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[quote name='ubernes']I wish this game would let me put my best corner on the texans best wr but the game isn't letting me... Must be nice

edit: I have no idea why the game wasn't giving me the option to put Mathis on Andre Johnson. When my 2nd best CB is out and I was sick of finding Andre as the 3rd or 4th WR in the depth chart (and therefore finding my LBs or safeties on him in man coverage), I finally ended up putting my current #2 WR, who is rated somewhere in the 60s I believe. I'm not sure when I did this exactly (sometime in the 2nd half) or if it even helped (I doubt it), but it was better than a LB.[/QUOTE]

GG dont worry you get another shot at me in week 17
 
[quote name='Zurezo']GG dont worry you get another shot at me in week 17[/QUOTE]

not really worried. I just wish that when I'm aware of what defensive adjustments I need to make to better my chances of playing decent defense that the game would allow me to make said adjustments. if that keeps up I just need to hope that Cox is back by then and capable of holding down the fort. or maybe I need to get creative and move Mathis from #1 to #2 on my depth chart. not sure what else to do to make him available for the assignment.

i'm curious to know if those are all natural placements of Andre Johnson or if you're physically subbing him in and out on certain spots.
 
[quote name='ubernes']not really worried. I just wish that when I'm aware of what defensive adjustments I need to make to better my chances of playing decent defense that the game would allow me to make said adjustments. if that keeps up I just need to hope that Cox is back by then and capable of holding down the fort. or maybe I need to get creative and move Mathis from #1 to #2 on my depth chart. not sure what else to do to make him available for the assignment.[/QUOTE]

I had to double Maclin the entire game because I'm so weak at CB right now. I try to move AJ around as much as I can, which seems to help a lot.
 
interesting that you doubled Maclin when Sims-Walker was doing the majority of the damage, but maybe that's why I was finding him more open. I definitely found myself not playing my own game, which is one of the reasons I lost. Jennings had 2 great runs and I should've went to him a little bit more. The game was close until the late 3rd or 4th, but I was playing like I was 2-3 scores down from the 2nd quarter on, maybe sooner. I just hate playing zone as much as I did, but it was either that or watch Andre run away from someone having no business covering him. And that (the zone) worked for sometime, but not enough.
 
[quote name='ubernes']interesting that you doubled Maclin when Sims-Walker was doing the majority of the damage, but maybe that's why I was finding him more open. I definitely found myself not playing my own game, which is one of the reasons I lost. Jennings had 2 great runs and I should've went to him a little bit more. The game was close until the late 3rd or 4th, but I was playing like I was 2-3 scores down from the 2nd quarter on, maybe sooner. I just hate playing zone as much as I did, but it was either that or watch Andre run away from someone having no business covering him. And that (the zone) worked for sometime, but not enough.[/QUOTE]

I can't tell you how many times I've used the defensive assignments tool in the coaching options to put Talib or DRC on a receiver that's gouging me only to see the assigned CB is covering a TE or FB :bomb:
 
[quote name='Doomtime']Well I have a Linksys WRT54G Router so I have no idea if it's the same.

Went to the dashboard noticed my xbox live network settings were all set to automatic. Always a problem when I come back home for vacation because we have 4 computers and 2 xboxes on the network so there can be some pretty big ip conflicts which leads to either being kicked off Live when someone else signs in or I'll just end up having a moderate setting for online games which makes it difficult to connect.

Anyway, I took my xbox live network off of automatic, wrote down all the numbers so that I could reenter them manually. The only number I did change was the IP address itself. It was 192.168.1.100, but that was already being used so I just used .101 and it worked no problem. Put all the numbers back in the way they were other than the ip and then it worked fine. Haven't had problems since.

Hopefully that's clear, let me know if you need more clarification. All of this was done from the dashboard.[/QUOTE]

Thanks Doom!

I'm gonna try this, and Azu can you try it as well? Hopefully one of us is the problem.

