CONFIRMED:HDMI-enabled black Xbox 360 out on April 29!

Here's some official information from an MS Rep:

So what about HDMI-craving HDTV owners who want to get an Xbox 360 Elite and transfer their current XBLM content to it? In one word: Wait. Penello said that Microsoft is "working on a solution" for transferring data from current 360s to Elites, but would not elaborate.
Hardware-wise, Penello said the Xbox 360 Elite has the same disc drive and processors as "current models." He also confirmed it would not have an internal HD-DVD drive, as some had suspected. "We don't want to segment the user base," he told GameSpot. He also confirmed that the external Xbox 360 HD-DVD drive would not be available in the Elite's black finish for the foreseeable future.
Another thing the new console won't have is Internet Protocol TV functionality, which Microsoft announced it was bringing to the 360 platform at the Consumer Electronics Show in January. "[IPTV] trials will start this summer," said Penello, who didn't have a start date for the service.
As for the fate of the current hard drive-less $299 Core Xbox 360 and 360-equipped Pro Xbox 360 models, Penello said they would continue to be offered. He also confirmed the new model will be a permanent addition to the 360 product line, and not a limited edition.

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So what about HDMI-craving HDTV owners who want to get an Xbox 360 Elite and transfer their current XBLM content to it? In one word: Wait. Penello said that Microsoft is "working on a solution" for transferring data from current 360s to Elites, but would not elaborate.
Hardware-wise, Penello said the Xbox 360 Elite has the same disc drive and processors as "current models." He also confirmed it would not have an internal HD-DVD drive, as some had suspected. "We don't want to segment the user base," he told GameSpot. He also confirmed that the external Xbox 360 HD-DVD drive would not be available in the Elite's black finish for the foreseeable future.
Another thing the new console won't have is Internet Protocol TV functionality, which Microsoft announced it was bringing to the 360 platform at the Consumer Electronics Show in January. "[IPTV] trials will start this summer," said Penello, who didn't have a start date for the service.
As for the fate of the current hard drive-less $299 Core Xbox 360 and 360-equipped Pro Xbox 360 models, Penello said they would continue to be offered. He also confirmed the new model will be a permanent addition to the 360 product line, and not a limited edition.
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Full info here: http://www.gamespot.com/news/6168182.html?om_act=convert&om_clk=newstop&tag=newstop;title;1
 
A slimmer of hope, although I think this definitive answer came from the podcast last night in which "Albert" said that there wasn't going to be an upgrade solution for current 360 owners.

If they do this, I will definately give HUGE props to Microsoft.

http://xbox360.gamespy.com/articles/776/776443p2.html (bottom of page 2)




GameSpy: There is no announced solution in place for current Xbox 360 owners to migrate data to the new hard drive if they purchase an Elite system, as the data cable and software is only included in the stand-alone hard drive accessory. What about owners who want to replace their existing system?
Albert Penello: While there isn't a system in place yet, we're working on a system so that current Xbox owners can move from an old box to a new elite.​
 
[quote name='galvatron2k1']If you must have brand name cables, then I guess I can understand this argument but last time I checked... digital is digital. Unless the cable is super cheap material, it shouldn't matter... on the flip side...[/quote]
You guys missed my point. All I said is that the Elite is bundled with an offical MS HDMI cable. The PS3 isn't bundled with a Sony HDMI cable. If you want to compare the Elite to the PS3 then you have to match it accordingly, its not $20 difference since you still have to buy an HDMI, and for a Sony HDMI its $50+ more.
 
[quote name='mykevermin']Don't forget your XBL subscription cost either. The services aren't comparable (so I'm not making that argument), but at the very least, you do need "XBL Gold" to download files (demos, XBLA games, etc.), don't you?[/quote]

Nope, the free Silver account is fine for that.
 
[quote name='LinkinPrime']You guys missed my point. All I said is that the Elite is bundled with an offical MS HDMI cable. The PS3 isn't bundled with a Sony HDMI cable. If you want to compare the Elite to the PS3 then you have to match it accordingly, its not $20 difference since you still have to buy an HDMI, and for a Sony HDMI its $50+ more.[/quote]

True, I get your point.
 
