Elder Scrolls IV: Oblivion Recalled? ESRB rating changes from T to M

[quote name='Snake2715']It wasnt so much about me being or even trying to be a dick to be honest. It wasnt even a insult to you. It was when I went into "new" posts I see yours with the mentioned title then right below it is this thread and at that time you were the last poster in this thread.. It was just ironic.[/quote]

Well you are still a dick because I didn't understand you. Dick. ;)



Sorry.:applause:

EDIT: I just lost 3 karma for trolling on GFaqs. That site is on the fucking ball. What a piece of shit that site is. I asked why the game is being recalled. Fanboys are rabbid on the forums there.
 
the recall I believe is not for in-game problems but for ratings.

I work at TRU, and since yesterday my manager told me that the rating on Oblivion has been changed, so we have to check ID's for it. It might've been recalled to get the rating on the box changed, but we kept our Xbox 360 copies. We were just told to ask for ID from anyone who looks under 17. I wasn't told of anything related to sending back copies of the game. I'll probably ask today.

Hopefully news comes out to confirm or deny any of this.
 
A quick search on the ESRB website states that the game is now rated M.
http://www.esrb.org/ratings/search.jsp

Check out the new boxarts with the M rating from CC:

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I don't think this game should be rated 'M.' So there is blood and cult talk, so what? Is a politician gonna slap a censor over someone with a papercut?
 
Rating description of PC Version now:

Blood and Gore, Language, Nudity, Sexual Themes, Use of Alcohol, Violence



I'm guessing that "Nudity" wasn't there on the "T" version.



Xbox 360 Version:

Blood and Gore, Language, Sexual Themes, Use of Alcohol, Violence

Hmm... I don't have my copy in front of me so I don't remember if that's what was there originally or not.
 
http://www.gamasutra.com/php-bin/news_index.php?story=9159

In a major announcement, the Entertainment Software Rating Board (ESRB) has changed the rating assigned to the game The Elder Scrolls IV: Oblivion from T (Teen 13+) to M (Mature 17+), following the revelation of a topless game skin contained within the game.

According to the ESRB itself: "The content causing the ESRB to change the rating involves more detailed depictions of blood and gore than were considered in the original rating, as well as the presence of a locked-out art file or “skin” that, if accessed through a thirdparty modification to the PC version of the game, allows the user to play with topless versions of female characters."
 
[quote name='shipwreck']Rating description of PC Version now:

Blood and Gore, Language, Nudity, Sexual Themes, Use of Alcohol, Violence



I'm guessing that "Nudity" wasn't there on the "T" version.



Xbox 360 Version:

Blood and Gore, Language, Sexual Themes, Use of Alcohol, Violence

Hmm... I don't have my copy in front of me so I don't remember if that's what was there originally or not.[/quote]

I just checked BB and they still have the Teen description. Here is what it was:

TEEN
Blood and Gore, Language, Sexual Themes, Use of Alcohol, Violence

So it was the same, but they deemed it as mature. The description sure sounds mature to me.
 
[quote name='mykevermin']Oh my. Won't someone tell retailers about fucking *STICKERS*!?!?![/QUOTE]

What, and miss out on publicity?
 
Well at least they're covering their asses about it as soon as possible. RockStar taught everyone how NOT to handle something like this.
 
Yeah but the skins can be made for all sorts of games. The ESRB is going to have fun with this new "rule" arent they. I can imagine people going back and modifying Half life 1 and 2 and making companies pull all of those... Its going to go on forever and pretty soon the M rating wont matter to parents any more..
 
For Christ's sake!! So it just so happens that there's a "realistic" body under the clothing in the game, and some bare skin that there's NO WAY to see in the game without a mod, and THAT's reason enough to add a "nudity" content descriptor?

Bullshit!
 
[quote name='Snake2715']Yeah but the skins can be made for all sorts of games.[/quote]

The skin was included with the game. It's just hidden.

The ESRB is going to have fun with this new "rule" arent they. I can imagine people going back and modifying Half life 1 and 2 and making companies pull all of those.
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It has nothing to do with user created content.

Its going to go on forever and pretty soon the M rating wont matter to parents any more..
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..parents care about the M rating?
 
[quote name='FriskyTanuki']So how long before the "rare" Teen copies appear on eBay?[/quote]

CML for ultra rare Teen rated Collector's Edition, only $90 shipped.
 
I can't believe this. Can't most PC games be modded - it seems like every game has the potential for nudity... well, maybe not Tetris...
 
Cool. I had a feeling it'd be a good idea to pick up my Teen Rated Collector's Edition, even before I got the console. Yeah the 360 Teen version isn't as "bad" as the PC one, but all in all, still cool =)

... total BS that the game is being recalled on these grounds though. And SO VERY RIGHT on the guy that said they oughta just put new rating stickers on the things, YEESH.
 
Wow well that seems like a BS reason to recall such a popular title, but at least we seemingly got to the bottom of this thing and I know there's not some kind of terrible glitch that would make my 360 implode or something.
 
[quote name='Scorch']The skin was included with the game. It's just hidden.



It has nothing to do with user created content.