Edit: Okay, either I fixed things on my end, or I screwed them up myself and then got them back to where they were, not sure. Either way I've fiddled with everything that can be fiddled with. Hopefully we can get it in this evening.
 
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I don't know if putting a 99 ovr WR 3rd or 4th in the depth chart is fair. I'm not trying to start anything, but I think we should discuss it.
 
[quote name='gbpackers94']I don't know if putting a 99 ovr WR 3rd or 4th in the depth chart is fair. I'm not trying to start anything, but I think we should discuss it.[/QUOTE]

He's not 3rd or 4th. I move him around by manually putting him (and others) where I want them. Nothing to discuss
 
[quote name='gbpackers94']Okay I guess I misinterpreted it. I thought you were putting WR's at TE and stuff. My bad.[/QUOTE]

No way! Ha. But by me moving him around so much I can get mismatches and it opens up my other WRs
 
[quote name='gbpackers94']Just wondering, is there a way to sub players without pausing the game? I've been trying to figure this out forever.[/QUOTE]

Yes, if you hit RB while in an offensive set (right before you pick your actual play) you can go and select individual positions and swap them out for people on your bench. It's a bit of a pain to swap people who are already on the field because you would need to first bench say Andre Johnson, and then go to the spot you want him in to sub him in there.

There's nothing wrong with that. I'll switch my #2 and #3 WRs from time to time based on the set, but it borders on exploitative imo when a team is able to do that, but the opposing team is not allowed to counteract it. Obviously IRL you wouldn't find Jack Del Rio on the sidelines screaming, "Why can't I find Mathis to put on Andre Johnson? Wait, the ILB is guarding him on a streak route? Who told them to do this?"
 
Yeah if the assignment thing doesnt actually work... i don't think its fair to switch your wide receivers around manually just seems like an exploit to me.
 
[quote name='Zurezo']He's not 3rd or 4th. I move him around by manually putting him (and others) where I want them. Nothing to discuss[/QUOTE]

That's kind of false. In those sets you are moving him to 3rd and 4th on the depth chart. Each WR lines up based on the depth chart, one through four (of 5 if you're BV). If you put Andre Johnson on the right side slot, he's the #4 WR on the depth chart for that set and the defense will treat him as such. Again, this is typically fine. The game gives you an option to put specific defenders on specific offensive players so the only benefit to moving someone around should be that the player runs a different route.

But like I said above, finding your 3rd or 4th defensive player on the opposing team's best is pretty stupid because that would never be the case IRL. Playing as 'coach' in Madden, I should really never have to tell my players, hey you're supposed to cover him. They would do it automatically. And knowing that in this game, for whatever reason, I do have to tell my players hey you guard this guy, you guard that guy...it's extra stupid that it didn't allow me to make such adjustments.
 
[quote name='ubernes']Each WR lines up based on the depth chart, one through four (of 5 if you're BV). If you put Andre Johnson on the right side slot, he's the #4 WR on the depth chart for that set and the defense will treat him as such.[/QUOTE]

Thats not true at all. If I run strong slots, it puts my WR 1 and WR 2 in the slots (which is where he is most of the time) So I shouldn't be allowed to place my WRs where I want? Give me a break, AJ is still playing WR and its not like I have an exploit to move him to TE or use an RB at WR all game.
 
It would seem people are beginning to see what i deal with twice a year playing the Steelers in the other league... Mike Wallace getting matched up with my nickel and dime corners because of the packages... forcing me to swith to a zone and then allowing him to gash my D by switching to run plays. While it is annoying, it's not illegal and there isnt much that can be done about it. It could be viewed as an exploit if the user relies on that tactic to sustain offense. There is no way to govern it because it is a football strategy but there should be some accepted level of reasonability by all users as is the case with screen passes...
 
I agree with ubernes and Deuce, I think it gets a bit excessive at times and does border on being an exploit (though I don't think I'd go so far as to call it that either). I think if it's a few times a game then it's alright, I think we all have sets where our best WR is in the slot. But I think doing it all the time combined with only running a few plays could be seen as a bit much.