[quote name='LinkinPrime']You guys missed my point. All I said is that the Elite is bundled with an offical MS HDMI cable. The PS3 isn't bundled with a Sony HDMI cable. If you want to compare the Elite to the PS3 then you have to match it accordingly, its not $20 difference since you still have to buy an HDMI, and for a Sony HDMI its $50+ more.[/QUOTE]

If you want to "match it accordingly," then you can add that $50 right back in for the cost of XBL. Otherwise, no online play for you.

[quote name='benjamouth']Nope, the free Silver account is fine for that.[/QUOTE]

I didn't know that. Hmm. Thanks.

I'm gonna wrap this shit up, because I have work to go, and we're going in circles. All I'm trying to say is, bare minimum, Microsoft is treading in dangerous territory here; there's plenty of ill will towards Sony for the cost of the PS3, and Microsoft's response is to offer a system with two upgrades that encroaches the cost of the PS3 by $20.

In short, they're narrowing the gap between systems in terms of cost, while the substantive difference between the systems (not evident at the moment) will show this to be a very foolish move in the coming months.

At any rate, all of this shit would be *completely* fine with me if they let owners user their own fucking SATA drives. I'm not too hot on the Elite (not until they fix the processor/dvd drive/heating issues), but that 120GB drive looks nice. $179, though? It better come with a hooker for that kinda cost.
 
[quote name='LinkinPrime']$20 more + $50+ for a Sony HDMI cable = $70+
Also, if im upgrading I'm going to be selling my orignal X360 so i'm not going to consider downgrading to a PS3.[/quote]

You should be slapped if you buy a $50 HDMI cable.
It doesn't matter if it's a MS brand HDMI cable bundled in there, I bet you the Monoprice cable is thicker. It's thicker and more impressive looking than any Monster cable I've owned.
However, it's digital, so it doesn't matter.

No HDDVD.
No wireless.

No upgrading to the Elite for me.
Premium is fine, but I wish I could use my own HDD to upgrade. $100 for 20GB is rape. I don't need 120GB for $180.
 
[quote name='dallow']You should be slapped if you buy a $50 HDMI cable.[/QUOTE]

The people that spend that much on a cable are the same people that buy the $100 wireless adapter.
 
[quote name='LinkinPrime']$20 more + $50+ for a Sony HDMI cable = $70+
Also, if im upgrading I'm going to be selling my orignal X360 so i'm not going to consider downgrading to a PS3.[/quote]

Not trying to diss, but a real quick question. I don't consider myself to be a fanboy as I play all systems and think each have benefits and drawbacks. But why all the hate on the PS3? When the 360 launched, it was terrible too... limited games, systems breaking, hard to find in stores, 2 different versions, highest prices when they hit the market, etc.

Now look at it, the system is great! But yet, the PS3 gets dissed for the same reasons. If somebody would clarify this for me as to why they are not given the benefit of a wait and see approach now that both systems are closing the gap on pricing...
 
[quote name='thrustbucket']The people that spend that much on a cable are the same people that buy the $100 wireless adapter.[/quote]

Hehe, you're right.
My wireless adapter was $20 bucks. Never a problem.
 
[quote name='galvatron2k1']Not trying to diss, but a real quick question. I don't consider myself to be a fanboy as I play all systems and think each have benefits and drawbacks. But why all the hate on the PS3? When the 360 launched, it was terrible too... limited games, systems breaking, hard to find in stores, 2 different versions, highest prices when they hit the market, etc.

Now look at it, the system is great! But yet, the PS3 gets dissed for the same reasons. If somebody would clarify this for me as to why they are not given the benefit of a wait and see approach now that both systems are closing the gap on pricing...[/QUOTE]

I can only speak for myself, but I generally despise Sony now for their heavy handed tactics and general corporate holier than thou demeanor. Now there will be those that say Microsoft has been far worse in the past, and that's true, but not when it comes to Video games, not to Sony's degree.

The way Sony has intimidated Studios to support blu-ray. The way Sony lies worse, and more often, than anyone in the industry. The way they consistently try to come up with their own proprietary format they are ultimately in charge of and force us all to adopt it has finally sent me over the edge.

