CAGcast #154: Rantastic!

[quote name='controlcommerce']Hello Cheapy D and Wombat,

I've been listening to the podcast since #1 but I've never talked in the show notes before. The reason I'm posting is not for praise. I'm sorry. But I'll to do a little trade off. I'll post a positive itunes review afterward.

I don't like negative shows. I listen to podcast for enjoyment. I stopped listening to many (1up, joystiq) because all they do is complain. I'm one of the nerds who listens to each show at least twice, but this weeks is close to unlistenable. Cheapy, I understand the $5 DLC is a ripoff. No one should disagree with you there (except Capcom), great move on. Please don't spent an hour and ten minutes talking about it. And then bring it back up during other unrelated segments. Wombat you need to moves things moving along and ask him to drop it when it gets excessive. He does that for you at the right time of your rants and it makes a better show.

Also I would like to call Wombat out as a flip-flipper. The last 2 shows he's taken a big fat shit on R5. Weeks before the game come out. You did the "I WANT TO WALK AND SHOOT!" rant twice. I been looking forward to your review because I knew you would put your foot in your mouth. But Cheapy D interrupted twice with his "fuck Capcom" speech, ruining the moment. As a day one CAGcast fan, you should redo that moment for me Wombat ;).[/quote]

Hey,a fellow Missourian...Oh wait,apparently only 1 of us should have a computer.Honestly Wombat give me a break with that remark.St.Louis has something around 3 million people and Kansas City,Missouri is up there as well.I know it just an off handed remark,but it still came off as you being pretentious.
 
[quote name='controlcommerce']HCheapy, I understand the $5 DLC is a ripoff. No one should disagree with you there (except Capcom), great move on. Please don't spent an hour and ten minutes talking about it. [/quote] It was 10 minutes of a 2hr show, lets not get carried away.
 
[quote name='NotJamesXBL']Awesome Show But I Could Come Up With A Better Title Like
" Get Your Twits Out"[/quote]
Ya I didn't like the segment title either I think something along the lines of "show me your twits/twitties" would sound better.
 
This was the first CAGcast I listened to and I'm not sure I'd want to listen to another... I'm happy for Cheapy that he gets laid on a regular basis, but I don't want to know! I mean it's just unnecessary, I have to go scrub my brain with a wire brush :bomb:
 
Haven't listened yet, but I love how on a previous show, Cheapy and Wombat say they'll wait to pick up a big release a few weeks later or until a price drop. Then in the episode preview of the following week, it'll have their impressions of last weeks' big release.

Just an observation, I'm pretty much the same way when it comes to a big release game that I really want to play once I hear how awesome it is :lol:
 
[quote name='Gunslinger5000']Cheep D sounds like a giant homo[/quote]
Gotta love the random useless posts, the stupidity of comments like these are why I generally avoid forums. Yes Cheapy isn't everyone's cup of tea, but at least come up with something less and ignorant pointless to say!
 
Cheapy or Wombat, you have to tell me where you get these awesome fucking mixes that you've had in the intro lately. If anyone knows the name or artist (sounded like Jay Z?) for this podcast's intro, let me know!
 
[quote name='dipic']Cheapy or Wombat, you have to tell me where you get these awesome fucking mixes that you've had in the intro lately. If anyone knows the name or artist (sounded like Jay Z?) for this podcast's intro, let me know![/quote]

I'm pretty sure it's Jay-Z "no hook"
 
hey Cheapy,

maybe someday you should incorporate "live call-ins" or a live-show? Time difference might be the only hassle but would sound like a sick idea.

wombat sucks at left4dead :(
 
In regards to the $5 DLC and game pricing in general:
The problem with DLC is that it's a global thing. While $5 on the East Coast in the US is a fair chunk of money, it's not so much on the West Coast. The cost of living differences are so extreme around the country that it's ridiculous. I feel like the people making the prices for games aren't in touch with this sort of thing and just slap an arbitrary price on everything. Most games turn out to be $60 at launch and unless it's a crappy game, people buy it regardless of price.