..parents care about the M rating?[/QUOTE]

Didnt know this thanks.
 
Hey wait a second though, now this maybe be CC being an idiotic company which is normal, but we had to pull the 360 versions as well and according to the ESRB press it says the content in question is inaccesible on the 360 versions. They still list it as Mature though, so why the ratings for the 360 version if the content is inaccessible?
 
Bethesda shouldn't have included it in the game. Even if "We never thought someone would find it." Regardless of what they claim, they knew it was in there. And they must have known someone out there would find it.

This is surprising, especially coming from a Take Two company. I don't think the backlash will be that bad either.
 
[quote name='Duo_Maxwell']Hey wait a second though, now this maybe be CC being an idiotic company which is normal, but we had to pull the 360 versions as well and according to the ESRB press it says the content in question is inaccesible on the 360 versions. They still list it as Mature though, so why the ratings for the 360 version if the content is inaccessible?[/QUOTE]

Because the content still exists on the Xbox version even if its inaccessible, is what I gather from the articles.
 
[quote name='Duo_Maxwell']Hey wait a second though, now this maybe be CC being an idiotic company which is normal, but we had to pull the 360 versions as well and according to the ESRB press it says the content in question is inaccesible on the 360 versions. They still list it as Mature though, so why the ratings for the 360 version if the content is inaccessible?[/quote]

I'm sure it has nothing to with the cold blooded killing you have to do in the Dark Brotherhood quest line, or some of the imagery scattered about the land. This game definitely deserves an M rating, I'm not sure how it got by with a T in the first place.
 
It's so ridiculous, you could do this to SO many 3D games. It's part of the freaking model creation process!
 
[quote name='Graystone']I own the game I have not played it much. But I have seen nothing to warrant a recall. I'm thinking this is a mistake on CC part.[/QUOTE]

You fucking buffoon.

[quote name='Vegan']It's so ridiculous, you could do this to SO many 3D games. It's part of the freaking model creation process![/QUOTE]

no its not. there's no difference in making a chest model with or without clothes. a naked model/skin is not needed.
 
[quote name='Vegan']We should throw as many nude mods at the ESRB as we can, and show them how they have no clue.[/QUOTE]

Once again, this is NOT because of a user created mod! This is because the topless texture/model was in the game, regardless of whether or not it was used
 
[quote name='Scorch']Once again, this is NOT because of a user created mod! This is because the topless texture/model was in the game, regardless of whether or not it was used[/quote]

There's got to be plenty of games that use realistic models with separate clothing elements as part of the creation process. And if there's NOT, there's only bound to be more, as games strive to be more anatomically accurate.
 
[quote name='Vegan']There's got to be plenty of games that use realistic models with separate clothing elements as part of the creation process. And if there's NOT, there's only bound to be more, as games strive to be more anatomically accurate.[/QUOTE]

not really.. it's the equivalent to them modeling a topless lara croft or other bits in fight night.. it's just unnecessary. the topless skin suggests that at one point, they were toying with the idea of having a topless woman in it (which isn't that big of a deal - why didn't god of war catch more shit for what was in it?)
 
[quote name='Scorch']the topless skin suggests that at one point, they were toying with the idea of having a topless woman in it (which isn't that big of a deal - why didn't god of war catch more shit for what was in it?)[/quote]

Because nothing makes any sense anymore.
 
OH MY GOD TEH BOOBIES! Ok, now that thats out of the way, do they know what the internet is? I can go to google and type boobs to get far worst stuff then a texture on a model. Plus its just a naked person, some people consider that art, its not like the characters are butt humping while the horse watches.
 
[quote name='secretvampire']Just another example of how the religious zealots are fucking ruining this country. Jesus. Pun intended.[/quote]
You're a fool.

[quote name='Scorch']not really.. it's the equivalent to them modeling a topless lara croft or other bits in fight night.. it's just unnecessary. the topless skin suggests that at one point, they were toying with the idea of having a topless woman in it (which isn't that big of a deal - why didn't god of war catch more shit for what was in it?)[/quote]
I think God of War didn't catch much flack because it was upfront about the content in the game. Between the violence and the nudity it was extremely clear that it wasn't a game intended for kids.
 
[quote name='neocisco']You're a fool.


I think God of War didn't catch much flack because it was upfront about the content in the game. Between the violence and the nudity it was extremely clear that it wasn't a game intended for kids.[/quote]

That and it was already rated "M"

Oh, and neocisco, having that as your location means you need the matching Farley avatar. :lol:

chris.jpg
 
[quote name='Graystone']You can put 100 hours into that game and say you haven't played it alot.
Anything under 150 hours IMO is not playing this game a lot.
Trust me I got a few more years to play this game. :)

Here is an article from joystiq. It was because of the boobs.

http://www.joystiq.com/2006/05/03/hidden-boobies-incite-oblivion-rating-change/[/QUOTE]

And again, you're a fucking buffoon! I'll explain why since you're a bit slow.

