Christmas spirit waning as you get older?

As a kid, I'd always have a long list of things I wanted. I noticed that as the years went on, that list grew shorter and shorter. I just didn't care about opening lots of stuff anymore. I'm 22 now, and I'm not really asking for any material things this Christmas. It's funny how it changes...

Like punq said, I also enjoy watching other people open gifts I've gotten them. I get a lot more satisfaction from that than opening my own gifts.

What's more mindblowing to me is how the holiday season seems to come around quicker and quicker every year...
 
[quote name='evilmax17']

Has anybody seen the new Virgin commercial which makes the new holiday "ChristmaHanuKwanzica"? I like the idea.[/quote]

that is the stupidest idea in the world, cmon, the reason christmas is so big in america is because MOST AMERICANS ARE CHRISTIAN, not because people are excluded... christmas is not this big in many non-christian countries. and for the record anyone can celebrate christmas, i know plenty of athiests that do.
 
[quote name='Lootr2Core'][quote name='punqsux'][quote name='evilmax17']I'm all for taking the "Christ" out of Christmas. I absolutely love the holiday season, but the "holiday season" isn't exclusive to Christians. Every time christmas comes around, somebody will mention that "all of the religious meaning has been lost", and commercially it certainly has been. But where is the harm in that?

At this point, "Christmas" outright outranks Hannukah and Kwanza in the media. Until this changes, i think it's beneficial to take the "christ" out of christmas, and open it up to everybody else. You make it less offensive to non-christians by having "X-mas" commercials, sales, and advertising. It almost seems smug for christians to complain about the removal of religion from the holiday, especially since it's THEIR holiday that gets all of the attention. I don't mind keeping the religious aspect of the holiday private, reserved for those who choose to celebrate it for that reason.

I'm Roman Catholic by birth, but I don't celebrate christmas for Jesus. I use this time to be close with my family, and to show them thanks. Just a general time for celebration, and for being happy.

Has anybody seen the new Virgin commercial which makes the new holiday "ChristmaHanuKwanzica"? I like the idea.[/quote]

i agree with you fully, and thats why i call it xmas

i mean if its going to be a national holiday, it should be fair to all religions,

but yeah, i still dont like xmas Xop[/quote]

you sir are a moron..[/quote]

little redundant there burnsey ^^
mind sharing why im a moron?
 
[quote name='Lootr2Core'][quote name='punqsux'][quote name='evilmax17']I'm all for taking the "Christ" out of Christmas. I absolutely love the holiday season, but the "holiday season" isn't exclusive to Christians. Every time christmas comes around, somebody will mention that "all of the religious meaning has been lost", and commercially it certainly has been. But where is the harm in that?

At this point, "Christmas" outright outranks Hannukah and Kwanza in the media. Until this changes, i think it's beneficial to take the "christ" out of christmas, and open it up to everybody else. You make it less offensive to non-christians by having "X-mas" commercials, sales, and advertising. It almost seems smug for christians to complain about the removal of religion from the holiday, especially since it's THEIR holiday that gets all of the attention. I don't mind keeping the religious aspect of the holiday private, reserved for those who choose to celebrate it for that reason.

I'm Roman Catholic by birth, but I don't celebrate christmas for Jesus. I use this time to be close with my family, and to show them thanks. Just a general time for celebration, and for being happy.

Has anybody seen the new Virgin commercial which makes the new holiday "ChristmaHanuKwanzica"? I like the idea.[/quote]

i agree with you fully, and thats why i call it xmas

i mean if its going to be a national holiday, it should be fair to all religions,

but yeah, i still dont like xmas Xop[/quote]

you sir are a moron..[/quote]

Agree'd.

For all of you morons who believe that Xmas is a blasphemy against Christmas, learn some history. The Xmas is taken from the Greek shorthand for Christmas. It was only later, more ignorant, Christians who didn't know Greek that said it was a travesty. Xmas is the same as Christmas.

Same goes for that retarded bitch Christina Aguilera. Calling her self Xtina (despite the fact that it should be Xina, but I digress) because she wants to take the "Christ" out is just stupid.
 
"i mean if its going to be a national holiday, it should be fair to all religions"

Holy hell people, what is wrong with you? This is Christmas. This is when we celebrate the birth of Christ. If you simply want to celebrate the secular part of it, that's fine, but to say "it should be fair to all religions" is idiotic.
 
[quote name='"Lootr2Core"'][quote name='evilmax17']I'm all for taking the "Christ" out of Christmas. I absolutely love the holiday season, but the "holiday season" isn't exclusive to Christians. [/quote]

Ya, and lets take the thanks out of thanksgiving what is that all about? and the veterans out of veterans' day, and the memory out of memorial day.. and lets take the indepenance out of indepandance day... and lets take Labor out of Labor day..


you sir, are a moron.......
 
[quote name='Tromack'][quote name='Lootr2Core'][quote name='punqsux'][quote name='evilmax17']I'm all for taking the "Christ" out of Christmas. I absolutely love the holiday season, but the "holiday season" isn't exclusive to Christians. Every time christmas comes around, somebody will mention that "all of the religious meaning has been lost", and commercially it certainly has been. But where is the harm in that?

At this point, "Christmas" outright outranks Hannukah and Kwanza in the media. Until this changes, i think it's beneficial to take the "christ" out of christmas, and open it up to everybody else. You make it less offensive to non-christians by having "X-mas" commercials, sales, and advertising. It almost seems smug for christians to complain about the removal of religion from the holiday, especially since it's THEIR holiday that gets all of the attention. I don't mind keeping the religious aspect of the holiday private, reserved for those who choose to celebrate it for that reason.

