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I can see both side of the argument. Blade texted me last night asking if it was legal and I thought it was myself but only in a situation where a real coach may use it. I watch a ton of football and havent seen a coach use it on a 3rd down in a while an even then it was late in the game on like the last drive of the game for a team that was down. In this case it was not late in the game and therefore indefensible. Reason being as one of the other players stated that EVEN IN GOALINE formations the QB usually get 2-3 yards. I agree it may be stoppable but it is very very certain defense formations and the right play call in that formation may stuff the hole but my experience (been playing online a lot more over the past few weeks) it has NEVER BEEN STOPPED AND SERVED ITS purpose and I'm guilty of using it outside of The league setting but think its cheap and would rather EARN my first down and not hike the ball and immediately dive forward for 2-3 yards.

I have to agree with the opposition on this one an say it's not allowed. I'd be possed in Blades scenario as well. While the OP does not say it is specifically against the rules it DOES say QB exploits are NOT allowed! To me from what everyone is saying, patch or not, this is considered to be an exploit in that it guarantees 2-4 yards with its design and NO play in a real game can do that. I think anything that is guaranteed in a game such as this is an exploit and should therefore be done with for out purposes and as to not cause confusion, high emotions running rampant and good quality sportsmanship.
 
Here's how I would like to handle all controversial plays that supposedly "can be stopped". The people who know how to stop it, tell us all what play will do it. It's one thing puff out your chest and say "What's the matter bro? It can be stopped." But it's another thing entirely to help your future opponents figure out how to stop a play that you like to run. To me, that would show some guts, not to mention force you to be a little more creative with your play calling if you know that the person on the other side of the ball might be ready for you the next time. So, how about that? What are some good defense play calls/adjustments to stop the QB sneak?
 
[quote name='n8rockerasu']Well, there's technically no rule against QB sneaks because since the patch, it's not a guaranteed 7 yard run anymore. And it CAN be stopped on occasion. However, I personally consider it a gutless play. Between running a FB dive, an outside pitch, or even a pass play, to me there's plenty of options to score without resorting to a "gimme play" like that. I guess that's where I stand on it now. It's not glitchy anymore, but when I see it I'm like "Really guy? You needed that?"

If the majority of the league feels it needs to be banned though, we can explore it. But since it isn't glitchy and it IS a play used in the NFL from time to time, you'd have to have a pretty compelling argument. I don't use it, but it's more because I don't want to be viewed as "being a bitch" and I like to think I'm more creative than that.[/QUOTE]

The play goes both ways, i do not use it personally. but sometimes i question myself for not using it in key situations when i am getting stuffed. Also, the QB sneak is heavily used in the NFL this year if nobody has noticed!!!
 
[quote name='Og whitewidow']QB sneaks are not guaranteed at all, it is easier to stop than it is to convert.[/QUOTE]

Then walk us through how to shut it down.
 
I also don't like QB sneaks, but I avoid them due to their stigma more than anything. Also, calling a sneak has no imagination. It's a lot more fun to call a power from a 3 WR set than a boring goal line QB sneak.
 
[quote name='n8rockerasu']Here's how I would like to handle all controversial plays that supposedly "can be stopped". The people who know how to stop it, tell us all what play will do it. It's one thing puff out your chest and say "What's the matter bro? It can be stopped." But it's another thing entirely to help your future opponents figure out how to stop a play that you like to run. To me, that would show some guts, not to mention force you to be a little more creative with your play calling if you know that the person on the other side of the ball might be ready for you the next time. So, how about that? What are some good defense play calls/adjustments to stop the QB sneak?[/QUOTE]

Yeah, I would like to know how to shut it down as well ...
 
[quote name='Og whitewidow']QB sneaks are not guaranteed at all, it is easier to stop than it is to convert.[/QUOTE]

This is exactly what I'm talking about. Posts like this amount to nothing more than shit talking. If you're so "disadvantaged" by running the play (since it's easier to stop than it is to convert) then show people how to stop it...that way you're not so compelled to run it next time. What you posted is the literal equivalent of what I asked people not to do.
 
[quote name='Og whitewidow']Would Belichick give up his secrets??[/QUOTE]

Seriously dude? Keep proving me right for why I thought you were a bad fit for this league. The entire purpose is to help each other learn. If you're that big of a bitch that you can't score without using plays that others haven't learned how to stop, just get the hell out of here. I'm a little pissed at DVO for vouching for you. Just because someone's skill level might dictate that they could play here doesn't mean they're not a complete shithead. Guess I need to put that in the OP.
 
