CAG League Sports: Madden 12 "JV League" - We Finished 3 Seasons! Thanks Everybody!!!

Rams 20
Browns 17

In the Rams' most exciting contest in their career, St. Louis was able to squeeze some magic at the end of this one to get the win over Cleveland.

The Browns scored a touchdown at the beginning of the fourth to go up 17-10. On the ensuing drive, the Rams gave it right back to the Browns, but fortunately were able to stop Cleveland for one last shot. During the final drive, St. Louis had to convert several fourth downs to drive the field. And on fourth-and-goal from the three, Steven Jackson finally found the end zone — barely — to tie the game up at 17 with nine seconds to play.

After the kickoff, Cleveland tried a long pass, but Quintin Mikell intercepted it to give the Rams a shot at a 50-yard field goal with just five seconds left. Jeff Brown trotted onto the field after already missing one at the end of the half. Although he pulled it, the ball just squeaked through the goal post, giving St. Louis the nail-biter win.

Great game, Ultimate Matt! Definitely the most excitement I've ever had playing Madden!
 
Yeah, great game man. I really screwed up my time management at the end and shouldn't have been as aggressive going for another score in the fourth. Would have been better to play for OT. Hopefully, I can redeem myself in Season 2 or maybe the Superbowl, heh.
 
I really wish there was a way we could watch other games! That would be an epic Superbowl. The Texans are down to 3-8 now I believe while I'm in the cellar I just wanted to say I'm glad the league is here and I'm definitely getting better! Since the league started I've tried to play more online to practice and have a record of 7-3 outside of the league so I know there is hope for me in the coming seasons especially with all the draft pics I'm gonna nab up in the first 3 rounds.

On that note in playing all these online games I do have a question on something I've noticed more and more in my play that I could use help with.

I cannot stop outside runs to save my life..if I feel it is coming I try to run a cover 2 or 3. My logic is that if they run outside ive got containment with the CB's in the flat zone coverage.

Anyone offer any advice? Nothing on a "silver platter" so to speak just general knowledge on the issue and opinions?
 
[quote name='Docb9110']I really wish there was a way we could watch other games! That would be an epic Superbowl. The Texans are down to 3-8 now I believe while I'm in the cellar I just wanted to say I'm glad the league is here and I'm definitely getting better! Since the league started I've tried to play more online to practice and have a record of 7-3 outside of the league so I know there is hope for me in the coming seasons especially with all the draft pics I'm gonna nab up in the first 3 rounds.

On that note in playing all these online games I do have a question on something I've noticed more and more in my play that I could use help with.

I cannot stop outside runs to save my life..if I feel it is coming I try to run a cover 2 or 3. My logic is that if they run outside ive got containment with the CB's in the flat zone coverage.

Anyone offer any advice? Nothing on a "silver platter" so to speak just general knowledge on the issue and opinions?[/QUOTE]


i like to use the 4-6 playbook for defense really shuts down the run and has great pass plays as well 4-6 has been the only way ive been able to stop the run and also look for the plays that have the lolb and rolb on blitz outside of the LE and RE and should help with the outside runs
 
[quote name='DVO21']cowboys 21 bills 13

in a game that the bills should have won but madden clearly wasnt going to allow it. i feel bad about this game N8 clearly out played me and out did me in every single way in this game.

bills defense was amazing my rushing yards were only 38 yards and passing was only 49 i couldnt do anything. and he passed all over me for 222 yards his rushing game was only 29 yards though.

Romo 9 for 14 with 64 yards 1 TD 0 INTs

Foster 18 attempts for 32 yards he should just shot himself will be traded at the end of the season thats for sure

Witten is still witten with 4 REC for 60 yards and 1 TD

D Ware 3 tackles 2 sacks 1 FF total beast today

open to offers now on foster cant make a move until after the post season since im out of trades[/QUOTE]

Yeah, I'm done playing this game in the early afternoon. There's just too much going on in my household at those times, and I can't really focus on the games. Even though I thought I played well, I did make some playcalls that were just stupid and gave you the huge openings you needed to convert.

