Dragon Quest IV Nerfed: Official Thread

[quote name='laaj']No you haven't. On previous posts on this thread you stated that party talk had more than half of text in the game. Which goes to show how you tend to exaggerate.[/QUOTE]
How do you suggest she prove it?
 
[quote name='pete5883']How do you suggest she prove it?[/quote]

Show us how much text Japanese version's party talk feature has. There are entire game scripts on gamefaqs and there has to be something like that for DQ4 somewhere. Even if we wouldn't be able to understand it, we'll know how much we'll be missing.

Edit>If script for entire game is unreasonable, 1 chapter length or even half or third of a chapter if party feature really contain that much texts.
 
[quote name='laaj']Show us how much text Japanese version's party talk feature has. There are entire game scripts on gamefaqs and there has to be something like that for DQ4 somewhere. Even if we wouldn't be able to understand it, we'll know how much we'll be missing.

Edit>If script for entire game is unreasonable, 1 chapter length or even half or third of a chapter if party feature really contain that much texts.[/QUOTE]

:roll: Yes, people put game scripts on GameFAQs, but those are taken from cutscenes. No one ever takes every piece of NPC dialog from the game and puts it on GameFAQs. The party talk is essentially an entire game's worth of NPC dialog. Obviously, no one does it for just half a chapter, either. Which would be inconsistent anyway, since 1-4 are so short, and 5 is so long.
 
[quote name='Dead of Knight']Proof? Go fuck yourself. I've posted several threads regarding the issue from third-party sources about how much has been cut. My boyfriend has played the remake and has constantly been telling me how awesome and complete this feature is. I've posted more than enough proof; it's obvious you're just trolling by now. [/QUOTE]

Wow, I feel sorry for your boyfriend. The lack of social skills you're displaying here means you can't be very pleasant to be around. Nobody is trolling here, and your attempts at getting everyone riled up about this change in the game have obviously met with very limited success. Still buying.
 
Why do people care so much about the removal of this one mechanic?

You actually have to activate it yourself, right? Well, chances are I would've gone through the whole game without even knowing about it. I think I only used the party talk function twice in DQVIII. Did DQV (PS2) and VI (SNES) have a party talk function? Because I've played through most of them and never came across it.

I really couldn't care less, and I'm still looking forward to this game. In fact, I've already pre-ordered this game (the US version) a few days ago and have absolutely no regrets.
 
Damn, guys, people are getting a little hostile, don't you think? Sure, DoK is being a little more outspoken on the issue than most of us seem to think is necessary, but I support her decision and I think it freakin' sucks they got rid of it. I'm just too excited about it to let it alter my purchase.

Considering DoK has been talking about this game since the JP version was announced and nothing more than 1 or 2 small scans from Famitsu (and sharing in my excitement for it!), I think she has every right to feel slighted by this move, especially since she's the only one in this thread (as far as I know, if not please correct me) who's had a chance to see the Party Talk 1st-hand in the original version and knows what kind of value it put in the game for her.

It's easy to say we don't care enough about something we never had. But for someone who's had a chance to enjoy it (albeit through a translator, in bits and pieces) it sucks to know they got rid of it.

So how about we have a lot less of this :argue:, and a whole lot more of this :grouphug:

And if that's too much for you, then kindly :ziplip:!
 
[quote name='johnnypark']Damn, guys, people are getting a little hostile, don't you think? Sure, DoK is being a little more outspoken on the issue than most of us seem to think is necessary, but I support her decision and I think it freakin' sucks they got rid of it. I'm just too excited about it to let it alter my purchase.

Considering DoK has been talking about this game since the JP version was announced and nothing more than 1 or 2 small scans from Famitsu (and sharing in my excitement for it!), I think she has every right to feel slighted by this move, especially since she's the only one in this thread (as far as I know, if not please correct me) who's had a chance to see the Party Talk 1st-hand in the original version and knows what kind of value it put in the game for her.
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Firstly, she's being really nerdy. That's okay, I can live with it. But she insulted someone who asked for proof of her outlandish and exaggerated claims. That's rude and illogical. It kinda ties back to the nerdiness thing. The idea that someone wouldn't care about that feature's removal seems to make her angry. I just jumped in because I didn't like Laaj being treated so badly.
 
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I agree that it sucks that Japan gets a more complete version. But the game is long enough on its own and I am sure most people would not spend several additional hours ready text.

It also may have delayed the release longer if Square took the time to translate the party talk feature.
 