I took ALL of my PS2 games (Except the one I helped make) to trade in this week towards Guitar Hero 2, and it felt good.

All of the above, combined with the fact that they'd have to have A LOT of really kick ass exclusive games for me to justify spending $600 for the price admission, pretty much guarantees I will never buy a PS3.
 
[quote name='LinkinPrime']No its not absurd to say $50+ for Sony brand. The Elite will come bundled with official MS HDMI not some cheap cable, so in comparison thats why I said $50+ for the Sony HDMI cable.

I don't know if its confirmed, MS hasn't really said anything about it. Thats just what joystiq.com has on their site.[/QUOTE]


well then, add in $100 for the 360 wireless solution and you'll pay $779 to get it up to spec with a 60gb ps3.
 
who spends $50 for a sony cable ?

And looking at what was included with my 360 I seriously doubt the Elite is supplying Monster Cables. Like every company they will buy them in bulk from some company in china for like $1.

I also looked over the isuppli breakdown info and at last look the 360 was making $75 per system.

They had the 20gb 2.5 SATA drive priced out at $43 which I think is really high for that but... And looking at the PS3 60gb HD cost I wouldn't guess the 120gb to be costing MS more then $70(likely a bit less.)

So a difference of $30 in HD cost, adding a port and HDMI cable (we'll guess high) $10, black color likely is just pennies(although I would guess it would be about the same cost as making them white)

So they bump the price up $80 and make a total of $115ish off the system. And a crap load off the sale of the separate Hard drive.

I honestly think it's not a very good move as it puts it right in the price point area of the 20gb PS3.
It would have been far better to just have done a price drop on the premium( $50 would still have them making money off the system) and put the Elite in at the $399 price.(where they would still be making money off the system.)
 
[quote name='thrustbucket']I can only speak for myself, but I generally despise Sony now for their heavy handed tactics and general corporate holier than thou demeanor. Now there will be those that say Microsoft has been far worse in the past, and that's true, but not when it comes to Video games, not to Sony's degree.

The way Sony has intimidated Studios to support blu-ray. The way Sony lies worse, and more often, than anyone in the industry. The way they consistently try to come up with their own proprietary format they are ultimately in charge of and force us all to adopt it has finally sent me over the edge.

I took ALL of my PS2 games (Except the one I helped make) to trade in this week towards Guitar Hero 2, and it felt good.

All of the above, combined with the fact that they'd have to have A LOT of really kick ass exclusive games for me to justify spending $600 for the price admission, pretty much guarantees I will never buy a PS3.[/quote]

Fair enough from your perspective... but I have a hard time believing these are the feelings of all the people that diss the playstation 3.
 
[quote name='Apossum']well then, add in $100 for the 360 wireless solution and you'll pay $779 to get it up to spec with a 60gb ps3.[/quote]

But on the bright side you'll have a selection of great games to play, not just an unremarkable FPS and a racing game with only 8 tracks.
 
[quote name='benjamouth']But on the bright side you'll have a selection of great games to play, not just an unremarkable FPS and a racing game with only 8 tracks.[/QUOTE]


yep. no other PS3 games are going to come out ever. Tekken, VF5, Flow, and Oblivion are great games. and you have the best system of the last gen and the gen before in there as well.
 
[quote name='Apossum']yep. no other PS3 games are going to come out ever. Tekken, VF5, Flow, and Oblivion are great games. and you have the best system of the last gen and the gen before in there as well.[/quote]

Mmm good point, because obviously the thing I want most out of a new console is the ability to play games from two generations ago, thats top of the list.

Unfortunately all I have is a console with a great selection of games, including quite a few system exclusives, damnit !! Messed up there.

I agree Oblivion is a great game, how's Shivering Isles looking on the PS3 version again............?
 
[quote name='Apossum']Tekken, VF5, Flow, and Oblivion are great games[/QUOTE]
Oh yeah, Oblivion. I had good times playing that over the last year.

And now I've moved on to Shivering Isles.

Perhaps you guys will get that eventually and "catch up". Tell me when you do, and maybe I'll still remember Shivering Isles and we can talk about it.
 
