CAGLS: Madden 13 Gentlemen's League - We Finished! Thanks for Playing!

[quote name='DVO21']bengals fall to the steelers

bengals put up all points in the first quarter and after that was shut down on scoring. steelers defense was tough not giving much up for foster to help take over the game got a few good pass in though but other than that Swift played some incredible defense.

GG bro cant wait to play again im hoping i can write a better story for the bengals next time[/QUOTE]

That was no game we played tonight it was a freaking battle. I'd say that DVO's defense was equally effective completely stifling my offensive effort in the first half.. defensive backs making incredible plays on the ball and diving to tip passes away that seemed out of reach. I was lucky I didn't throw more than two picks as I made some very delayed reads / throws in that first half. My rushing attack was also ineffective. I believe Mendenhall's stats at the end of the first half were something like 9 rushing attempts for 10 yards.

Thankfully I was able to put together a drive in the second half and break a huge play that put me on top late in the second half. My defense came up big for me one last time and from there I was able to watch the time run out.

DVO, I can't say I am as optimistic as you for our next matchup as that alternate story seems entirely too plausible for my liking. ;)
 
[quote name='Swift900']That was no game we played tonight it was a freaking battle. I'd say that DVO's defense was equally effective completely stifling my offensive effort in the first half.. defensive backs making incredible plays on the ball and diving to tip passes away that seemed out of reach. I was lucky I didn't throw more than two picks as I made some very delayed reads / throws in that first half. My rushing attack was also ineffective. I believe Mendenhall's stats at the end of the first half were something like 9 rushing attempts for 10 yards.

Thankfully I was able to put together a drive in the second half and break a huge play that put me on top late in the second half. My defense came up big for me one last time and from there I was able to watch the time run out.

DVO, I can't say I am as optimistic as you for our next matchup as that alternate story seems entirely too plausible for my liking. ;)[/QUOTE]

I really wish my third down play was called in boundsit seemed like he got both feet in. And then fourth down he ran his route shorter than he was suppose to and came up short and ran out of bounds untouched. My last drive really hurt me like a big kick to the nuts. It was one of the best games ive played in this league so far. Although i didnt care much for the ending ;)
 
[quote name='Hemingway012']Trade

Pats would get:

DaAngelo Williams age 29, ovr 88, contract 4 years 2012 7.22M 2013 8.12M 2014 9.30M 2015 10.84M

Panthers would get:

Brandon Lloyd age 31, ovr 85 contract 3 years 2012 3.26M 2013 3.93M 2014 4,81M

4th and 7th rounder

willing to take away a pick or add a pick to even thing out if need be just let us know[/QUOTE]

TRADE REJECTED

The committee didn't really have a problem with this trade, but was concerned with the Pats taking on this big of a contract. Considering that, some felt one or even both of the picks wasn't necessary. I'm not sure if Hemingway's comment indicated that Carolina was willing to ACCEPT a pick being taken away...or just that New England didn't mind if either thing had to be done. Obviously, we need to know if Carolina would take less.

[quote name='Chetty12']Dolphins Receive-

Ray Rice- 95 ovr, 25 years old, 35 Million remaining over 5 years. 5.21M in 2012

Ravens Receive-

Lamar Miller, 21 years old, 2.6 million remaining over 4 years. 470k in 2012
1st round pick in 2013
3rd round pick in 2013
2nd round pick in 2014

If the committee feels i am giving up too much, draft pick wise, suggestions as to which ones to remove would be appreciated. And for those that arn't familiar with Lamar Miller, here are his attributes.

Lamar Miller- 21 years old
75 Overall
94 speed
93 agility
96 accel
81 elusive
77 spin move
86 juke move
82 ball carry vision
89 carry
64 catch[/QUOTE]

TRADE REJECTED

This is basically "The bvharris Blueprint" for a trade. While Lamar Miller seems to be a decent back to groom, Miami is giving up "the promise of tomorrow" and getting one of the best running backs in the game on a team that is already undefeated, with an owner who has proven himself to be a very good player (probably too good for this league). This is really a "rich get richer" trade.

