Dave Perry: Wii appeal will wear off

[quote name='FriskyTanuki']Why does it seem like the media's turning into a bunch of tabloid journalists? "Oh my god, such-and-such developer says X console sucks. Shocking!"

Who cares what this guy thinks about the Wii?[/quote]
In theory, a developer's opinion of a console should mean a lot to gamers, because it could influence whether or not we see games from them on that particular platform. Third-party support is crucial for any platform, but Nintendo especially has had to battle certain stigmas in order to get support in the past. When developers perpetuate negative stereotypes, it could hurt third-party relations.

...of course, Dave Perry is a nutsack who hasn't had a decent hit in a decade, so you're right about this particular situation.
 
[quote name='evilmax17']In theory, a developer's opinion of a console should mean a lot to gamers, because it could influence whether or not we see games from them on that particular platform. Third-party support is crucial for any platform, but Nintendo especially has had to battle certain stigmas in order to get support in the past. When developers perpetuate negative stereotypes, it could hurt third-party relations.

...of course, Dave Perry is a nutsack who hasn't had a decent hit in a decade, so you're right about this particular situation.[/quote]
The last thing I heard about Dave's studio is that they're working on PC MMOs, so his opinion doesn't really represent much of anything related to the Wii right now.

I've seen execs, devs, and other such people make comments about consoles that didn't affect much of anything. EA criticized the PSP in favor of the DS and did they stop developing for it? Hell no. Sega criticized the Wii, but did they stop developing for it? Hell no.
 
[quote name='FriskyTanuki']Why does it seem like the media's turning into a bunch of tabloid journalists? "Oh my god, such-and-such developer says X console sucks. Shocking!"

Who cares what this guy thinks about the Wii?[/quote]zomg SHOCK!
 
[quote name='Crimson_Raven25']ok ok im srry no need for the hate lets not start flaming eachother:)[/quote]

lol ya lets not start sumthing like that lol!1:bouncy:
 
The Wii will stay strong as long as Nintendo keeps supporting it (Games, marketing). And whos to say Nintendo isn't working on a new Wii 2 that has high end graphics to compete with the 360 and PS3. You know they have enough money to do it. Unlike the other consoles, they are making money from each Wii from the start.
 
[quote name='bmulligan']It's nice to believe that everyone will drop everything for high definition graphics. But when only 12-15% of all television owners in the US have HD sets, it doesn't seem very likely that people will do anything to get an HD console. Maybe in another 5 years the market will be large enough for Nintendo to join the HD generation, but now it doesn't make good business sense.

So they're making Wii Fit. I still don't understand how that takes away from "hardcore" gamers. When Sony came out with the Eye Toy did it mean they were ignoring the lardcore? When DDR came out did it mean hardcore fanatics were being neglected? What about Guitar Hero? I think the OP feels neglected becuase they didn't read his mind and come out with the exact game he thought of in his head which is filled with a plethora of new game ideas.

Nintendo is simply expanding the scope of the videogame experience. From their experiment, we'll be able to tell what works and what doesn't. It's a potentially enriching endeavor for everyone. I, for one, have grown tired of the same old L1 R1 L2 R2 up/down/left/right/blue/red/green/yellow remote control mastrubation that's been the standard for 30 years.

Why bash a company for trying something new? New initiatives what we gamers have been clamoring for for years and we'll end up voting for them with dollars. Yea, or nea, we all stand to win when new ideas are brought to the marketplace because, sooner or later, one of them is bound to change the industry for the better.[/quote]

I absolutely agree, this whole "teh hardcore games are dooooomed" scenario is ridiculous. And I'm now using "lardcore" in replace of "hardcore" when referring to those gamers from now on.
 
[quote name='bmulligan']It's nice to believe that everyone will drop everything for high definition graphics. But when only 12-15% of all television owners in the US have HD sets, it doesn't seem very likely that people will do anything to get an HD console. Maybe in another 5 years the market will be large enough for Nintendo to join the HD generation, but now it doesn't make good business sense.
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It is definitely true that lack of HD support won't hurt Nintendo financially to any great extent this generation.

But that doesn't mean that lack of HD games doesn't suck for those of us with HDTVs, nor that it won't be a contributing factor to some long time Nintendo fans like myself possibly jumping ship and ditching the Wii.
 