Regarding the 65nm chips, IBM is supposedly going to have a 45nm process soon, although considering how far behind they are getting this to 65nm I'm not holding my breath.

[quote name='gizmogc']I will get the new Black 360 if I can transfer everything (including my 30+ Arcade titles) over to my new Xbox. I should have no trouble selling my original, modded 360 with those 360 titles still on the HD and be able to purchase a new 360 for a bit more.[/QUOTE]

You can redownload stuff to the new 360 (and transfer saves on a memory card), but the content you "purchased" will be forever tied to the original unit. You can't use any of it unless you're connected to the Live service the entire time. That's why I won't buy any downloadable content until they switch to a more reasonable iTunes-like model, where you can authorize and deauthorize a unit at will.

[quote name='thrustbucket']Mostly because of the case. It's not designed to accompany a power supply AND cool it enough.[/quote]

That's why they should redesign the system.

I think Microsoft tried really hard on the aesthetics of the 360 (Just watch the included video on it's hard drive about it).
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They go on and on about asthetics prior to the things launch, but IMO it's the ugliest of the three systems. Especially when you have to have a gigantic power brick sitting next to it. It looks neither small, nor sleek, and having a huge power brick that can't be set on carpet, with a short cord and it's own internal fan makes the 360 take up considerably more space than the PS3. I can set a PS3 and Wii in roughly the same amount of space.

[quote name='thrustbucket']No, lots of people don't care about the upgrade.

This new system is really only for three groups of people:
1) Those that believe they absolutely must have an HDMI port for whatever reason.
2) People that will be buying new consoles for the IPTV initiative.
3) Metrosexual gamers that like to color coordinate and perfer black.

If you don't fall into one of the above categories, you likely don't care.[/QUOTE]

The IPTV thing should work on all 360s. I don't care about black (prefer white, all things being equal), but I'm interested in this new unit just because it may be quieter.

[quote name='pinoy530']Anyone else not like the black color? Reminds me of the nasty looking original xbox. Although I 'll probably be getting it, I'd rather have a white one.[/QUOTE]

Me. Black is boring. Everything's black, so I buy other colors when they're available. (Heck, that's why I bought the purple Gamecube at launch :D )

[quote name='propeller_head']well the pricing is relative to the volume that they sell. if they dont sell a whole lot its going to be more expensive because it has to encorporate more of the R&D, packaging, & distribution per unit. memory cards arent really that popular for the 360 & memory in general costs more than HDDs. but $100 is just a crazy price for a 20GB drive. i suspect its that way because they dont sell many of them.[/quote]

What R&D? It's a 5400RPM notebook drive slapped in an enclosure. And R&D for the enclosure should be recouped.

[quote name='mykevermin']
So, it's confirmed to be a longstanding third SKU, and not limited? Well, shit. Any interest I had in it (and I am interested despite my skepticism) is gone. I won't be buying anything until that smaller processor is standard in all 360 units.[/quote]

Yeah, me too. I'm really waiting for a major redesign. New chips, integrated power supply hopefully, and an emphasis on QUIET like Sony had.

I don't know what's taking so long. Is IBM really this far behind? Probably...they were pretty sad back when Mac users had to wait for them to catch up with Intel.
 
[quote name='PyroGamer']Oh yeah, Oblivion. I had good times playing that over the last year.

And now I've moved on to Shivering Isles.

Perhaps you guys will get that eventually and "catch up". Tell me when you do, and maybe I'll still remember Shivering Isles and we can talk about it.[/QUOTE]

Because a game is no good unless you play it THE DAY IT COMES OUT FOR THE FIRST SYSTEM IT'S OUT FOR :roll:

That's like Apossum saying "Oh, Virtua Fighter 5? That was fun a few months ago, I've moved on to something different" and 360 fans would shit a brick and flame him to death.

And please, touting a $30 DLC that you're stuck with for the rest of eternity isn't really a strong point... but I guess it will probably also be a $30 DLC on the PS3 too, so it's a moot point. But I'm sure someone will say "I never sell my games blah blah I don't care".
 