In my opinion, the general gaming population is pretty stupid. Most people seem to play games to escape the realities of work and the fact that life isn't all candy and rainbows. It's the same thing with politics, they can't see instant gratification when they vote so they don't. If enough people pay $5 for content then the company gets emboldened and they push the envelope on how much they can charge. Because there are so many people out there who'll pay stupid prices that aren't worth the value, I have to conclude that people are just generally ignorant and unable to gauge the value of what they're because they don't care if they're getting a good deal they just want to immerse themselves in their game.

Another example of people buying stupid crap that isn't worth it is collector's editions. I preordered resident evil 5 collector's edition and changed to the retail version after seeing what crap Capcom tried to fob off on us as "collectable". Is it me does it look like the action figure was made by someone who's never seen the game? Just look at how cool the japanese CE was:

http://kotaku.com/5099564/japanese-res-5-collectors-edition-will-be-better-than-ours

I want to know why Capcom doesn't wise up and just release the same collector's editions for Japan and America.

I'm tired of American collector's editions that aren't worth the price. Fable 2 CE was a giant shaft-fest, Street Fighter 4 CE was meh (I feel like SF4 was generally a failure) and I think the only CE that I've bought recently that I was happy with was Fallout 3.

Sometimes the best items you get with a game are preorder freebies. While Afro Samurai wasn't exactly worth 60 bucks, the cool figure I got with it was top quality.

What it all boils down to is this: Stupid people are paying stupid prices. Those of us who know this ridiculous crap is going on can either do nothing and wait for the price to drop or we can try to gang up and slap some sense into these greedy corporate tools who don't know their thumbstick from their joystick.
 
[quote name='jkanownik']Due to PS3 console sales being MUCH lower than expected (roughly half of initial projections) and development costs being higher than expected the $60 price isn't even covering the increased costs. Consumers aren't getting screwed right now (at least not next gen consumers).[/quote]
Then don't make the game for the system with the higher development cost and lower return. See Valve's platform decision with Left 4 Dead.
 
[quote name='SeanNOLA']Hey Cheapy & Wombat,

I thought I'd weigh in on the RE5 controversy:

I think the exclusion of this content from the game has little to do with Capcom's money-grubbing schemes and more to do with them attempting to control review scores. There may have been a fear that if the multiplayer modes were viewed negatively by the press, it would mean lower scores for the game overall. "Tacked-on" multiplayer modes seem to be a negative bullet point in a lot of reviews these days, so I think the decision to withhold the new multiplayer modes was a smart move from Capcom's Point of view.

That being said, charging for them, especially when the $60 hole in my wallet is still warm, is not necessarily a good idea either. If they had held onto the multiplayer modes and released them later to rejuvenate the audience, then I guess people would be okay with it. In fact, I think planning DLC ahead of time to add to a game's longevity is a smart maneuver, but releasing it right after launch and asking for more money seems to be a sore spot with gamers.

That was a little long-in-the-tooth, but to summarize I think that Capcom removing multiplayer and offering it separately was a smart move, but they should have either offered it for free or kept it up their sleeve for at least a few months.[/quote]
Interesting take, though it would make more sense if the multiplayer was made available for free as a separate DLC from the retail sku.
 
[quote name='banodyne']Then don't make the game for the system with the higher development cost and lower return. See Valve's platform decision with Left 4 Dead.[/quote]
I think Sony deserves to suffer for the PS3. If they hadn't tried to turn a gaming console into a force feeding of the bluray media it wouldn't carry such a huge pricetag. Not only that bug instead of taking the route Microsoft had where they attempted to make amends for horrible hardware engineering, they made console owners pay $150 to repair faulty hardware. I'm hoping that PS3 is enough of a failure that if they make a next generation console, it won't be plagued by the same sort of engineering crap that this generation has been. Do it right the first time, don't rush it out and screw over people who bought your products.
 