The committee just really doesn't love the idea of trades revolving around that many draft picks. One point that was brought up is with the Dolphins already being 6-0, those picks are almost guaranteed to be near the very end of each round.

However, yet again, one committee member actually felt the Dolphins were giving up too much. I think the problem here is stemming from the trade involving so many draft picks and how people value them. But it just doesn't seem to be working for whatever reason.

[quote name='Blade3D']49ers receive:

Wes Welker AGE 31 OVR 87 1 year left (9.5M)

Patriots receive:

NaVorro Bowman AGE 24 OVR 87 2 year left (540k, 580k)

We are making this trade so the Patriots can have a top end LB, and the 49ers get the great slot receiver they want. I think this trade evens out in he is getting Bowman extremely cheap for 2 years.

Also, I have been putting what the player OVR shows to the team acquiring him. I hope this is what we are supposed to be doing.[/QUOTE]

TRADE APPROVED
 
Since Flyersfan is away until tomorrow, he gave me the okay to play the CPU and it was much closer than it needed to be. Jaguars ended up beating Oakland 13-10 in OT but I had several chances to win in regulation and just made stupid mistakes.
 
[quote name='WV Matsui']On the block

Ray Rice 96 OVR

Looking to put together a trade ASAP[/QUOTE]

Shoot me a PM. I'm interested. I got some pieces you might be interested in. I'm on my phone so can't send you a PM but I can respond
 
[quote name='jza1218']Just wondering, what is the rush on trading rice?[/QUOTE]

Trading is almost done for this season, week 8 is the last week.
 
[quote name='Blade3D']Trading is almost done for this season, week 8 is the last week.[/QUOTE]

That's not what I meant. I meant why the big hurry to trade Rice.
 
bengals trading block

Center - Faine overall 80
Right Tackle - Roland overall 82
and any 2014 draft pick
open to really trading almost anyone other than aj green andy dalton and foster

looking for an 84 or above WR or CB thats 84 and above
 
Also, Greg Little is available. 82 rated receiver in his second year in the league. Hit me up with a PM if interested in him or Brady. Both will most likely be gone before the deadline.
 
[quote name='jza1218']Nope, five. I just looked.[/QUOTE]


If 5 is the case that's fine I'm in the process of making a trade that will help me significantly.

Eh maybe I'm wrong he might have 5
 
[quote name='fsecreast']Just sent in a trade. Hopefully I sent it to the right person. Looks like a pretty fair deal, hopefully the committee doesn't have a problem.[/QUOTE]

:) and responds quickly since this is the last week!
 
[quote name='Chetty12']I don't object to the trade being rejected, but how can i have proven i'm too good for a league only 6 games in?[/QUOTE]

Because you have been smoking people in the official league (both you and your brother have). Anybody who proves to be a serious contender in that league has no reason to play here. I'm not trying to get rid of you guys, but think about it. If you're hanging in there with the top players on CAG, you don't need to be playing in a league for people who are trying to learn the game.
 
[quote name='fsecreast']Just sent in a trade. Hopefully I sent it to the right person. Looks like a pretty fair deal, hopefully the committee doesn't have a problem.[/QUOTE]

I got it and sent it on to the committee. But I'd prefer that everyone send trade proposals to the CAGLeagueSports account in the future. It's not a huge deal, but it helps me stay organized...which helps get your proposals forwarded to the committee more quickly. So, basically, it's a "help me, help you" situation, lol ;)
 
[quote name='n8rockerasu']I got it and sent it on to the committee. But I'd prefer that everyone send trade proposals to the CAGLeagueSports account in the future. It's not a huge deal, but it helps me stay organized...which helps get your proposals forwarded to the committee more quickly. So, basically, it's a "help me, help you" situation, lol ;)[/QUOTE]

Thanks man! :)
 
If the trade deadline is this week, does the same go for trading draft picks? If someone wants to trade up in the draft will that be possible?