I'm Roman Catholic by birth, but I don't celebrate christmas for Jesus. I use this time to be close with my family, and to show them thanks. Just a general time for celebration, and for being happy.

Has anybody seen the new Virgin commercial which makes the new holiday "ChristmaHanuKwanzica"? I like the idea.[/quote]

i agree with you fully, and thats why i call it xmas

i mean if its going to be a national holiday, it should be fair to all religions,

but yeah, i still dont like xmas Xop[/quote]

you sir are a moron..[/quote]

Agree'd.

For all of you morons who believe that Xmas is a blasphemy against Christmas, learn some history. The Xmas is taken from the Greek shorthand for Christmas. It was only later, more ignorant, Christians who didn't know Greek that said it was a travesty. Xmas is the same as Christmas.

Same goes for that retarded bitch Christina Aguilera. Calling her self Xtina (despite the fact that it should be Xina, but I digress) because she wants to take the "Christ" out is just stupid.[/quote]

yeah, i know this..when it was against the laws to be christian, people marked their doors with an X as a symbol of christ...(and later as a symbol of straight edge ^^)

dont think i care about the history of it at all...i just dont think a religious holiday should be a national holiday...bottom line.
 
[quote name='evilmax17']Has anybody seen the new Virgin commercial which makes the new holiday "ChristmaHanuKwanzica"? I like the idea.[/quote]

I pray that is sarcasm. This is the non-sensical side of political correctness shining through. I find the idea of a combination holiday along the lines of what you just mentioned ridiculously offensive, and I don't even follow any of those religions. There is no need to call the Holidays that.
 
i agree with you fully, and thats why i call it xmas
That's rude, self-important, and entirely disrespectful of a large portion of the society.

i mean if its going to be a national holiday, it should be fair to all religions

That's utter bullshit. Just because the government wants to make a national holiday out of a festival that is deeply important to my religion they now get naming rights on it?

,but yeah, i still dont like xmas
Yet you see fit to be disrespectful of the belief structure of the majority of the the American society because it conflicts with your delicate sensiblities?
 
[quote name='JSweeney']If you're confirmed, it's worse, because you actually decided to be a member of the church community.[/quote]

I always hate it when people take a single sentence from somebodys post and focus on that, so I apologize for doing it right now.

Yes, I was confirmed. There were about 40 kids in the class, 39 of which didn't want to be there (including myself). I think it would be interesting to see the numbers on kids who freely chose their religious beliefs, and kids who had religion forced upon.

If i were given the CHOICE to be confirmed, I wouldn't have went to a single class. But the thing is that most kids (from where I'm from anyway, I don't know if this is universal) were forced by their parents to go to CCD, confirmation, and church (to a lesser degree).

So really, being "confirmed" isn't really a matter of choice. The rule around my house was "you can do whatever you want when you're 18, but until then, you have to do what we say." Take that for what it's worth.
 
[quote name='punqsux'][quote name='Tromack'][quote name='Lootr2Core'][quote name='punqsux'][quote name='evilmax17']I'm all for taking the "Christ" out of Christmas. I absolutely love the holiday season, but the "holiday season" isn't exclusive to Christians. Every time christmas comes around, somebody will mention that "all of the religious meaning has been lost", and commercially it certainly has been. But where is the harm in that?

At this point, "Christmas" outright outranks Hannukah and Kwanza in the media. Until this changes, i think it's beneficial to take the "christ" out of christmas, and open it up to everybody else. You make it less offensive to non-christians by having "X-mas" commercials, sales, and advertising. It almost seems smug for christians to complain about the removal of religion from the holiday, especially since it's THEIR holiday that gets all of the attention. I don't mind keeping the religious aspect of the holiday private, reserved for those who choose to celebrate it for that reason.

I'm Roman Catholic by birth, but I don't celebrate christmas for Jesus. I use this time to be close with my family, and to show them thanks. Just a general time for celebration, and for being happy.

Has anybody seen the new Virgin commercial which makes the new holiday "ChristmaHanuKwanzica"? I like the idea.[/quote]

i agree with you fully, and thats why i call it xmas

i mean if its going to be a national holiday, it should be fair to all religions,

but yeah, i still dont like xmas Xop[/quote]

you sir are a moron..[/quote]

Agree'd.

For all of you morons who believe that Xmas is a blasphemy against Christmas, learn some history. The Xmas is taken from the Greek shorthand for Christmas. It was only later, more ignorant, Christians who didn't know Greek that said it was a travesty. Xmas is the same as Christmas.

Same goes for that retarded bitch Christina Aguilera. Calling her self Xtina (despite the fact that it should be Xina, but I digress) because she wants to take the "Christ" out is just stupid.[/quote]

yeah, i know this..when it was against the laws to be christian, people marked their doors with an X as a symbol of christ...(and later as a symbol of straight edge ^^)

dont think i care about the history of it at all...i just dont think a religious holiday should be a national holiday...bottom line.[/quote]

Why do you believe a religious holiday should be a national holiday? ALso I would like to know what your reference is to the X as a symbol of CHrist...

EDIT--the only time X was a part of Christianity was with the CHI---- todays P.... CHI-RHO- P/x combined.
 
