CAG NFL Season Discussion

Konfusion said:
We didn't hear anything about him because he was on the practice squad. We never see those guys play. We only saw him play in the preseason for a Rams team that is deep on the defensive line. Yes, It was preseason, but he did play well.

Manti is a strange situation. I used to live near Notre Dame and have a close friend who is a big Notre Dame and Chargers fan, so I heard all about him before and after his controversy. There were rumors that he was gay and this "girlfriend" in California was his cover for why he never had a GF or was seen with any girls while being the star player in South Bend. He told Katie Couric he wasn't, but his response was a bit strange imo. I wouldn't be surprised either way, but it's a different situation because even if Manti is gay, he isn't open about it and it's all speculation. It doesn't really matter to the team or fans because they can easily say it just isn't true. It's only rumors.
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Woah, woah, woah. That's what the Manti Te'o thing was about? All I ever heard was a huge fervor hanging over last year's draft about how he'd be such a huge distraction that teams were terrified of picking him up and once he was drafted, that was the last we ever heard anything about him. I could understand concern about the GF thing, but beyond that, it becomes a TMZ like shit show where it's just prying into somebody's private life.

My overall point is that there's no reason to give up Michael Sam with really nothing to base it on. Potential Hall of Fame WR Rod Smith went undrafted, got picked up by the Patriots, and then released before he landed in a situation where he shined. There are plenty of others out there that bounced around a bit before they find the right situation, so Sam's not a lost cause yet by any stretch of the imagination.

 
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FriskyTanuki said:
Woah, woah, woah. That's what the Manti Te'o thing was about? All I ever heard was a huge fervor hanging over last year's draft about how he'd be such a huge distraction that teams were terrified of picking him up and once he was drafted, that was the last we ever heard anything about him. I could understand concern about the GF thing, but beyond that, it becomes a TMZ like shit show where it's just prying into somebody's private life.
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Well I assume you know the "catfish" story. There was even a movie called Catfish a couple years before the Manti controversy. In the movie, a woman creates an online persona that is not true to herself. An older woman pretends to be a younger attractive woman and tricks a young guy into an online relationship not knowing who he is truly interacting with. When he tries to meet up with her, he figures out he has been tricked. In Manti's situation, the girl he thought he was interacting with online was actually a man. This man was apparently a family friend or acquaintance. Some people suggested that Manti was in on it all along and this man had a real relationship with Manti. It would not surprise me if this was true. First off, he can't be openly gay and play for a religious school like Notre Dame. Second, he was THE star player there and was reportedly never seen with any women because he had an internet relationship. It's all speculation of course, but it wouldn't be that shocking if it was true. This is part of his interview with Katie Couric. It's a pretty unbelievable story IMO.

FriskyTanuki said:
My overall point is that there's no reason to give up Michael Sam with really nothing to base it on. Potential Hall of Fame WR Rod Smith went undrafted, got picked up by the Patriots, and then released before he landed in a situation where he shined. There are plenty of others out there that bounced around a bit before they find the right situation, so Sam's not a lost cause yet by any stretch of the imagination.
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To add to this, James Harrison went undrafted and was cut multiple times before he finally latched on to the Steelers and became a key contributor on a Super Bowl team. He is a pass rusher who is 242 lbs and 6 feet tall or even less depending on what you want to believe. Size is a thing people are using against Michael Sam, who is taller and weighs more than Harrison. Elvis Dumervil is also an "undersized" player who is tied for 2nd in the league in sacks right now. I'm not saying Sam is that kind of player, but the whole size thing is overblown. Drew Brees and Russell Wilson are 2 "undersized" QBs who won Super Bowls recently.
 
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DestroVega said:
There is no distraction. He's just not a great player. I'm just answering people who seem to be up in arms. Just cause he was SEC DPOY doesn't mean he was gonna be Charles Haley.
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The fact that he was an "award-winning collegiate player" does seem to the rallying cry of the football novice who is angered about Sam's situation. I'd suggest explaining to them that many men who won much more impressive awards have fizzled out, but they won't listen.

 
That flop by the Cincinnati receiver. 

Another average performance by the Dolphins, if they play like this against San Diego or Detroit they will get blown out. 

 
That flag led to the destruction of my wireless keyboard. Went flying across the room and exploded when it hit the wall. The Ravens shouldn't have let it come down to that kind of a play, but dear god I thought I was watching the World Cup bullshit.

 
Raiders make a weird call to go for it instead of kicking a FG and Tashaun Gipson gets his fifth INT of the year. Decent start on defense so far.

 
Huge game for this defense to keep the Raiders from mounting a comeback by shutting down the run and doing a good job of defending the pass while keeping Derek Carr off-rhythm for most of the game. The running game sucked once again, but that seems to be the norm until a center emerges as a solid replacement for Alex Mack. Only two games remain before Josh Gordon returns.

