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[quote name='dr0ppinL0adz']WTF??? what happened to our trade? That's a little fucked up of you. The last PM I got from you, you're asking if I cleared space yet. Not a single word of cancelling our trade. I've been getting XP for my backup WR's.. otherwise I would have passed to Stephen Hill A LOT more in the preseason.[/QUOTE]

sorry things did not work out, but i didn't hear back from you since last tuesday. i wanted my roster pretty much set for week 1 and so i had to go and work out another trade with someone else. if you would have responded, literally anytime since then, our trade could have been worked out.
 
[quote name='DVO21']spiller
age 25
contract 3 years remaining
signing bonus 15 million
2012- 3.93 million
2013- 4.21 million
2014- 4.59 million[/QUOTE]

What's his overall? Offhand I'd say that looks a little light.
 
like i said, i havnt heard from droppin since last tuesday. i didn't know what he was doing with his roster or if it was ever going to go through in it's current state because i have not heard back from him. i apalogize for looking at other trade offers, but i believe i was within my right to do so because my first trade was never actually accepted by the commish, which means it was never a valid trade. it's not like we got our trade approved and then i went and was like nevermind. our trade was declined, we don't even know if the commish would have validated it even with the changes.
 
[quote name='Hemingway012']like i said, i havnt heard from droppin since last tuesday. i didn't know what he was doing with his roster or if it was ever going to go through in it's current state because i have not heard back from him. i apalogize for looking at other trade offers, but i believe i was within my right to do so because my first trade was never actually accepted by the commish, which means it was never a valid trade. it's not like we got our trade approved and then i went and was like nevermind. our trade was declined, we don't even know if the commish would have validated it even with the changes.[/QUOTE]

you make it sound like I was avoiding you. BE REAL. We pm'ed each other last week, and the last thing you said on Wednesday was:
"yeh thats fine as long as the trade gets done before week 1!!!!"
Then YESTERDAY you pm'ed me asking if I cleared cap. I was busy yesterday, and I got back to you within 24 hours. It's fine you went a different route, but don't act like I was hard to contact.
 
[quote name='jza1218']What's his overall? Offhand I'd say that looks a little light.[/QUOTE]
an 80 overall my bad forgot to put that
 
[quote name='jza1218']I gotta say, that's pretty lame and a bit underhanded.[/QUOTE]

i honestly think its fair he has an 88 overall started and spiller is only an 80 overall i dont feel hes worth more than a 2nd and 3rd at all spiller fumbles alot he doesnt have a great carry and its going to take time to build him up to where i need him to be at.

unless ur talking about steggy trying to steal a trade which i think people need to realize u shouldnt be trying to steal trades on the forum if u were looking u should have asked u shouldnt be trying to steal once a trade has been posted
 
[quote name='DVO21']i honestly think its fair he has an 88 overall started and spiller is only an 80 overall i dont feel hes worth more than a 2nd and 3rd at all spiller fumbles alot he doesnt have a great carry and its going to take time to build him up to where i need him to be at.

unless ur talking about steggy trying to steal a trade which i think people need to realize u shouldnt be trying to steal trades on the forum if u were looking u should have asked u shouldnt be trying to steal once a trade has been posted[/QUOTE]

I was talking about the Pats trading Brady twice.
 
wuts people thoughts on the bengals bills trade input anyone

also i think its fine if a owner wants to try out deal and ask around the league and take what he thinks is right for him but leading people on is a no go in my book. also once a post has been posted people shouldnt try and steal from it its there to be judged not stolen now if the trade is denied i would say its free game but u cant deny people trades becuz u think u can steal it afterwards i think it would be a good idea to put together a trade committe like the offical league for judging trades
 
i think the Browns-Pats trade looks fair in my mind although i had my eye on haden and never got the chance to make an offer for him but o well i guess
 
HIM: did you clear cap?
ME: No, not yet. I sent it just to see if it would go through. I guess we can wait til we have the option to do some cuts this week to clear cap. Then ask the board again, but people seemed OK with the trade.
HIM: yeh thats fine as long as the trade gets done before week 1!!!!

Those are our last week's PM's. I had no idea that me not responding to his PM from yesterday would cause him to trade Brady to someone else. But it is what it is. I don't remember ever reading any rules against what he did, so it's a fair play by him. Still a dick move IMO though.
 
