CAG Madden 11 League 2 - Season 2! Week 10 Deadline Sat night. TEAMS OPEN!

[quote name='Deuce20602']i wanna say yea but i cant guarantee it cuz i got the Ravens/Seahawks game in the other laegue AND i'm possibly subbing in this league. If time permits, i'm fine with playing tonight but i'm heading out around 8 so we'll see what happens. I may be able to push it back to 9 but i'd rather not.[/QUOTE]

No worries. We will do it over the weekend!
 
[quote name='Zurezo']No worries. We will do it over the weekend![/QUOTE]

didnt realize that silentghost was who we were waiting on... i think we'll be able to play tonight.
 
ok... so as of right now, i have 3 DE's when i should have 4, 2 TE's and i need 3, and 5 WR's but one is hurt for 9 more weeks... so can i pick up a DE, TE, and WR to give my team the proper depth? WR is the only position where the player's rating will actually come into play cuz the DE and TE would never see the field unless an injury occurs
 
[quote name='Deuce20602']ok... so as of right now, i have 3 DE's when i should have 4, 2 TE's and i need 3, and 5 WR's but one is hurt for 9 more weeks... so can i pick up a DE, TE, and WR to give my team the proper depth? WR is the only position where the player's rating will actually come into play cuz the DE and TE would never see the field unless an injury occurs[/QUOTE]

No. Pretty much every team has positions where they're not fully stocked. For example I don't have a full group of O-linemen. Part of the purpose of the free agency period is to fill these holes. If you want more depth, you can also trade for it.
 
Pats & Bills done. First time I've ever come on top in a squeaker, too.

EDIT: Dolphins owner, I'll be online the majority of the evening so pm me when you want to play.
 
Logging on to advance us now.

Edit: We have advanced

Steelers 22 - Bucs 17
Jaguars 18 - Eagles 17

MoJo ironically scores the winning touchdown for the Jags before packing his bag to leave for Philly.
 
[quote name='bvharris']No. Pretty much every team has positions where they're not fully stocked. For example I don't have a full group of O-linemen. Part of the purpose of the free agency period is to fill these holes. If you want more depth, you can also trade for it.[/QUOTE]

well i'm trying to ship off Jason Campbell but nobody wants him and i'm not exactly in a position to trade for all three of the positions. I guess right now, the WR is the most important because i lost one to injury but its whatever. wont be goin 0-16 but this is gonna be a rough season
 
[quote name='bvharris']
Steelers 22 - Bucs 17
Jaguars 18 - Eagles 17

MoJo ironically scores the winning touchdown for the Jags before packing his bag to leave for Philly.[/QUOTE]

lol. nice! I knew he was good for something :)
 
[quote name='Deuce20602']well i'm trying to ship off Jason Campbell but nobody wants him and i'm not exactly in a position to trade for all three of the positions. I guess right now, the WR is the most important because i lost one to injury but its whatever. wont be goin 0-16 but this is gonna be a rough season[/QUOTE]

You can pick up a WR as long as Heyward-Bey is out, but he's got to be rated lower than the lowest player you have at the position, which is a 48. ;)

I put through the Jags-Eagles trade. All trades approved up to now have been processed. Week 4 deadline will be Tuesday night.
 
Power Rankings Top 5:

1. Chicago (woot)
2. San Francisco
3. Carolina
4. Houston
5. Denver

Full list: http://xtreme-football.net/index.php?r=stats/powerrankings&lid=71

OPOW: Jahvid Best
DPOW: Champ Bailey
OROW: Jahvid Best
DROW: Jerome Murphy

Week 4 games:

Jets-Bills
Seahawks-Rams
Panthers-Saints
Lions-Packers
Bengals-Browns
Ravens-Steelers
Broncos-Titans
49ers-Falcons
Colts-Jaguars
Texans-Raiders
Redskins-Eagles
Cardinals-Chargers
Bears-Giants

Byes: Bucs, Chiefs, Cowboys, Vikings
Patriots Dolphins
 
[quote name='Deuce20602']picked up Yamon Figurs[/QUOTE]

That's fine on paper, but the purpose of this is for depth at that position, not to improve your team, so I don't think you should be using him on returns.
 