 
Big Ben is also putting up a Madden Face..geez that guy has a big head.

 
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Steve Smith committed pass interference without question. But the defender definitely sold it more.

Best play of the day was Sammy Watkins' rookie move. That's actually going to be the highlight of the Jets entire season.
 
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CaseyRyback said:
I know he had a bad combine but he was a projected third round pick before the announcement.
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Alfred Williams, an Ex Broncos DE front he Superbowl years graded him out at a second-third round pick, but said no one would take him till the 7th or at all simply because of the decision. He said Sam can play and can see it in him, but he won't get a clean chance.

I know the Tebow horse is beaten dead, but the guy won, I have no idea how but he did, and that is more than Qb's like Geno Smith, E.J. Manuel and Teddy Bridgewater.... I mean he did go 9-7 as a starter with one playoff win... in fact he is the only Heisman winner in 26 years to win a playoff game, and he has a better playoff winning percentage then: Andy Dalton, Andrew Luck, Alex Smith, Tony Romo, and Matt Ryan

Yes he wasn't a great skilled QB, but I have never seen a competitor that just worked harder than anyone and willed the team to victory.

 
bestkeeper14 said:
Alfred Williams, an Ex Broncos DE front he Superbowl years graded him out at a second-third round pick, but said no one would take him till the 7th or at all simply because of the decision. He said Sam can play and can see it in him, but he won't get a clean chance.

I know the Tebow horse is beaten dead, but the guy won, I have no idea how but he did, and that is more than Qb's like Geno Smith, E.J. Manuel and Teddy Bridgewater.... I mean he did go 9-7 as a starter with one playoff win... in fact he is the only Heisman winner in 26 years to win a playoff game, and he has a better playoff winning percentage then: Andy Dalton, Andrew Luck, Alex Smith, Tony Romo, and Matt Ryan

Yes he wasn't a great skilled QB, but I have never seen a competitor that just worked harder than anyone and willed the team to victory.
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Tebow won games because of the Broncos Defense and Matt Prater. The defense and Prater kept them in the game and not Tebow.
 
DestroVega said:
A second DE tore his ACL doing a jumping celebration after a sack. So weird.
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Not weird. idiotic. The Bears were down by 25 late in the game at that point, and he had just sacked the Pats' backup QB.

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The problem with Tebow is that you'd have to fashion an entire, unique offense around him and his skill set, and no one wants to be bothered, because the league is all about passing the ball down the field, which we all know ain't exactly Tebow's strength.

Tebow still won some of those games with his abilities. Might not have always been pretty, but he had games where he picked up the defense. There were also times where the defense kept them in the game, but Tebow still had to make a play to win, and he found a way to do it, which is way more than can be said about some QB's that still have NFL gigs.

 
blueweltall said:
Tebow won games because of the Broncos Defense and Matt Prater. The defense and Prater kept them in the game and not Tebow.
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Reminds me of that SNL sketch where Jesus comes in the Broncos' locker room, and Tebow is like "He's why we're winning," and Jesus is like "Not because of me. Because of Matt Prater."

 
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bigdaddybruce44 said:
The problem with Tebow is that you'd have to fashion an entire, unique offense around him and his skill set, and no one wants to be bothered, because the league is all about passing the ball down the field, which we all know ain't exactly Tebow's strength.

Tebow still won some of those games with his abilities. Might not have always been pretty, but he had games where he picked up the defense. There were also times where the defense kept them in the game, but Tebow still had to make a play to win, and he found a way to do it, which is way more than can be said about some QB's that still have NFL gigs.
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Of course Tebow have to made some play but to give him all the praise for winning will be wrong given that most of the game they won was just by a field goal.
 
bigdaddybruce44 said:
The problem with Tebow is that you'd have to fashion an entire, unique offense around him and his skill set, and no one wants to be bothered, because the league is all about passing the ball down the field, which we all know ain't exactly Tebow's strength.

Tebow still won some of those games with his abilities. Might not have always been pretty, but he had games where he picked up the defense. There were also times where the defense kept them in the game, but Tebow still had to make a play to win, and he found a way to do it, which is way more than can be said about some QB's that still have NFL gigs.
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Actually the problem was Tebow couldn't throw short... the only decent throws he ever made were deep balls. 25% of his completed passes during the record run were 20+ yards, he could chuck the ball, but wasn't accurate enough because then teams could cover deep and he couldn't hit the underneath and crossing routes at all!