I've listened to the show, still great if you ask me!

I really enjoy Cheapy's and Wombat's remarks about their personal lives, to me that's one of the main reasons I enjoy the show. I also agree with their opinion that releasing a versus mode for $ 5,00 is pretty fishy, but hey... it's like Adam Smith or Karl Marx or somebody else said said something like "the value of something in capitalism is what someone is willing to pay for it". I don't like it, but if I'm Capcom, I do this, and enough people buy it, I'm pretty damn sure to keep doing it. Who cares if a couple of people complain?

To me, the way companies treat DLC will be just like the way Nintendo treats their "hardcore gamers": they'll go to where the money is at, and maybe throw a bone or two in their way.

EDIT: Almost forgot, I'm gonna tweet Jimmy Fallon (or whatever his name is, I don't even live in a place where I can know this guy) today!
 
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So Cheapy banged his head on the hotel dildo? Regarding the Indiana Jones discussion, Wombat almost got it right about the relationship with religion and the movies but misses the fact that the Mayans believed their gods were aliens, just as the Egyptians, Summerians and other ancient cultures. Except those alien gods didn't look like the hollywood grey alien and more like a bearded white guy ex Quetzalcoat (Mayan god). The fourth movie is much in line with the others regarding a religious theme but was heavily influenced by the upcoming Mayan Dec 21, 2012 prophecy. You see the Mayans understood how the universe worked when the rest of the world thought the planet was flat. They had advanced knowledge of the solar system and of lunar and solar eclipses. They knew about the Precession of the Equinoxes which science just recently confirmed. And they also predicted the 30,000 yr alignment coming up with the earth, sun, and galactic plane. So the Crystal Skulls is a religious movie, and the fact is that "any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable form magic" -Arthur C Clarke, especially to any "primitive" society. Btw You should Youtube Zecharia Sitchin and his research on Sumeria.
 
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[quote name='jkanownik']I PM'd you the company I work for and named the names of the games. Given that my username is actually my real name I'd rather not mention it publicly.[/quote]
LOL. You just did for anyone who has google on their computer.


Forecast Manager at Activision Blizzard
 
[quote name='TimDJ84']Hey,a fellow Missourian...Oh wait,apparently only 1 of us should have a computer.Honestly Wombat give me a break with that remark.St.Louis has something around 3 million people and Kansas City,Missouri is up there as well.I know it just an off handed remark,but it still came off as you being pretentious.[/QUOTE]

Yeah, I forgot to address that Missouri comment. But lets be honest, theirs really is only one computer and we do share it. I'm going to be on pornhub a few mins longer then you can have it.

[quote name='CheapyD']It was 10 minutes of a 2hr show, lets not get carried away.[/QUOTE]

It felt like an hour and 10 mins. You also kept bringing it back up. Like during Wombat's R5 review, which was a positive review. But the listeners couldn't tell because of the "fuck Capcom" comments you were making. Also this is the internet, a place known for over exaggerating ;).

[quote name='Wombat']for the record, that's Cheapy who complained about the controls, I have always said that I kinda like 'em. My complaints were that the demo seemed too actiony when compared with RE4. That I was happily wrong about. So maybe a half foot in mouth[/QUOTE]

I was just a little upset you judged the game by it's cover so harshly. But I'm glad your loving it.
 
People can defend Capcom all they want......the point here is that angering even 50% of your consumer base, because of how you put out your DLC is not good business.

Why would I buy a game for $60+ and then want to spend more money to "unlock" features or buy an add-on that should have been included in the game?

If Capcom keeps this up, they will alienate people until it hurts their sales.
 
Thanks for the discussion over GTA Chinatown wars. I saw the options about brightness and GPS and didn't try them. The GPS arrows on the top screen are awesome. I was completely enthralled with this game when i first heard about it and Rockstar has totally delivered. I never knew being a drug dealer could be such fun!!!!
 
here's an idea for the section of the cagbag formerly known as it came from twitter, how about 'take me to your tweeter'?
 