I specifically said that i do not use it!!!! the reason for that is every time i have used it 99% of the time it is shut down, sounds like someone is afraid of losing which is what this league should not be about.
 
[quote name='n8rockerasu']Seriously dude? Keep proving me right for why I thought you were a bad fit for this league. The entire purpose is to help each other learn. If you're that big of a bitch that you can't score without using plays that others haven't learned how to stop, just get the hell out of here. I'm a little pissed at DVO for vouching for you. Just because someone's skill level might dictate that they could play here doesn't mean they're not a complete shithead. Guess I need to put that in the OP.[/QUOTE]

I have to agree from the communication shown so far. I am not mad at DVO though, dude is just a good guy that tries to connect us all to play Madden.

[quote name='Og whitewidow']go back and read the thread are you kidding me???[/QUOTE]

If you had just read the OP, you would have been fine. Right from start, you have acted ignorant of the OP and what the direction of this league is.

[quote name='Og whitewidow']I specifically said that i do not use it!!!! the reason for that is every time i have used it 99% of the time it is shut down, sounds like someone is afraid of losing which is what this league should not be about.[/QUOTE]

It has little to do with the play, really, and more to do with your attitude.

Edit - I am done speaking on the matter, I have let my opinion be known on both the play and the attitude of another member. I don't want to contribute to the thread turning into another bitchfest. Feel free to PM me though, if anyone has anything they want to direct to me.
 
I can help you, it all depends on personnel and what defensive playbook you have, i tend to steer away from goaline, and many people like to use it, to be completely frank, what play i would run depends on personnel.
 
Sorry how that came off, didn't know someone would actually call me a "little bitch" for not wanting to give away a defensive formation that i use heavily.
 
[quote name='Og whitewidow']I can help you, it all depends on personnel and what defensive playbook you have, i tend to steer away from goaline, and many people like to use it, to be completely frank, what play i would run depends on personnel.[/QUOTE]

The issue isn't making a goalline stand. It's stopping a QB sneak. One play. If I'm betting my opponent will run it what are the best playcalls/adjustments to stuff it. That has been the question this entire time.
 
[quote name='Og whitewidow']Sorry how that came off, didn't know someone would actually call me a "little bitch" for not wanting to give away a defensive formation that i use heavily.[/QUOTE]

If that's how you feel about it, you're more concerned with winning than you are with helping others in the league. That makes this the wrong league for you. Do you get that?
 
[quote name='n8rockerasu']This is exactly what I'm talking about. Posts like this amount to nothing more than shit talking. If you're so "disadvantaged" by running the play (since it's easier to stop than it is to convert) then show people how to stop it...that way you're not so compelled to run it next time. What you posted is the literal equivalent of what I asked people not to do.[/QUOTE]
Commissioner, i have not even played a game in this league, and i previously stated i do not run sneaks, so what would compel me to run a sneak, i merely stated i have contemplated it, and in my experiences, i have not had success converting it.
 
I have no problem helping, but telling people exact plays sounds like a silver platter to me, i run a 4-3 try that, if you are having trouble with a 3-4 based defense.
 
[quote name='Og whitewidow']Commissioner, i have not even played a game in this league, and i previously stated i do not run sneaks, so what would compel me to run a sneak, i merely stated i have contemplated it, and in my experiences, i have not had success converting it.[/QUOTE]

You acted arrogant when people were sincerely asking for help with stopping the play. That's why you got the reaction you did. Not saying anything more than that. Beating a dead horse at this point.
 
I like to crash the Dline to the middle, lock on the fastest, big hitting line backer you have....usually when they sneak, it is on either side of the center, blitz the side the QB goes to with the backer your on, i have also been known to send safeties in on blitzes, either one or both at the same time.
 
I have had troubles with the 3-4 defense, even though Doomtime swears by it, also try practicing with all defensive playbooks until you find one that suits all of your coverage needs.
 
That's all good advice (and is actually helpful...as opposed to just "it's easy to stop"). I think most people understand that you have to plug the middle on a sneak. The problem (at least for me) happens when my defenders just don't react right off the line and leave huge gaps for the QB to walk through.