But that was why he was successful, he either threw it deep, or the defense covered deep and gave him room to run... it worked. And I would say the defense was able to play the way they did because the team believed they were never out of it because of what Tebow did. I will admit Prater was unbelievable, but I am still surprised with some of the QB's who are in the league and starting and Tebow doesn't even get a sniff.

 
bestkeeper14 said:
Yes, but they were down 14-20 points and he put them in a position that 3 points won the game...
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And why were they down 14-20 points in the beginning? Because the offense did nothing for the most part which shorten the yardages that the defense got to defend. You can't go three and out every drive and expect the defense to hold the other team off from scoring when you started them off at the 40 or 50 yard line.
 
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Gross, more Tebow talk. Tebow sucks. You know it, we all know it. "willed the team to victory." really?

Anyways, here's a conan bit on Tebow which includes some of that good 'ol Tebow will

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E7A-z_Olo94

 
I've said the same thing. There are SO MANY bad QBs in the league...and I posted numbers in last year's thread, I think it was...of Tebow's career completion percentage and guys who still had jobs with a worse career percentage. The argument of whether Tebow is good enough to be a backup is debatable. But to me, there's nothing tangible about his numbers that would indicate he "just couldn't do it".

But I think what most people can agree on is the media attention he brings is unwanted. If he had just kept his mouth shut and played the game, he'd probably be riding the bench in Oakland or Houston or something. It's not exactly fair...but honestly, the media is incredibly obnoxious. I wouldn't want to deal with them while trying to gameplan either.

Also..how in the hell is that on NFL.com? lol...looks like one of their web designer is cranky as hell.

 
Romo and has been KO'd?

https://twitter.com/sportspickle/status/526921815680364544?s=09
 
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So 8-8 for the Cowboys again?

If Romo can pull off this game-winning drive, that'll be a huge part of his legacy after he's retired. I half expect him to throw a pick 6, but I'll be pretty pumped if he can do some magic here.

 
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I just thought of something while reading my daily "What's Wrong With The Titans?" email. With the discussion of why Michael Sam and Tim Tebow don't have jobs because they're fringe players who bring in too much media attention...why didn't Michael Oher get hit with this stigma? This is how bad Oher is playing this season:

T Michael Oher (four years, $20 million) — It's difficult to find any set of numbers that flatter Oher, who was the most expensive of the Titans' free-agent additions. Pro Football Focus, for instance, has him graded 69th out of the league's 72 tackles who've played at least 25 percent of their team's snaps. He grades out worst in the league at run-blocking, per PFF, which probably explains some of the reason the Titans are averaging just 2.75 yards per rush over right tackle — the third-worst figure in the league. As for pass protection, Oher has surrendered four sacks and 19 hurries, which again rank him near the bottom of the league among tackles. He has committed five penalties, which is tied for third-highest on the Titans.
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So, yeah...he's basically terrible and getting paid a lot of money. And he had a freaking movie made about his life. The only thing I can figure is that he doesn't really talk much, so most people have forgotten all the hype that was generated about him. But in terms of overhyped, media darling players, I think he definitely fits into the Tebow/Sam category.

 
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Plus, he is an offensive lineman, a position that doesn't lend itself to highlights. And he doesn't have a social issue people can rally around.

Believe you me, though, I her got plenty of pub in MD when he was a Raven. The only players to get as much attention during his stay here were Flacco, Ray Lewis, and Suggs.
 
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Plus, he is an offensive lineman, a position that doesn't lend itself to highlights. And he doesn't have a social issue people can rally around.

Believe you me, though, I her got plenty of pub in MD when he was a Raven. The only players to get as much attention during his stay here were Flacco, Ray Lewis, and Suggs.
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That's what I mean. I think either just by nature of his personality, or receiving some good advice (maybe Sandra Bullock told him, lol), he probably saved his career by keeping his mouth shut. If he would have bought into that "I'm special" bullshit that Hollywood/the media were trying to feed him, he'd probably be in the same boat as Tebow and Sam. He's obviously a marginal player as well. But somehow, he's been able to stay one step ahead of everybody figuring that out, and he's riding it all the way to the bank.

It's crazy how much money the Titans dumped into him and Andy Levitre though...and they're getting very, very little back. I still think it's funny that everybody was all gung ho about running Chris Johnson out of town (granted, he's not exactly lighting up NY). And now that he's gone, the running game still sucks (and is actually worse).

The Titans might think they're better off running between the tackles, but all it amounts to is just running straight ahead and hoping that your line gets a better push than their line. They don't have that home run threat in the backfield anymore, and everybody knows it.

 
Oher was pretty good his first few years but I'm shocked he got this contract cause he wasn't good at all his last year or two in Baltimore
 
So Tony Romo reportedly has two fractures in his back and is questionable for Sunday. Jerry Jones pulled kind of a dick move and set Romo up to look like a pussy:

Cowboys owner Jerry Jones said the biggest question facing Romo is whether he can tolerate the pain.
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