[quote name='benjamouth']Mmm good point, because obviously the thing I want most out of a new console is the ability to play games from two generations ago, thats top of the list.

Unfortunately all I have is a console with a great selection of games, including quite a few system exclusives, damnit !! Messed up there.

I agree Oblivion is a great game, how's Shivering Isles looking on the PS3 version again............?[/quote]

I have all 3 systems so I can play every game.
Hmm, does that mean I win?
 
[quote name='dallow']I have all 3 systems so I can play every game.
Hmm, does that mean I win?[/QUOTE]

No, because you should only own one and love it to death and never ever acknowledge that the others have any kind of merit to them.
 
[quote name='getmyrunon']No, because you should only own one and love it to death and never ever acknowledge that the others have any kind of merit to them.[/quote]

Damn.
 
[quote name='thrustbucket']I can only speak for myself, but I generally despise Sony now for their heavy handed tactics and general corporate holier than thou demeanor. Now there will be those that say Microsoft has been far worse in the past, and that's true, but not when it comes to Video games, not to Sony's degree.

The way Sony has intimidated Studios to support blu-ray. The way Sony lies worse, and more often, than anyone in the industry. The way they consistently try to come up with their own proprietary format they are ultimately in charge of and force us all to adopt it has finally sent me over the edge.

I took ALL of my PS2 games (Except the one I helped make) to trade in this week towards Guitar Hero 2, and it felt good.

All of the above, combined with the fact that they'd have to have A LOT of really kick ass exclusive games for me to justify spending $600 for the price admission, pretty much guarantees I will never buy a PS3.[/quote]

You hit the nail right on the head. Thats exactly how I feel too. I am a current PSX and PS2 owner but its going to take a hell of al lot to get me to jump on the PS3 bandwagon.

Also nothing on its current library or announced titles have enticed me enough.
 
[quote name='Wolfpup']Yeah, me too. I'm really waiting for a major redesign. New chips, integrated power supply hopefully, and an emphasis on QUIET like Sony had.

I don't know what's taking so long. Is IBM really this far behind? Probably...they were pretty sad back when Mac users had to wait for them to catch up with Intel.[/QUOTE]

I, for one, dont want an intergrated power supply. But something smaller than the current brick would be more user friendly.
 
[quote name='VanillaGorilla']I already have a 360, don't give a crap about HDTV's, and don't need a bigger hardrive, so I couldn't care less about this "Elite" Xbox 360.[/quote]QFT
 
[quote name='DarkYoda']who spends $50 for a sony cable ?

And looking at what was included with my 360 I seriously doubt the Elite is supplying Monster Cables. Like every company they will buy them in bulk from some company in china for like $1.
[/QUOTE]

This is a misconsumption that many have about "digital" cables. Digital cables like HDMI are all created equal as long as you get a picture you will get the same picture as a "Monster cable," the way digital cables work it is all or nothing.

Analog cables are a different case all together, you can get a better picture with better cables.
 
Yeah that was sort of the point. :) Even then though among analog cables I've bought some from dollar stores and friends that spend the big money on Monster can't even tell the difference.
 
Well im gonna buy one for the HDMI mainly but also the extra space. The thought of being future proof also satisfies me. All I have to do is sell my Pro system for $300 or more and I will be doing the same thing as buying the 120 gig hard drive.
 
If you've "purchased" any Live content, I'd wait until Microsoft comes up with a transfer mechanism (if they do). It might require you to still have your old console (to deauthorize it or whatever).
 
Myke, I'm with you on the 3 sku, non-limited fuck-up here by MS. I thought I had it all figured out (see my long post back in this thread somewhere ;)) - that the "limited" strategy at the higher price point was brilliant. If it was truly limited then they could get away with the $480 because hardcore fans and new users (like me) will buy up those limited systems. At the same time, the higher price will help alleviate the anger of the early adopters. Now, though, I dunno... I will still probably get one because I've been waiting for months already and don't think I want to wait until the Fall (at the earliest) for any 65nm redesign. Of course, I'll be kicking myself if I end up with multiple failures like some people. And if this $480 price point is permanent then it is too close to the PS3. It seems at the very least they should have done $450/$350/$250 on the 3 sku's just to provide a bit more separation. Probably Sony will drop the PS3 this Fall and MS will have to match. Oh well, decisions, decisions... I'll probably preorder one as soon as I can, but then think about it for a while before I commit to the preorder. At least now with the non-limited aspect I'm not so anxious to get that preorder done (and won't bother getting it at 2 places to be safe like I was planning before).

