Capcom says Wii is a Kiddie console

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[quote name=' Capcom']We have more titles coming to Wii than what's been announced HOWEVER, I must admit, many of them (outside of RE which has a long and successful history on Nintendo platforms) are not mature titles (edit: and by that I mean M rated titles) despite the fact that's an area Capcom is known for.

By and large, I don't see the Wii being home to a sizeable mature playerbase outside of some of the early adopters. I see it as being very, very broad with a family focus. If there is a "core player base" on Wii (and it's might be so broad, there might be no such thing as "core"), within two years, it will probably be largely a younger player (or at least younger than 360 or PS3).[/QUOTE]

I guess Manhunt 2 doesn't count.

http://www.capcom.com/BBS/showthread.php?p=206735#post206735
 
Yeah, well, Capcom also put out VJ:RHR, VJ: DS, nearly made Dead Rising suck by squeezing the excellent zombie-slaying gameplay with a ridiculous time limit and tedious survivor-saving, created Lost Planet's complete lack of interesting gameplay between boss battles...

fuck 'em. Besides, I have sworn that the next Capcom game I shall buy is AA3, and not a single game beforehand.

Which is to say, VJ1 was an accident. And I'm betting that RE4 was one as well. :p
 
I think the Wii is a huge step forward for Nintendo, but honestly, Nintendo keeps asking for the "kiddie" critique. It's all about image, and the name, size, color, and design of the consoles (beginning with the small purple box), the low price point, and the marketing associated with the console have all amalgamated into an image that doesn't appeal to the mainstream demographic. Now the whole trend continues with the tiny, cheap, power-lacking Wii with marketing aimed at everyone but the 20-year-old male. If Nintendo had called the Wii something edgier, made it black or silver, made it more powerful, and marketed it towards the stereotypical gaming community, they wouldn't be hearing this. That being said, the Wii probably would have failed disastrously at the same time. Go figure.

With the success of the Wii launch, developers are gradually getting over the Cube and warming up to the Wii. Give it some time and they'll all come around.
 
This is half true and half "we're pissed we didn't have a game for launch and thus missed out on sales but we'll try to pretend you still have a 6 inch erect penis" speak.

Oh yes. That kind of speak.
 
The funny thing is that "mature" games are never targeted at a mature demographic. Quite the opposite. E and Teen games are just generally covering a broad demographic; for some reason they get painted as catering specifically to the people on the young end of the E rating. The general consensus seems to be that if kids can play the vast majority of games, it's bad. Okay.
 
[quote name='botticus']The funny thing is that "mature" games are never targeted at a mature demographic. Quite the opposite. E and Teen games are just generally covering a broad demographic; for some reason they get painted as catering specifically to the people on the young end of the E rating. The general consensus seems to be that if kids can play the vast majority of games, it's bad. Okay.[/quote]

QFT

Well said. Very well said. It's pretty ridiculous.
 
I actually would tend to agree with Capcom's statement on this one. By no means do I not enjoy the Wii; I think it's a great system. But I'd agree that the marketing of the system has been and will continue to be as a family friendly and unique experience, which may sway the mature casual gamer towards MS and Sony.
 
I've said it before. fuck capcom. They used to put out good games but now they blow. Keep your mega man, and Street fighters.

And pls realise that I don't like RE, DMC = Sony only, and Dead Rising = 360 only.
 
[quote name='botticus']The funny thing is that "mature" games are never targeted at a mature demographic. Quite the opposite. E and Teen games are just generally covering a broad demographic; for some reason they get painted as catering specifically to the people on the young end of the E rating. The general consensus seems to be that if kids can play the vast majority of games, it's bad. Okay.[/QUOTE]

No kidding (no pun intended, seriously!). I have YET to play an 'M' rated game. Yeah, that's right. And while I play plenty of games with my kids, I do play many on my own as well. I have a few M rated games, but have yet to see the appeal in playing them. Just having a bunch of 'M' games on your console doesn't make it great - I think a large portion of the PS2 ones sucked :lol:. Sure, of course, there are some (supposedly) good ones.