[quote name='bvharris']That's fine on paper, but the purpose of this is for depth at that position, not to improve your team, so I don't think you should be using him on returns.[/QUOTE]

thats Higgins job, but i find that to be a bit intrusive... i'm restricted as to the rating of a player i can pick up to REPLACE an injured player(clearly a 41 overall is not going to give me the same production as a 78) but i'm also being restricted as to how i use the replacement player? I'm all for fairness but these free agent rules are a bit ridiculous. It's one thing to try and govern to keep people from stacking their team... thats why random FA pickups arent allowed... but to limit who can be picked up and how they're utilized is just ridiculous. I'm 0-3, my best receiver is only a 79 (i think) and if i decide to run a 5 wide set, i have a TE at the #4 wr spot and a 48 ovr at #5. U really think anyone is gonna give a flying fuck about Figurs returning KO's and punts?
 
[quote name='Deuce20602']thats Higgins job, but i find that to be a bit intrusive... i'm restricted as to the rating of a player i can pick up to REPLACE an injured player(clearly a 41 overall is not going to give me the same production as a 78) but i'm also being restricted as to how i use the replacement player? I'm all for fairness but these free agent rules are a bit ridiculous. It's one thing to try and govern to keep people from stacking their team... thats why random FA pickups arent allowed... but to limit who can be picked up and how they're utilized is just ridiculous. I'm 0-3, my best receiver is only a 79 (i think) and if i decide to run a 5 wide set, i have a TE at the #4 wr spot and a 48 ovr at #5. U really think anyone is gonna give a flying fuck about Figurs returning KO's and punts?[/QUOTE]

It fully is not ridiculous. The purpose of injury pickups is simply so you have enough players to put a team on the field, not so you can improve your team. We don't need to allow them at all, in fact we didn't in the first season of the other league. The compromise ended up being that you could pick up a player for depth that he wouldn't be particularly useful. Picking up a guy who is also an excellent returner and using him that way provides a tangible benefit to your team - which you know. That's not the purpose of the rule, and we have regular FA signings windows (of which we'll have several more) to improve our teams.

I certainly understand that your receiving corps sucks, but if there was a magical fix to that problem than NFL teams with crappy receiving corpse would utilize it. The purpose of switching around the league and making the better players choose last was exactly so they'd have the bad teams. Most importantly, everyone is playing by the same rules.

So in short, no, the rule isn't ridiculous, and it's not something we're going to spend a lot of time debating since it's a relatively minor part of the overall league.
 
Just throwing the idea out there, but since there are so many teams on bye, don't you think it should be a 3-day week, ending on Monday night? And besides, I'm on bye and want to play more!
 
I had no intentions of debating and I still don't. the biggest issue I have isn't that my receiving corps sucks... they may not be all-pros which is why I brought in carson palmer, but I can work with them. it does not make sense that I lose a mid level player and I can't pick up a mid level player to replace him until he comes back. so do to injury, I have to pick up a player just to fill a roster spot and his value or production potential is of no consequence and holds no weight in the decision process. where in the sports world does that ever happen?

long story short... I should be able to get a wide out who can actually catch the ball if it's thrown to him
 
[quote name='Deuce20602']I had no intentions of debating and I still don't. the biggest issue I have isn't that my receiving corps sucks... they may not be all-pros which is why I brought in carson palmer, but I can work with them. it does not make sense that I lose a mid level player and I can't pick up a mid level player to replace him until he comes back. so do to injury, I have to pick up a player just to fill a roster spot and his value or production potential is of no consequence and holds no weight in the decision process. where in the sports world does that ever happen?

long story short... I should be able to get a wide out who can actually catch the ball if it's thrown to him[/QUOTE]

You had the chance to pick up a Free Agent like everyone else and you chose to pick a C.. Don't really know what else to tell you, these are the same rules everyone is playing under and we've been using them for a while in both leagues. No one else has seemed to have a problem with it.
 
[quote name='Deuce20602']I had no intentions of debating and I still don't. the biggest issue I have isn't that my receiving corps sucks... they may not be all-pros which is why I brought in carson palmer, but I can work with them. it does not make sense that I lose a mid level player and I can't pick up a mid level player to replace him until he comes back. so do to injury, I have to pick up a player just to fill a roster spot and his value or production potential is of no consequence and holds no weight in the decision process. where in the sports world does that ever happen?

long story short... I should be able to get a wide out who can actually catch the ball if it's thrown to him[/QUOTE]


I agree with Deuce. This goes back to what was said in The first CAG league, that if we try to make this as "real" as we can then he should be allowed to pick up a WR at equal or lesser value.
 
And who gets precedence for picking up those free agents? We all have injuries, it turns out there are a lot of injuries in this game. As for "real" when a guy goes down there isn't just a magic wand you can wave to bring in a player of equal or lesser value at the same position.

