of games on Amazon specifically to fund this project, so it doesn't even feel like I'm spending "real" money here. :p

Meanwhile I just got a new (to me) car this weekend, so I am quite amused by the timing of the Joystick:Car analogies in here. :D Let me think about this... I was driving a 360 d-pad, and now I'm driving an EX2 (objectively more functional but hardly luxurious).
 
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Oh, and I sold a bunch of games on Amazon specifically to fund this project, so it doesn't even feel like I'm spending "real" money here. :p

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I pretty much did the same thing, I sold some stuff on Ebay and Chase the Chuckwagon to fund the purchase of a new stick. I was just going to buy a SE Stick and mod it down the road, but when I found a Half Life 2 Artbook in my basement that was worth a load of cash, and the Capcom store coupon, I was able to afford a TE Stick. Now whether that order will go through right away is up in the air, so I'm considering other options if it doesn't.
 
I finished my mod. Here it is:
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Unfortunately, I could not get the art to lay flat. That template is not quite right and I ended up with 6 copies. I burned 5 trying to get it to cooperate. After that I closed up the stick and called it a day. I'll revisit this later after I've done more research. I love the desgin I created and I definitely want it on the stick.

Here's the stick in its current,less pimped out state:
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Yeah i own the DOA4 stick same as the EX stick & the only problem i had was the square gate issue, i ended up modifying it with an octagonal sanwa gate instead. I can do my moves & kick ass just the same w/ my Happs, IL, & Sanwa sticks(see below)...

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Closer view of the sticks
SFAE Happs(Zangief & SFIV)
T5 all sanwa(Fist North Star)
Captain America stick

I dont have pics of my DOA4 stick as i was having someone mod it w/ Seimitsu parts but im changing my mind since i was able to get a pre-order on a TE stick...I'll just put the Seimitsu on that instead...

Again, i have two DOA4 stick if anyone is interested in buying...
1 - Modified w/ Sanwa Octagonal gate
1 - Stock stick w/ Bat top Sanwa instead of the green ball top
 
any of you custom stick users have the wireless 360 headset? I'm thinking of picking one up. Is the ear clip a pain in the ass if you're wearing glasses? Is there an easily accessible volume adjuster? Can I still mute myself so the other guy doesn't just hear me breathing the whole time?
 
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