Personally it seems to me only kids want to play zombie-slaying games and the like, so I guess that makes those "kiddie" games as much as anything else :rofl:. (And I don't mean elementary school kids, but teenage-type kids - they aren't that damn different you know ;)).
 
Capcom are a bunch a fucking idiots. About 89% of the damn M games on the last generation was a sequel or a clone of another game. So what if the Wii doesn't have M games, it could be a good thing because I for one do not want to see 50 cent bulletproof come out for the Wii.
 
Im gonna guess that capcom backed ps3 and 360 from the beginning thinking the wii would be another virtual boy. So now they are pissed to see how well it is selling. But even if that isnt the case, fuck them. They are the ones failing to realize the oppurtunities for developing on the wii.
 
First and foremost, Mature has little to do with being rated M.

Second, look at the highest selling games on the Wii, they are all rated T, which is to say that they aren't for everyone.

Lastly, I think the machine is targeted for the whole family, so of course we are going to see the whole gambit, AND that does mean less M rated games. Again, what are gamers really going to miss out on? Look at most of the better selling games the past 6 years, and you'll see that most of them are rated Teen.

Check out IGN's article:
http://wii.ign.com/articles/762/762567p1.html

Particularly this quote:
"Still, it isn't fair to tack up the overall success of T titles on Wii to only Zelda and Red Steel. T ratings are destroying the competition, with five out of the eight games selling into the six-digit range (those titles include Zelda, Red Steel, Marvel: Ultimate Alliance, Call of Duty 3, and Trauma Center in order from most to least). The surprise, however, is that the E and E 10+ categories, which make up 22 of the 34 Wii games thus far, still don't add up to the amount of sales within those core eight teen-rated games. Throw in the two M titles (Far Cry and Splinter Cell), and the gap is closed only a bit more, still unable to surpass eight core Wii games."


We should also post the Capcom guy's follow up:

http://www.capcom.com/BBS/showpost.php?p=207444&postcount=19

the thread was actually pretty decent until the one-brain celled posters decided to not actually read and comprehend the guy's responses. Same goes for the OP here. Christian Svennson, Capcom Strategic Director, said that the Wii core base, if it even has one, will skew younger than the 360 or PS3. You can look at that any number of ways, but you could easily say that the 360 and PS3 skew to 25-35 year olds, and that the Wii will skew 18 to 25 and he is factually correct.

What he actually says is that the Wii will have an exceptionally broad base, and that Capcom will support that from top to bottom. He also makes some statements that support the IGN article and what I say above. Definitely do yourself a favor and read the thread.
 
First off, this means that Capcom's management is adverse, not the developers or directors - a recent interview with Kenji Inafune pointed out that Capcom's management was extremely adverse to producing Lost Planet and Dead Rising, two of their biggest recent hits.

What's somewhat amusing is that there was, for a short time, this "childish-vs.-mature" argument in promoting the PSP against the DS, where the latter was the console for mature adults and seasoned gamers and the latter was for your 5 year old. Now, a few years later, I almost never hear this argument applied to the handhelds. The gaming community really needs to grow out of this immature bullshit.
 
Why are people getting defensive about this? Nintendo's systems have been labeled kiddie for years, isn't everyone used to this by now?

And I'm not sure why you're saying fuck Capcom, when their little RE title is going to be moving a few Wiis.

Edit: Nevermind the fact that this is the company that announced the Capcom 5, that was at least briefly exclusive to the Cube.
 
By and large, I don't see the Wii being home to a sizeable mature playerbase outside of some of the early adopters. I see it as being very, very broad with a family focus. If there is a "core player base" on Wii (and it's might be so broad, there might be no such thing as "core"), within two years, it will probably be largely a younger player (or at least younger than 360 or PS3).
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How could any sane person not agree with this statement?