[quote name='PyroGamer']This "Wii is a fad" thing is the most overblown fad in the industry.[/quote]

Everyone remember Pogs, Pongs or whatever they were called? The cardboard discs from years ago? Even that fad lasted for a few years. All the Wii has to do it the same and by year 5 they can just release the Wii II.
 
[quote name='bmulligan']It's nice to believe that everyone will drop everything for high definition graphics. But when only 12-15% of all television owners in the US have HD sets, it doesn't seem very likely that people will do anything to get an HD console. Maybe in another 5 years the market will be large enough for Nintendo to join the HD generation, but now it doesn't make good business sense.

So they're making Wii Fit. I still don't understand how that takes away from "hardcore" gamers. When Sony came out with the Eye Toy did it mean they were ignoring the lardcore? When DDR came out did it mean hardcore fanatics were being neglected? What about Guitar Hero? I think the OP feels neglected becuase they didn't read his mind and come out with the exact game he thought of in his head which is filled with a plethora of new game ideas.

Nintendo is simply expanding the scope of the videogame experience. From their experiment, we'll be able to tell what works and what doesn't. It's a potentially enriching endeavor for everyone. I, for one, have grown tired of the same old L1 R1 L2 R2 up/down/left/right/blue/red/green/yellow remote control mastrubation that's been the standard for 30 years.

Why bash a company for trying something new? New initiatives what we gamers have been clamoring for for years and we'll end up voting for them with dollars. Yea, or nea, we all stand to win when new ideas are brought to the marketplace because, sooner or later, one of them is bound to change the industry for the better.[/QUOTE]


- not sure your no. is correct say.. 12-15% of the household have the HDTV.. how many of them are using it for gaming purpose? It simply too 'difficult' for the non-tech crowd to sometime even hook up the right cable... so I don't see HDTV as a big factor (again outside of tech crowd) this generation.

- WiiFit is brilliant... it's the trogen horse to get more customer ala Wii sports and hopefully bringing developer ito build new gaming technique...... brilliant move.

- I think Ninty is doing a good job to inject some innovation into the gaming industry.. of course once PS3 price fallen to the more 'reasonable/affordble' then the mass can enjoy the 'traditionaly' gaming as well
 
I hate the Wii, had mine since launch and the only game I have still is Zelda. No interest in buying one of the billions of mini-games, nor do I want another Paper Mario. Here's to hoping some more, meatier games come out.... and soon.
 
[quote name='bigdaddy']Everyone remember Pogs, Pongs or whatever they were called? The cardboard discs from years ago? Even that fad lasted for a few years. All the Wii has to do it the same and by year 5 they can just release the Wii II.[/QUOTE]
I wouldn't call a console that lasts five years a "fad" by any means. Now, maybe the controller design of the Wii will come and go (perhaps to be replaced by more advanced motion control, perhaps not), but most consoles last five years and none have yet been reffered to as "fads".
 
[quote name='dmaul1114']It is definitely true that lack of HD support won't hurt Nintendo financially to any great extent this generation.

But that doesn't mean that lack of HD games doesn't suck for those of us with HDTVs, nor that it won't be a contributing factor to some long time Nintendo fans like myself possibly jumping ship and ditching the Wii.[/QUOTE]

Sorry, but whatever your beef with Nintendo, I don't see many fans -- long time or otherwise -- honestly passing up beloved games because there's no HD support.

I don't know: are there Xbox owners who are thinking about picking up a PS3 because "Halo 3 is cool and all, but without 7.1, forget it"?

[quote name='Chris in Cali']Here's to hoping some more, meatier games come out.... and soon.[/QUOTE]

Metroid does come out in like three weeks, you know.
 
I'm guessing they didn't give him a dev kit, so he feels the need to bash it. Or he wants his name out in the press since no one has talked about him in months since that Racing MMO was announced. He'll double back on his statements, but no one will care. He hasn't done anything notable in years anyway.
 
Now, if this was William "Refrigerator" Perry saying this I'd give it more credence. Dave Perry? I could care less.
 
[quote name='trq']Sorry, but whatever your beef with Nintendo, I don't see many fans -- long time or otherwise -- honestly passing up beloved games because there's no HD support.
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I won't pass up the games for lack of HD, but it does hinder my enjoyment a bit.

But Zelda was still a blast even though it looked pretty crappy and full of jaggies on my set, and Metroid and Mario will be similarly fun.