The inclusion of an HDMI cable is nice, if true. Sure, it may not be worth $50, but it saves me the time and some expense of getting one (should I actually need one). So, I would value that at $20 to be fair. Question is, how long is it? It isn't useful to me unless it is at least 6 feet, and hopefully longer, as I'm not sure that will cut it with my setup. I already have a DVI cable (since I don't have HDMI anyway) so I actually don't really need it (just need the HDMI/DVI converter). I'm assuming it will work with that. Though, really, I may just go with component for the time being (until I get a new HDTV in a few years).
 
Yeah, having three versions is a little much. I agree with the rest of you, drop the core and replace it with the premium.

It's good business for Microsoft... as the more people who have an HDD, the better chance of getting some dough for marketplace content and Xbox Live.
 
[quote name='thrustbucket']I can only speak for myself, but I generally despise Sony now for their heavy handed tactics and general corporate holier than thou demeanor. Now there will be those that say Microsoft has been far worse in the past, and that's true, but not when it comes to Video games, not to Sony's degree.

The way Sony has intimidated Studios to support blu-ray. The way Sony lies worse, and more often, than anyone in the industry. The way they consistently try to come up with their own proprietary format they are ultimately in charge of and force us all to adopt it has finally sent me over the edge.

I took ALL of my PS2 games (Except the one I helped make) to trade in this week towards Guitar Hero 2, and it felt good.

All of the above, combined with the fact that they'd have to have A LOT of really kick ass exclusive games for me to justify spending $600 for the price admission, pretty much guarantees I will never buy a PS3.[/QUOTE]

The cost of admission I can deal with, and also frustration on proprietary formats (did you buy whole hog into UMD that you were burned or something?).

As for everything else, it's just the most absurd sort of propaganda. You're basing your decision for what companies and what consoles to like based off of their Public Relations? Are you fucking kidding me? Jesus Christ, the whole game industry has you hooked and reeled in!

Let me be clear: I don't believe Peter Moore when he talks about anything; I don't believe Reggie Fils-Aime when he talks about anything; I don't believe Phil Harrisson when he talks about anything.

I look at my TV, I look at my back catalog of games, and I think to myself what consoles I would like for what reasons. I look at forthcoming games, both in-store and digitally, and think to myself what games I want for what reasons. I look at HD movie formats, see what is coming out, and think to myself which console would suit me best.

In the end, each has their own positives and negatives. As a *console*, not as a talking point of PR puppets. It's like being pissed at Republicans as a whole because Tony Snow said something stupid, or giving up on all Democrats because Howard Dean was a nincompoop on too many shows running. It's simply foolish.

I'm sure I'm pegged as a PS3 fanboy around here, but that's because I dare suggest there's something good about the console. Y'know what kind of fanboy I am? I probably get 10 hours of gaming in per week, roughly. Last week it was all 360. 'smatter of fact, I just upgraded my PS3 to the new software (a week or so old now) this afternoon!. My Wii was a fun, fun Zelda: Twilight Princess machine.

I like consoles for the games. Forgive me if I do. Liking a system, anymore, seems to involve this blind unapologetic, and irrational devotion to the console and the company that makes it. I'm not on their payroll like The Mana Knight, so I'm not that guy. I'll happily agree with you that Sony's pricing scheme hurts them dearly. That alone doesn't mean shit. I'll agree with you that MS may have limited the life of their system by sticking with a DVD drive, or that their backwards compatibility is for the fuckin' birds. That doesn't mean I don't have a blast playing Crackdown or Gears of War. As for the Wii...truth be told, I'm kinda sour on that right about now. VC is a one trick pony that's starting to show some staleness with regard to staving off the fact that I'm very unimpressed with the Wii games not titled "Zelda."