[quote name='Chetty12']Which makes him better than the real life one because everyone knows speed kills in Madden moreso than irl.[/QUOTE]


he may have speed but he also could end up fumbling alot with a 75 carry just becuz he has speed doesnt make him an automatic monster at all. hes still an 80 overall which means he isnt perfect
 
[quote name='Steggy']for that spiller trade... isnt spiller actually an 86 now?[/QUOTE]

He may be in the last roster update, but that was updated after our franchise was started.
 
[quote name='Chetty12']He may be in the last roster update, but that was updated after our franchise was started.[/QUOTE]

Ah gotcha. I really need to read more proficiently... some reason I thought they were living rosters.

If thats the case, spiller for 2&3 seems legit.
 
[quote name='DVO21']i honestly think its fair he has an 88 overall started and spiller is only an 80 overall i dont feel hes worth more than a 2nd and 3rd at all spiller fumbles alot he doesnt have a great carry and its going to take time to build him up to where i need him to be at.[/QUOTE]

spiller is an 80 overall, and fred jackson is an 88 overall. if he was actually the 86 that he's rated in the newest roster update I wouldn't do the deal. but a 2nd and a 3rd for an 80 overall HB seems fair. I'd like to think it wouldn't be that hard to replace him in the draft. also his carry is 79 which seems low to me. you say he fumbles a lot but he's only fumbled 4 times in 33 games (unless you consider that a lot).

and yea i think there should be a hold placed on players up for trade once it has been posted in the forum. lets say once a trade is posted on the forum, all players are off limits for a week.
 
Wow...damn, can't a guy play his week 4 preseason game without shit going crazy? lol. In my opinion, the problem with the Pats/Jets trade is it was proposed way too early. People hadn't even played a single game yet before you guys were trying to get rid of your best players.

I agree with DVO though. Once a trade is posted FOR REVIEW, there can be no "Ooh! I want that guy!" If people can't handle that, then we need to form a trade review committee similar to the one in the other league, but discuss trades exclusively through PM until they're approved (which is really more akin to how the NFL works. Other teams don't hear about trades until they're a done deal...and teams don't always know that they're bidding against each other).

I know we didn't have a problem like this last year, but I'm pretty sure the other league did. And if I remember right, the general ruling was: If the trade wasn't officially posted for review, you can back out if you want. HOWEVER, don't be shocked if it makes you look like a complete asshole and makes other teams not want to deal with you in the future.

If Hemingway wants to burn this bridge and rub a lot of people the wrong way, that's his choice. But don't be surprised if no one takes you seriously or even wants to talk to you after it. That's about as realistic as the situation can be handled. Yes, these things "happen"...but people are also judged for it.
 
As for the Spiller trade, yeah, I'm having the same problem many of you are...separating Madden Spiller from "current real life" Spiller (the same can be said for Chris Johnson...but thank God we started when we did, lol).

His ratings in this franchise roster are definitely not as good...and considering that, I do think the trade is reasonably fair. If DVO can build Madden Spiller into "current real life" Spiller will be the question. But that's going to take a decent amount of XP. As is, I don't have much of a problem with the trade.
 
[quote name='dr0ppinL0adz']wait, what? i'm cutting down my roster right now. I need to know if this is happening or not before i cut players[/QUOTE]

Seconded. Can we confirm trades are indeed happening before posting them to the thread?



On that note, DVO21 and I have agreed to a trade.

Bengals receive:
WR - Malcom Floyd

Cardinals receive:
LT - Andrew Whitworth


I'll update this post with age and contract and whatnot next time I'm on my 360.
 
[quote name='CAGLeagueSports']Wow...damn, can't a guy play his week 4 preseason game without shit going crazy? lol. In my opinion, the problem with the Pats/Jets trade is it was proposed way too early. People hadn't even played a single game yet before you guys were trying to get rid of your best players.

I agree with DVO though. Once a trade is posted FOR REVIEW, there can be no "Ooh! I want that guy!" If people can't handle that, then we need to form a trade review committee similar to the one in the other league, but discuss trades exclusively through PM until they're approved (which is really more akin to how the NFL works. Other teams don't hear about trades until they're a done deal...and teams don't always know that they're bidding against each other).