This game seriously hates me the past two weeks though, and I'm getting fucking tired of it. After making a huge defensive stand, marching down the field to go up 7-0, then forcing a 3 and out, EA just decides it's time for me to get asshole rape fucked prison style, by fumbling the punt return at my own 30, then coming up with ANOTHER huge defensive stop pushing you out of field goal range, then Jackson fumbles inside his own 15. Then on my next drive, I get the holding penalty.

Before I know it, I'm losing 21-10. On the pick 6 you had, I literally pressed the wrong button and threw to the wrong receiver (though as usual, my opponent's guys snatch the ball no problem...my guys look at it like it has fucking AIDS and slap it to the ground). I don't know if I was too tired to concentrate, but nobody bother asking me to play before at least 7 PM EST anymore. I haven't forced a fumble in like 7 games between my two teams. I need a break from this game because the "dumb luck" aspect is getting ridiculous. Whoever my Week 11 opponents are, just give me a couple days after we advance to calm down. I need a good 4-5 days without Madden to let my asshole heal.
 
Got a message from Symb1oteSpider tonight. Says he's definitely still in the league but for some reason cannot access CAG. Says the site keeps kicking him back to the login page. So if you're playing him, it may be best to message him on XBL.
 
[quote name='Matt Young']Lyric, I responded to your PM. Hopefully we can play tomorrow.[/QUOTE]

If we can do it late (maybe 11 p.m. EST), that would be cool. I have a rehearsal tomorrow night.
 
[quote name='lyric706']Got a message from Symb1oteSpider tonight. Says he's definitely still in the league but for some reason cannot access CAG. Says the site keeps kicking him back to the login page. So if you're playing him, it may be best to message him on XBL.[/QUOTE]
Does he have a mac i was having trouble accessing the website from my friends mac.
 
I don't think that QB sneaks can be easily shut down by any specific play call. Defense just has to get lucky (or the offense needs to get unlucky)

I didn't see it banned on the OP, so I used it against the Dolphins.

Whats the deal with both of my opponents (Packers and Dolphins) going for it on 4th down in field goal territory during the first half? (Pack may have been out of range, but it was 4th and longer than 10, which=punt)

Are we JV folks allowed to go for it on 4th down in field goal range early in the game?


If not, I find it a little funny that Blade called me out for not breaking the rules, in the same game that he already broke one :)
 
Yea, you didn't do anything wrong, since it has been made known that it is not against the rules. However, it did bring the conversation to the table for it to be discussed. I am surprised that OG claims it can be stopped more often than not, then says you are the expert at it, but you just confirm what most of have been saying: there is no good way to stop it. There are better ways, but the play is a bit rigged IMO.

I completely agree on your 4th down situations you mentioned. I wouldn't expect those to be attempted necessarily in those situations. 9 games in, I have not experienced that myself, nor done it myself.
 
Both times I went for it were in the 1st quarter with no score yet.

LV, in our first game that got disconnected, I went for it on 4th and 3 from your 36, which would've been around a 53 yd field goal. In the second game, from your 42, it was 4th and 8. That would've been a 59 yd field goal. I ran a fake punt pass play there. I'm horrible at FGs. If there were points on the board from either of us already, or it was later in the game, I would've punted.
 
[quote name='pitfallharry219']Both times I went for it were in the 1st quarter with no score yet.

LV, in our first game that got disconnected, I went for it on 4th and 3 from your 36, which would've been around a 53 yd field goal. In the second game, from your 42, it was 4th and 8. That would've been a 59 yd field goal. I ran a fake punt pass play there. I'm horrible at FGs. If there were points on the board from either of us already, or it was later in the game, I would've punted.[/QUOTE]

What difference does no score make? I'm not sure any NFL coach would go for it on either of those situations —$ESPECIALLY because it was 0-0 ...
 
