CAG Madden 11 League 2 - Season 2! Week 10 Deadline Sat night. TEAMS OPEN!

Yeah I don't see why we would do things any differently in this league. I agree to make it happen.....I'm tryna get that sweet-a#% 4th ROUND PICK!!!!!!
 
[quote name='silentghost227']Bills vs Ravens

I have not heard anything from the ravens owner.[/QUOTE]

If you don't hear anything from him by tomorrow afternoon, we'll get a sub

[quote name='RamesuThe1']I'll sub for the falcons...[/QUOTE]

Go for it
 
4 games left:

Eagles-Titans (In touch, when is this being played?)
Bengals-Falcons (Ramesu is subbing)
Rams-Bucs (Aren't you guys buddies? Git 'er done)
Bills-Ravens (No contact from Ravens)
 
[quote name='bvharris']4 games left:

Eagles-Titans (In touch, when is this being played?)
Bengals-Falcons (Ramesu is subbing)
Rams-Bucs (Aren't you guys buddies? Git 'er done)
Bills-Ravens (No contact from Ravens)[/QUOTE]

Now.
 
[quote name='Darth0fTheDead']Updated - October 20, 2010
NFL Draft 2011
1st Round
New England from Oakland - DT Richard Seymour
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FUUUUUUUUUUUCK!!! Can i trade Seymour back to the Pats for that pick?

I dont think those trades should be enforced just because of how we had to pick teams for this league. I'm sure nobody picked their team thinking that they already had picks to give up... I definately wouldn't have taken Oakland knowing that I'd be without a first round... and i certainly wouldn't have traded away my 2nd or 3rd for that same reason. I understand the whole argument FOR following the first league but are any of the teams that traded away players in dire straits without those guys?
 
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I'm pro-enforcing the picks, but my thoughts on it in the other league before BV bullied it through ;) was that it was too much effort. That's the only real reason I see not to do it. But I do agree slightly with Deuce in that clearly the Pats are good without Seymour and without the pick, while Oakland even with Seymour could probably still use the pick. I get that, not sure if it's reason enough not to do it though.
 
Well obviously no one picked their team in the other league thinking that they already had picks to give up either. I just don't see how any argument can be made for the other league incorporating this idea and not doing it in this league. People (like Doom and myself) had to give up some meaningful picks in the other league and now we don't get to take advantage of that same rule when it actually helps us in this league. I'm not saying that I would personally be angry by getting screwed out of a measly 4th round pick, but I'm speaking generally. I just think it would be rather inconsistent if we didn't do the same thing in both leagues. Both leagues are roughly under the same management, so the rules should be the same too.
 
[quote name='ubernes']I'm pro-enforcing the picks, but my thoughts on it in the other league before BV bullied it through ;) was that it was too much effort. That's the only real reason I see not to do it. But I do agree slightly with Deuce in that clearly the Pats are good without Seymour and without the pick, while Oakland even with Seymour could probably still use the pick. I get that, not sure if it's reason enough not to do it though.[/QUOTE]

admittedly, my opinion is 100% completely biased lol... to have to give up a 1st that i actually need is whats gonna hurt... Seymour hasnt even been productive for us this season.... with that said, if the league decides to follow the first league, RICHARD SEYMOUR IS ON THE BLOCK... along with Jason Campbell :). Looking for a CB, WR, and/or picks (a 1st rd)
 
It's clear that it's definitely not too much effort, since most of the work is already done and we did it with no problem in the other league.

That said, I completely understand how Deuce feels and I'm sure I would feel the exact same way if I were in his position. Sheriff is correct though that nobody in the other league picked their teams with this in mind either.

If we're being consistent than the right move is obviously to do it, and I'm leaning that way, but I'm not 100% convinced yet (note that this rule doesn't affect my team or all one way or the other).

Edit: The Randy Moss case is an interesting one, actually. Normally our justification is "Oakland doesn't have a 1st round pick but they do have Seymour." In the case of the Vikings they don't have their 3rd round pick and they also don't have the player for whom they traded it (or the option to get him). I'm not sure Azu should be punished for the Vikings' incompetence.
 
[quote name='gbpackers94']Are we doing conditional draft picks?[/QUOTE]

Do you mean for the pre-existing trades or the new ones? I can't remember what we did in the other league for those..