Bah mother fucking humbug. Since I just started working at Target, I don't even get paid for it this year, and at this point it's just another day off to me, except for passing somewhat fake wishes of joy to those who do not normally get them.

That, and working retail. It might be different if I didn't work retail, but dealing with the assiest of assholes for some fucking $97 camera just annoys me and makes me want to do very not nice things to them....
 
I still get excited about Christmas and get in the spirit, but its not the same as when i was a kid because of the great white lie. When I eventually have my own family with children, I can see myslef getting even more excited about Christmas. Plus, with my line of work I plan to get in (teaching), I will forever get a Christmas break!
 
For all of you morons who believe that Xmas is a blasphemy against Christmas, learn some history. The Xmas is taken from the Greek shorthand for Christmas. It was only later, more ignorant, Christians who didn't know Greek that said it was a travesty. Xmas is the same as Christmas.

While that is true, as it was symbolic of the cross, the use of that symbology fell out of favor... that is neither the reasoning nor the intent of most that use that shorthand... especially when you see the context in which one is using it.
If someone were using it, it is an innocuous oversight.
However, many use it with a more malicious intent.
 
[quote name='Lootr2Core'][quote name='punqsux'][quote name='Tromack'][quote name='Lootr2Core'][quote name='punqsux'][quote name='evilmax17']I'm all for taking the "Christ" out of Christmas. I absolutely love the holiday season, but the "holiday season" isn't exclusive to Christians. Every time christmas comes around, somebody will mention that "all of the religious meaning has been lost", and commercially it certainly has been. But where is the harm in that?

At this point, "Christmas" outright outranks Hannukah and Kwanza in the media. Until this changes, i think it's beneficial to take the "christ" out of christmas, and open it up to everybody else. You make it less offensive to non-christians by having "X-mas" commercials, sales, and advertising. It almost seems smug for christians to complain about the removal of religion from the holiday, especially since it's THEIR holiday that gets all of the attention. I don't mind keeping the religious aspect of the holiday private, reserved for those who choose to celebrate it for that reason.

I'm Roman Catholic by birth, but I don't celebrate christmas for Jesus. I use this time to be close with my family, and to show them thanks. Just a general time for celebration, and for being happy.

Has anybody seen the new Virgin commercial which makes the new holiday "ChristmaHanuKwanzica"? I like the idea.[/quote]

i agree with you fully, and thats why i call it xmas

i mean if its going to be a national holiday, it should be fair to all religions,

but yeah, i still dont like xmas Xop[/quote]

you sir are a moron..[/quote]

Agree'd.

For all of you morons who believe that Xmas is a blasphemy against Christmas, learn some history. The Xmas is taken from the Greek shorthand for Christmas. It was only later, more ignorant, Christians who didn't know Greek that said it was a travesty. Xmas is the same as Christmas.

Same goes for that retarded bitch Christina Aguilera. Calling her self Xtina (despite the fact that it should be Xina, but I digress) because she wants to take the "Christ" out is just stupid.[/quote]

yeah, i know this..when it was against the laws to be christian, people marked their doors with an X as a symbol of christ...(and later as a symbol of straight edge ^^)

dont think i care about the history of it at all...i just dont think a religious holiday should be a national holiday...bottom line.[/quote]

Why do you believe a religious holiday should be a national holiday? ALso I would like to know what your reference is to the X as a symbol of CHrist...

EDIT--the only time X was a part of Christianity was with the CHI---- todays P.... CHI-RHO- P/x combined.[/quote]

This looks legitimate enough. http://www.bartleby.com/61/80/X0008000.html
 
[quote name='JSweeney']i agree with you fully, and thats why i call it xmas
That's rude, self-important, and entirely disrespectful of a large portion of the society.

i mean if its going to be a national holiday, it should be fair to all religions

That's utter bullshit. Just because the government wants to make a national holiday out of a festival that is deeply important to my religion they now get naming rights on it?

,but yeah, i still dont like xmas
Yet you see fit to be disrespectful of the belief structure of the majority of the the American society because it conflicts with your delicate sensiblities?[/quote]

1)fuck society. simple as that. ive never agreed with the way 90% of everything is done, from school to work to politics, so i dont care about respecting society. people are too closed-minded and stubborn.

2)no one said renaming christmas. please dont put words in my mouth. its unfair for our government to favor one religious holiday over another. anyone of any religion can celebrate whatever they want, i dont care, but a gov./religious holiday is just wrong.

3)i dont see it as being disrespectful, because i call it that dosent mean you cant call it anything you would like.
 
[quote name='evilmax17'][quote name='JSweeney']If you're confirmed, it's worse, because you actually decided to be a member of the church community.[/quote]

I always hate it when people take a single sentence from somebodys post and focus on that, so I apologize for doing it right now.

Yes, I was confirmed. There were about 40 kids in the class, 39 of which didn't want to be there (including myself). I think it would be interesting to see the numbers on kids who freely chose their religious beliefs, and kids who had religion forced upon.

If i were given the CHOICE to be confirmed, I wouldn't have went to a single class. But the thing is that most kids (from where I'm from anyway, I don't know if this is universal) were forced by their parents to go to CCD, confirmation, and church (to a lesser degree).

