CAG Madden 11 League 2 - Season 2! Week 10 Deadline Sat night. TEAMS OPEN!

Just an FYI for everybody, because it's the trading deadline this week I will not be moving the advancement either forward or back.

I'm setting it at 11PM EST Tuesday Night, and that's it. Even if all the games finish before then we'll hold it firm. Likewise, I won't be moving back the deadline for any games not played by then. Any trades must be submitted and approved before that deadline (I'll be around to approve any last-minute trades, but if you submit one at 10:55 it better be damned fair or I have no problem rejecting it).
 
Lol wow, am I the only one who thinks BV is getting one heck of a deal out of this? I'm not saying I object to the deal....but I'm not sure if ANY tight end is worth trading Rodgers-Cromartie for...not even Sanjay Nash!!!

Edit: okay okay MAYBE Sanjay Nash...
 
I think I'm getting one heck of a deal out of it, I wouldn't have made the deal otherwise. That said, I do think it's fair. Arizona desperately needs a TE, and Olsen is a great one. For what it's worth, his rating doesn't drop at all if moved to WR (where I've been playing him while Knox is out). He's no slouch. I'll reiterate that he approached me with this deal, with the help of Doom, not that it really matters who pitched it but I just want to be clear whose trade it was.
 
[quote name='MasterAwesome']Lol wow, am I the only one who thinks BV is getting one heck of a deal out of this? I'm not saying I object to the deal....but I'm not sure if ANY tight end is worth trading Rodgers-Cromartie for...not even Sanjay Nash!!!

Edit: okay okay MAYBE Sanjay Nash...[/QUOTE]

I agree...great corners are at a premium in this game while a good TE is a dime a dozen...
 
[quote name='Darth0fTheDead']Just a thought to perhaps not completely rape the Cards D.

Olsen+Bowman Patrick+RDC

Just my 2 cents. :D[/QUOTE]

The trade as constituted is the trade. I have 3 TEs on my team rated higher than Patrick, adding another TE wouldn't make any sense for me.

If I were to send a corner back (which he didn't ask me to do) it would have been Jennings.
 
He usually uses San Francisco and I play him online all the time. Even with that team he cannot play defense to save his life. I think this will help him more in the long run.
 
[quote name='theredworm']now online playing splosion man and no responses, hope that is a gf or someone else playing cause i could get the game played now but I guess it's not happening[/QUOTE]

netflix was my wife, sposion man is my oldest son. I ended up getting a really bad toothache last night and going to bed early, and went in and had an unexpected root canal this morning. sorry for inconvenience, I will try to catch you later tonight when you get off of work.
 
[quote name='bvharris']The trade as constituted is the trade. I have 3 TEs on my team rated higher than Patrick, adding another TE wouldn't make any sense for me.[/QUOTE]

Yeah this is one of the main reasons I'm saying BV is getting a heck of a deal (but I'm not necessarily objecting). The trade itself (incorporating age, potential, rating, etc.) is fair, but BV still has Heap (a #1 TE on most teams) and another pretty solid TE as well. However, I think we already agreed (and I do think it should be this way) that we just look at the fairness of the trade based solely on the players involved and not how much the loss of the players is going to impact each team. That's similar to how I traded DeAngelo Williams since I already had a very solid #2 running back in Jonathan Stewart.

I do think Rodgers-Cromartie's speed + man coverage + catching ability makes him one of the most appealing cornerbacks in the league (I would personally put him just behind Revis and Asomugha). He is basically a pick-six waiting to happen. Although I'm not objecting to this trade, I think we should get some more discussion/opinions on this one before it's put through. I don't even think we've played half of our games for the week, so we can at least wait til right before we advance to discuss the trade.
 
[quote name='MasterAwesome']Yeah this is one of the main reasons I'm saying BV is getting a heck of a deal (but I'm not necessarily objecting). The trade itself (incorporating age, potential, rating, etc.) is fair, but BV still has Heap (a #1 TE on most teams) and another pretty solid TE as well. However, I think we already agreed (and I do think it should be this way) that we just look at the fairness of the trade based solely on the players involved and not how much the loss of the players is going to impact each team. That's similar to how I traded DeAngelo Williams since I already had a very solid #2 running back in Jonathan Stewart.

I do think Rodgers-Cromartie's speed + man coverage + catching ability makes him one of the most appealing cornerbacks in the league (I would personally put him just behind Revis and Asomugha). He is basically a pick-six waiting to happen. Although I'm not objecting to this trade, I think we should get some more discussion/opinions on this one before it's put through. I don't even think we've played half of our games for the week, so we can at least wait til right before we advance to discuss the trade.[/QUOTE]
What do you propose? Draft picks?
 
I'm in no rush, I'm on a bye this week and Arizona has already played. Using the barometer of evaluating trades based solely on the players involved (which, as you point out, we've always done) I think it's undeniably a fair trade. There's no doubt that I'm dealing from a position of strength with regards to TEs, which my acquisition of Heap allows. Also it's clear that he covets a good quick Tight End (which Olsen is) and places less emphasis on defense. Despite having Heap, it's not as if losing Olsen is going to go unnoticed by my offense, he was far and away the leading receiver on the team and anyone who's played me this year can say how heavily I leaned on Olsen, especially on 3rd down.