For example my record sucks and I probly will have a high pick. Can I trade down for additional picks?
 
[quote name='Steggy']If the trade deadline is this week, does the same go for trading draft picks? If someone wants to trade up in the draft will that be possible?

For example my record sucks and I probly will have a high pick. Can I trade down for additional picks?[/QUOTE]



at the draft you will be able to do so.
 
[quote name='n8rockerasu']Because you have been smoking people in the official league (both you and your brother have). Anybody who proves to be a serious contender in that league has no reason to play here. I'm not trying to get rid of you guys, but think about it. If you're hanging in there with the top players on CAG, you don't need to be playing in a league for people who are trying to learn the game.[/QUOTE]

In the other league I'm 6-3. 2 of my wins have come against players that are in this league as well as the other. 1 blowout win against blade and a 19-17 win over Dvo. In my other 4 games l won, I have played 2 players with decent records and 2 with bad records. I hqvnt played well whatsoever against the better players I have played in that league, generating very little offense. In this league, out of my 6 games I've only played against a person in the top 15, in terms of win percantage, once. Even teams with bad records in this league, ive struggled to beat. I believe the raiders are 1-6, and i only beat them 24-21. And no offense to anyone I have played, but the meat of my schedule against the better players in this league is in the 2nd half of my schedule.

Edit: im not trying to start conflict about it or anything, I just thought it was a little soon to be making that claim. Honestly, if every game was a simple blowout for me, I'd have no interest in continuing to build a team and being in the league. Besides 2 games, all of my games have been contested and settled during the secondhalf of the game. Even my win against dvo, it was 7-7 before half and he threw a pick 6 then I returned the kickoff after half to make that game seem one sided. My only real blowout was against hammarabi. The one thing I've noted ced that I feel has seperated me from most people so far, is that I tend to play safer on offense and that people don't realize how easy it is to turn the ball over in this Madden. I feel like once people learn that, they'd be a lot better off.
 
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[quote name='n8rockerasu']Because you have been smoking people in the official league (both you and your brother have). Anybody who proves to be a serious contender in that league has no reason to play here. I'm not trying to get rid of you guys, but think about it. If you're hanging in there with the top players on CAG, you don't need to be playing in a league for people who are trying to learn the game.[/QUOTE]



just pointing this out im 3-2 in the other league and i just got blown out in my last game.
 
Don't get mad but.... I feel if you have a record better than .500 in the other league then you shouldn't be in this league. This league is supposed to be fun and for learning. If you are over .500 in the other league then you are not learning at the same level as some of us other folks and hence are not making it as fun...

Just my .02
 
well i below .500 in both leagues sounds like im in. at one point my record was higher in the other league than over here even
 
[quote name='WV Matsui']Don't get mad but.... I feel if you have a record better than .500 in the other league then you shouldn't be in this league. This league is supposed to be fun and for learning. If you are over .500 in the other league then you are not learning at the same level as some of us other folks and hence are not making it as fun...

Just my .02[/QUOTE]

But then your making the assumption that everyone in the other league is great. Sure they have normal 10-12 great players but like my situation, I have a losing record against players with a good record over there. I have 13 td passes to 20 interceptions. They make my pass offense look silly. Sure I may be ahead of where you are currently at, but its not like I'm dominating or am going to be dominant in this league just because I can be over. 500 in the other league. If I was winning 60-0 every game, being a douche about it, and not trying to help people, then I'd understand kicking me.
 
But you are dominating in this league at 6-0

Not trying to pick a fight I really like you man and its not up for me to decide I was just giving my .02.
 
[quote name='WV Matsui']But you are dominating in this league at 6-0

Not trying to pick a fight I really like you man and its not up for me to decide I was just giving my .02.[/QUOTE]

Mine as well give me the Superbowl. I'm 6-0. I've only played one player in the top 15 in win percantage. You think that may have something to do with the 6-0 record? Of course not. Just pointing out its a little early to say I'm dominating.
 