For new trades, yes they're allowed but I have to agree that the conditions are fair.
 
Hey, I sent a message to BV earlier in the month... I am in the process of moving / without internet and unable to get this weeks game in. Can I please get a sub for the Ravens? Will be ready to go Monday once Charter swings by to setup internet.
 
[quote name='Steggy']Hey, I sent a message to BV earlier in the month... I am in the process of moving / without internet and unable to get this weeks game in. Can I please get a sub for the Ravens? Will be ready to go Monday once Charter swings by to setup internet.[/QUOTE]

You're right, I forgot. Did you already drop from the league or can you? If not I can boot you.

Who can sub for the Ravens?
 
[quote name='Deuce20602']Darth, would u swap Seymour for McCourty and a 2nd?[/QUOTE]

Isn't Darth a Pats fan? I don't think you could find a single one of those who would swap McCourty for Seymour even if the 2nd was coming the other way. :D

Besides, he said a while back he wasn't trading anyone (believe me I tried)
 
[quote name='bvharris']You're right, I forgot. Did you already drop from the league or can you? If not I can boot you.

Who can sub for the Ravens?[/QUOTE]

sorry, the 73" tv is naked with my 360 already in madison. Can you drop me and i will rejoin monday, tuesday at the latest if charter tries to forget about me monday.
 
Well BV...it's true your team isn't affected in this league, but if I'm not mistaken....you were the one advocating (or at least brought up) that we do incorporate the traded picks into the other league. And in THAT league it did benefit you...so you can't just stay neutral this time because it doesn't affect you. If you were pushing for it to be implemented in the other league where it did affect you and then you stay neutral this time (saying you're not really convinced either way), then it just makes it look like you were pushing for it just so you could get some free draft picks in the other league...not because it was the most reasonable thing to do. I don't see why anyone's opinion would change from one league to the next unless they are the ones benefiting/suffering from getting/giving up draft picks. Everyone affected by this should disregard if they are personally getting screwed over or benefited by this and strictly go by what the most logical/rational choice is. I think the most logical/rational thing to do is to be consistent in how the two leagues are run. But like you said, exceptions can be made in some cases like the Moss/Vikings ordeal.

After re-reading through my post, I realize I seem to have come off a little harshly to you BV by seemingly suggesting that he you look selfish or whatever lol, but I really didn't mean it that way. I just don't know how you're not convinced about doing it in this league versus the other league when the only difference is how your team is affected in each case. Yeah I feel bad for Deuce since he gets screwed out of a 1st round pick, but you can't just completely disregard Richard Seymour in a Raiders uniform either. Even if you feel like he hasn't been very effective for you so far Deuce, he's at the very least a heck of a trading chip. I realize you've been trading to trade him away with no success, but I'm actually personally thinking about sending you an offer for him since Haralson just went down for 11 weeks (my starting LE).

So I'm not sure if I got my point across or not...but sorry BV if I seem like I'm attacking you or anything, I'm just trying to get you more involved in this!!
 
I can sub for the Ravens...

Actually I can't...Im in the middle of a card game, sorry
 
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[quote name='bvharris']Isn't Darth a Pats fan? I don't think you could find a single one of those who would swap McCourty for Seymour even if the 2nd was coming the other way. :D

Besides, he said a while back he wasn't trading anyone (believe me I tried)[/QUOTE]


BV hit it on the head. :D
However, I must admit to some window shopping recently after my porous defensive performance thus far.
 
[quote name='Darth0fTheDead']BV hit it on the head. :D
However, I must admit to some window shopping recently after my porous defensive performance thus far.[/QUOTE]

i knew it was a long shot but the offer's on the table ;)
 
MasterAwesome... i'd love to get an offer for seymour but the reality of the matter is there are only two or three players o the Niners' roster that i'd make a move for and i doubt you'd be willing to trade any of them. In the other league, Grand Cru tried to snatch Ray Lewis from me but we had the same problem.