I'm not saying he should have to change the way he plays, but I also don't think it's a coincidence that one of his receivers is always leading the league in receptions and yards, often to the point where they have well over 50% of the team's targets, which I'm not sure is realistic, as I've said in the past.
 
[quote name='ubernes']Each WR lines up based on the depth chart, one through four (of 5 if you're BV). [/QUOTE]

:D

I don't actually run any pure 5-wide sets, though I suppose Gates pretty much counts. In Madden where it's so easy to dump it off to the back I probably actually put myself at a disadvantage sometimes having that 4th receiver in rather than a back, but there are so many fun plays out of that 4WR 1TE set in my playbook.
 
which I'm not sure is realistic, as I've said in the past.

You can't keep going to the word "realistic". I'm playing a WR at a WR position. (and using a formation shift thats in the game, sting slots) Isn't the NFL all about creating a mismatch and taking advantage of it? So why wouldn't I try to move him around the field and create a matchup problem for the defense.
 
And I never complained once about ubernes running the same play 30+ times in the game, that seems "realistic"
 
[quote name='Zurezo']You can't keep going to the word "realistic". I'm playing a WR at a WR position. (and using a formation shift thats in the game, sting slots) Isn't the NFL all about creating a mismatch and taking advantage of it? So why wouldn't I try to move him around the field and create a matchup problem for the defense.[/QUOTE]

Because as ubernes pointed out, Madden won't always let you shadow a guy like that (I've noticed this too) and the AI ends up putting linebackers on them anyway. In real football, the best corner would follow the guy into the slot, which isn't always an option here, which I think is what ubernes was getting at.

[quote name='Zurezo']And I never complained once about ubernes running the same play 30+ times in the game, that seems "realistic"[/QUOTE]

By my count he only ran 29 offensive plays, so if he ran the same play 30+ times that would be pretty impressive.
 
[quote name='bvharris']Because as ubernes pointed out, Madden won't always let you shadow a guy like that (I've noticed this too) and the AI ends up putting linebackers on them anyway. In real football, the best corner would follow the guy into the slot, which isn't always an option here, which I think is what ubernes was getting at.

By my count he only ran 29 offensive plays, so if he ran the same play 30+ times that would be pretty impressive.[/QUOTE]

OK, 25+ plays, want me to draw the play up for you too? I know you're gonna defend him, but its ridiculous that some people have a problem with me lining up my best WR in the slot. I'm not running the same pattern with him every time, in fact I run every play out of that formation.

I have never had a problem with defensive assignments, so it's odd that this is the first time that I have heard of the problem.
 
I'm not going to blindly defend ubernes or anyone else, I just happen to agree with him this time, there are plenty of times when I don't.
 
I think the problem is probably mostly one of perception. Running every play out of a single formation can certainly give the appearance that you're running similar plays again and again, even if you're not. I know from my time playing you that it's pretty much that bunch 4-wide set the whole game, and wherever Wallace or the back is coming out of the set, they're usually getting the ball. Which is fine if they're uncovered, but usually that's because there was a linebacker on them or they're running a quick out into the flat.

I have no problem with relying on a small set of plays that you're comfortable with. Hell, I can't remember more than 4 or 5 well enough to run them with confidence myself. But ubernes isn't the first person to bring this up.. That said, we're not going to have a witch hunt or anything.
 
Broncos fall to the Chiefs 17-10. GG Ram.

I was playing on tilt for most of the game after Kyle Orton missed some wide open receivers early on, which caused me to make some really foolish decisions and only compound on my problems. It got to the point that I actually pulled Orton in favor of Tim Tebow. Tebow can't throw for shit beyond 7 yards, but he is a monster in the open field. I've never actually tried using a fast QB in Madden, they are pretty ridiculous apparently. He engineered a bit of a comeback, but in the end the hole was too big and it wasn't enough.