The 4th and 3 from the 36, depending on the wind, I might see. I personally would probably either go for a FG (depending on the wind, but Crosby has a good leg) or punt it. 4th and 8 from the 42 is a 100% punt situation in the first quarter of a scoreless game though. Not even the Saints would go for that (talking about the Lions/Saints game Sat night).
 
[quote name='lyric706']What difference does no score make? I'm not sure any NFL coach would go for it on either of those situations —$ESPECIALLY because it was 0-0 ...[/QUOTE]

I don't know. I guess that's why I'm not an NFL coach.


[quote name='Yanksfan']The 4th and 3 from the 36, depending on the wind, I might see. I personally would probably either go for a FG (depending on the wind, but Crosby has a good leg) or punt it. 4th and 8 from the 42 is a 100% punt situation in the first quarter of a scoreless game though. Not even the Saints would go for that (talking about the Lions/Saints game Sat night).[/QUOTE]

Unless I was down by a significant amount in the second half, I don't think I'd ever straight out go for it on 4th and 8 with a regular play. Had I punted, it likely would've been a touchback and I'd only gain 20 yards or so of field position, so I called the fake punt. Given the same situation 100 times, I'd likely punt 95 percent of the time.

It's not like I went for it on every 4th down. I'm not that type of player and never have been.
 
[quote name='LVPatriots']I don't think that QB sneaks can be easily shut down by any specific play call. Defense just has to get lucky (or the offense needs to get unlucky)

I didn't see it banned on the OP, so I used it against the Dolphins.

Whats the deal with both of my opponents (Packers and Dolphins) going for it on 4th down in field goal territory during the first half? (Pack may have been out of range, but it was 4th and longer than 10, which=punt)

Are we JV folks allowed to go for it on 4th down in field goal range early in the game?


If not, I find it a little funny that Blade called me out for not breaking the rules, in the same game that he already broke one :)[/QUOTE]

What was I on the 43 on 4th and 3 or so? I have missed 2 field goals earlier in the season at these distances, 1 to lose the game(51 yds I believe). It was discussed earlier, and if punting it away isn't much of an advantage due to the field position they could potentially get that you could go for it if it was short. I know I didn't have far to go, so I stand by my decision.

I find it funny you calling me out for a rule I didn't break, then go on to admit you don't think the QB sneak can be stopped. Read through this thread first, and maybe you would have an understanding of everything that has already been discussed.
 
I find it funny you calling me out for a rule I didn't break, then go on to admit you don't think the QB sneak can be stopped. Read through this thread first, and maybe you would have an understanding of everything that has already been discussed.[/QUOTE]

So anyone who joins the league is expected to read through 50 pages of thread, to find out that something has been discussed, but not necessarily banned. I'll pass on that buddy

I ran a play which is pretty unstoppable IMO at 4th and inches. (4th and 1 it can be stopped), but is not against the rules. I would'nt have blinked twice if you ran it.


And I didn't say you broke a rule I asked if outlandish plays like those situations were allowed. That situation is a punt if you can't get a field goal.
 
For the record the rule was changed, which aren't listed in this thread. I took the time when I joined to read all the rules, and most instances if I question it(in a grey area) and I think it would be against them I do not do it.

[quote name='LVPatriots']If not, I find it a little funny that Blade called me out for not breaking the rules, in the same game that he already broke one :)[/QUOTE]

Pretty sure that right there is accusing me of breaking a rule. If not maybe you should have stated that differently.

I am going to stay for another week or two (Madden weeks) and see how the league goes. If it keeps going the way it has been then I will be removing myself from the league, if it gets better I will continue to play my team.
 
The whole, if not, in my sentence is me stating it correctly.

I asked if what you did was allowed

if not....

you broke a rule. Quit splitting hairs.
 