So really, being "confirmed" isn't really a matter of choice. The rule around my house was "you can do whatever you want when you're 18, but until then, you have to do what we say." Take that for what it's worth.[/quote]
hell i paid for my ds using my confermation money so was it worth it... yes
 
[quote name='Tromack'][quote name='Lootr2Core'][quote name='punqsux'][quote name='Tromack'][quote name='Lootr2Core'][quote name='punqsux'][quote name='evilmax17']I'm all for taking the "Christ" out of Christmas. I absolutely love the holiday season, but the "holiday season" isn't exclusive to Christians. Every time christmas comes around, somebody will mention that "all of the religious meaning has been lost", and commercially it certainly has been. But where is the harm in that?

At this point, "Christmas" outright outranks Hannukah and Kwanza in the media. Until this changes, i think it's beneficial to take the "christ" out of christmas, and open it up to everybody else. You make it less offensive to non-christians by having "X-mas" commercials, sales, and advertising. It almost seems smug for christians to complain about the removal of religion from the holiday, especially since it's THEIR holiday that gets all of the attention. I don't mind keeping the religious aspect of the holiday private, reserved for those who choose to celebrate it for that reason.

I'm Roman Catholic by birth, but I don't celebrate christmas for Jesus. I use this time to be close with my family, and to show them thanks. Just a general time for celebration, and for being happy.

Has anybody seen the new Virgin commercial which makes the new holiday "ChristmaHanuKwanzica"? I like the idea.[/quote]

i agree with you fully, and thats why i call it xmas

i mean if its going to be a national holiday, it should be fair to all religions,

but yeah, i still dont like xmas Xop[/quote]

you sir are a moron..[/quote]

Agree'd.

For all of you morons who believe that Xmas is a blasphemy against Christmas, learn some history. The Xmas is taken from the Greek shorthand for Christmas. It was only later, more ignorant, Christians who didn't know Greek that said it was a travesty. Xmas is the same as Christmas.

Same goes for that retarded bitch Christina Aguilera. Calling her self Xtina (despite the fact that it should be Xina, but I digress) because she wants to take the "Christ" out is just stupid.[/quote]

yeah, i know this..when it was against the laws to be christian, people marked their doors with an X as a symbol of christ...(and later as a symbol of straight edge ^^)

dont think i care about the history of it at all...i just dont think a religious holiday should be a national holiday...bottom line.[/quote]

Why do you believe a religious holiday should be a national holiday? ALso I would like to know what your reference is to the X as a symbol of CHrist...

EDIT--the only time X was a part of Christianity was with the CHI---- todays P.... CHI-RHO- P/x combined.[/quote]

This looks legitimate enough. http://www.bartleby.com/61/80/X0008000.html[/quote]]


Yes, and everyone in the US know greek. even in the early days of Christianity Jesus was never spelled as X--- NEVER in the New Testament was Christ spelled as X---- CHRISTOS--yes but not X...PX(CHI RHO came into favor after emporer Constantine had his army draw that symbol on their shield after a dream of divine inspiration.

X--was NEVER shorthand for Christians..
 
[quote name='Lootr2Core'][quote name='punqsux'][quote name='Tromack'][quote name='Lootr2Core'][quote name='punqsux'][quote name='evilmax17']I'm all for taking the "Christ" out of Christmas. I absolutely love the holiday season, but the "holiday season" isn't exclusive to Christians. Every time christmas comes around, somebody will mention that "all of the religious meaning has been lost", and commercially it certainly has been. But where is the harm in that?

At this point, "Christmas" outright outranks Hannukah and Kwanza in the media. Until this changes, i think it's beneficial to take the "christ" out of christmas, and open it up to everybody else. You make it less offensive to non-christians by having "X-mas" commercials, sales, and advertising. It almost seems smug for christians to complain about the removal of religion from the holiday, especially since it's THEIR holiday that gets all of the attention. I don't mind keeping the religious aspect of the holiday private, reserved for those who choose to celebrate it for that reason.

I'm Roman Catholic by birth, but I don't celebrate christmas for Jesus. I use this time to be close with my family, and to show them thanks. Just a general time for celebration, and for being happy.

Has anybody seen the new Virgin commercial which makes the new holiday "ChristmaHanuKwanzica"? I like the idea.[/quote]

i agree with you fully, and thats why i call it xmas

i mean if its going to be a national holiday, it should be fair to all religions,

but yeah, i still dont like xmas Xop[/quote]

you sir are a moron..[/quote]

Agree'd.

For all of you morons who believe that Xmas is a blasphemy against Christmas, learn some history. The Xmas is taken from the Greek shorthand for Christmas. It was only later, more ignorant, Christians who didn't know Greek that said it was a travesty. Xmas is the same as Christmas.

Same goes for that retarded bitch Christina Aguilera. Calling her self Xtina (despite the fact that it should be Xina, but I digress) because she wants to take the "Christ" out is just stupid.[/quote]

yeah, i know this..when it was against the laws to be christian, people marked their doors with an X as a symbol of christ...(and later as a symbol of straight edge ^^)

dont think i care about the history of it at all...i just dont think a religious holiday should be a national holiday...bottom line.[/quote]

Why do you believe a religious holiday should be a national holiday? ALso I would like to know what your reference is to the X as a symbol of CHrist...

EDIT--the only time X was a part of Christianity was with the CHI---- todays P.... CHI-RHO- P/x combined.[/quote]

the markings on the door i picked up from an art history class, and yes i know the p goes through it, i just didnt know the name of the symbol.

a religious holiday should not be a national holiday because that makes it seem like the gov. endorses that religion, which the gov. never should do. its imposing on people who are not of that religion but feel the need to conform to society.
 
shaq-fu society. simple as that. ive never agreed with the way 90% of everything is done, from school to work to politics, so i dont care about respecting society. people are too closed-minded and stubborn.