When this happens, I question if I called the right play (I mostly prepare for sneaks at the goalline, so I do run a goalline defense) or if I'm not making the right pre-snap adjustments (I pinch my d-line and usually send my LB's to blitz, taking control of my MLB and putting him right over the center). I'm sure I'm not the only one who thinks this way. Hence...the question of how to stop it with any consistency. I just felt that if it was a play that is that polarizing with talk of possibly banning it, it makes more sense to teach people how to defend against it than outlawing it unneccessarily.
 
Very true, if you have a bad d-line with poor awareness, they usually do a pretty poor job at controlling the gap they are assigned, i like 4-3 stack, also try to blitz atleast 6-7, sometimes even more if i think it is necessary. All-in-all personnel has a lot to play into it.
 
[quote name='Docb9110'] I watch a ton of football and havent seen a coach use it on a 3rd down in a while an even then it was late in the game on like the last drive of the game for a team that was down.[/QUOTE]

I couldn't care less one way or the other about the Qb sneak "exploit" in Madden, but I would like to point out that just today, the Cincy Bengals used a QBS on a 3rd and 1 in the middle of the 2nd quarter.

As a coaching decision, it seems like something that should be in the playbook. I wont argue the merits of whether it is/isnt 'unstoppable' in Madden. But if its use is going to be frowned upon in the league, I think an official OP banning would provide the needed clarity.

Absent an official ban, I would consider a 3rd & 1, QBS, "Play(ing) fair and mak(ing) decisions like a real NFL coach", particularly if you have a big (Rothelisberger) or mobile (Vick, Rodgers, Cutler) QB.

1st & 10 QBS, OTOH, is bullshit...unless you happen to be on your own 2yd line (gotta make room for the punter :)).

In other news: Lions: You available any night after 9:30p EST?
 
[quote name='n8rockerasu']Obviously, I know this. But it's also a fortunate coincidence when your favorite team is the top rated team in the game with a 95 overall. Whenever I play online ranked and someone uses the Packers, I just think "Ok, your only chance to win is by using the best team in the game? How good are you really?" That's all I meant by it. Yes, they're your favorite team. But it's a bigger challenge playing as someone other than the best team in the game.[/QUOTE]

Yeah, I know you knew that but I wanted to clarify. I'm struggling with the Steelers even using the familiar Packers playbooks.
 
[quote name='hostyl1']I couldn't care less one way or the other about the Qb sneak "exploit" in Madden, but I would like to point out that just today, the Cincy Bengals used a QBS on a 3rd and 1 in the middle of the 2nd quarter.

As a coaching decision, it seems like something that should be in the playbook. I wont argue the merits of whether it is/isnt 'unstoppable' in Madden. But if its use is going to be frowned upon in the league, I think an official OP banning would provide the needed clarity.

Absent an official ban, I would consider a 3rd & 1, QBS, "Play(ing) fair and mak(ing) decisions like a real NFL coach", particularly if you have a big (Rothelisberger) or mobile (Vick, Rodgers, Cutler) QB.

1st & 10 QBS, OTOH, is bullshit...unless you happen to be on your own 2yd line (gotta make room for the punter :)).

In other news: Lions: You available any night after 9:30p EST?
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Yes, probably tomorrow, I'll hit you up and let you know.

About the comment of practice, I do need practice. My passing game is atrocious, but I doubt playing with the Dolphins is going to help that.

As far as the QB sneak, I was mostly frustrated because it was something I wouldn't do(And thought it was allowed at the time). I think it is a cheap play and I will not be using it regardless of what is decided.
 
[quote name='Blade3D']Also, would you mind up dating the stats on that league site? I like looking through everything.[/QUOTE]

I've been trying to update the stats site, but it doesn't seem to be working right now. When I tell it to sync, it acts like it's doing it and tells me it was successful, but neither the power rankings or players of the week are updated. Hoping it's just temporary.
 
For QB sneaks, my standard defensive play is a 4-3 all LB blitz, with the LBs blitzing straight at the gaps. If your defensive line is good, they'll push the offensive line back, allowing the LBs to cover and potentially penetrate gaps. If your offensive line is bad, then your LBs will have huge holes to run through. The key players are your DTs and your MLB, as they will most likely be in the best position to stop the sneak.