All right, let's settle it down, guys. Personally, I think both of your calls could have gone either way...which is why you were both upset about them. Ultimately, QB sneaks aren't broken like they once were, and I have witnessed teams stuff them (usually it happens to me though). So, I don't think banning them outright is necessary. I could be persuaded to, but so far, no one has really made a good case for it. I 100% believe they're unimaginative and boring, but this is why I wanted a discussion on how to stop them. If everyone learns how to defend them better, it will force your opponent to call something else in those situations.

Also, 4th and whatever in your opponent's end of the field is a judgment call. I don''t know how many coaches would go for a 4th and 8 (and I definitely think it being a scoreless game would make a coach MORE inclined to punt since there is plenty of time to do something and no use taking chances in a tie game)...HOWEVER, the issue does become "how much field position can actually be gained by punting?"

For me, personally, I suck at punting, and even when I try to kick the ball high, so I can run under it to catch it, I miss it most of the time. I'm even worse trying to kick the ball out of bounds (most of the time...it goes out at the 20). And I think referring to any 50+ yd field goal as "field goal range" is unfair. I'm sure most people would like to see their opponent go for a 55 yd field goal, miss it, and then wind up with the ball at their 45 yd line.

So, when your choices are only gaining 20 yards on a punt or giving your opponent 7 yards of EVEN BETTER field position due to a missed field goal, you shouldn't be surprised that people would want to go for it. I'll say again, once they're on your side of the 50, I think it becomes a gray area.
 
A Gray area is fine, and I agree, although I never thought that people would have trouble punting.

Just remember how much you need to put on it with your kicker, for the yard line you are on. Or right it down, soon it gets like habit. A certain amount between your 40 and 50 a different amount between his. Atleast that is how I do it.

I love pinning people inside the 20.
 
[quote name='LVPatriots']A Gray area is fine, and I agree, although I never thought that people would have trouble punting.[/QUOTE]

And I never thought that people wouldn't be creative enough with their playcalling to not have to rely on HB screens for an entire game. But you see it all the time. Everybody has their strengths and weaknesses.

I've seen several people make the argument (not in this thread) that there should be no problem ever going for it on 4th down because "if you can't stop it...it's your problem". We try to limit that just because it's more realistic. But when you're in no man's land (ie. opponent's 35-45 yd line), there's probably not a "right call". I've missed at least 3 field goals in my past 3 games that I wish I would have just gone for the 1st down.
 
[quote name='Blade3D']
I am going to stay for another week or two (Madden weeks) and see how the league goes. If it keeps going the way it has been then I will be removing myself from the league, if it gets better I will continue to play my team.[/QUOTE]

Besides this situation, what else do you have issues with?
 
Remaining Games for this week:

Lions vs Bears (???)
Broncos vs Chiefs (???)
Steelers vs Bengals (???)
Ravens vs Seahawks (???)
Giants vs 49ers (???)
Patriots vs Jets (???)
Vikings vs Packers (???)

That's a lot of games. Let's try to get off this bickering kick guys and get these games played.
 
[quote name='Og whitewidow']I have sent Pm's to my opponents, idk who is handling the dolphins anymore, and my ravens opponent has not responded.[/QUOTE]

The Redskins/Dolphins game doesn't need to be played. It's a secondary team vs a secondary team. Those games get simmed.
 
Personally, I go for it on 4th and short more often than not, whenever I feel confident I can get the first down. If I'm deep in my territory, I'll punt, but if I'm around midfield, I'll go for it. I do so because I feel that the risk of giving you good field position is outweighed by the potential reward of me getting a first down. With my standard defensive playstyle, it's just as easy (or hard) to score on me from 50 yards out as it is to score from 99 yards out and my offense is anemic, so if I'm given the opportunity to extend my offensive drive that somehow made it to midfield, I'll take it. I've also found that kicking field goals seems to be a lot harder in Madden 12 than it was in Madden 11, so I'll often go for it on 4th down when the field goal would be over 40 (I've missed a few field goals already this season that would have been chip shots in Madden 11). My opponent gets the same field position whether I go for it on 4th down and fail to convert as they do if miss the field goal, so I'll take the option that gives me the highest chance at success to score. I don't see going for it on 4th down as an exploit, so if I feel as if going for it on 4th down is my best option, I'll do it.