Yep, because right now your looking like the pinacle of open mindedness and respect of other's beliefs, right?

no one said renaming christmas. please dont put words in my mouth. its unfair for our government to favor one religious holiday over another. anyone of any religion can celebrate whatever they want, i dont care, but a gov./religious holiday is just wrong.

So you malign a religious holiday because some polictians decided to make it a national holiday? Exactly how that make sense?


i dont see it as being disrespectful, because i call it that dosent mean you cant call it anything you would like

So it's ok to throw around loaded words just because you don't think they are disrespectful? So if you don't think it's dispectful to call a person of a racial group a slur directed at that group, it's ok to do it, right?
 
[quote name='punqsux'][quote name='JSweeney']i agree with you fully, and thats why i call it xmas
That's rude, self-important, and entirely disrespectful of a large portion of the society.

i mean if its going to be a national holiday, it should be fair to all religions

That's utter bullshit. Just because the government wants to make a national holiday out of a festival that is deeply important to my religion they now get naming rights on it?

,but yeah, i still dont like xmas
Yet you see fit to be disrespectful of the belief structure of the majority of the the American society because it conflicts with your delicate sensiblities?[/quote]

1)shaq-fu society. simple as that. ive never agreed with the way 90% of everything is done, from school to work to politics, so i dont care about respecting society. people are too closed-minded and stubborn.

2)no one said renaming christmas. please dont put words in my mouth. its unfair for our government to favor one religious holiday over another. anyone of any religion can celebrate whatever they want, i dont care, but a gov./religious holiday is just wrong.

3)i dont see it as being disrespectful, because i call it that dosent mean you cant call it anything you would like.[/quote]

About point 2.. no one said renaming christmas.. I think when you said, "i agree with you fully, and thats why i call it xmas" that was implied.
 
The best part of Christmas will be Cheapy's avatar as himself being Santa Claus. :lol:
 
[quote name='punqsux'][quote name='Lootr2Core'][quote name='punqsux'][quote name='Tromack'][quote name='Lootr2Core'][quote name='punqsux'][quote name='evilmax17']I'm all for taking the "Christ" out of Christmas. I absolutely love the holiday season, but the "holiday season" isn't exclusive to Christians. Every time christmas comes around, somebody will mention that "all of the religious meaning has been lost", and commercially it certainly has been. But where is the harm in that?

At this point, "Christmas" outright outranks Hannukah and Kwanza in the media. Until this changes, i think it's beneficial to take the "christ" out of christmas, and open it up to everybody else. You make it less offensive to non-christians by having "X-mas" commercials, sales, and advertising. It almost seems smug for christians to complain about the removal of religion from the holiday, especially since it's THEIR holiday that gets all of the attention. I don't mind keeping the religious aspect of the holiday private, reserved for those who choose to celebrate it for that reason.

I'm Roman Catholic by birth, but I don't celebrate christmas for Jesus. I use this time to be close with my family, and to show them thanks. Just a general time for celebration, and for being happy.

Has anybody seen the new Virgin commercial which makes the new holiday "ChristmaHanuKwanzica"? I like the idea.[/quote]

i agree with you fully, and thats why i call it xmas

i mean if its going to be a national holiday, it should be fair to all religions,

but yeah, i still dont like xmas Xop[/quote]

you sir are a moron..[/quote]

Agree'd.

For all of you morons who believe that Xmas is a blasphemy against Christmas, learn some history. The Xmas is taken from the Greek shorthand for Christmas. It was only later, more ignorant, Christians who didn't know Greek that said it was a travesty. Xmas is the same as Christmas.

Same goes for that retarded bitch Christina Aguilera. Calling her self Xtina (despite the fact that it should be Xina, but I digress) because she wants to take the "Christ" out is just stupid.[/quote]

yeah, i know this..when it was against the laws to be christian, people marked their doors with an X as a symbol of christ...(and later as a symbol of straight edge ^^)

dont think i care about the history of it at all...i just dont think a religious holiday should be a national holiday...bottom line.[/quote]

Why do you believe a religious holiday should be a national holiday? ALso I would like to know what your reference is to the X as a symbol of CHrist...

EDIT--the only time X was a part of Christianity was with the CHI---- todays P.... CHI-RHO- P/x combined.[/quote]

the markings on the door i picked up from an art history class, and yes i know the p goes through it, i just didnt know the name of the symbol.

a religious holiday should not be a national holiday because that makes it seem like the gov. endorses that religion, which the gov. never should do. its imposing on people who are not of that religion but feel the need to conform to society.[/quote]

Religious holiday shouldn't be national holiday eh? Well simply go to work on that day. So with your logic there should be no holidays then right?
 
[quote name='manofpeace20']When I eventually have my own family with children, I can see myslef getting even more excited about Christmas. [/quote]

Yeah, I'm excited about that too! Knowing how my parents felt giving me Christmas's, I think that will be a great time in my life.
 
[quote name='Lootr2Core']Religious holiday shouldn't be national holiday eh? Well simply go to work on that day. So with your logic there should be no holidays then right?[/quote]

He's saying no religion should be held with precedence in the eyes of the gov't. National Holidays that acknowledge important religious days and the idea of a favored religion in gov't are two completely different things.
 