Re: RE5 dlc

I don't have too much of a problem with the dlc itself. I don't think any of my friends will buy it, so I won't either. Much like Wombat, I feel the game is worth $60 as is.

I am more concerned with the slippery slope we are on. This is the first example I can think of where a common online mode is being withheld so it can be charged for later. This is not the same as if a game with a very robust online feature set offered a new mode- this is a game with almost no multiplayer offering it for a price.

This specific piece of DLC is the most outrageous example of "what will they pay for?" since horse armor and EA's dlc cheat codes. If Capcom makes good money off of this, expect Bionic Commando, Lost Planet 2 and SF4 C.E. to follow similar models, and maybe test the waters further.

One final thought. There was a time when you bought a game console and it came with TWO CONTROLLERS (!), all the cables you needed to play and AT LEAST ONE GOOD GAME. I'm not going to try to convince anyone out there that we should go back to playing 2600 Space Invaders, but when you think about how all of those things are EXTRA now it kind of makes one wonder what else we will have to pay for in the future.

-ZJ
 
Waaaay off topic here, but I am just a little confused how Wombat references the fact that he is Jewish in pretty much every show, then kinda agrees with Cheapy that its a silly idea about a big magic man living in the sky during the Indiana Jones bit, then towards the end of the show says that he loves to eat bacon on his burgers?
 
[quote name='Nayson']Waaaay off topic here, but I am just a little confused how Wombat references the fact that he is Jewish in pretty much every show, then kinda agrees with Cheapy that its a silly idea about a big magic man living in the sky during the Indiana Jones bit, then towards the end of the show says that he loves to eat bacon on his burgers?[/quote]

"Judaism has a category for those who are Jewish but who do not practice or who do not accept the tenets of Judaism, whether or not they have converted to another religion. The traditional view regarding these individuals, known as Meshumadim (Hebrew: משומדים), is that they are Jewish"

Catholics are very similar, but unlike Jewish people you aren't Catholic at birth. Once you are baptized though, you are Catholic for life, whether or not you practice.
 
[quote name='Nayson']Waaaay off topic here, but I am just a little confused how Wombat references the fact that he is Jewish in pretty much every show, then kinda agrees with Cheapy that its a silly idea about a big magic man living in the sky during the Indiana Jones bit, then towards the end of the show says that he loves to eat bacon on his burgers?[/quote]


Actually I thought it sounded more like he pulled a Chief Wiggum when Cheapy mentioned The Big Magic Man and "just kind of trailed off". Whether he agreed or not I don't think he wanted to go on the record.

-ZJ
 
I agree with Wombat about 5 Guys Burger and Fries. They are good burgers for a "fast food"-type joint. The only thing I don't like is that the "sauteed mushrooms" are obviously canned mushrooms and not fresh.

Keeping on the food topic, I know Cheapy posted about eating pork katsu or had a video of it or something...anyway, that inspired me to order it the last time I was at my favorite sushi place and it was amazing. Pork + deep frying = crazy delicious.
 
[quote name='ArthurDigbySellers']I agree with Wombat about 5 Guys Burger and Fries. They are good burgers for a "fast food"-type joint. The only thing I don't like is that the "sauteed mushrooms" are obviously canned mushrooms and not fresh.
[/quote]

5 guys is good for about the first 3 times you eat it, after that diminishing returns hits it hard and fast (the sub-par fries, spicy or regular, really hurt return visits).
I do recommend the double add bacon and BBQ sauce.
 
I love how you guys always brag about how many comments you guys have in the cagcast discussion thread after you make contests that are entered by posting in the cagcast discussion thread. Well I guess I'll post without bribe this week but I'm not happy about it.
 
Regarding the whole console war & Wii phenomenon. The Wii has done something amazing to gaming. Personally I think it's great. More gamers buying games. Sure, not the games I want to play, but it's at least a start. The nice thing is that the kids in these households will grow up and become gamers. The ripple effect of the Wii will be felt for years down the road.