This applies to all trades, not just this one:

An acceptable reason to object to a trade: "That's an unfair highway robbery."

Not an acceptable reason to object to a trade: "Damn, I wish I could get that player on my team instead."

I'm not saying the latter is going on here, just making sure. :D
 
[quote name='gregthomas77']netflix was my wife, sposion man is my oldest son. I ended up getting a really bad toothache last night and going to bed early, and went in and had an unexpected root canal this morning. sorry for inconvenience, I will try to catch you later tonight when you get off of work.[/QUOTE]

Sounds good take some pain pills shortly before kickoff

As far as the trade I say no cause its the bears and that's all I need to say
 
[quote name='theredworm']
As far as the trade I say no cause its the bears and that's all I need to say[/QUOTE]

I'll count that as a yes. ;)

I feel like I'm the Norv Turner or Wade Phillips of Madden with my ability to acquire a winning team far outpacing my ability to actually win anything with it. :D

That said, if we have a Biggest and Most Frequent Blockbusters award in the future, I think it would be close between Deuce and I in both leagues. :D
 
Lol well I'm sure we're ALL thinking the latter...but yeah that's obviously not a valid reason. Although if he always plays with the 49ers, I'm not sure why he didn't come to ME with any kind of trade deals!!! But I'm not sure I'd trade away Vernon Davis anyways.

Another thing to point out: I feel like in the online franchise rookie drafts there are a lot of solid receiving TEs (in the 70-80 range) with speeds in the 80's. In the other league, Nash was an 82 OVR with 88 speed and I also got a 71 OVR with 85 speed. In the first draft, there was Munchie Cosh, the Titans got a good fast TE (85 speed), Colts got one (87 speed), Freeman Kane (don't remember which team), Colt stone (Ravens). It's actually ridiculous how fast these imaginary rookie TEs are. I'm pretty sure every TE in both drafts from the first 2 or 3 rounds are all 80+ speed. So if he doesn't mind waiting...he has a good shot of drafting a better TE in the off-season. Good CBs from the draft however are pretty rare...off the top of my head I know Atlanta got a good one last year and there were a couple pretty good ones this year, but no one on the level of Rodgers-Cromartie.

And to Doom - I'm sure throwing in a draft pick would appease most people who are apprehensive about the trade...people can give their input if they want.

I really gotta go so I'll try to put some more thought into it later.
 
Not sure about the trade. CBs seem way more important than TE, and rodgers Cromartie is already rated higher and is younger. I'm not saying it shouldn't be allowed but it does seem a little one sided.
 
And to Doom - I'm sure throwing in a draft pick would appease most people who are apprehensive about the trade...people can give their input if they want.
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I haven't got any left other than my 3rd, 6th, and 7th. :D

I haven't seen any truly compelling objections yet. Yes, Cromatie is higher rated and younger, but it's by 2 points and a year, so hardly deal breaking. That said, I'm not going to get all dictatorial and push it through if people have (legitimate) objections. If I have to send a corner (likely Jennings) or a pick back I will.

Edit: Here's another thing. As someone pointed out (and I agree) for most people's playstyles CBs are more valuable than TEs. However as Doom pointed out that's not the case for the Cards owner, who places a premium on offense, especially at TE. I'll point out again that it was him who proposed the trade, not me.
 
[quote name='theredworm']My objection was legitimate[/QUOTE]

lol, fair enough. In that case I object to Aaron Rodgers not being concussed every week. ;)

[quote name='ubernes']Rodgers-Cromartie is A potential, Olsen is B btw. At least according to the sheet I'm looking at now.[/QUOTE]

Thanks, I wasn't sure what he was and you stupidly can't check on the Franchise website.
 
Olsen & a 3rd Round Pick for Cromartie then?

I can see why the objections are taking place and didn't really think of as I had a very long night and didn't wake up until a few hours ago. Either way, he'll be more than happy with Olsen on his roster.
 
I'm gonna go for the rare "no picks draft", haha. That's fine, it will give me more chance to officiate the draft rather than participate (aside from picking people for other teams).

Olsen and a 3rd.
 
[quote name='bvharris']
That said, if we have a Biggest and Most Frequent Blockbusters award in the future, I think it would be close between Deuce and I in both leagues. :D[/QUOTE]

Deuce would win the tie-breaker with his uncanny "Hype Man" ability. Now with the cast you've assembled you better be ready for some Yankee jokes if you don't, at least, win the AFC. :D
 
Alright I'm much happier with Olsen + a third round pick, I will give my full support behind it. I'm just scared this is gonna be one of those Eric Berry-type trades where an already good player is getting a very good, potentially game-changing new defender. Then next season or the season after...we're all gonna be severely regretting letting this trade go through when Rodgers-Cromartie has 16 Interception TDs and wins back-to-back Defensive POY awards lol.

