Forget Zen Davis. It's now the "Vader Time" appreciation thread.

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[quote name='Tsel']Genetics.[/QUOTE]
Actually I'm leaning more towards ceds' explanation. I think Brooke musta climbed the ugly tree to get outta her daddies' shadow and fell out of the tree, hitting every branch on the way down.:whistle2:#
 
The earliest Vader exposure that I had was him powerbombing Cactus Jack on the floor - that was pretty crazy for 8 year old me. (and still not too fun watching now)

I'm sure there's a poor quality VHS recording of that Texas Death Match from Halloween Havoc in storage somewhere too.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e6O3ZMwXRr0
 
Stupid Adobe update, it's screwed up my computer and I can't watch anything Flash-based. I'll have to be sure to watch these (eventually).
 
[quote name='mitch079']Vader, Hall of Fame 2013. Book it.[/QUOTE]

Which will be humorous considering he accomplished so little compared to his time with the competition.

WCW: World Heavyweight Champion, booked as a monster.
Japan: All Japan Triple Crown Champion, booked as a monster.
WWE: Beat up Gorilla Monsoon and a Kuwaiti reporter, and called himself a fat piece of shit after losing to Kane, who was booked as a monster.
 
Yeah. Vader never really had all that much success in the then WWF as opposed to other guys who came over from WCW and some of the other smaller feds.

Then again, that was more than likely a case of poor booking, which apparently they haven't learned from.

Even Ron Simmons(Farooq) suffered the same fate. In WCW, he was at least a one time WCW champ. In the WWE/WWF he was a mid carder at best and that was it.:roll:
 
[quote name='IAmTheCheapestGamer']Even Ron Simmons(Farooq) suffered the same fate. In WCW, he was at least a one time WCW champ. In the WWE/WWF he was a mid carder at best and that was it.:roll:[/QUOTE]

Let's give credit where it is due however....

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... at least the WWE gave us that gem.
 
Forget Zen Davis. It's now the "Vader Time" appreciation thread.
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Okay, I'm pulling out the BS card. No offense to Vader, but if we were going to change the name of the topic, why wouldn't we have changed it to honor Owen Hart back when this thread started instead of having it named after some tool who was banned from the forums half a decade ago? Bull.
 
[quote name='Demolition Man']Let's give credit where it is due however....

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... at least the WWE gave us that gem.[/QUOTE]
I put that classic on the same level as the fans yelling "What" for years, even after SCSA was no longer an active guy on the roster.
 
[quote name='IAmTheCheapestGamer']I put that classic on the same level as the fans yelling "What" for years, even after SCSA was no longer an active guy on the roster.[/QUOTE]

"DAMN" never wore its welcome out like "What" has.
 
While he didn't do much as a whole, Faarooq was definitely notable during his time in the APA. IMO, being relevant during the Attitude Era is something rewarding.
 
[quote name='Scorch']That's debatable.[/QUOTE]

Well for a time "DAMN" did get a bit old yes. Compared to "WHAT" however which still gets chanted by the live crowds... yeah "WHAT" got old much quicker.
 
[quote name='IAmTheCheapestGamer']Yeah. Vader never really had all that much success in the then WWF as opposed to other guys who came over from WCW and some of the other smaller feds.

Then again, that was more than likely a case of poor booking, which apparently they haven't learned from.

Even Ron Simmons(Farooq) suffered the same fate. In WCW, he was at least a one time WCW champ. In the WWE/WWF he was a mid carder at best and that was it.:roll:[/QUOTE]
To be fair, Simmons only won the WCW title because Vader AND Sting both got hurt.
 
Can't deny that I marked out when I got a text during my radio show that he came back.

Yeah, it was just a little rough. But it could have been far worse.

I also didn't realize dude is 57 years old.
 
[quote name='Chase']Vader appreciation time? I'm in.

The match they had in May 1999 is better—but this match they had in October 1999 is probably one of Vader's more dominant performances—at least in regards to how the finish happened.
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That reminds me that Misawa died about 3 years ago this month. :(
 
[quote name='OnyxPrimal']That reminds me that Misawa died about 3 years ago this month. :([/QUOTE]


In a stroke of coincidence, Misawa died today, June 13, 2009. (I was reminded by a Puroresu Spirit post on Facebook.)