I've tried to use goal line formations to stop the QB sneak and found that they aren't very good at stopping it. The only time they work is when your line completely overpowers the offensive line. If that doesn't happen, at best, you'll make the QB resort to diving for the first down, but he'll almost certainly get it. Running a standard blitz package has seemed to work better for me, as although I can't stop a QB sneak 100% of the time, I can stop it often enough that it isn't a guaranteed first down.

For my games this week, I'm most likely looking to schedule them on the 9th or 10th, preferably the 10th. I'll send out PMs when I'm more certain of my availability. Also, my connection is good again.
 
[quote name='G33']For QB sneaks, my standard defensive play is a 4-3 all LB blitz, with the LBs blitzing straight at the gaps. If your defensive line is good, they'll push the offensive line back, allowing the LBs to cover and potentially penetrate gaps. If your offensive line is bad, then your LBs will have huge holes to run through. The key players are your DTs and your MLB, as they will most likely be in the best position to stop the sneak.

I've tried to use goal line formations to stop the QB sneak and found that they aren't very good at stopping it. The only time they work is when your line completely overpowers the offensive line. If that doesn't happen, at best, you'll make the QB resort to diving for the first down, but he'll almost certainly get it. Running a standard blitz package has seemed to work better for me, as although I can't stop a QB sneak 100% of the time, I can stop it often enough that it isn't a guaranteed first down.

For my games this week, I'm most likely looking to schedule them on the 9th or 10th, preferably the 10th. I'll send out PMs when I'm more certain of my availability. Also, my connection is good again.[/QUOTE]

Thanks for this, G33! Really well thought out and informative response. This helps me a lot (and I don't think it gives away your entire defensive scheme). No matter what, 3rd/4th and short plays are a chess match. You can show blitz and not be blitzing. Your opponent can fake a dive and run a HB pitch instead. They can see you loading up in the box and audible to a quick slant...which COULD turn into an easy INT if you're faking your blitz. It starts to come down to "if you anticipate your opponent anticipating you anticipating his play selection, you have a chance to convert it." None of that has anything to do with not knowing how to stop a play. It's about outthinking somebody...not having a cheap advantage.
 
[quote name='Ultimate Matt X']Still havent heard from my opponent even though I've sent a few messages.[/QUOTE]

Just messaged you on XBL. I can do this afternoon or tonight!
 
Falcons - 38
Saints - 7

Not a lot of highlights, I got some breaks early that put me up and caused the Saints to try to force things more than they normally would. It also made them more one dimensional than they normally would have liked, I imagine. I think the rematch will be either the opposite, or a much closer game.

I tossed you back commish role after the game, so we should be set there.
 
Yep..it was one of those type of games.

Resist the urge to snap the game completely in half. I know from experience that it is there..and I also know from experience that it doesn't make you feel any better.
 
This is the error message I've been getting when I try to sync the stats site.

Error retrieving markup for element login_stats_body : Internal Server Error [Enable debugging by adding 'cfdebug' to your URL parameters to see more information]
Click to expand...

I emailed them about it and they blamed it on EA changing their coding all the time. We'll see if it ever gets fixed. Until then, don't expect much.
 
[quote name='Yanksfan']Yep..it was one of those type of games.

Resist the urge to snap the game completely in half. I know from experience that it is there..and I also know from experience that it doesn't make you feel any better.[/QUOTE]

To make it even better, even though you knocked out Jimmy Graham in the 1st quarter with broken ribs, he's out 1 week due to dehydration. I swear to God I wish somebody would commit a terrorist act on the EA headquarters. They're responsible for fucking more people than a dildo factory.
 
cowboys 21 bills 13

in a game that the bills should have won but madden clearly wasnt going to allow it. i feel bad about this game N8 clearly out played me and out did me in every single way in this game.

bills defense was amazing my rushing yards were only 38 yards and passing was only 49 i couldnt do anything. and he passed all over me for 222 yards his rushing game was only 29 yards though.

Romo 9 for 14 with 64 yards 1 TD 0 INTs

Foster 18 attempts for 32 yards he should just shot himself will be traded at the end of the season thats for sure

Witten is still witten with 4 REC for 60 yards and 1 TD

D Ware 3 tackles 2 sacks 1 FF total beast today

open to offers now on foster cant make a move until after the post season since im out of trades
 
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