To reiterate for the rest of the league... it appears i'll be losing my first round pick so Richard Seymour and Jason Campbell are available for trades(although i need to check how many i still have left to make cuz trading seymour may stick me with Campbell for the rest of the season)
 
[quote name='MasterAwesome']Well BV...it's true your team isn't affected in this league, but if I'm not mistaken....you were the one advocating (or at least brought up) that we do incorporate the traded picks into the other league. And in THAT league it did benefit you...so you can't just stay neutral this time because it doesn't affect you. If you were pushing for it to be implemented in the other league where it did affect you and then you stay neutral this time (saying you're not really convinced either way), then it just makes it look like you were pushing for it just so you could get some free draft picks in the other league...not because it was the most reasonable thing to do. I don't see why anyone's opinion would change from one league to the next unless they are the ones benefiting/suffering from getting/giving up draft picks. Everyone affected by this should disregard if they are personally getting screwed over or benefited by this and strictly go by what the most logical/rational choice is. I think the most logical/rational thing to do is to be consistent in how the two leagues are run. But like you said, exceptions can be made in some cases like the Moss/Vikings ordeal.

After re-reading through my post, I realize I seem to have come off a little harshly to you BV by seemingly suggesting that he you look selfish or whatever lol, but I really didn't mean it that way. I just don't know how you're not convinced about doing it in this league versus the other league when the only difference is how your team is affected in each case. Yeah I feel bad for Deuce since he gets screwed out of a 1st round pick, but you can't just completely disregard Richard Seymour in a Raiders uniform either. Even if you feel like he hasn't been very effective for you so far Deuce, he's at the very least a heck of a trading chip. I realize you've been trading to trade him away with no success, but I'm actually personally thinking about sending you an offer for him since Haralson just went down for 11 weeks (my starting LE).

So I'm not sure if I got my point across or not...but sorry BV if I seem like I'm attacking you or anything, I'm just trying to get you more involved in this!![/QUOTE]

Yeah, that was pretty harsh and unnecessary, apology accepted though. San Diego got a 3rd rounder and gave up a 4th in the other league, so it was hardly earth-shattering. I never said I was staying neutral, I just said I wanted to hear discussion on it. We're most likely going to do it.

For the record, I was just thinking whether the situation would be different because we started the league further along with more updated rosters, I hadn't had a lot of time to think about it when Darth brought it up. After thinking about it more I can't see any real reason why it makes a difference, but I don't think there's anything wrong with deliberating over something which isn't going to affect the league for a couple months anyway.

I'll make a decision tomorrow but 95% sure we're going to be doing it.
 
Any suggestions on how to deal with the Moss thing? Do we:

1) Keep it as is (send Minny's 3rd rounder to New England)
2) Not send the pick, since Minny no longer has Moss
3) Send Tennessee's 3rd rounder instead
 
3
Reasoning: The point of trading the draft picks is to make it fair so that one team didn't get a player for free. I know we are trying to keep the league realistic but it totally screws over the Vikings if you make them trade their 3rd for nothing.
 
Just trying to refresh my memory...Vikings acquired Moss from the Patriots for a 3rd round pick and the Titans picked up Moss after the Vikings released him (so the Titans didn't give up any draft picks or anything) right? In that case...I think #3 is the way to go.

And Deuce, I was thinking more along the lines of maybe trading MY first round draft pick for Seymour...but just curious, who are the players on my team that you're interested in? I already know Willis (who I mentioned I might end up trading anyways)...I wouldn't say anyone else is untouchable, but Goldson and Davis (Vernon) are probably the only other players that I would have a tough time trading away. I realize there's a pretty good chance that those are the other 2 people you're talking about though lol.
 
Looks like Bills-Ravens is the last remaining game. I've booted the Ravens.. Bills, can you check into the thread when you're ready to play and whoever's around at the time can sub. Hoping to get this done this afternoon so we can advance.
 
[quote name='bvharris']Looks like Bills-Ravens is the last remaining game. I've booted the Ravens.. Bills, can you check into the thread when you're ready to play and whoever's around at the time can sub. Hoping to get this done this afternoon so we can advance.[/QUOTE]

if Zurezo isnt on after i finish the game in the other league, i can sub for the Ravens
 
[quote name='silentghost227']Well if its the last game just sim it my gf is over till i dont know when.[/QUOTE]

Alright, if you're going to be busy for a while we might as well advance it.
 
Just a thought...maybe we should restrict players from subbing as their own team in the other league? Everyone has picked a new team in this league and are probably still getting used to them (I know I am...), so I think it'd be a little unfair to pit them against a player who has like 2+ seasons of experience with a team. Maybe we could use this as an extension to the "can't sub for/against a team in your own division" rule. I'd be scared enough as it is to play against Deuce's Ravens or Doom's Raiders in the other league with my Panthers...let alone with my 49ers who I'm still trying to figure out.
 