It's the lack of games (especially interesting non-sequels) COMBINED with the lack of HD that could lead me to ditch the Wii after Mario Galaxy if the upcoming game lineup isn't looking more appealing to me.

If the game lineup is looking better, I'll hold on to it and enjoy the games despite the graphics being only so-so on my 50" HDTV. I'm not a graphics whore by any means, but that said I still can't help but wish that I could have played Zelda with 360/PS3 quality graphics. The game was still great with the crappy graphics it had, but it would have had that little extra something with top notch graphics that would have bumped the experience up a bit for me.
 
[quote name='dmaul1114']I won't pass up the games for lack of HD, but it does hinder my enjoyment a bit.

But Zelda was still a blast even though it looked pretty crappy and full of jaggies on my set, and Metroid and Mario will be similarly fun.

It's the lack of games (especially interesting non-sequels) COMBINED with the lack of HD that could lead me to ditch the Wii after Mario Galaxy if the upcoming game lineup isn't looking more appealing to me.

If the game lineup is looking better, I'll hold on to it and enjoy the games despite the graphics being only so-so on my 50" HDTV. I'm not a graphics whore by any means, but that said I still can't help but wish that I could have played Zelda with 360/PS3 quality graphics. The game was still great with the crappy graphics it had, but it would have had that little extra something with top notch graphics that would have bumped the experience up a bit for me.[/quote]

I just wanted to point out a couple of the games coming out for the 360 and PS3, and by no means am I saying they will be crap, but just as a point of why I am glad we have something like the Wii. If you have the new Game Informer you would have seen these games.

360 - Condemned 2, World In Conflict,

PS3 - Heavenly Sword

Both - Beowulf, Destroy All Humans, Medal of Honor Airborne, Conan, Haze, Dynasty Warriors Gundam

Those were in the Previews section. Now honestly and in my opinion, I can't begin to describe how generic and, guite frankly, boring they look (minus condemned 2). They are the EXACT same type of games that have been seen over and over.

Contrast that with the Wii games coming out - Boogie, Pro Bowling, Mercury Meltdown Revolution, Space Station Tycoon, Carnival Games, Dewy's Adventure, etc..

Now Im not saying all those are going to be good or that all the PS3/360 games are going to be crap, but hell, it's like the 360 and PS3 have got a formula for games and nobody is going to break from that formula. Why would they though as you need to sell half a million games to break even.

So in response to dmaul, I definitely think the "lack" of games runs both ways for people and for the time being it might seem that more people feel the way I do and are getting sick of "generic action title or FPS shooter".
 
To be fair, I think the game lineup on all three consoles is very lackluster and would go as far as to say that next gen has simply sucked so far.

I have no interest in any of the games for the 360, PS3 or Wii that you mentioned above.

Out of announced and released games for the consoles thus far I have an extreme "must buy" type of interest in:

Wii: Zelda, Super Paper Mario, Metroid Prime 3, Mario Galaxy, Smash Brothers Brawl (if it has online play), Mario Kart (if no snaking)

360: Oblivion, Gears of War, Halo 3, Mass Effect, Bioshock, The Darkness, Forza 2

PS3: Final Fantasy XIII games, Ratchet and Clank


I just listed exclusives, and didn't bother with multiplatform titles. Not much exciting me their either other than the usual sports titles (which I'd skip on the Wii as HD graphics are key in sports sims) and Guitar Hero 3 (which I'll get on the PS2 since I already have 2 controllers).

As you can see, I agree that it is slim pickings across the board. The Wii just gets more complaints from me as it was the one I foolishly decided to early adopt rather than just giving this gen 2-3 years to get game libraries built up and have some price drops. It's no worse off than the others, but I do feel it has less potential for me personally as I didn't end up digging motion controls like I thought I would and the aforementioned lack of HD sucks now that I have an HDTV (which I didn't have when I bought the Wii).

At least I learned my lesson finally and will never be a launch buyer of any consoles in the future. Just not worth paying the premium to sit out these game droughts, not to mention you make much less informed decisions about which ones to buy than you can a couple years down the road when more games are out.

At any rate, the point is that I'm not anti-Nintendo, or even anti-Wii. I'm just a vocal gamer that is hugely let down by next-gen thus far, and the Wii gets most of my bitching as it's the only one of the 3 I have right now.