This thread was over before it started.
 
The wii's aim is EVERYONE, and the majority of EVERYONE doesnt want Dead Rising. They want good clean fun. He is right.
 
I've always bought at least one Capcom game a year. On the basis of Power Stone 2 and RE4, I'm willing to cut them a ton of slack. Factor in the other classics or decent games they've cooked up and there's really no reason to take offense to some BBS post by a 'senior director etc.' I have a feeling Capcom decisions regarding the Wii don't begin or end with Sven of the Capcom BBS.

It's been said a million times, but the DS is a great example of the fact that publishers/developers need to bite their tongues when talking long-term. I'm not buying into any early assessments of the Wii's long-term prospects after seeing how the DS sprung out after that first year.
 
[quote name='Ikohn4ever']meh I dont listen to anything the American side of a Japanese company says anyway[/QUOTE]

Exactly.

Capcom USA is trash compared to Capcom of Japan.
 
[quote name='help1']The wii's aim is EVERYONE, and the majority of EVERYONE doesnt want Dead Rising. They want good clean fun. He is right.[/quote]

The majority of everyone wants good games, whatever rating they are.

RE4 proves that people will support an M game on a so-called kiddie console if the game is good.
 
How many of you look to a game's rating when looking for a purchase?

A good game is a good game. "Mature" content means nothing. Quality talks, image is bullshit. The blue ocean consumers that Nintendo is capturing in droves understand this. Let Sony and Microsoft take the image obsessed "Mature" gamers.

I think Sony's much more guilty of this than MS. Viva Pinata is one example of a game that the 360 userbase has embraced much more than the Sony one ever could.

Unforunately, this lowest common denominator approach usually is profitable. I bet anything the new Def Jam outsells VF5 by a mile, despite the lack of quality in that title. If anything, developers should be yawning by now at this mature=good approach. We saw too much of the gritty urban shooter/brawler last generation, and I hope that trend NEVER comes back.
 
Well I guess if you say it's kiddie and therefore don't develop mature-rated titles for the system then it won't have mature-rated titles and it'll be kiddie.

Talk about a self-fulfilling prophecy.
 
"mature" does not equal M-rating. In fact, I'd go so far as to say that most M-rated games aren't mature.

In any case, I think most good games coming out in a year aren't M-rated, but are probably T or maybe even E. So whatever. If Capcom really believes that the only demographic worth producing games for is that "mature" bracket then their loss.

As for the kiddie image, I'm completely fine with Nintendo being a "kiddie" game maker. I love Nintendo precisely because they've never tried to create sells by being cool. They understand that if you make great, fun, accessible games then it doesn't matter because that's what people want. I hope Nintendo stays (true to their image) forever. They're the only console manufacturer I give a shit about, honestly.
 
[quote name='ahmedmalik']RE4 barely did any kind of great numbers on the Cube.[/quote]
However, those numbers werent significantly different on the PS2 as I recall - A system with over 5 times the marketshare.
 
[quote name='Dr Mario Kart']However, those numbers werent significantly different on the PS2 as I recall - A system with over 5 times the marketshare.[/quote]
Would it have been the same thing if the game had been released first on the PS2? A lot of people went to the stores thinking the game had come out for the PS2 when really it was only for the cube so a few people just kind of skipped it overall.

I think that by this time next year Capcom will be on board because I don't see any signs of the Wii train stopping soon.
 
Nintendo has pretty much said the Wii is targeting families (less hardcore gamers). That's fine with me... I would like most of the horror and first person shooter games to come out on systems with more power to support a more detailed and immersive world. Gets the adrenaline pumping...
 
See nothing wrong with it. The Wii is clearly more of a family machine and will definitely have a much younger (avg age) user base than the 360 or PS3.