We have injury signings and we have free agent signings. They are and will remain separate, and have separate rules. That's the right way to do it.
 
[quote name='bvharris']And who gets precedence for picking up those free agents? We all have injuries, it turns out there are a lot of injuries in this game. As for "real" when a guy goes down there isn't just a magic wand you can wave to bring in a player of equal or lesser value at the same position.

We have injury signings and we have free agent signings. They are and will remain separate, and have separate rules. That's the right way to do it.[/QUOTE]

whoever gets to the free agent list first. i'll lay it out like this... i had my eye on troy williamson but i picked a center instead because 1. i needed a o-line to block for McFadden and 2. i still had another WR between higgins and whoever the 48 guy is. Neither of those needs are here anymore. Williamson isn't as good as Heyward-Bey(based on ratings) so by definition, i wouldnt be bettering my team by picking up a lower rated WR. If someone had gotten to FA before me and picked Williamson, i would have to go to my next choice. We're all grown, we shouldnt have to stand in line to pick people to fill out our teams. I bet BigAt isnt feeling the rules regarding FA pickups for injury replacements, and i'm sure anyone else who got hit with a extensive injury isnt too happy about it either. I didnt like it when it was first implemented but since i had no major injuries, i didnt feel the need to clog the forum. Circumstances have changed.
 
Just to clarify, even if there were a compelling case to be made for changing this rule (and I'm not sure there is), it's not something we're going to change mid-season. It's an issue of fairness to all the teams in the league. We're already going to be doing more free agent periods than the other league, which should give people more chances to address holes in their rosters.

Edit: I had more injuries than anyone else in the league in CAG1 (by a fairly significant margin) and at no point did I feel that rule was unfair. Because it wasn't.
 
[quote name='bvharris'] As for "real" when a guy goes down there isn't just a magic wand you can wave to bring in a player of equal or lesser value at the same position.[/QUOTE]

i think they do... it's called a pen. I heard it was used to put a signature to a binding contract which establishes the fact that the one signing is agreeing to play for the team offering the contract.

never said it was unfair... i said it was ridiculous
 
There are no contracts in online franchises. There's no cap. You don't have any more claim on a player than anyone else does. We're not turning this into a free agent free-for-all, injuries or no.
 
[quote name='bvharris']There are no contracts in online franchises. There's no cap. You don't have any more claim on a player than anyone else does. We're not turning this into a free agent free-for-all, injuries or no.[/QUOTE]

i dont expect anything to change.... midseason or not. it just doesnt make sense to me that i didnt have much choice in who i could get based on the rules and now i'm being told i cant use this shitty player to benefit my team. WTF is the point of even signing another WR to replace an injured starter who was probably the only person of value to my offense other than McFadden(who is no longer a Raider) if i can't have him produce in the best way he can?

it's whatever. i've reverted back to my original playbook so hoppefully i can keep out of needing to run 4 or 5 wide sets.
 
No one made you sign another WR. You're free not to. No one made you trade McFadden either.

The rule is pretty straightforward. We have free agent periods where you can sign anyone you want on the wire to help your team. We'll be having more than a couple of them. If you have an injury which brings your team below the required number at a position (which, by the way, is NOT 5 for WRs, but no matter) you can sign a low-rated player which will allow you to field a complete team. If you want someone who is going to be a substantial help to your team, the free agent period is the time to do that. That's the rule we've established and it's applied to everyone evenly and fairly.

Think of a receiver you pick up now as a stopgap. When the next FA period rolls around (probably Week 6 or 7), you can get a better and more permanent player.

When we talk about playing "real" football we're talking about the games themselves (and we don't even do that most of the time). In the real NFL teams wouldn't trade their best players in blockbuster trades in the middle of the season. Similarly, you could go and sign players off the street, yes, but those players usually aren't going to come right in and contribute. We're trying to keep fair rosters and simulate the ability to improve your team in midseason. I think the way we're doing that is fair to everyone and has worked very well. You're welcome to disagree, but the rule has worked and I see no reason to revisit it right now.
 
I have a lot of thoughts on all of this but I don't have time to express them at the moment...but the short version is that I agree with BV. Thanks for everyone's time....I'll elaborate when I get back.
 
[quote name='MasterAwesome']I have a lot of thoughts on all of this but I don't have time to express them at the moment...but the short version is that I agree with BV. Thanks for everyone's time....I'll elaborate when I get back.[/QUOTE]

You pretty much said what I wanted to say.
Apparently you can't win games or be on top of the league stats with out the NFL equivalent of the New York Yankees on your team.
 