I know we didn't have a problem like this last year, but I'm pretty sure the other league did. And if I remember right, the general ruling was: If the trade wasn't officially posted for review, you can back out if you want. HOWEVER, don't be shocked if it makes you look like a complete asshole and makes other teams not want to deal with you in the future.

If Hemingway wants to burn this bridge and rub a lot of people the wrong way, that's his choice. But don't be surprised if no one takes you seriously or even wants to talk to you after it. That's about as realistic as the situation can be handled. Yes, these things "happen"...but people are also judged for it.[/QUOTE]


so is my trade allowed to go on?
 
I don't have a problem with the Spiller trade either.

And I agree with Nate, sure you could pull out, but it makes you look bad. Wonder if we should just use the trade committee idea anyway though.
 
[quote name='CAGLeagueSports']As for the Spiller trade, yeah, I'm having the same problem many of you are...separating Madden Spiller from "current real life" Spiller (the same can be said for Chris Johnson...but thank God we started when we did, lol).

His ratings in this franchise roster are definitely not as good...and considering that, I do think the trade is reasonably fair. If DVO can build Madden Spiller into "current real life" Spiller will be the question. But that's going to take a decent amount of XP. As is, I don't have much of a problem with the trade.[/QUOTE]

Just my two cents. It really won't take a lot of xp. The most expensive stats to raise, are Speed, Accel and Agil. In those stats he's already 95 plus. The rest of the stats are relatively cheap in comparison. He can most likely have his carry, currently 79, in the 90's in his first year. I believe Spiller in madden is worth more than what was offered but once again that's just my opinion.
 
i honestly like the offical league committe idea but i think we need the right people in it and i also think its needs to be an odd number for a tie breaker and if someone or 2 people are involved in the trade from the committe there vote is taken out and we bring in 1 or 2 people as need to make the votes
 
[quote name='jza1218']You need five in a committee with two alternates. Easy peasy as my kid would say.[/QUOTE]

This idea is excellent. This way also narrows the waiting down to just five people's view as opposed to the whole league in the thread arguing like happened with the Brevis fiasco.
 
[quote name='hammurabi1337']This idea is excellent. This way also narrows the waiting down to just five people's view as opposed to the whole league in the thread arguing like happened with the Brevis fiasco.[/QUOTE]

I see what you did there.
 
I'd be fine with a committee, but if we do it that way, I think we should go all the way and not discuss trades at all in the thread (other than posting a trade block...which can be done in the game...but there's no harm listing it here too for accessibility). Keep it to PM's, and only make announcements in here when trades are approved.

Damn...choosing a committee really makes me feel like a politician. Like I know that the best "cabinet" should include people who's views aren't always the same as my own...but man, this is tough, lol. I feel like there are two major factors: veteran status and activity level in the thread (well...in addition to the obvious, knowledge of the game and impartiality).
 
[quote name='CAGLeagueSports']I'd be fine with a committee, but if we do it that way, I think we should go all the way and not discuss trades at all in the thread (other than posting a trade block...which can be done in the game...but there's no harm listing it here too for accessibility). Keep it to PM's, and only make announcements in here when trades are approved.

Damn...choosing a committee really makes me feel like a politician. Like I know that the best "cabinet" should include people who's views aren't always the same as my own...but man, this is tough, lol. I feel like there are two major factors: veteran status and activity level in the thread (well...in addition to the obvious, knowledge of the game and impartiality).[/QUOTE]

Yeah I think trades should be secret until they are revealed. Unless we can get a real life Adam Schefter to break open a rumor.
 
Steggy

lol that hurts as i feel i was being slammed maybe not though but i got a chuckle out of it either way
 
TRADE AlERTS

[quote name='DVO21']Buffalo receives: 2013 2nd round pick, 2013 3rd round pick

Cincinatti receives: RB C.J. Spiller

spiller overall 80
age 25
contract 3 years remaining
signing bonus 15 million
2012- 3.93 million
2013- 4.21 million
2014- 4.59 million[/QUOTE]


Arizona sends WR Michael Floyd
Bengals sends LT Whitworth

Whitworth age 30 overall 90
remaining contract 4 years signing bonus 10 Million
2012- 3.44 Million
2013- 3.84 million
2014- 4.43 million
2015- 5.15 million