[quote name='Ledhed'][quote name='Lootr2Core']Religious holiday shouldn't be national holiday eh? Well simply go to work on that day. So with your logic there should be no holidays then right?[/quote]

He's saying no religion should be held with precedence in the eyes of the gov't. National Holidays that acknowledge important religious days and the idea of a favored religion in gov't are two completely different things.[/quote]


so can you name a national holiday that doesn't favor an organized religion?
 
I always hate it when people take a single sentence from somebodys post and focus on that, so I apologize for doing it right now.

Yes, I was confirmed. There were about 40 kids in the class, 39 of which didn't want to be there (including myself). I think it would be interesting to see the numbers on kids who freely chose their religious beliefs, and kids who had religion forced upon.

If i were given the CHOICE to be confirmed, I wouldn't have went to a single class. But the thing is that most kids (from where I'm from anyway, I don't know if this is universal) were forced by their parents to go to CCD, confirmation, and church (to a lesser degree).

I blame your parents then. You ARE supposed to be given choice on that, as without you going into the ceremony of free will and desire to do so, it's just a sham, kept up for appearence.

So really, being "confirmed" isn't really a matter of choice. The rule around my house was "you can do whatever you want when you're 18, but until then, you have to do what we say." Take that for what it's worth.

I blame your parents, mostly, and you somewhat, for not standing up for yourself. While at the age you were, I know that is difficult, but being confirmed is supposed to be a deep spiritual thing, where you make the decision that you do want to live the Catholic lifestyle.

While it doesn't make you blameless, It does make your viewpoint make a bit more sense. I feel deeply sorry for you that you parents forced you into something you didn't believe yourself ready for or want.
 
[quote name='JSweeney']shaq-fu society. simple as that. ive never agreed with the way 90% of everything is done, from school to work to politics, so i dont care about respecting society. people are too closed-minded and stubborn.

Yep, because right now your looking like the pinacle of open mindedness and respect of other's beliefs, right?

no one said renaming christmas. please dont put words in my mouth. its unfair for our government to favor one religious holiday over another. anyone of any religion can celebrate whatever they want, i dont care, but a gov./religious holiday is just wrong.

So you malign a religious holiday because some polictians decided to make it a national holiday? Exactly how that make sense?


i dont see it as being disrespectful, because i call it that dosent mean you cant call it anything you would like

So it's ok to throw around loaded words just because you don't think they are disrespectful? So if you don't think it's dispectful to call a person of a racial group a slur directed at that group, it's ok to do it, right?[/quote]

1) i was confronted by numerous people here and called a moron, of course im on the defensive here! i am a very open minded person, and i dont care what people believe in, im not trashing any religion here, just saying i disagree with the fact that xmas is a national holiday

2) im making it into a holiday i dont mind celebrateing. make of it anything you like, i dont see how me calling it something else changes what the holiday means to you on a personal level.

3)what loaded words have i thrown around? why are you trying to make me sound like im a prejudice person? ive already stated i dont care what people believe!!
 
I did all the Cristmas shopping last year.


I have a deep respect for people who have to do it every year. It is a huge pain in the ass
 
[quote name='Lootr2Core']

About point 2.. no one said renaming christmas.. I think when you said, "i agree with you fully, and thats why i call it xmas" that was implied.[/quote]

thats why i call it xmas.
i never said the holiday should be changed to be called that
 
JSweeney, why did you edit your post? I thought you made a great point in seperating the HISTORICAL meaning of the holiday and the SECULAR meaning.

Historically, the first "thanksgiving" likely didn't even happen. The whole smallpox on blankets thing kind of sours the deal. However, secularly, Thanksgiving is about eating turkey and being thankful. Secular > Historical in this case.

Historically, Christmas is about celebrating the birth of Jesus the Christ. Now for whichever reason (most probably that the majority of America is christian), Christmas has become the "national" December holiday. That is a reality. While I would much rather see the holiday season become completely non-discriminatory, we have to deal with the state of it as it stands. The solution to this is commercialization. In stead of seeing Jesus commercials, you see Santa Claus. So the secular meaning of Christmas has taken the form of giving presents, and showing loved ones that you care for them. I don't think that its a horrible trade.

This is not selfish. Christian's who use their religious majority to try and enforce the historical significance are only looking out for themselves. Again, I agree that the nationalization of Christmas is wrong, but it happened. Commercializing the holiday somewhat fixes this error. If you'd like the religion inserted back into christmas, then do it yourselves, in your own homes. Don't force it onto other people, regardless if the majority of people in America follow your beliefs. Don't forget, the majority of Americans are caucasian also, but that doesn't mean you can pander everything to them.

Also, I liked the IDEA of "ChristmaHanukwanzika", not the name. The name sucks. The idea does not.

Sumation: If you're going to put christmas EVERYWHERE, you had better make it accessible to EVERYONE. If you don't want to sacrifice the meaning of the holiday in the process, then don't put it everywhere. However, since it already IS everywhere, I don't see commercialization as a bad temporary solution to the problem.
 
You guys never cease to amaze me! So, there should be no religious holidays, no presidents day because some people may take offended by things they may have done, no colombus day becasue he was mean to the indians, no Martin Luther King Jr day becasue some people dont like blacks. We shouldnt teach our kids about the declaration of independance because it has references to God in it. Anything else?
 