[quote name='Chetty12']Mine as well give me the Superbowl. I'm 6-0. I've only played one player in the top 15 in win percantage. You think that may have something to do with the 6-0 record? Of course not. Just pointing out its a little early to say I'm dominating.[/QUOTE]

You're also perfect with the dolphins. Not exactly a power house.
 
[quote name='Chetty12']Mine as well give me the Superbowl. I'm 6-0. I've only played one player in the top 15 in win percantage. You think that may have something to do with the 6-0 record? Of course not. Just pointing out its a little early to say I'm dominating.[/QUOTE]

Sorry I upset you man really not trying to be an ass honestly.
 
[quote name='WV Matsui']But you are dominating in this league at 6-0

Not trying to pick a fight I really like you man and its not up for me to decide I was just giving my .02.[/QUOTE]

But you also have to see where I'm coming from. I've been active in this league and I feel I put in the time to get better. I understand that I may be ahead of the curve. But I still feel I have a lot to improve at to be able to compete with the other players in the other league. So I've been in both league's trying to be as active as possible and then someone new joins week 8, halfway through the season saying that people who are doing well should be kicked. You don't see where someone might be a little defensive, especially considering all the time I've put in? If N8 approached me during the offseason and thought the league would be better without me in it, I'd understand but to start this discussion in the middle of the season, its just what is making me so defensive about this.
 
[quote name='Chetty12']In the other league I'm 6-3. 2 of my wins have come against players that are in this league as well as the other. 1 blowout win against blade and a 19-17 win over Dvo. In my other 4 games l won, I have played 2 players with decent records and 2 with bad records. I hqvnt played well whatsoever against the better players I have played in that league, generating very little offense. In this league, out of my 6 games I've only played against a person in the top 15, in terms of win percantage, once. Even teams with bad records in this league, ive struggled to beat. I believe the raiders are 1-6, and i only beat them 24-21. And no offense to anyone I have played, but the meat of my schedule against the better players in this league is in the 2nd half of my schedule.

Edit: im not trying to start conflict about it or anything, I just thought it was a little soon to be making that claim. Honestly, if every game was a simple blowout for me, I'd have no interest in continuing to build a team and being in the league. Besides 2 games, all of my games have been contested and settled during the secondhalf of the game. Even my win against dvo, it was 7-7 before half and he threw a pick 6 then I returned the kickoff after half to make that game seem one sided. My only real blowout was against hammarabi. The one thing I've noted ced that I feel has seperated me from most people so far, is that I tend to play safer on offense and that people don't realize how easy it is to turn the ball over in this Madden. I feel like once people learn that, they'd be a lot better off.[/QUOTE]

[quote name='Hemingway012']just pointing this out im 3-2 in the other league and i just got blown out in my last game.[/QUOTE]

[quote name='WV Matsui']Don't get mad but.... I feel if you have a record better than .500 in the other league then you shouldn't be in this league. This league is supposed to be fun and for learning. If you are over .500 in the other league then you are not learning at the same level as some of us other folks and hence are not making it as fun...

Just my .02[/QUOTE]

All these things will be taken into consideration, and no decisions are being made right now. It's just something I'm constantly monitoring, because if we have several people here winning most of their games by blowout, it's going to make the people they're blowing out want to quit. Now, don't get me wrong, I expect those people to be practicing and improving as well, but nobody should just be blowing through the competition here. But that's why we do need a larger sample size.

I just know that when I played Hemingway, he handled me pretty easily. I'm not saying I'm a great player, but even if I'm middle of the road, that means half the people in here don't stand a chance against him. Maybe it's because he has the Pats? I don't know. But I've raised the question before...if you're that good at the game and you still take one of the best teams, you're not really looking for a challenge. You're looking to dominate. Chetty at least taking Miami does speak to trying to keep things on a more even playing field. But again...he's still 6-0. Not condemning anybody here at all. Just making observations for a possible situation down the road. Also, I don't want it to sound like I'm harping on the two new brothers. There are even a few returning members I've been keeping an eye on as I suspect they could be pushing the envelope of "needing" to play here.