Michael Floyd age 22 overall 76
remaining contract 4 years signing bonus 4.80 million
2012- 2.04 million
2013- 2.29 million
2014- 2.62 million
2015- 3.05 million


bengals send WR Sanu and 5th round pick
jets send WR Stephen Hill

Sanu age 23 overall 73
remaining contract 4 years bonus 600K
2012- 510K
2013- 610K
2014- 750K
2015- 930K

Stephen Hill age 21 overall 73
remaining contract 4 years bonus 2 million
2012- 980K
2013- 1.13 million
2014- 1.32 million
2015- 1.57 million
 
[quote name='jza1218']Can I assume the Whitworth trade is about dumping salary?[/QUOTE]


not really i told him who i wanted he told me who he wanted and i have another left tackle that will fill the spot just fine but im thin at decent WRs so i need a good target so im fine with the trade plus he takes a little hit with age and i take a little hit with overall difference i think its even
 
Trade between the Patriots(Hemingway) and the Browns(fseacrest)

Browns Receive:

Tom Brady- QB-age 35- 93 ovr under current scheme, 3 years remaining- Total 53.74- 2012-14.21, 2013-17.58, 2014-21.95
Rob Ninkovich- DE-age28- 72 regular ovr, in 3-4 schemes his rating is low 80's. 2 years remaining- Total- 2 Million, 2012-1.87, 2013-2.13

Patriots Receive:
Joe Haden- CB-age 23- 91 ovr in my scheme, has great man to man which is what i look for. 3 years remaining- Total-27.65, 2012-7.67, 2013-9.07, 2014-10.91
Brandon Weeden- QB-age 28- 75 ovr in my scheme- 4 years remaining, Total-8 millions, 2012-1.65, 2013-1.84, 2014-2.09, 2015-2.42



The Patriots cap before the trade is 17.74 million and the Browns are 20.92 so we both have a lot of cap to make this trade work. He gets the franchise qb he wants, i get the man to man corner i like.
 
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Trade between Green Bay and Miami. This will have to be done in two separate trades because it involves four players/draft picks from each side.

Green Bay(Steggy) receives-

Mike Pouncey- 23 years old- C- 79 ovr- 2012- 2.17, Total remaining- 9.40 over 4 years
Reggie Bush- 27 years old- Rb- 87 ovr- 2012- 5.52, total remaing- 5.52 over 1 year
1st and 2nd round pick

Miami(chetty12) receives-

Greg Jennings- 29 years old- Wr- 92 ovr- 2012-8.26, total remaining- 8.26 over 1 year
Davon House- 23 years old- Cb- 73 ovr- 2012- 480k, total remaining- 2.2 over 3 years
Jeff Saturday- 37 years old- C- 86 ovr- 2012- 3.9, total remaining 7.8 over 2 years
James Starks- 26 years old- Rb- 74 ovr- 2012- 520k, total remaining 2.00 over 2 years.

All ovr are from my scheme. I get a number one receiver, an experienced C, a decent Man to Man nickel corner, and a replacement Rb. I get the higher overall players, which is why the draft picks are involved. I believe Steggy also did this trade to free up a little cap room, i believe he gains around 5 million.
 
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[quote name='Hemingway012']Trade between the Patriots(Hemingway) and the Browns(fseacrest)

Browns Receive:

Tom Brady- QB- 93 ovr under current scheme, 3 years remaining- Total 53.74- 2012-14.21, 2013-17.58, 2014-21.95
Rob Ninkovich- DE- 72 regular ovr, in 3-4 schemes his rating is low 80's. 2 years remaining- Total- 2 Million, 2012-1.87, 2013-2.13

Patriots Receive:
Joe Haden- CB- 91 ovr in my scheme, has great man to man which is what i look for. 3 years remaining- Total-27.65, 2012-7.67, 2013-9.07, 2014-10.91
Brandon Weeden- QB- 75 ovr in my scheme- 4 years remaining, Total-8 millions, 2012-1.65, 2013-1.84, 2014-2.09, 2015-2.42



The Patriots cap before the trade is 17.74 million and the Browns are 20.92 so we both have a lot of cap to make this trade work. He gets the franchise qb he wants, i get the man to man corner i like.[/QUOTE]

trade look fair i had my eye on haden so a little sad to see him go but the trade is fair in my eyes i cant beleive ur getting rid of brady but the trade looks fair and square
 