I had been fortunate to discover puro in the late 1990s. I got to see Mutoh's transformation, Chono form Team 2000, Kawada kick fools silly, and people like Ohtani and Misawa put on some of the best wrestling I have ever seen (to this date). Before I took a break from pro wrestling, the last match I watched was this 2003 classic between Misawa and Kobashi. It's one of my favorite matches of all-time. I think it's perfect. Rest in peace, Misawa. You surely won't be forgotten.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W1CyGiX1TtQ
 
[quote name='sykotek']Okay, I'm pulling out the BS card. No offense to Vader, but if we were going to change the name of the topic, why wouldn't we have changed it to honor Owen Hart back when this thread started instead of having it named after some tool who was banned from the forums half a decade ago? Bull.[/QUOTE]

You can put that bs card where the sun doesn't shine as far as I am concerned. Owen has been dead for over a decade now, and honestly i didn't feel the need to bum everyone out with a constant reminder that one of the best died on a certain date years ago. Secondly, if you do not like it, don't come up in here. Better yet, when you start a thread you can name it whatever you want. Until then, put your bs card back in your wallet, quit crying about the little things in life, and go look for your man card instead.
 
[quote name='sykotek']Okay, I'm pulling out the BS card. No offense to Vader, but if we were going to change the name of the topic, why wouldn't we have changed it to honor Owen Hart back when this thread started instead of having it named after some tool who was banned from the forums half a decade ago? Bull.[/QUOTE]

[quote name='Spyder187']You can put that bs card where the sun doesn't shine as far as I am concerned. Owen has been dead for over a decade now, and honestly i didn't feel the need to bum everyone out with a constant reminder that one of the best died on a certain date years ago. Secondly, if you do not like it, don't come up in here. Better yet, when you start a thread you can name it whatever you want. Until then, put your bs card back in your wallet, quit crying about the little things in life, and go look for your man card instead.[/QUOTE]
Let's both remember that we're talking about the title of a thread on a videogame message board.

Yeesh.
 
We get some notable titles and worthwhile OPs, but the strife over a thread that's going to be locked and forgotten in a matter of weeks anyway is just asinine.
 
Vader - Given my long-standing affection for Mick Foley and the Firepro franchise, I can't help but appreciate all the wonderful things that Vader has given me throughout my life. Later today when I get a bit more time, I'm psyched to watch that Flair promo leading up to his match against Vader. I wasn't a WCW viewer at the time so it's cool that it'll be new to me.

Misawa - Firepro didn't completely introduce me to Vader (just to his CRITICALing ability) but the series did introduce me to Puro and by extension, Misawa and friends. It sucks that he died when he did, but it was almost inevitable given the insane bumps that he and others in the Puro world regularly took. I hope things have toned down significantly since then, there's no reason to drop a guy on his head multiple times to end a match.
 
[quote name='Vulcan2422']I hope we see a Max Moon return! Moon vs Slater![/QUOTE]

It would be kind of a neat/funny angle to run if the returning wrestler ALWAYS went up against SLater. You could build anticipation just by having Slater come out.
 
Yeah. At least Slater would have a purpose.

Layla has the weirdest fucking accent I've ever heard. It's like she's from New Jersey, England.
 
[quote name='bhk']It would be kind of a neat/funny angle to run if the returning wrestler ALWAYS went up against SLater. You could build anticipation just by having Slater come out.[/QUOTE]


I would watch just for that storyline! WWE needs to make it happen! Have Goldbergs music so the fans go nuts and then BANG! Pyro goes off with Gillberg freaking out. It's what dreams are made of!
 
Heath Slater has grown on me. Him as a jobber is really fun to watch. He is this generations Barry Horowitz.
 
[quote name='Chase']In a stroke of coincidence, Misawa died today, June 13, 2009. (I was reminded by a Puroresu Spirit post on Facebook.)

I had been fortunate to discover puro in the late 1990s. I got to see Mutoh's transformation, Chono form Team 2000, Kawada kick fools silly, and people like Ohtani and Misawa put on some of the best wrestling I have ever seen (to this date). Before I took a break from pro wrestling, the last match I watched was this 2003 classic between Misawa and Kobashi. It's one of my favorite matches of all-time. I think it's perfect. Rest in peace, Misawa. You surely won't be forgotten.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W1CyGiX1TtQ[/QUOTE]

I haven't watched the match yet but I can guarantee that crowd is crazy hot. Misawa/Kobashi? How could they not be?
 
[quote name='mykevermin']I've recommended that match before, but I can't have been the only one.[/QUOTE]

Every time I watch that match it blows me away they let Kurt walk six months later. Such a good match.
 
[quote name='CaseyRyback']Every time I watch that match it blows me away they let Kurt walk six months later. Such a good match.[/QUOTE]

The story I heard was that they wanted to put Kurt into rehab but he wouldn't go. To prevent another tragedy from occurring on their watch, the WWE let him go so they wouldn't be accountable for anything that happened.
 