[quote name='johnnypark']Considering DoK has been talking about this game since the JP version was announced and nothing more than 1 or 2 small scans from Famitsu (and sharing in my excitement for it!), I think she has every right to feel slighted by this move, especially since she's the only one in this thread (as far as I know, if not please correct me) who's had a chance to see the Party Talk 1st-hand in the original version and knows what kind of value it put in the game for her.[/QUOTE]

No one in this thread has actually seen the Party Talk feature firsthand, not even DoK: "My boyfriend has played the remake and has constantly been telling me how awesome and complete this feature is". I guess it does mean more to her, but as far as I'm concerned, that's just another person on the Internet telling us how American gamers get ripped off.

Japanese gamers have always paid to pay more for their games than us. Period. I'm not even talking about the Final Fantasy International or Kingdom Hearts Final Mix kind of editions - their standard releases usually cost more than ours, even for domestic titles. Dragon Quest is probably the most popular series there, so it makes sense that they'd want to do things right. Personally, I would've still been peeved to pay $40 for Dragon Quest even if it had the Party Talk feature, so $30 for it without is a fair compromise.
 
[quote name='whitereflection']No one in this thread has actually seen the Party Talk feature firsthand, not even DoK: "My boyfriend has played the remake and has constantly been telling me how awesome and complete this feature is". I guess it does mean more to her, but as far as I'm concerned, that's just another person on the Internet telling us how American gamers get ripped off.
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He has played the game in front of me. I have even seen the final boss in the remake if you would like me to spoil that for you.

Thank you, johnnypark, for your thoughtful posts. I'm not trying to make any enemies here, but I will defend myself.
 
Question. Is the party talk feature in the NES (US) version of DW/DQ IV? If it is, then I'm bummed about it being removed. If not, then I'd never know it was gone and I couldn't care less.
 
Dragon Quest 1 and 2 were some of the best memories of my gaming life. Screw DQ4, where is my DQ 1 & 2 remake?

But honestly, I am finding it hard to be excited or angered in any way by a remake of a PS1 remake of a NES game.
 
[quote name='Zing']where is my DQ 1 & 2 remake?
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Try the GBC version. Both 1 & 2 on the same cart and they did a nice job on porting it. DW3 on GBC was iffy to me because they added personality stats.

Edit>Since you don't like how DQ4 is port of PS1 version, not sure how much you'll like the fact that GBC versions were a port of Super Famicon ports.
 
[quote name='laaj']Probably because RPGamer reviewer didn't think this feature was notable to even mention. You keep mentioning how much dialogue the party talk feature has on Japanese DS version without any proof. Some screen caps would be nice.

I personally find all this amusing. A feature almost nobody on US has ever seen or heard of is worth mentioning. All this are minor issues compared to why Square-Enix changed the perfectly fine Japanese scripts to English. How dare they change that! :roll:[/quote]

That would be hard to tell without having said Japanese characters translated into English. It would be quite hard to judge the length in English, assuming there is lots of kanji used. Plus if you want to be really poetic and are really verbose, you can make even simple japanese sentences seem long winded in Englsih. I know the joy of kanji, I'm currently taking my third semester in college and it's merely a course I'm taking for fun (6 credits, too, ^_^).

Considering that these features weren't in the ORIGINAL version of DQ4 on the NES, I don't think it's that bad. This is after all a remake, and it is at their discretion what "additional" content to add, and even though the party talk feature is present in the Japanese remake, it is still *additional* content. Regrettable and disappointing, perhaps. A shame undoubtedly. However, I just don't think this cripples the package, but rather prevents it from being optimized/enhanced as much as it could have.

Hopefully if they get enough feedback, maybe we'll see the feature in the next two DS remakes. However, it still won't prevent me from getting the games because I am thrilled that they are being brought over here.
 
[quote name='yayece']Man, how disappointing. Square-Enix really has a stranglehold on these things. I find it unfortunate that they have such a loyal fanbase. S-E can do whatever it wants and the fans will eat it up, thinking "OMG, we're getting DQ!!!11!one!!" $40, blah. Removed content, blah. I really don't have much time or patience for RPGs anymore, (FF4,5,6 for GBA are still sitting in my queue, unopened) so I think I'll pass on DQ4 for now.[/quote]

I've refused to buy several square games because of bad design. FF12 for instance with the apparently obnoxious way you have to get equipment. Randomly generated treasure chest content my ass. whose idea was that!? Battle through the obnoxiously hard boss, or two, and win your prize, a Potion. Screw that.