Thus it really doesn't make sense to make exclusive M rated games for the Wii instead of the 360 (or PS3 if its user base gets big enough) as you will have more 17+ gamers to sell the games to on the other machines.

That doesn't mean M rated games won't sell, they will, but it doesn't make much business sense to make an exclusive M-rated game for the Wii versus the competition.
 
There is an imaginary point though, where if M rated games are so uncommon on a console, that you benefit by being basically the only one there, rather than competing with all the other M rated guns elsewhere
 
Yeah, but along with all these families there are lots of older people too such as the parents themselves (and what about the much older people Nintendo is targetting?). So, really, shouldn't that make the Wii skew OLDER than the other systems? :rofl:

(I'm thinking of the article in this month's EGM if you know what I mean).

I was going to back this up by calculating the average age of my family, but it didn't work out too well because I have 3 kids (all under 10). The average age in my household turns out to be 19. Go KIDTENDO! :lol: (Though I'm sure most of you think 19 means Mature and I'm thinking that is still stereotypical Nintendo kid-aged ;)).
 
Yeah, but a lot of parents aren't gamers and/or are only going to play games with their kids and not buy M-rated games anyway.

Again, there is and will be a market for Mature games on the Wii, but clearly it will be smaller than that of the 360 and PS3 just due to the nature of the markets those consoles are targeting vs. the market Nintendo is after. And this will make it more lucrative to make any exclusive M-rated games for the 360 or PS3 (whichever has the largest install base at the time, so 360 for the foreseeable future).
 
True enough, but as someone else also said, it is a self-fulfilling prophecy. If they don't make any Mature games for the Wii, then, surprise, people will go to the 360 or PS3 for their Mature-rated gaming pleasure. But I also believe in the ratings not making much difference either way. I certainly don't search out M rated games (if anything I avoid them), BUT I'll pick one up if it is supposed to be good. I think the first Shadow Hearts is M, right? And of course I will be getting Oblivion at some point. It is those types of games I'd like to see come to the Wii - I can do without the gore-fest (for the sake of gore itself) games personally.
 
OP-- Manhunt 2 isn't "mature." it's totally overboard and in completely awful taste.

lets face it though...Nintendo has always had the games that appeal to "everyone" which inevitably means family-friendly games which inevitably means kiddy games.

The big blue ocean strategy isn't aimed at the 18 to 36 year old males. And that isn't a bad thing, since it's supposed to be all about the gameplay.
 
Well this could end up being a bad thing... Capcom is probably my favorite developer overall and without them supporting the Wii with decent games (since it seems like they're viewing it as the third system rather than as a legitimate platform based on this)... it really feels like it's just Nintendo developing for their system... again.
 
I've never understood how any console could be considered "kiddy" in the first place. Derder, (or any others in here) please explain.

That being said, I like quite a few of Capcom's properties, although they also push a ton of questionable to poor product, as does many other companies. What they say isn't going to affect any of my purchases though.
 
[quote name='Scrubking']Looks like Ubisoft is in the same boat as Capcom because they toned down their POP Wii port down to Teen. Uh OH.

http://www.esrb.org/ratings/search.jsp[/QUOTE]


Well, considering that T games are the biggest sellers on the Wii why not? You open yourself to a larger demographic because more folks are willing to buy the game with T on it than a M.

And, when I think about it, Sands of Time was rated T and is still the best game out of the latest trilogy, so what did being M have anything to do with it?
 
[quote name='Rig']I've never understood how any console could be considered "kiddy" in the first place. Derder, (or any others in here) please explain.

That being said, I like quite a few of Capcom's properties, although they also push a ton of questionable to poor product, as does many other companies. What they say isn't going to affect any of my purchases though.[/QUOTE]


"kiddy" is obviously an overgeneralization. They aim for games the whole family can enjoy, those games are the biggest sellers for their systems, and games like Manhunt, RE4, Killer 7 etc. are exceptions to the rule.

"family friendly" is a better term.
 
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