I don't think this has ever been really addressed in either league at all, but is user control of wide receivers acceptable and allowed? I'm not used to seeing it at all because it is banned in the other league I play in, due to the obvious implication of rocket catching. I don't have a clue what everyone's stance is on it over here though.
 
[quote name='BigAT']
I don't think this has ever been really addressed in either league at all, but is user control of wide receivers acceptable and allowed? I'm not used to seeing it at all because it is banned in the other league I play in, due to the obvious implication of rocket catching. I don't have a clue what everyone's stance is on it over here though.[/QUOTE]

I'm not even sure what rocket catching is...

I assume you mean taking control of the WR after the snap (presumably on deep routes) in which case I have no problem with it. Can you explain the implications?
 
[quote name='bvharris'] witch hunt [/QUOTE]

Every time I hear witch hunt now it reminds me of the most disappointing Dragon Age DLC:cry:.

Sorry, random I know, but I'm bored waiting for the Saints-Seahawks game to start.
 
[quote name='theredworm']rocket catching sounds like something you'd do in a nfl blitz game[/QUOTE]

rocket-man-suit.jpeg
 
I do a lot of user catching but i havent seen the rocket catching that plagued previous maddens.... in fact, i've had many passes sail over a receiver's head that a rocket catch would've been very useful for.
 
Okay, I looked it up. I've never seen anybody do that in this league, I'm not even sure most of us would be able to pull that off. User catching is fine though, I do it myself to help WRs get under deep balls better.
 
I find it hilarious that I'm able to run the same play everytime yet can still find a way to pass it to more than one WR, unlike you and your "many" plays...
 
Sims-Walker - 4
Maclin - 2
Thomas - 2
Lewis - 1

vs.

AJ - 7
Danials - 4
Walter - 2

Because I only throw to AJ.

And I don't mind you running the same play every time because it was not difficult to stop.
 
I'm not upset about anything that was said, I'm just trying to figure out why it's a bad thing to try and get a LB/FS/SS on my best 2 WRs.

I have no problem with anybody
 
[quote name='Zurezo']I'm not upset about anything that was said, I'm just trying to figure out why it's a bad thing to try and get a LB/FS/SS on my best 2 WRs.

I have no problem with anybody[/QUOTE]

Because the game won't let you counter it on defense.
 
[quote name='Zurezo']OK, 25+ plays, want me to draw the play up for you too? I know you're gonna defend him, but its ridiculous that some people have a problem with me lining up my best WR in the slot. I'm not running the same pattern with him every time, in fact I run every play out of that formation.

I have never had a problem with defensive assignments, so it's odd that this is the first time that I have heard of the problem.[/QUOTE]

Not a lot of people try to actually assign people to specific WRs. How many time is the game paused during the course of the game when you play? Never? It rarely happens to me, so therefore rarely do people go in there to tinker with it. If they did then your borderline exploit wouldn't work as well and maybe you wouldn't have 5,000 yard receiving with one guy every season you play.

Sorry dude, but you're full of shit. The 1st quarter I was using Ask Madden. I didn't even use the same run play twice (not that I ran it more than 5-6 times). I'm very comfortable with plenty of my playbook and use pretty much all of my shotgun formations. I really couldn't care less if Andre Johnson was lined up as fucking QB, as long as I was able to put my best CB on him then you can move him around wherever you want. The problem is you don't move him around to switch things up, or have him use different routes, you do it because you know he's going to be covered by a LB. It's bush league, frankly. Especially when I have the wherewithal to make the adjustment and the game doesn't allow me. That's pretty much the definition of an exploit.
 