[quote name='Lootr2Core']
Religious holiday shouldn't be national holiday eh? Well simply go to work on that day. So with your logic there should be no holidays then right?[/quote]

will you guys try and see what im saying instead of twisting around words i have not said?

i feel ive typed the same thing 4 or 5 times over and still no one gets what im saying...

veterans day is a national holiday, its there to remember people who have serverd time, and people who have given their lives for our country. something all american can relate to or be thankful for (mans i know you guys are going to tear apart that line...)

christmas is no such holiday, its a religious holiday.
 
[quote name='Lootr2Core'][quote name='Ledhed'][quote name='Lootr2Core']Religious holiday shouldn't be national holiday eh? Well simply go to work on that day. So with your logic there should be no holidays then right?[/quote]

He's saying no religion should be held with precedence in the eyes of the gov't. National Holidays that acknowledge important religious days and the idea of a favored religion in gov't are two completely different things.[/quote]


so can you name a national holiday that doesn't favor an organized religion?[/quote]

That isn't the point. Of course individual holidays recognize individual religions. The point is there should be no religion favored over others, or no religion favored period. How would you feel if your gov't was acknowledging many important days for someone else's religion, but not acknowledging any of yours? You'd see it as favoritism, wouldn't you? That is the point of what I was saying.

EDIT:[quote name='bignick']You guys never cease to amaze me! So, there should be no religious holidays, no presidents day because some people may take offended by things they may have done, no colombus day becasue he was mean to the indians, no Martin Luther King Jr day becasue some people dont like blacks. We shouldnt teach our kids about the declaration of independance because it has references to God in it. Anything else?[/quote]

Who the hell said we shouldn't acknowledge those holidays? The point is that no one thing should be favored over others.
 
[quote name='punqsux'][quote name='JSweeney']shaq-fu society. simple as that. ive never agreed with the way 90% of everything is done, from school to work to politics, so i dont care about respecting society. people are too closed-minded and stubborn.

Yep, because right now your looking like the pinacle of open mindedness and respect of other's beliefs, right?

no one said renaming christmas. please dont put words in my mouth. its unfair for our government to favor one religious holiday over another. anyone of any religion can celebrate whatever they want, i dont care, but a gov./religious holiday is just wrong.

So you malign a religious holiday because some polictians decided to make it a national holiday? Exactly how that make sense?


i dont see it as being disrespectful, because i call it that dosent mean you cant call it anything you would like

So it's ok to throw around loaded words just because you don't think they are disrespectful? So if you don't think it's dispectful to call a person of a racial group a slur directed at that group, it's ok to do it, right?[/quote]

1) i was confronted by numerous people here and called a moron, of course im on the defensive here! i am a very open minded person, and i dont care what people believe in, im not trashing any religion here, just saying i disagree with the fact that xmas is a national holiday

2) im making it into a holiday i dont mind celebrateing. make of it anything you like, i dont see how me calling it something else changes what the holiday means to you on a personal level.

3)what loaded words have i thrown around? why are you trying to make me sound like im a prejudice person? ive already stated i dont care what people believe!![/quote]

why 'celebrate' something you don't believe in? You don't see how calling it something else is offensive? In response 1 you confess that you are being responsive because of being called a moron.. so words matter eh? Why are you offended or defensive if I call you a moron instead of punxsuqs? Likewise you have no problem celebrating Christmas as long as its not called that... YOu certainly sound like you are trashing a religion..
 
[quote name='punqsux'][quote name='Lootr2Core']
Religious holiday shouldn't be national holiday eh? Well simply go to work on that day. So with your logic there should be no holidays then right?[/quote]

will you guys try and see what im saying instead of twisting around words i have not said?

i feel ive typed the same thing 4 or 5 times over and still no one gets what im saying...

veterans day is a national holiday, its there to remember people who have serverd time, and people who have given their lives for our country. something all american can relate to or be thankful for (mans i know you guys are going to tear apart that line...)

christmas is no such holiday, its a religious holiday.[/quote]

So veterans day is a national holiday with no religious mention? Methinks you need you read some of Abraham Lincoln's speeches again.
 
i was confronted by numerous people here and called a moron, of course im on the defensive here! i am a very open minded person, and i dont care what people believe in, im not trashing any religion here, just saying i disagree with the fact that xmas is a national holiday

I don't disagree with you on the fact that Christmas should not be recognized as a goverment holiday, if you are one that maintains believes in the strict application of consitutional law. Of course, in that case, you'd also be opposed to many of the constitution amendments.

im making it into a holiday i dont mind celebrateing. make of it anything you like, i dont see how me calling it something else changes what the holiday means to you on a personal level.

That's fine, I'm glad you can create a holiday that is meaningful to you.
But its' not fair to trample the feelings and beliefs of a group of people by bastardizing the name of thier holiday (Christmas has been the accepted name of the Christain holiday, and Xmas has fallen out of favor, as it refers more now to the commercialized bastardization of that holiday.)

what loaded words have i thrown around? why are you trying to make me sound like im a prejudice person? ive already stated i dont care what people believe!!

Xmas is a loaded word. While not originally intented to, it represents almost the antithesis of what Christmas stands for... it directly refers to the commericalized bastardization of the Christian holiday, creating a consumer driven holiday that has no moral or ethical basis.
 
[quote name='punqsux']
i feel ive typed the same thing 4 or 5 times over and still no one gets what im saying...
[/quote]

It's probably cuz they don't want to 'get' what you're saying.

It feels like this topic is going in circles....
 