[quote name='Tanabeo']i think the lions are about to throw in the towel.....[/QUOTE]

Just stick with it, mess around with different playbooks, try to be a spoiler, and wait for the draft next year. There's worse things then losing.
 
[quote name='Darth0fTheDead']Apparently you can't win games or be on top of the league stats with out the NFL equivalent of the New York Yankees on your team.[/QUOTE]

elaborate please?
 
Packers over Lions last night 34-27

Lions had the ball late and were driving for what looked to be the score to send it into OT and on 4th and goal Stafford gets hit and tosses an INT for the Packers to Kneel it and seal the game.

Rodgers looked good 27/41 0 INT 4 TD 422 Yds
Coles got into the swing of things with the offense with 4 rec for 64 yards and 1 TD
Driver 6 rec for 103 yds
Jones 5 rec for 81 yds
Finley 10 rec 165 yds and 3 TDs
 
Ah, there's the Jay Cutler bed-shitting I've been waiting for. :D

Even with three costly turnovers by Cutler, I still had a chance to win this game. Down 13-10 I'd forced the Giants into a 3rd and 14 in FG range when Bradshaw rips off one of the most ridiculous runs I have ever seen. He was tackled like 5 times and yet slipped out of all of them for the touchdown. What should have been 16-10 at most was instead 20-10. I drove down the field and was forced to kick the FG to make it 20-13. After not recovering the onside kick I forced a FG on a 3 and out but it was too little too late.

Giants 23 - Bears 13

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GG Lexxon, you played a great game. It just sucks what could have been an awesome finished was ruined by one of those vintage "lol Madden" moments. Perhaps there was no overcoming Cutler's shitty play in this one though.
 
[quote name='bvharris']Down 13-10 I'd forced the Giants into a 3rd and 14 in FG range when Bradshaw rips off one of the most ridiculous runs I have ever seen. He was tackled like 5 times and yet slipped out of all of them for the touchdown. What should have been 16-10 at most was instead 20-10. I drove down the field and was forced to kick the FG to make it 20-13. After not recovering the onside kick I forced a FG on a 3 and out but it was too little too late.
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That was indeed pretty crazy. All game I pretty much told myself "Don't throw a dumb pick", particularly after my one dumb pick. So I decided to try and be "crafty" (again, as it worked earlier) and go for a long up the middle run...and he would have been stopped about 5 yards into it, but he broke a tackle (with a looooong animation) and snuck by the rest of the defenders in for the score. I saved the video but I'm unsure how to access it...never bothered to check that from the other league. (The Bills don't have too many moments, lol)

GG bv. Even though that run was pretty crazy, this is the only game against one of the better players in the league I feel like I earned. Against uber he threw a costly INT when he could have been conservative and kicked a FG to put the game away, and against BigAT, he had two costly fumbles caused by the wonderful Madden RNG, and both were returned for TDs. In this one, I felt like I (mostly) earned it, although who knows what would have happened if that Bradshaw run didn't close the deal.

I had some pretty nasty kick lag in this game, not sure if it's your end, mine, or EA...I don't know if you noticed but my first extra point, it was a complete floater--I actually had like 30% power and NO accuracy, I'm surprised I got it. I was nervous about the final FG because of that, would not have been surprised if I missed...I was lucky enough to avoid the lag spikes.
 
You definitely earned it, no doubt about it. I gave you some gifts with a couple of those picks (on the first one I tried to hit Heap on a crossing route when Olsen was wide open down the field) but you took advantage. It was some great defense on both sides of the ball, especially in the first half, but you definitely stung me with a few of those long runs in obvious passing situations when I was hanging back in coverage, including the backbreaking one.
 
[quote name='bvharris']You definitely earned it, no doubt about it. I gave you some gifts with a couple of those picks (on the first one I tried to hit Heap on a crossing route when Olsen was wide open down the field) but you took advantage. It was some great defense on both sides of the ball, especially in the first half, but you definitely stung me with a few of those long runs in obvious passing situations when I was hanging back in coverage, including the backbreaking one.[/QUOTE]

I'm very pleased with the Giants run game thus far. With the Bills, as anyone in the other league can tell you (other than against feroci0us/siradam for whatever reason, lol) I can't run the ball worth a damn. Some screen passes to Spiller, sure, but running is pretty piss poor. Getting used to the Giants though, and I may continue to play with Jacobs v. Bradshaw, as I've had some success with both of them.

If I tried some of the plays I ran today with the Bills...yeah, no. I may have to draft some O-Line come draft time.
 
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