Now, on the other hand I've followed the Tales games since Tales of Destiny. The first one released in America. Which had had the skit system removed for whatever reason. Now I love the skits in Tales of Symphonia and Tales of the Abyss, especially anything that involves Jade, but they're not important. Now there are several Tales games that didn't make it to America and if translating the skits is what's keeping us from getting Tales of Destiny 2 then screw them they're not that important to me.

It's the same here. I've already said I consider Dragon Warrior 4 to be one of the greatest games ever made. Despite the idiot AI. It's the only game I ever stayed home from shcool to play. If the Party Talk isn't there so be it, I'll be here when the Party Talk comes back and I'll still be here when they leave it out again in the future. I hate it, but the game is more important.
 
[quote name='darkcecil32']Hopefully if they get enough feedback, maybe we'll see the feature in the next two DS remakes. However, it still won't prevent me from getting the games because I am thrilled that they are being brought over here.[/QUOTE]
I was thinking I'd only buy DQV if they put party talk back in, but isn't V the one where your whole party is monsters?
 
[quote name='pete5883']I was thinking I'd only buy DQV if they put party talk back in, but isn't V the one where your whole party is monsters?[/quote]

No, that's the Dragon Quest Monsters series. DQV introduced monster recruitment, but it's an optional part of the game.
 
I know the difference between DQM and DQV. But I haven't seen a single DQV screenshot that shows a human party member:

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etc.
 
I guess "optional" isn't the right word. It's a major part of the game and actually ties in with the story. But you are able to create a party consisting of only humans eventually.
 
[quote name='Moxio']DWIII remake! :whee:[/QUOTE]


they did it already for the gameboy : )

LOVE TO SEE If it would fit


Dragon quest 1 2 3 on one DS game ..

or
Dragon quest 1 2 3 4 on one PSP and 5 and 6 on another ..
 
[quote name='Masterkyo']So far Dragon Quest 4/5/6/9 on DS. Now if they can re-make 1/2/3/7 on DS is will be very nice ;)[/QUOTE]

only took what 5 or 6 years to see DQ 4-6 come out after being told they were being made. by the time they get ready to make 1-3 nintendo will have a new system out

Too bad you cant play gameboy games on the Ds cause you could take DQ 1--6 on the road with the ds
 
So I went out to try and grab the game, but apparently the only store in town to have a copy must have decided to raise the Square-Enix tag even higher. My local Walmart had the game tagged (and subsequently it scanned at) $49.88.

In retrospect, I'm now just going to order it from Circuit City and wait the few days.
 
[quote name='josh_animebum']So I went out to try and grab the game, but apparently the only store in town to have a copy must have decided to raise the Square-Enix tag even higher. My local Walmart had the game tagged (and subsequently it scanned at) $49.88.

In retrospect, I'm now just going to order it from Circuit City and wait the few days.[/quote]

$50?!! geez....

I think mine shipped from Amazon... got the guide today.
 
Started playing this one this morning after putting down the shallow Spore Creatures (and dabbling a bit in Mystery Case Files: MillionHeir, which is more amusing than one would think). Put about a half hour into the game, and I definitely waxed nostaligic for a bit. Although I've never played a Dragon Quest game, I did play Dragon Warrior Monsters extensively as a teen, and I rather enjoyed hearing the old familiar sound effects and seeing the monsters of yore. Hard to say if the game will hold up, especially since I played such a good chunck of FFIV, and that one's hard to top.
 
They removed what I call the RAPEICULTY in this game. In less then six hours, I"m already in Chapter 4. It took that much time just to beat the first chapter in the US while maybe working on the second chapter. Fights move much quicker, you get a lot more experience, you do more damage, you take less damage, you're paid more gold and you seem to get more things from battles. The fact that you don't make mexican wages from battles makes the game a lot faster.
 
Got mine from CC with the gift card after telling the cashier that it comes with one. Played through the first chapter so far and it does seem like its going pretty fast. I did the first chapter in just under an hour. The game is really fun and the accents add to the personality of the characters. Can't wait to play more... its been so long since I've finished DW IV on the NES.
 
[quote name='chair_home']Played through the first chapter so far and it does seem like its going pretty fast. I did the first chapter in just under an hour.[/quote]

From the different reviews I've read, it seems the first chapters which introduce the different characters are on the shorter side, while the final chapter which merges them all together into a party is considerably longer.
 