I own the game I have not played it much. But I have seen nothing to warrant a recall. I'm thinking this is a mistake on CC part.
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I'm calling you a fucking buffoon right now because, even at this point, it states IN THE TOPIC TITLE that the ESRB has recalled it, why they recalled it, and the questionable content they recalled it for. Yet you reply, even after reading the OP and possibly even a few replies, and state that it's probably an error on Circuit City's part. And then you reply, after we've all had a discussion about the absurdity of the recall because of the boobs, a discussion of other games with boobs in them, and an argument as to whether a nude model is needed when making a character, stating that it was recalled for boobs, thinking you're bringing something new to the thread.

That's why you're a fucking buffoon. Always read other replies before replying.
 
They probably recalled it because of The Dark Brotherhood. Occultic undertones, baby skeletons, a mother's severed head and freshly castrated, jawless corpses.
 
[quote name='Brak']They probably recalled it because of The Dark Brotherhood. Occultic undertones, baby skeletons, a mother's severed head and freshly castrated, jawless corpses.[/QUOTE]

Did you ever find that one chuch where there's a bunch of necro priests or something? They have awesome robes.. but you can pick up a human heart, there's severed legs, there's a hanging person.. it's amazing this game got out with a T rating in the first place.

That reminds me, I do need to do that one mission where you have to stage someone's death in their house.
 
[quote name='Scorch']Did you ever find that one chuch where there's a bunch of necro priests or something? They have awesome robes.. but you can pick up a human heart, there's severed legs, there's a hanging person.. it's amazing this game got out with a T rating in the first place.[/quote]

I know, I read the description on the T rated version and thought the content sure sounded M to me.

It's obvious that Bethesda wanted this game to be T to appeal to a broader audience but in the aftermath of Hot Coffee, you need to make sure you do not have this type of content in a game because you know it is going to be uncovered (no pun intended) at some point. It's dumb, but it is important just to cover your ass from silly stuff like this.

What I don't understand is the ESRB bashing that is going on. Guys, the rating system may be arbitrary and stupid, but without it we would have the politicians deciding on what we should and shouldn't play.
 
I need to get to playing this game. I played it about 10 hours when It came out and then school and girlfriend took over my life. Guess that's what summer is for, though.
 
[quote name='Scorch']Did you ever find that one chuch where there's a bunch of necro priests or something? They have awesome robes.. but you can pick up a human heart, there's severed legs, there's a hanging person.. it's amazing this game got out with a T rating in the first place.
[/quote]

Exactly. I was telling a friend about all this before it was revealed why it was being pulled from shelves and be both agreed that the game was very graphic to have only gotten a T rating. In Oblivion (the realm) there are corpses hanging all over the place, and like Scorch and others have said, along my travels I've found severed arms and legs, a very grotesque severed head (which I put on a plater on the dinner table of my house in Skingard because I'm a sick fuck). That alone would have gotten it an M rating without the b00bs, me thinks.

Anyway, I have no problem with this. It was caught (well, hopefully) before any Jack-ass from south Florida could have made a big fucking deal out of it. I've got my copy and no one is getting their hands on it regardless. Anyone that hasn't bought Oblivion yet is a douche anyway. How can you sleep on a game like this?! Motherfuckers must have forgot...
 
[quote name='Trakan']That and it was already rated "M"

Oh, and neocisco, having that as your location means you need the matching Farley avatar. :lol:

chris.jpg
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Resize it for me and you've got a deal.:)
 
[quote name='Scorch']And again, you're a fucking buffoon! I'll explain why since you're a bit slow.
I'm calling you a fucking buffoon right now because, even at this point, it states IN THE TOPIC TITLE that the ESRB has recalled it, why they recalled it, and the questionable content they recalled it for. Yet you reply, even after reading the OP and possibly even a few replies, and state that it's probably an error on Circuit City's part. And then you reply, after we've all had a discussion about the absurdity of the recall because of the boobs, a discussion of other games with boobs in them, and an argument as to whether a nude model is needed when making a character, stating that it was recalled for boobs, thinking you're bringing something new to the thread.

That's why you're a fucking buffoon. Always read other replies before replying.[/QUOTE]

See the problem your having is you think I give a fuck what you say.
Listen at least I don't patrol these boards ever second of the day with my dick in hand looking for reposts. You think your something special and add something by telling the OP its a repost. In all reality you add nothing but links to links to links of reposts. Last time I checked it was okay to state your opinion thats why threads don't have limits. If you don't like what I say don't fucking read it or stick me on your ignore list. Cause you're on my now.

No matter how late into the game. hell threads on this board get bumped from years ago and people still add their opinion on the two year old subject. I skimmed this thread to see if anyone posted the link to Joystiq no one did. So what I did is give an official reason sorta to why. If you would read and mind your fucking business you would see that it was all speculation until I posted the link. You wanna be technical it wasn't until post #54 by shipwreck that mentioned any nudity. People were talking about the mod before that.

Don't tell me to read all replies I don't have to. This isn't your board and your not a mod. Get over yourself you fucking wannabe. So say what you want while you're at it say hello to my ignore list.
 
If the true purpose of ratings boards is to "protect" minors and serve as an aid for parents to know what their children are using, it is confusing the ESRB grades video games so differently than the alphabet soup org that grades movies.

And in a similar vein, if dvds can get away with unrated editions, why shouldn't games?
 
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