[quote name='neocisco']I haven't watched the match yet but I can guarantee that crowd is crazy hot. Misawa/Kobashi? How could they not be?[/QUOTE]


Every time I watch that match I get goosebumps. Makes me a sad to know that newer wrasslin fans think "sports entertainment" is the correct way to address pro wrestling and that the product WWE has put out every week for over six years is the best "sports entertainment" has ever been. Doesn't help that Vince seems keen on burying the past without even giving us long-term diehards an outlet to watch stuff before he sucked the soul out of pro wrestling.

The NXT reboot starts next week. Watched through the latest episode.

http://youtu.be/ijybO3A61Ws

Skip to 38:32 for the NXT reboot promo featuring Tyler Black, Richie Steamboat, and Ryan Nemeth ("Briley Pierce"/the other 'Ziggler').

Skip to 17:08 for a decent 10-minute-ish match featuring Nattie and Kaitlyn. (I love Regal's commentary.)

NXT is my "A-show." Regal on commentary, people like Nattie being able to work with younger talent like Kaitlyn to help them improve as wrasslers, and no Michael Cole. Can't tell you how much better WWE's product is without Michael Cole. He's why I only watch a few clips of RAW every week.

Now that WWE is merging the FCW roster with their low-card workers on the main shows, it'll be even more special. Tyler Black and Jon Moxley is enough of a reason for everyone else to tune into YouTube every week for the new NXT. In addition, you have the Rotundas doing real good work (especially Windham/"Husky Harris"), Sterling James Keenan, Richie Steamboat, Consequences Creed, and Chris Hero. Just an all-star roster. I'll be watching (as per usual).
 
[quote name='Halo05']The story I heard was that they wanted to put Kurt into rehab but he wouldn't go. To prevent another tragedy from occurring on their watch, the WWE let him go so they wouldn't be accountable for anything that happened.[/QUOTE]

That's what I also remember. He parted on good terms, praised Vince, said he was taking time off, then showed up in TNA a few weeks later. There was definite heat on Kurt and heat on TNA because they wanted him to work instead of heal (from addiction and his injury).
 
I think I get a little giddy if there were sponsors and Regal busted out "Promotional consideration paid for by the following..."
 
[quote name='Halo05']The story I heard was that they wanted to put Kurt into rehab but he wouldn't go. To prevent another tragedy from occurring on their watch, the WWE let him go so they wouldn't be accountable for anything that happened.[/QUOTE]

Apparently (according to shoots I've seen/heard from Kurt and others that claimed to be close to him) the WWE/Vince asked Kurt to take some time off due to his injuries. He allegedly told Vince he was fine, but Vince insisted he take time off to avoid any major problems. I guess they let him do his thing for a few weeks afterwards but he was still in loads of pain (and obviously popping painkillers like a mofo). At that point Vince pretty much demanded he take time off. In turn, Kurt asked for his release, basically saying it was the only way he'd take time off, and that he'd be back once he felt "good to go". Vince regrettably obliged, albeit both sides were on good terms, and not long after that Kurt showed up at TNA.

Obviously I don't know the whole story, but I used to really enjoy Kurt Angle so when he wasn't on TV anymore I did quite a bit of research into the situation.
 
[quote name='Chase']Every time I watch that match I get goosebumps. Makes me a sad to know that newer wrasslin fans think "sports entertainment" is the correct way to address pro wrestling and that the product WWE has put out every week for over six years is the best "sports entertainment" has ever been. Doesn't help that Vince seems keen on burying the past without even giving us long-term diehards an outlet to watch stuff before he sucked the soul out of pro wrestling.

The NXT reboot starts next week. Watched through the latest episode.

http://youtu.be/ijybO3A61Ws

Skip to 38:32 for the NXT reboot promo featuring Tyler Black, Richie Steamboat, and Ryan Nemeth ("Briley Pierce"/the other 'Ziggler').

Skip to 17:08 for a decent 10-minute-ish match featuring Nattie and Kaitlyn. (I love Regal's commentary.)

NXT is my "A-show." Regal on commentary, people like Nattie being able to work with younger talent like Kaitlyn to help them improve as wrasslers, and no Michael Cole. Can't tell you how much better WWE's product is without Michael Cole. He's why I only watch a few clips of RAW every week.