[quote name='Hemingway012']Trade between the Patriots(Hemingway) and the Browns(fseacrest)

Browns Receive:

Tom Brady- QB- 93 ovr under current scheme, 3 years remaining- Total 53.74- 2012-14.21, 2013-17.58, 2014-21.95
Rob Ninkovich- DE- 72 regular ovr, in 3-4 schemes his rating is low 80's. 2 years remaining- Total- 2 Million, 2012-1.87, 2013-2.13

Patriots Receive:
Joe Haden- CB- 91 ovr in my scheme, has great man to man which is what i look for. 3 years remaining- Total-27.65, 2012-7.67, 2013-9.07, 2014-10.91
Brandon Weeden- QB- 75 ovr in my scheme- 4 years remaining, Total-8 millions, 2012-1.65, 2013-1.84, 2014-2.09, 2015-2.42



The Patriots cap before the trade is 17.74 million and the Browns are 20.92 so we both have a lot of cap to make this trade work. He gets the franchise qb he wants, i get the man to man corner i like.[/QUOTE]

How old are the players?
 
100% why I did it.... Clay matthews will eat up a lot of cash after his contract is up this year. Inevitably I would not be allowed to sign jennings and I am simply cleaning shop now with this trade, as I am pretty sound at wr.

[quote name='Chetty12']Trade between Green Bay and Miami. This will have to be done in two separate trades because it involves four players/draft picks from each side.

Green Bay(Steggy) receives-

Mike Pouncey- C- 79 ovr- 2012- 2.17, Total remaining- 9.40 over 4 years
Reggie Bush- Rb- 87 ovr- 2012- 5.52, total remaing- 5.52 over 1 year
1st and 2nd round pick

Miami(chetty12) receives-

Greg Jennings- Wr- 92 ovr- 2012-8.26, total remaining- 8.26 over 1 year
Davon House- Cb- 73 ovr- 2012- 480k, total remaining- 2.2 over 3 years
Jeff Saturday- C- 86 ovr- 2012- 3.9, total remaining 7.8 over 2 years
James Starks- Rb- 74 ovr- 2012- 520k, total remaining 2.00 over 2 years.

All ovr are from my scheme. I get a number one receiver, an experienced C, a decent Man to Man nickel corner, and a replacement Rb. I get the higher overall players, which is why the draft picks are involved. I believe Steggy also did this trade to free up a little cap room, i believe he gains around 5 million.[/QUOTE]
 
[quote name='Chetty12']Trade between Green Bay and Miami. This will have to be done in two separate trades because it involves four players/draft picks from each side.

Green Bay(Steggy) receives-

Mike Pouncey- C- 79 ovr- 2012- 2.17, Total remaining- 9.40 over 4 years
Reggie Bush- Rb- 87 ovr- 2012- 5.52, total remaing- 5.52 over 1 year
1st and 2nd round pick

Miami(chetty12) receives-

Greg Jennings- Wr- 92 ovr- 2012-8.26, total remaining- 8.26 over 1 year
Davon House- Cb- 73 ovr- 2012- 480k, total remaining- 2.2 over 3 years
Jeff Saturday- C- 86 ovr- 2012- 3.9, total remaining 7.8 over 2 years
James Starks- Rb- 74 ovr- 2012- 520k, total remaining 2.00 over 2 years.

All ovr are from my scheme. I get a number one receiver, an experienced C, a decent Man to Man nickel corner, and a replacement Rb. I get the higher overall players, which is why the draft picks are involved. I believe Steggy also did this trade to free up a little cap room, i believe he gains around 5 million.[/QUOTE]


seems fair for the most part u get cap space he gets players u get picks and the ability to re sign mathews i dont see how its no0t fair ur both happy its pretty even u both win
 
[quote name='DVO21']Steggy

lol that hurts as i feel i was being slammed maybe not though but i got a chuckle out of it either way[/QUOTE]

No it was not a slam at all! I simply was reminiscent of my youth and a time where higher powers controlled what I loved dearly....
 
TRADE ANNOUNCEMENT:

NYG receive : 2013 4th round pick, 2014 7th round pick
BUF receive: QB Eli Manning, WR Victor Cruz, LB Lawrence Taylor
 
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