The rest of the PR guys can have a E3 circle-jerk and go watch "My Little Pony" as far as I'm concerned. I don't care what they have to say in the slightest, because their job is to bullshit me and bullshit you; why listen to any of it?

Io, MS is in a position where a price drop of the Premium and Core are much more feasible and would so a lot of damage to any comeback Sony wants to try and make, since they (unlike Sony) profit off of those two. I think the Elite is a great idea (and the "limited" idea even better, at least in the short term), but I really question their pricing judgment; they're going up when they should be going down.
 
I predict that there will be a xbox360 Ultimate that comes with wireless, and the Premium will be the base model, since the original will just be phased out altogether because who wants that bone stock crap when you gotta spend just as much or more just to upgrade it to a Premium version. They'll also introduce a xbox360 business suite edition that is more customized to run spreadsheets and documents in 3D with extra backup protection for all your files and demos, and will come with a built in projector to run powerpoint presentations controlled by the wireless controller.


lol actually I just went back to read that last bit and thought the whole projector idea is pretty cool lol. Course it'd have to be mondo expensive and also massive in size if you want to keep up with the HD gaming, unless you're content with juwat watching old disney movies on it...
 
[quote name='imascrub']I predict that there will be a xbox360 Ultimate that comes with wireless, and the Premium will be the base model, since the original will just be phased out altogether because who wants that bone stock crap when you gotta spend just as much or more just to upgrade it to a Premium version. They'll also introduce a xbox360 business suite edition that is more customized to run spreadsheets and documents in 3D with extra backup protection for all your files and demos, and will come with a built in projector to run powerpoint presentations controlled by the wireless controller.[/QUOTE]

They will keep the Core around for sure. I know of people who aren't that well off and their parents got them the Core for Xmas. If they drop it to $250 I'm sure it would sell.
 
[quote name='OGHowie']They will keep the Core around for sure. I know of people who aren't that well off and their parents got them the Core for Xmas. If they drop it to $250 I'm sure it would sell.[/quote]

yea i guess you're right any price drops ms has up their sleeves can only help them "help" consumers make their decision easier, but it doesn't seem like they'll be doing any dropping anytime soon since they're still in the better position compared to Sony. The PS3 can't really touch the premium now that the Elite is around.
 
It's funny that the reaction seems to be largely negative to the Elite (looking at posts on various forums), MS seems to be expecting people to be all over this thing but most reaction seems to be a big "Meh" or "another version of the 360, WTF !!"

IMO it seems over-priced, I don't need a 120 gig drive and it looks bloody awful in black (well matt black anyway, shiny black might have looked nicer).

I think there would have been a more positve buzz created if they made a quieter Premium and dropped the price.

And has everyone seen the supposed restrictions on moving content between drives ?? I think MS may have messed up a bit here.

EDIT Link to supposed HDD restrictions.

http://www.joystiq.com/2007/03/28/new-xbox-360-120gb-hdd-comes-with-a-lot-of-conditions/
 
I got my weekly gamestop newsletter, and there it was! Omg, it looked cool.

But I thought that it was going to retail for 400, the current premium then going to 300?
 
I don't care if it comes gold-plated, has built-in HD-DVD and Blu-Ray support and a one terabyte hard drive, I'm not spending more than $300 for an xbox 360 (and I'm not talking about the core system). I think Microsoft would attract more sales by decreasing the price of the current systems as opposed to adding yet another version that's even more expensive to boot:roll: Add a HD-DVD drive to the price tag and suddenly the price of the PS3 doesn't look too bad anymore...:bomb:
 
[quote name='opportunity777']If you want the extra HDD space and have a Premium already, why don't you try this:

http://www.360-hq.com/xbox-tutorials-17.html

Just pop in a Hitachi or Seagate 7200 RPM SATA drive, and then you're set to go. Although, the 360 HDD is only 5400 RPM, so a slower drive is a viable option.

fuck the Elite Edition.[/QUOTE]
Currently the 360 only supports 20GB partion.

Also, I think the software for the 120GB might be on the bundled disk... so it might not be a dashboard update.
 
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