That said, I've been a huge Nintendo fan since the NES and the Wii will definitely get a lot of play this fall with Metroid, Mario and Smash Bros (if it's online).

I'm a bit extra bitter as the controller has a lot of potential for coming up with new franchises for gamers, and not just new franchises for non-gamers like Wii Sports/Wii Fit and Nintendo has yet to give us any indication that any new franchises for us lifelong Nintendo fans.

They are doing a great job getting sequels to to the big franchises out (Zelda, Mario, Metroid, Smash Bros, Mario Kart etc. in the first 18 months is great), but with those and all the spinoffs that I hate (Mario sports, Mario Party etc.) and the non gamer stuff (brain age, wii fit etc.) it's hard to see them devoting much attention to coming up with cool new games/franchises for the hard core gamer.

Maybe they'll prove me wrong, but I don't have high hopes as the DS hasn't really saw any "new" games for the hardcore from Nintendo. Third parties have filled that void, and it likely will be up to them to do the same on the Wii IMO.
 
Last time Dave Perry was relevant was in the hey days of Earthworm Jim, so take his comments with a grain of salt. He is in no way an industry icon. He's much of icon as Jimmiemac is.
 
MDK sucked. Dave Perry is an idiot. HD is a big deal. Lack of support won't affect Wii sales much, but makes people like me wonder why alleyways in the Godfather look straight out of Doom.
 
[quote name='dmaul1114']I won't pass up the games for lack of HD, but it does hinder my enjoyment a bit.

But Zelda was still a blast even though it looked pretty crappy and full of jaggies on my set, and Metroid and Mario will be similarly fun.

It's the lack of games (especially interesting non-sequels) COMBINED with the lack of HD that could lead me to ditch the Wii after Mario Galaxy if the upcoming game lineup isn't looking more appealing to me.

If the game lineup is looking better, I'll hold on to it and enjoy the games despite the graphics being only so-so on my 50" HDTV. I'm not a graphics whore by any means, but that said I still can't help but wish that I could have played Zelda with 360/PS3 quality graphics. The game was still great with the crappy graphics it had, but it would have had that little extra something with top notch graphics that would have bumped the experience up a bit for me.[/QUOTE]

What do you think the Big N will do when they finally get to HD graphics? Honestly I bet they go through a period where they "Redo" the games in High Def and sell a shit ton of copies all over again. It makes perfect sense actually.
 
[quote name='dmaul1114']At least I learned my lesson finally and will never be a launch buyer of any consoles in the future. Just not worth paying the premium to sit out these game droughts, not to mention you make much less informed decisions about which ones to buy than you can a couple years down the road when more games are out.

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I have learned this also and won't buy a system even close to launch ever again. Not that I don't feel there are no games to play on the Wii, byt I am cheap and I really hate even paying $25 for a game. So there really is no point in buying a system early.
 
I could easily see that coming especially with peoples tendancy to rebuy nintendo games like the zelda and metroid series.
 
[quote name='dmaul1114']At least I learned my lesson finally and will never be a launch buyer of any consoles in the future. Just not worth paying the premium to sit out these game droughts, not to mention you make much less informed decisions about which ones to buy than you can a couple years down the road when more games are out.
[/quote]If it makes you feel any better, the Wii will likely hold its value better from launch than most consoles, so depending on when you would have eventually picked it up, you aren't paying too much of a premium on the hardware side.
 
Little late, but Dave Perry's argument is stupid. I hope improved graphics isn't really the "something new" because that's going to get old really fast.

Sounds to me like he's working for the Microsoft hype machine.
 
[quote name='botticus']If it makes you feel any better, the Wii will likely hold its value better from launch than most consoles, so depending on when you would have eventually picked it up, you aren't paying too much of a premium on the hardware side.[/QUOTE]

That is true. It's more the game drought, combined with obviously not having a library of $20 or less games that makes launch buying not very attractive to me these days.

But you're right about price. At least it was only $250. And I suppose it's a good thing that the 360 is $400 and the PS3 $600 (now $500 for a while) as they priced them out of my range and reduced any temptation I had to early adopt them. :D
 
[quote name='dmaul1114']That is true. It's more the game drought, combined with obviously not having a library of $20 or less games that makes launch buying not very attractive to me these days.