But I don't think anyone can argue that CBs aren't extremely vital no matter what your game-style is. Even if this guy is bad at playing defense like Doom says, the CB is most likely gonna be CPU-controlled anyway so just having him on the field is a HUGE benefit.
 
[quote name='MasterAwesome']Yeah this is one of the main reasons I'm saying BV is getting a heck of a deal (but I'm not necessarily objecting). The trade itself (incorporating age, potential, rating, etc.) is fair, but BV still has Heap (a #1 TE on most teams) and another pretty solid TE as well. However, I think we already agreed (and I do think it should be this way) that we just look at the fairness of the trade based solely on the players involved and not how much the loss of the players is going to impact each team. That's similar to how I traded DeAngelo Williams since I already had a very solid #2 running back in Jonathan Stewart.

I do think Rodgers-Cromartie's speed + man coverage + catching ability makes him one of the most appealing cornerbacks in the league (I would personally put him just behind Revis and Asomugha). He is basically a pick-six waiting to happen. Although I'm not objecting to this trade, I think we should get some more discussion/opinions on this one before it's put through. I don't even think we've played half of our games for the week, so we can at least wait til right before we advance to discuss the trade.[/QUOTE]

RDC had 9 picks for my last year, with 3-4 of them being pick 6's. Like I mentioned at the end of last year, him and Talib literally made up half of my points last year.

All I got to say is you better beat the Dolphins and the Bills this year. :D
 
[quote name='Darth0fTheDead']Deuce would win the tie-breaker with his uncanny "Hype Man" ability. Now with the cast you've assembled you better be ready for some Yankee jokes if you don't, at least, win the AFC. :D[/QUOTE]

I'd have a hard time winning the AFC from the NFC North. ;)
 
I'll be flying back to England on Sunday, and as of Sunday I'll likely be out of Madden for a couple weeks top. I'm bringing my system with me, and I'll just need to secure a monitor and some cables when I get there. I'll keep you updated, but just throwing it out there that I'll need a sub for a couple weeks.
 
I just lost McCoy for 11 weeks aka the season. I won't get Cox back until week 15 or 16 it looks like. The Jags are falling apart here!

edit: I picked up some joker for depth. I doubt he sees the field as I don't mind Karim or Jennings (at least in comparison to the waivers), although once the waivers open up around here maybe I'll look into a higher rated veteran.
 
[quote name='Azumangaman']I'll be flying back to England on Sunday, and as of Sunday I'll likely be out of Madden for a couple weeks top. I'm bringing my system with me, and I'll just need to secure a monitor and some cables when I get there. I'll keep you updated, but just throwing it out there that I'll need a sub for a couple weeks.[/QUOTE]

Hopefully you're able to get something set up over there, definitely keep us posted. I was looking forward to our division rivalry games!

So no objections to Olsen + 3rd for DRC after I caved to the bloodthirsty mob? :D
 
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Hey everyone, I unfortunately am going to have to take a sabbatical from these leagues. My wife and I recently got a puppy who has been having some issues and I feel bad every time I spend time on here and not help out. I hope this doesn't damage any future gaming we might play together. I'll post this in the other league as well. (Has nothing to do with the beating cru just put on me - that guy is good!)
 
Bengals and Titans agree to following terms:

Bengals send Terrell Owens 89 ovr and rookie tight end Jermaine Gresham 77 ovr

Titans send Randy Moss 93 ovr , Tight End J. Cook jr 68 ovr , and a 3rd rounder
 
Hmm.. I'm wondering whether we should consider the fact that the other league retired Owens after one season. Opinions on whether that's relevant to this deal?
 
[quote name='bvharris']Hmm.. I'm wondering whether we should consider the fact that the other league retired Owens after one season. Opinions on whether that's relevant to this deal?[/QUOTE]
Yeah I was thinking the same thing. I'll have to go into the game and check everyone out.
 
Yeah well the Titans should definitely be aware of that...that was exactly why I didn't want to trade for Owens myself. Plus it's already 9 games into the season so if you got 7-8 games out of Owens and then he retired, that would make this a really bad deal. Even disregarding that...I personally think a 3rd rounder is a bit too much (maybe a 4th or 5th rounder), but it would help if you put the ages/potentials of the players involved (mainly just curious about Gresham/Cook Jr.).
 
[quote name='MasterAwesome']Yeah well the Titans should definitely be aware of that...that was exactly why I didn't want to trade for Owens myself. Plus it's already 9 games into the season so if you got 7-8 games out of [/QUOTE]

Same reason I didn't.
 
Moss isn't currently on the Bengals roster , and Gresham is a A potential 77 ovr rookie Tight End. I felt that the 3rd round pick isn't to hefty judging from what i already know about this Draft class , but I could consider a tweak in this deal if need be.
 
It's just a natural landing place for him I guess.

Anyway, does Kay know about the retirement thing? If so and he's still fine with it, I think it's a fair trade.
 
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