Regarding the actual consoles though, something that I think most "hard core" or even just "core" gamers don't think about is what's next for Nintendo? I personally think Nintendo is in a lot of trouble next generation. Its not going to be easy to convince everyone who bought the Wii to buy the "next gen" Nintendo. In fact it may be pretty damn impossible. They already have their Wii Sports toy, and convincing them to shell out $300 for the next toy... I highly doubt it's going to happen.

Microsoft and Sony will be in perfect situations to capitalize on this.

So let Nintendo keep selling their toy. Let them create an army of little gamers. I seriously doubt Nintendo will be able to keep them in 5+ years.
 
Wombat, as a native Floridian, I totally recommend refraining on taking Sabrina to Disney until about age 5. You'd just spend most of your time dragging her around, and she's too young to enjoy it. I hate to say it, but you'll have more fun without her, and she'll probably have more fun hanging out with her grandparents.

I totally nominate the guy from Capcom for Douchebag of the Year (sorry, Cheapy). They're totally milking us for DLC. I might get the SF4 outfits if it were $2-3 for all of the alternate costumes, but there's no chance at 4 sets at $5 each.

Oh, and maybe you should lay off of Fallon and just focus on getting Shipwreck on Dateline. :)
 
Great Show, maybe I missed something last show when Capcom came into the room and raped Cheapy because he was pissed all show.

I do agree about how bullshit this DLC for RE5 is but do you think we would have as big of a problem with it if RE5 cost $55 and the DLC cost $10 now it looks like your getting a deal and Capcom would still make out like bandits. I think the biggest problem is that it's so unmistakable stupid that they put the trophies for the multiplayer on there. If they had some time between launch and the DLC release it could have at least looked like they were working on it. Then avoided this controversy with a PR statement of "we demand a level of perfection form all Capcom products and we didn't want to delay the launch of our highly anticipated game."

I would like to see a point where you can buy a multiplayer component of Call of Duty without the single player because I haven't even beat the single player World at War but I play the multiplayer almost every night.
 
Honestly RE5 apparently has multiplayer infrastructure built into it so the budget for an additional multiplayer mode would be like what .... interns and hotpockets ?

Wombat hit the nail on the head when he said they should have just put it in the game and reserved the pay DLC for additional map packs.

With all seriousness capcoms obsessive need to burn both its new and existing fanbase with Pay unlockables and what can only be describes as blatant DLC crippleware have won it a place on my list of companies to avoid doing buisness with if at all possible.... right next to EA. The two things that keep pushing me away from games today are all the DRM and DLC, which is sad becasue atleast DLC has the potential to make a great game even greater but more often than not seems to translate into paying in full for a partial game.

Semi angry rant aside ..... I can't wait for Tribes to make a comeback it was hands down my favorite multiplayer FPS of all times seconded only by Teamfortress on Quake and replaced only by Tribes2. You should definitely have some CAG tribes nights!
 
Wow Wombat was on a roll, Adam Corolla Show,Resident Evil 5,ps3 price cut, I don't think I have ever heard an episode we're I have agreed with Wombat so much.Good show Sir, Good show!:applause:
 
Wombat, do yourself a favor and go to Islands of Adventure. The Spiderman ride is amazing, especially given it's over 10 years old I think.
 
Oh, please. CheapyD is obviously Arnold Vosloo from The Mummy movies.

Arnold.jpg
 
It takes balls for video game companies like Capcom to rip consumers off. And my I remind you that the costumer is always right! How did Resident Evil 4 become such a hit? Because we bought it! Why did Sony make an announcement about the rumor of another PS3 price drop? Because we created that rumor!

If it wasn't for us, video game companies simply wouldn't evolve like they have over the years. And since games are now 60 bucks and will probably increase in the next generations, you want games to be worth every penny.

Great Show!
 
Great show, you guys were on the spot for everything. I think Rainbow Six: Vegas 2 would be the shiznit for CAGcast game night.