The one thing that most of us have to remember in this league is that everyone plays with different house rules. What's acceptable in one league might be banned in another. For instance, on the occasion I play with friends, we dive over the goal line on every single touchdown without a second thought because that's what we're used to. In this league, it was deemed unsportsmanlike, so I don't do it here. If someone does something that you feel is unacceptable, mention it, but keep it in the tone of a neutral debate. Other than the troll who posted a few pages back (I don't care whether it was intentional or unintentional, after he made several posts refusing to debate and then riling up everyone else, daring them to make him stop, he's obviously trolling), the tone has been fairly civil. For trolls, don't feed them. The worst thing to do with a troll is argue with them to attempt to prove them wrong. If attempts to reason with them fail, leave it up to the commissioner to make the final decision. As nice as it would be, you can't win an argument over the internet with someone who refuses to be reasoned with. If everyone who is capable of being rational remains rational, it should be a pleasant and uneventful rest of season.

I'm finally settled back into my apartment (kinda, long story), so I'll attempt to schedule my game tonight or tomorrow.
 
[quote name='Matt Young']Lyric contacted me about our game but then never responded when I PMed him back asking to play today.[/QUOTE]

Matt, he posted this in the thread yesterday.

[quote name='lyric706']If we can do it late (maybe 11 p.m. EST), that would be cool. I have a rehearsal tomorrow night.[/QUOTE]
 
[quote name='lyric706']I am back and can play right now! Can be available for the next 20-25 minutes. If not, can someone sub?[/QUOTE]

Try PM'ing Matt. I don't know if he's even still awake, but that might be your only shot. You still have tomorrow though. If you'd prefer a sub, just let us know so we can get the game done before he's unavailable for the night.
 
Lions 23
Bears 7

In a game closer than the score would imply, 3 crucial plays turned the tide: a missed FG, a fumble, and the worst - a pick six, let this game get out of hand.

And with that, I'm leaving this league. I can finally see what it would take for me to be more competitive in this league. I dont have the "pet" plays that I can rely on for those 3rd down conversions. I'd have to spend some pretty serious time combing through the playbook to find the 'good' plays, and, being honest with myself, I just dont have the interest to do that. I'm proud that I was able to adapt to Blade's Best usage after the first series to be able to 'contain' him. But my offense (especially w/ the Bears) just isnt up to par.

Since I'm not personally willing to put in the time outside of league to improve it, it's unfair for me to stay in the league. I'm not bitter or anything. I found it (mildly) fun (particularly the games against the "Gary" to my "Ash" MattNY) and fairly instructive. I just dont have the "fire in my belly".

Good luck to all and cheers.
 
It was a good game, and that pick on the 5 or wherever really changed it for you. You kept containing Best once I got within field goal range, as I could not punch it in for a TD. It was a fun game, maybe we can play again sometime.

Also, I couldn't believe you missed that field goal.
 
[quote name='hostyl1']Lions 23
Bears 7

In a game closer than the score would imply, 3 crucial plays turned the tide: a missed FG, a fumble, and the worst - a pick six, let this game get out of hand.

And with that, I'm leaving this league. I can finally see what it would take for me to be more competitive in this league. I dont have the "pet" plays that I can rely on for those 3rd down conversions. I'd have to spend some pretty serious time combing through the playbook to find the 'good' plays, and, being honest with myself, I just dont have the interest to do that. I'm proud that I was able to adapt to Blade's Best usage after the first series to be able to 'contain' him. But my offense (especially w/ the Bears) just isnt up to par.

Since I'm not personally willing to put in the time outside of league to improve it, it's unfair for me to stay in the league. I'm not bitter or anything. I found it (mildly) fun (particularly the games against the "Gary" to my "Ash" MattNY) and fairly instructive. I just dont have the "fire in my belly".