[quote name='xenoman80']wait what there no santa. huh no easter buny mickey mouse is mexican whats the word cumming to[/quote]

Allow me to translate:
"Wait, what? There isn't a Santa? Huh? No Easter Bunny? Mickey Mouse is Mexican? What's the world coming to?

PS What's wrong about Mickey Mouse being Mexican?
 
[quote name='moiety'][quote name='punqsux']
i feel ive typed the same thing 4 or 5 times over and still no one gets what im saying...
[/quote]

It's probably cuz they don't want to 'get' what you're saying.

It feels like this topic is going in circles....[/quote]

please summarize what he is trying to say then...
 
[quote name='Lootr2Core']

why 'celebrate' something you don't believe in? You don't see how calling it something else is offensive? In response 1 you confess that you are being responsive because of being called a moron.. so words matter eh? Why are you offended or defensive if I call you a moron instead of punxsuqs? Likewise you have no problem celebrating Christmas as long as its not called that... YOu certainly sound like you are trashing a religion..[/quote]

i celebrate xmas for 2 reasons.
1)traditions, i was raised in a christian family.
2)my already stated enjoyments of the holiday.

i do not celebrate christmas in its real meaning.
me celebrating it has nothing to do with jesus being born, it has to do with sharing gifts with people i care about. i dont think it would be fair to the actual meaning of christmas for me to call it that as it would disrespect the meaning, which i do respect to for people that do believe it.

did i say that words dont matter? obviously words can be offensive, i dont believe i ever said anything that said they couldnt be...
 
Here is a list of the holidays we need to ban ASAP.



Jan 1 New Year's Day Ban it becasue not everyone celebrates the same start of the new year
Jan 19 Martin Luther King Day Ban it, not all people like blacks
Feb 14 Valentine's Day Ban it, everyone isnt in love

Feb 16 President's Day Ban it, everyone doesnt like them
Apr 9 Good Friday (Christian) Ban it, religious
Apr 11 Easter Sunday (Christian) Ban it, religious
Apr 12 Easter Monday (Christian) Ban it, religious
May 9 Mother's Day Ban it, not everyone has a mother
May 31 Memorial Day Ban it, some of those soldiers died in a war that someone didnt like
Jun 20 Father's Day Ban it, not everyone has a fater
Jul 4 Independence Day Ban it, it may be offensive to other nations
Sep 6 Labor Day Keep it
Oct 11 Columbus Day Ban it, he was mean to the Indians
Oct 31 Halloween Ban it, ghosts are scary to some people
Nov 11 Veterans Day Ban it, they fought in wars that some people didnt agree with
Nov 25 Thanksgiving Day Ban it because it is mean to animals
Dec 25 Christmas Day Ban it, religious
 
[quote name='bignick']Here is a list of the holidays we need to ban ASAP.



Jan 1 New Year's Day Ban it becasue not everyone celebrates the same start of the new year
Jan 19 Martin Luther King Day Ban it, not all people like blacks
Feb 14 Valentine's Day Ban it, everyone isnt in love

Feb 16 President's Day Ban it, everyone doesnt like them
Apr 9 Good Friday (Christian) Ban it, religious
Apr 11 Easter Sunday (Christian) Ban it, religious
Apr 12 Easter Monday (Christian) Ban it, religious
May 9 Mother's Day Ban it, not everyone has a mother
May 31 Memorial Day Ban it, some of those soldiers died in a war that someone didnt like
Jun 20 Father's Day Ban it, not everyone has a fater
Jul 4 Independence Day Ban it, it may be offensive to other nations
Sep 6 Labor Day Keep it
Oct 11 Columbus Day Ban it, he was mean to the Indians
Oct 31 Halloween Ban it, ghosts are scary to some people
Nov 11 Veterans Day Ban it, they fought in wars that some people didnt agree with
Nov 25 Thanksgiving Day Ban it because it is mean to animals
Dec 25 Christmas Day Ban it, religious[/quote]

But a lot of those give us days off of school.
 
[quote name='punqsux'][quote name='Lootr2Core']

why 'celebrate' something you don't believe in? You don't see how calling it something else is offensive? In response 1 you confess that you are being responsive because of being called a moron.. so words matter eh? Why are you offended or defensive if I call you a moron instead of punxsuqs? Likewise you have no problem celebrating Christmas as long as its not called that... YOu certainly sound like you are trashing a religion..[/quote]

i celebrate xmas for 2 reasons.
1)traditions, i was raised in a christian family.
2)my already stated enjoyments of the holiday.

i do not celebrate christmas in its real meaning.
me celebrating it has nothing to do with jesus being born, it has to do with sharing gifts with people i care about. i dont think it would be fair to the actual meaning of christmas for me to call it that as it would disrespect the meaning, which i do respect to for people that do believe it.

did i say that words dont matter? obviously words can be offensive, i dont believe i ever said anything that said they couldnt be...[/quote]

so why do you celebrate something you don't believe in? so what is the 'actual meanin of christmas' that you don't wan't to disrespect? If you don't believe in it how can you disrespect it? I don't believe in Friday the 13th.. so I don't mark that day by being afraid or steering clear of it..
 
[quote name='bignick']Here is a list of the holidays we need to ban ASAP.

Apr 9 Good Friday (Christian) Ban it, religious
Apr 11 Easter Sunday (Christian) Ban it, religious
Apr 12 Easter Monday (Christian) Ban it, religious
Dec 25 Christmas Day Ban it, religious[/quote]

I can agree with those.
 
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