[quote name='Zurezo']
And I don't mind you running the same play every time because it was not difficult to stop.[/QUOTE]

I clearly haven't mind up until this point that you do either because I don't think you've beaten me since the first time we played. You're pure gimmick and once I figure out a way to put the correct CB on Andre Johnson, then I'll have no problem once again.

edit: I really just don't fucking get how I could even be closely accused of running the same play. I don't even run the same set. Like I said above, I use at least 4, 5 different shotgun sets (which I probably use the most) and all 3 of my I, off-set Is (both sides), so that's another 9 sets. how exactly can I run the same play out of 13, 14 different sets? mind you, in the shotgun sets, which I used most in this last game because I found myself down, I like multiple plays in each set. admittedly that can't be said for my I sets. in short: bullshit.
 
[quote name='ubernes']I clearly haven't mind up until this point that you do either because I don't think you've beaten me since the first time we played. You're pure gimmick and once I figure out a way to put the correct CB on Andre Johnson, then I'll have no problem once again.[/QUOTE]

Making it so personal...

I have never heard of this "defensive assignment glitch"

I always have my best CB lined up on the WR that leads the team in rec. And never once has he not been matched up on him. If your playing a 4-6 vs. 4 Wide what do you think is gonna happen?

Doom and Deuce both do great jobs vs. me when I'm on offense.
 
How is me saying you're pure gimmick (which you are, and you haven't really said anything to disprove this yet) making it personal? I'm just stating facts. The facts also say you've only beaten me twice, on the first two times we've met with new teams. Is that personal? I don't get it. I'm just calling you out. People have said similar things before and they were swept under the rug. I just happen to be a bit louder this time around and you happen to actually come out and try to defend yourself in a smug way, which backfiring if you haven't noticed.
 
On the issue of user catching , I haven't seen any rocket catching and yea I user catch everything myself, similiar to duece, I don't see any problem with user catching.

The problem ubernes is talking about I understand I have ran into similiar problems every once in a whille (not against Zurezo). Sometimes it will tell me my number one corner is injured , and my opponents number one reciever is injured. But it can def feel like your being scammed when you can't put your number one on your opponents number one, especially if you have one decent corner.
 
I'm surprised more of you haven't heard of rocketing catching. Rocket catching is when you manually take control of your wide receiver, undercut the route and then go to catch the ball by causing your WR to jump and "rocket" towards the ball, making it nearly impossible to defend.

This basically:
http://www.easports.com/media/play/video/60116502

A little hard to tell at that distance, but you get the idea.
 
If you or anybody can show me a "defensive assignment glitch" then you have an argument. I'm not purposely using a glitch and like I said before, nobody has ever brought this up to me nor have I ever had a problem with assigning my CB to WR

I'm just curious to what you're getting at and what you would like me to do about it.

- Not allowed to move my WR1 around
- Only allowed to have him on the outside
 
If I'm unable to move my CB to your WR, then you shouldn't be allowed to move your WR. Simple as that. I've never had any issue with moving my CBs to any WR, but for whatever reason it wouldn't let me that game. And I tried multiple times. I thought maybe Mathis was hurt, maybe he was tired and he was sitting out the next play. I tried it after a kickoff, before a kickoff, in the middle of the drive. You were there, you witnessed me pausing the game. Each time Mathis didn't show up on the available list of defenders when I was trying to stick him on Andre Johnson.

Is it your fault that it wouldn't let me? No not really. But you don't need to be a smug asshole about it either.

edit: and to clarify, if a #1 or #2 WR is naturally placed in the slot, like you say happens in your strong slots formation, then that shouldn't matter. in man coverage my #1 and #2 CBs should still be on those 2 WRs. the #1 WR gets moved all over the field in different formations on their own. the problem comes when you remove them from where they are naturally placed and put them in what is essentially a different part of the depth chart. I see what you're saying about trying to find matchups to exploit (in a good way), but would a LB in the NFL ever lineup to play D and see Andre Johnson across the line? no LB would ever be assigned to cover Johnson. ever. so you're creating a situation that would never happen on it's own in the NFL. this in itself is more annoying than exploitative because it's something you can adjust to, BUT the game wouldn't allow me to last night and I think I have the right to complain about you putting my team in a situation that's annoying to begin with and one of which I wasn't able to get out of once I recognized what you were doing.
 
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