Good luck to all and cheers.[/QUOTE]

That really sucks, hostyl1 definitely played with the true spirit of this league. We had several close battles that could have gone either way, so his record was always a little misleading IMO. We lost a good member today. :cry:
 
[quote name='hostyl1']Lions 23
Bears 7

In a game closer than the score would imply, 3 crucial plays turned the tide: a missed FG, a fumble, and the worst - a pick six, let this game get out of hand.

And with that, I'm leaving this league. I can finally see what it would take for me to be more competitive in this league. I dont have the "pet" plays that I can rely on for those 3rd down conversions. I'd have to spend some pretty serious time combing through the playbook to find the 'good' plays, and, being honest with myself, I just dont have the interest to do that. I'm proud that I was able to adapt to Blade's Best usage after the first series to be able to 'contain' him. But my offense (especially w/ the Bears) just isnt up to par.

Since I'm not personally willing to put in the time outside of league to improve it, it's unfair for me to stay in the league. I'm not bitter or anything. I found it (mildly) fun (particularly the games against the "Gary" to my "Ash" MattNY) and fairly instructive. I just dont have the "fire in my belly".

Good luck to all and cheers.[/QUOTE]

Sad to see such an active member leaving. I can certainly understand how you feel as I have lost my last two games by at least 20 points. Hopefully, you will change your mind.
 
I can certainly understand losing interest in the game, or not having the time to put into actively improving. I won't question people who fall into that category. But I sincerely ask that people not leave just because their record is bad. In a franchise setting like this, it's about more than just "year 1".

There's always the opportunity to improve through the draft, and through trades, and even if you don't necessarily increase your skill level, you can still do some fun things with your team from a managerial standpoint. Develop friendly rivalries, use voice chat, joke with each other. And above all, stay humble and respectful.

This is why I wanted to promote a strong sense of community and tried to get the better teams in here to realize that if you don't win graciously and with class, it won't matter how good you are because you won't have anybody to play against. Now, this probably doesn't apply to hostyl because he said he's simply just not committed enough to the game, but let's all try to make a better effort to treat each other right. That's the only way we're going to be able to keep moving forward.
 
Just perused the thread. I didn't get a PM. I was awake at that time last night, but not on CAG. I usually go to bed between midnight and 1 A.M. Eastern, but sometimes 11 EST. Lyric, can you play today? I may have my game for the other league going on early evening EST but I'm not 100% sure at this point. I could always play both games back to back.
 
[quote name='CAGLeagueSports']This is why I wanted to promote a strong sense of community and tried to get the better teams in here to realize that if you don't win graciously and with class, it won't matter how good you are because you won't have anybody to play against. Now, this probably doesn't apply to hostyl because he said he's simply just not committed enough to the game, but let's all try to make a better effort to treat each other right. That's the only way we're going to be able to keep moving forward.[/QUOTE]

[quote name='Og whitewidow']Anyone want to sub for the Raven's opponent this week, i have been pmming this kid and no response he needs to get the boot.[/QUOTE]

Nothing implies a strong sense of community and treating each other right better than saying someone needs to get the boot...
 
LoL to above

Just a friendly reminder to anyone who I have games scheduled with. Once i am out of work (4:30 pm PST), I am usually inactive with CAG until the next morning. If you schedule a game with me, and it is after 4:30 pm PST, the best way to get our game going, or reach me for whatever reason, is on X-BOX. (GamerTag: MurdaModeLV or check the Chiefs owner in the Franchise).

The same usually goes for weekends, though i'll usually check if we advance or I am expecting a responce.
 
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damailman has been booted (and re-invited). If anybody can sub for this game, feel free. Or, if damailman gets on and can get the game scheduled, obviously, he's free to rejoin his team and do that as well.

Also, whitewidow, tone down the shtick a little bit. Just expressing that you haven't gotten a response and asking if you could play a sub would have gotten you the same outcome.
 
Sorry about it, i had been trying to contact thru pm and xbox live, we made arrangements to play around 9, sorry about that damailman!
 
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