I just take special notice when you're doing fairly well in the other league. I honestly think that league has gotten even more competitive this year than it was last year (as evidenced by the struggles of ubernes, bvharris, staticz, and other members who used to routinely make the playoffs). At first glance, I think the over .500 standard is a bit harsh. But we'll see where things stand at the end of the season. I assure you, no one is going to be forced out if they're facing even competition.

As I said, this is just a policy to guard against blowouts and discouraging people who need the practice the most from continuing with the league. If you're a playoff team in the other league...you're close enough to the top that you can do a little brushing up on your own to reach the next level. As I've mentioned before, no one needs to be a divisional round loser over there and a Super Bowl winner over here. I agree, it's too early to be packing anybody's bags just yet. I just don't want anybody to be unaware of the policy. We did the same thing last year, sort of "graduating" members who proved that they could handle themselves just fine in the other league. It's nothing personal. We just need to preserve the integrity of this league so it doesn't just become "an easier place to dominate".
 
[quote name='n8rockerasu']as evidenced by the struggles of ubernes, bvharris[/QUOTE]

Hey, I'm 6-4! Don't lump me in with that loser! :lol:
 
[quote name='bvharris']Hey, I'm 6-4! Don't lump me in with that loser! :lol:[/QUOTE]

Yeah, but usually by this point, you'd have already clinched the division. Hmm...maybe the Pats are just an all star team? ;)
 
[quote name='n8rockerasu']Yeah, but usually by this point, you'd have already clinched the division. Hmm...maybe the Pats are just an all star team? ;)[/QUOTE]

If anybody ever said the Pats doesn't give you an advantage, it definitely wasn't me. I couldn't agree more, the only comparable Madden team in my eyes is the Packers. I also agree with your premise that the best players shouldn't always go for the best teams. Although for me, at least I'm actually a Pats fan. Still, I stayed true to my word and gave them up this year. The Broncos are pretty good (and pretty young, which is nice) but the Pats they ain't.
 
i really hope i can get this bengals team figured out. i know my team goal is 8-8 but i was hoping to make a playoff run by adding foster but even with him this offense seems so far off from a good run yet need to figure something out fast
 
[quote name='fsecreast']Browns trade:

QB Tom Brady
AGE: 35
OVR: 93
Contract: 3 years left
Year1: 6.63 Mill
Year 2: 8.63 Mill
Year 3: 11.21 Mill

RB Trent Richardson
AGE: 21
OVR: 84
Contract: 4 years left
Year1:3.76
Year 2: 4.49
Year3: 5.45
Year4:6.70

Browns 2nd round pick

Ravens Trade:

QB Joe Flacco
Age: 27
OVR: 86
Contract: 7 years left
year 1:2.11
year 2: 6.76
Year3: 7.89
Year 4: 9.35
Year 5: 11.26
Year 6: 13.74
Year 7: 17

RB Ray Rice
Age: 25
OVR: 95
Contract: 5 years remaining
Year 1: 5.21
Year 2: 5.88
Year 3: 6.74
Year 4: 7.86
Year 5: 9.31

Baltimore's 3rd round pick

Browns agree to this trade.[/QUOTE]

TRADE REJECTED

We've got a few things going on with this trade. For one, the committee isn't sure why Baltimore would want to do it. Initially, the "Trade Rice" mentality stemmed from a belief that he was in the final year of his deal...had been offered a new contract and rejected it, thus making him a free agent at the end of the season. Since then, it's been discovered that he's got 5 years left on his deal (maybe he actually accepted the offer?)

So, for this deal, that leaves us trading one of the premier backs in the game for a rookie, and a very solid QB (87 OVR) for an aging Tom Brady. The committee really didn't feel this was balanced enough to begin with, but we definitely need to hear Baltimore's rationale behind the trade.

Also, I have to say, there is concern over Matsui's history. A couple people pointed out that the last two leagues he's been in, he hasn't lasted long. He started the NCAA 13 Dynasty, and had to bail on it. Then with the other Madden league, he took Pittsburgh, made some big trades and then left that team. I'm not saying I don't understand his reasoning behind it (nobody likes losing big).