Power Rankings Top 5:

1. Broncos
2. Panthers
3. 49ers
4. Bengals
5. Bears

Week 8 Game of the Week:

Broncos (7-0) at 49ers (5-2)

Best Players of Week 7:

OPOW - Drew Brees
DPOW - OJ Atogwe
OROW - Colt McCoy
DROW - Eric Berry

Week 8 Games:

Packers-Jets
Jaguars-Cowboys
Bills-Chiefs
Redskins-Lions
Panthers-Rams
Dolphins-Bengals
Broncos-49ers
Titans-Chargers
Bucs-Cardinals
Seahawks-Raiders
Vikings-Patriots
Steelers-Saints
Texans-Colts

Byes: Ravens, Giants, Falcons, Eagles, Browns, Bears
 
[quote name='MasterAwesome']Just a thought...maybe we should restrict players from subbing as their own team in the other league? Everyone has picked a new team in this league and are probably still getting used to them (I know I am...), so I think it'd be a little unfair to pit them against a player who has like 2+ seasons of experience with a team. Maybe we could use this as an extension to the "can't sub for/against a team in your own division" rule. I'd be scared enough as it is to play against Deuce's Ravens or Doom's Raiders in the other league with my Panthers...let alone with my 49ers who I'm still trying to figure out.[/QUOTE]

To my knowledge that hasn't happened yet, I never intended to let anyone sub for their old team. :D
 
Lol yeah I don't think it's happened either, but it just made me think about it when Deuce just offered to sub for the Ravens. And how the heck am I still ranked #3 after losing 2 weeks in a row!?
 
[quote name='MasterAwesome']Lol yeah I don't think it's happened either, but it just made me think about it when Deuce just offered to sub for the Ravens. And how the heck am I still ranked #3 after losing 2 weeks in a row!?[/QUOTE]

When do you want to play the Hangover Bowl?
 
[quote name='BigAT']When do you want to play the Hangover Bowl?[/QUOTE]

Lol ummm....my uncle has been hogging the Xbox 360 constantly the past few days, he's really obsessed with Rainbow Six Vegas for some reason. We're gonna watch a couple episodes of 24 in a bit so I might be able to play after that, like in 2 hours or so? So like 4 p.m. EST or later would be fine for me. I can play any time today after that, so you choose.
 
Raiders 39
Seahawks 7

Raiders' D forced 3 fumbles, picked off a pass and dropped countless other INTs en route to a dominating performance against the Seahawks. Giving up only 91 yards of total offense, the Raiders' D is trying to find some swag... Carson Palmer and Jason Campbell each threw a TD to Zach Miller (Campbell's TD toss coming on a fake fg right before halftime), and Cedric Benson added 2 TDs.

The Raiders are now preparing for their 3rd division game so far... this one against the Chiefs. With playoff spots up for grabs right now, the Raiders will be looking to put themselves in a better position to make a big push to be playing in the post season.
 
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Denver finally falls in a road game at the 49ers, 31-24.

I don't know what it was, but the entirety of my defense was gassed for what felt like the whole game. TOP wasn't messed up at all, with the 49ers barely winning that stat 10:21 to 9:39. It didn't matter what I did, from subbing players constantly to even burning a timeout in the middle of the third, I just could not get my defense anywhere near rested. It's been my experience that if your players get really low at any point in the game, it's significantly harder for them to regain stamina, regardless of how long you rest them.

GG MasterAwesome.
 
[quote name='BigAT']Denver finally falls in a road game at the 49ers, 31-24.

I don't know what it was, but the entirety of my defense was gassed for what felt like the whole game. TOP wasn't messed up at all, with the 49ers barely winning that stat 10:21 to 9:39. It didn't matter what I did, from subbing players constantly to even burning a timeout in the middle of the third, I just could not get my defense anywhere near rested. It's been my experience that if your players get really low at any point in the game, it's significantly harder for them to regain stamina, regardless of how long you rest them.

GG MasterAwesome.[/QUOTE]

They were tired from the previoius game... they worked ridiculously hard in the second half to stop us from putting points up
 
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