But you're right about price. At least it was only $250. And I suppose it's a good thing that the 360 is $400 and the PS3 $600 (now $500 for a while) as they priced them out of my range and reduced any temptation I had to early adopt them. :D[/QUOTE]

Yeah good thing you only wasted $250 on the Wii instead of $400 or $600. Well maybe next time you can do the right thing.
 
I love the people saying "Wii sucks, because there's no games!" more than the "Wii is a fad." people, because they are the same people that sold their DS's back in the first months after its release.

And we all know how that went.
 
Well no shit that the Wii isn't the ULTIMATE execution of a natural human interface to gaming. But it's sure as hell the best executed so far on a wide, commercially successful scale.

On people dropping their Wiimotes when the next big shooter, or JRPG comes to 360 or PS3... I doubt it. It seems to me that a great deal of people like the Wii due to the control method above all else. It's just like with the DS, PSP has way better graphics, but the DS just has so much unique appeal the PSP can't match due to the lack of touchscreen.

That's how I see it, and hell, I own a 360, PS3 and have barely touched the Wii... so that should kill a lot of possible fanboy bias. Sure do love that sillyass DS though.
 
[quote name='Rig']I love the people saying "Wii sucks, because there's no games!" more than the "Wii is a fad." people, because they are the same people that sold their DS's back in the first months after its release.

And we all know how that went.[/QUOTE]

I held on to my DS, and was glad I did. And I've held on to my Wii hoping we'll see the same turn around.

Again, as I said above, the main lesson I learned is that buying at launch is for suckers.

From now on I'm never buying game hardware until:

1. There has been a price drop.
2. There are some $20-30 games available.
3. There is at least 5, and preferably 10, personal "must buy" games on the platform.
 
[quote name='dmaul1114']Again, as I said above, the main lesson I learned is that buying at launch is for suckers.

From now on I'm never buying game hardware until:

1. There has been a price drop.
2. There are some $20-30 games available.
3. There is at least 5, and preferably 10, personal "must buy" games on the platform.[/quote]

I bought my Wii at launch, and did not regret it one bit.
1. My thanksgiving week/christmas time was a lot more fun than it would have been otherwise. Not sure how to put a price on that.
2. Price drops usually happen 6 months-1 year after a console's launch. In the case of the Wii, it will probably be a $50 drop. I'd much rather pay the $50 and be able to enjoy the system for the 6 months-1 year
3. I watched the deals closely and was able to get the majority of my games for ~$25 (mostly via the EB games trade 2/get 1)
4. 'Must have' games are very subjective. I would agree that there are very few games out on the Wii that will be looked at years later, thinking "that was one of the best games I've ever played." However, I've enjoyed the majority of the games I've tried. I think people are sometimes too quick to write off Wii games before even trying them.

I don't expect everyone to have the same experience I did, but buying at launch for suckers? I say next time enjoy your $50 savings, and I'll keep having fun on my new system.
 
To each their own.

1. Guitar Hero II dominated my Thanksgiving and X-mas parties.

2. It's not so much the money saved vs. just paying a premium for hardware that for the past few launches has had very few games I wanted the first year or two anyway.

3. The big Nintendo games seldom go on sale, I refuse to shop in the game stores, and I don't like to hassle with tracking down deals. Price drops on games are much easier.

4. That's why I said "personal must have games." For me, the Wii has had Zelda and to a lesser extent, SPM. Nothing else I want that I haven't already played (i.e. RE4). A few games like Warioware I may pick up at $20 or less, or may just skip for good.

Again, different strokes for different folks. From now on I'll wait and buy consoels a few years behind and enjoy the hell out of personal AAA rated games that I scored for $10-20. I have just as much fun playing a game that's been out for a couple of years (or even 10 years) as I would playing it the day it comes out.

Other's will pay full price for a console, $50-60 for games to have the latest and greatest toy on the block and will similarly enjoy the hell out of them.

To each their own.
 
Fair enough. But I think maybe instead of saying "buying at launch is for suckers," you meant "buying at launch isn't for me" - the difference being the acknowledgement that others have different preferences.

For me, part of it is having the latest toy (I'm a technophile at heart), but the other part is opening my gaming options up. If I want, I can play the great last gen games, or if a new game comes out for the latest console, I have the option of playing that as well. Of course I pay a premium for that option, but that's why I have CAG, helping me close the gap between current gen and last gen game prices.
 
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