But what rings out in my head is the post he made about "dropping down to the CFL for a little while, but being back soon". As bvharris mentioned, nobody wants anyone hopping back and forth. This isn't a warm up league for the official league. We may function on a lower skill level, but the people here are just as committed. Now, we're definitely happy to have you here. You just need to decide which league is "your league" and stick to it.
 
Guess I'm stuck with these guys then.

Kinda hurt by the response but whatever.

I can commit to this league but know that other things take precedent and the time spent playing I would like for them to be enjoyable.

Things like work, wife, daughter, life obligations will always come before games and no offense but if you think it should be different then that's something I can't comprehend. And I handed over the NCAA league when work and life got in the way of running it.

Thanks for the acceptance into the league. A simple trade rejected would have been nice rather than the extra shit about me. If you had "concern" then maybe you shouldn't have accepted me. I am totally miffed by this. Really?
 
Is it possible that I could be added to the waiting list? I find myself having a bit more time now. Of course I am in the other league too, so if someone comes along who is a new member I'd rather them have a spot.
 
[quote name='WV Matsui']Guess I'm stuck with these guys then.

Kinda hurt by the response but whatever.

I can commit to this league but know that other things take precedent and the time spent playing I would like for them to be enjoyable.

Things like work, wife, daughter, life obligations will always come before games and no offense but if you think it should be different then that's something I can't comprehend. And I handed over the NCAA league when work and life got in the way of running it.

Thanks for the acceptance into the league. A simple trade rejected would have been nice rather than the extra shit about me. If you had "concern" then maybe you shouldn't have accepted me. I am totally miffed by this. Really?[/QUOTE]

Geez...I catch hell for not giving enough info on trade rejections, I catch hell for giving too much info on trade rejections. All I was doing was relaying the concerns that the COMMITTEE had. None of these issues were raised by me.

The only correlation I drew, based on the concerns expressed, was due to this comment:

[quote name='WV Matsui']Due to a horribly disappointing season and only time for one league Carl Winslow informed the Rooney family today that he will be putting in his resignation effective today.
He is moving down to coach in the CFL (Gents League) for a few season to work on his skills. He hopes to return again soon.
Winslow was 2-8 in his first year in the CAG League.[/QUOTE]

Instead of just saying "Guys, this league is too rough for me. I'm going to go try my luck in the other league.", you made it sound kind of temporary. Is it terribly surprising that anybody would question your committment after reading a statement like that?

I don't understand how this became a discussion of free time. That was never called into question. But if we're going there, I have a wife, a daughter, life obligations, and run two CAG leagues. But I'm not going to brow beat people with it because this is a hobby and it's something I enjoy doing. If it wasn't, I wouldn't be here. That basically applies to everyone here.

Regardless of ALL these things (and the TRADE COMMITTEE needs to read this part), I'm not calling you out, man. Instead of a straight rejection of the trade, these are responses I got from other members of the league. But I'm not quite as concerned about it because as I've told people before, any member could drop at any moment...after making any trade.

Trying to pre-emptively restrict trades and predict what's going to happen in the future will never work and really isn't fair. It's going to make people paranoid and judgmental. There is a likelihood that the league and other teams will get screwed from time to time, but there's no other way to handle it and run a successful league. You just have to trust that people are going to do what they say they're going to do, and move on when they don't.

I'm already not thrilled with the idea of presenting trades proposals to committee members that involve players that they have tried to trade for, as I feel like that leads to biased opinions and resentment. NONE of this is easy...but juggling it is what running a league actually is. I've got 31 other personalities to balance here. My opinion isn't always going to be popular, as long as I feel like I'm being fair to everyone involved, that's all that matters.
 
And this why I don't like the idea of a strict committee. An otherwise fair trade being dissected because of a whole bunch of other issues. Oh well, I'll have to learn to deal with it.

Go Browns!
 
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