I have to agree with DoK with this one. I'm not interested in this game but I think lots of RPGs could benefit from a party talk-like feature. It'd be cool if characters would actually interact with each other while they're running around the world instead of just in between battles and cutscenes. I really liked the scenes in CT where characters would just talk to each other around a campfire.

It makes a hell of a lot more sense than characters suddenly talking about their love lives after a massive boss battle.
cough FFVI cough

Anyways I'd be mad too if one of my most anticipated games had a feature cut, no matter how minor.
 
[quote name='pete5883']I was thinking I'd only buy DQV if they put party talk back in, but isn't V the one where your whole party is monsters?[/quote]

Sorry, I have no clue. DQ 7,8 and DQ/DW1 are the only Dragon Quest games that I have ever played. If what you said is true, DQ5 may be the "bastard child" of the series ala FF5 and the job system.
 
[quote name='josh_animebum']So I went out to try and grab the game, but apparently the only store in town to have a copy must have decided to raise the Square-Enix tag even higher. My local Walmart had the game tagged (and subsequently it scanned at) $49.88.

In retrospect, I'm now just going to order it from Circuit City and wait the few days.[/QUOTE]

LOL!

Yeah, the first four chapters are very short. The real meat of the game is Chapter 5 and Chapter 6 is like an epilogue, so no worries. Keep posting impressions, guys, I'm looking forward to reading them even though I won't be getting the game for a while.
 
I bought this game yesterday.
I'm only an hour or so into it, but I like it so far.
Circuit City didn't have it, Best Buy didn't have it, but Fry's came through.
 
So it looks like my NES version will hold value then?
Party talk was in the original NES version? It's been so long since I booted up my NES so I can't remember.

I do remember paying $40 for the NES cart and was like "Damn, did I just pay $40 for a NES game?"
 
[quote name='Dead of Knight']Pricematch probably.[/QUOTE]
I was under the impression that BB didn't match GC offers. I guess it all depends on your cashier.
[quote name='Monsta Mack']So it looks like my NES version will hold value then?
Party talk was in the original NES version? It's been so long since I booted up my NES so I can't remember.[/QUOTE]
No, it was not in the NES version.
 
[quote name='pete5883']I was under the impression that BB didn't match GC offers. I guess it all depends on your cashier.
[/quote]They'll pricematch anything when you sound more knowledgeable than them. ;) ASM called over to the SM and they put it through for $29.99.

I hope Seeds of Strength are easy to come by... apparently you can only carry two items at a time, and they're thrown out when you get new items? So my Seed of Strength, Antidote, and a Medicine herb or two were lost as I was exploring the initial areas last night.
 
[quote name='pete5883']I was under the impression that BB didn't match GC offers. I guess it all depends on your cashier.
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Depends on how you explain it. I didn't do it for this, but you could always bring up that they did do the GC price match with TRU for Mario Galaxy.

[quote name='slidecage']chapter 2 SNOWMAN is a SOB... its pure luck if you hit it or not. Lost 5 times in a row and getting pissed LOL[/QUOTE]

Yes. The "trick" is to keep attacking the same one. Chances are you'll hit it once every so often (better chances than if you randomly picked a different one each round), and as long as you keep healing, you'll eventually get through it. That was one of the more annoying fights though.

[quote name='botticus']I hope Seeds of Strength are easy to come by... apparently you can only carry two items at a time, and they're thrown out when you get new items? So my Seed of Strength, Antidote, and a Medicine herb or two were lost as I was exploring the initial areas last night.[/quote]

... No? You can carry a lot more than two items. I think its more around 16 or 20. Check your bag (looks like a sack), or maybe you just didn't press "right" when looking at your item list to go to the next page? You will never lose items without the game asking you if you want to throw it out (I think)
 
[quote name='Paco']They removed what I call the RAPEICULTY in this game. In less then six hours, I"m already in Chapter 4. It took that much time just to beat the first chapter in the US while maybe working on the second chapter. Fights move much quicker, you get a lot more experience, you do more damage, you take less damage, you're paid more gold and you seem to get more things from battles. The fact that you don't make mexican wages from battles makes the game a lot faster.[/quote]

Ha, I remember doing battles for an hour just to save up for the Chain Mail, just to go into the cave to find Healy. By the time you get him you've spent 3 hours in Ragnar's quest alone!
 
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