[quote name='Gunslinger5000']Cheep D sounds like a giant homo[/quote]
YOUR a giant homo... douche bag...
 
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I actually thought the PR statement from that guy made sense UNTIL i listened to cheapy's points, and i realize its total BS.

Games are too expensive and maybe RE5 is worth it but why not provide even more value in the long run by just including it? So what if like 10,000 people buy it, its only 50,000 dollars compared to the huge loss of respect many have lost for capcom by charging for costumes on the sf4 disc and this content.

Valve on the other hand has huge respect and a great following because of their free content, Criterion as well even though theyre kind of abusing that respect now.
 
Feel free to tell me I'm off base here, but I always thought Cheapy kinda resembled Roland Gift from Fine Young Cannibals.

Great show as usual, guys! I made a similar comment on a news post that Cheapy had about how this nonsense with Capcom and RE5's DLC wouldn't be happening back in the old days when consoles such as the PS2 didn't have an exploitable marketplace and people gullible enough to buy into this idea that somehow it's not a big deal to be nickel and dimed by soulless corporate greed. I won't bother debating the issue with it's defenders, I will only say that I miss the days when the games we bought retained a certain tangible value rather than something that may or may not end up costing more in the long run. I think that if they charged the same $5 for these modes by simply including them on the disc and raising the price would eliminate that segmentation you two talked about with online play, and it would have also made this whole thing seem a lot less dishonest since you know what you are paying for and how much you are paying for it when you actually buy the game.
 
Great show as always guys.

"I can buy my own shit. I'm a PIMP. pim pim pim pim pim pim pim pim pimp!"

:lol:

The shows have been top notch lately, great intro songs, Wombat has been on top form and Cheapy has some crazy funny things to talk about.

On Capcom charging $5 extra for online versus I am in total agreement with Cheapy. Just think without us, the gamers there is no Resident Evil, Capcom or gaming industry. Keep on pissing us off pulling off unacceptable stunts like this we just won't buy your games, or just get them used; either way they won't make any money.
 
[quote name='jkanownik']Due to PS3 console sales being MUCH lower than expected (roughly half of initial projections) and development costs being higher than expected the $60 price isn't even covering the increased costs. Consumers aren't getting screwed right now (at least not next gen consumers). [/quote]

Get real. If PS3 isn't a viable platform for publishling games, then the blame for a poorly performing game lies squarely on the game companies for not being aware of their market. Perhaps the market is saturated with developers and publishers and what we're actually seeing here is a weeding out. The fact is that great games are making money, so if yours doesn't, you're probably doing something wrong. Games like Halo, Fable, Left 4 Dead, GTA, all show there's money to be made if you create a good experience for your customer (and part of that experience is price).

[quote name='jkanownik']
It's not like the publishers are making a ton of money. The big 3 US 3rd party publishers all lost money last year.

http://finance.yahoo.com/q/is?s=THQI&annual
http://finance.yahoo.com/q/is?s=ATVI&annual
http://finance.yahoo.com/q/is?s=ERTS&annual
[/quote]

The fact is the economy sucks right now and a lot of companies in every market are losing money. Video gaming is a luxury, not a necessity. When people are hurting for money, luxuries are the first thing to cut back on.


[quote name='jkanownik']
If you want to see the impact of lower prices all you have to do is look at the quality of games on the Wii. N'Gai Croal was correct when he suggested that gaming companies would be better off financially developing for the Wii and then porting to next gen consoles. Boycotting creative attempts of publishers to generate alternative revenue will only expedite that path.[/quote]

If you want to see the impact of lower prices, take a look at how Left 4 Dead sales increased 3000% when Valve dropped the price on steam. I think it's clear the video game industry is out of touch with reality and where prices should be. Capcom's DLC isn't a creative attempt to generate alternative revenue because all they have done is hold back game modes that, in this day and age, are considered STANDARD FEATURES. Boycotting those kinds of actions are a good way to tell the company that it's unacceptable.
 
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