Now that WWE is merging the FCW roster with their low-card workers on the main shows, it'll be even more special. Tyler Black and Jon Moxley is enough of a reason for everyone else to tune into YouTube every week for the new NXT. In addition, you have the Rotundas doing real good work (especially Windham/"Husky Harris"), Sterling James Keenan, Richie Steamboat, Consequences Creed, and Chris Hero. Just an all-star roster. I'll be watching (as per usual).[/QUOTE]

Not sure if you watched NXT while Cole was at the commentary desk but listening to him and Josh Matthews every week was partly why I tuned in. Who could ever forget the almighty gong?

I skipped last week's NXT since the match listing was very ugly on paper, but I've been waiting for my fiance to go to bed so I can watch this week's NXT and FCW.
 
[quote name='ced']I think I get a little giddy if there were sponsors and Regal busted out "Promotional consideration paid for by the following..."[/QUOTE]


Ha! That would be quite amusing. I'm surprised they didn't do one with Great Khali where it's just garbled nonsense. I'd laugh.

[quote name='HydroX']Not sure if you watched NXT while Cole was at the commentary desk but listening to him and Josh Matthews every week was partly why I tuned in. Who could ever forget the almighty gong?

I skipped last week's NXT since the match listing was very ugly on paper, but I've been waiting for my fiance to go to bed so I can watch this week's NXT and FCW.[/QUOTE]


This is true. Michael Cole showing more of his true personality and shitting on the "Double Dare" version of NXT was very amusing. That's the most I've ever liked Michael Cole. He and Matthews have good chemistry. If I remember correctly, he even shit on himself for using 'vintage.'

Outside of NXT, he's awful. Feels like he's gotten progressively worse since his time with Taz. Matthews is getting worse, too, and I really enjoyed him before. He's become a mini Michael Cole. For instance, on the latest NXT episode, when Nattie is bowing and taunting in the ring while Kaitlyn's outside. Instead of selling it like "You have to wonder if her arrogance will become detrimental" we get "I don't know why she's bowing right now." Ehh.

And I've come to realize that if WWE keeps ignoring the moves in the ring and no one calls them, we'll end up with a generation who refers to every submission as "a submission maneuver" and every finisher as "and that's it."

Dunno how it's storytelling to hear Michael Cole rant about something stupid—but I have stopped caring. However, I will praise people like Regal and Striker for their tremendous work at the commentator table. Even Scott Stanford has upped his game. I'm impressed.
 
[quote name='KaneRobot']
Layla has the weirdest fucking accent I've ever heard. It's like she's from New Jersey, England.[/QUOTE]

It sounds like she's trying to do an "American" accent, but slips into her English accent a lot.

Being a brit living in the US it always makes me laugh when people try and do that, Stephen Fry as House was pretty good, not perfect but a lot better than most brits trying to do it.
 
Heyman's promo doesn't really pack the punch it used to, but it's still good. The pre-tape w/ Stephanie and him is some *godawful* acting, in hindsight.

But listening to what Heyman is saying, why is he the heel? Why should we as fans boo him? Why should we want to see Vince/WWF succeed? It makes zero sense to me, even a decade later.
 
How *was* Heyman the heel in this scenario? Oh right this was a WWF production and Paul was the WCW/ECW mouthpiece.

It reminds me how quickly the angle went off the rails when it went from McMahon vs McMahon with ECW as a wildcard to McMahon vs McMahons in the matter of an hour.
 
Yeah I'm scratching my head as to why Heyman is getting boos during any portion of that promo, especially near the end. I'd think even the most dyed-in-the-wool WWE mark would think Heymen had a point.
 
[quote name='HydroX']Am I the only one wondering how Heath Slater has a job?[/QUOTE]

I would guess WWE promised the not so hot Nexus guys a guaranteed jobber role on the roster. Heath Slater beat Darren Young in the NXT obstacle course and the rest is history.
 
I'm wondering how he has still stayed their for almost 2 years. I remember watching Him, Sheamus, Hennig(when he went by Joe Hennig!), TJ, and Kofi in FCW two years ago. Sad thing is, only two stand out on the main roster when four should. Sad, cause I love Hennig. Great part is that when WWE comes to Tampa, my friend gets free tickets cause of her history of taking pictures for ROH and she is best friends with TJ.
 
I hate how they edited that Heyman promo (most notably cutting out stuff where he talked about Bruno and Supersar). Takes some of the sting out of it.
 
[quote name='HydroX']Am I the only one wondering how Heath Slater has a job?[/QUOTE]

He's a guy you want to see get beaten up and he is pretty damn good at taking a beating.
 
I finally had time to watch Slammiversary and, I have to say, that was a very good PPV. Aries/Joe was just a great match and really set the bar as the opening bout. There were some low points, of course. Anything with Garrett Bischoff and or Robbie E is automatic take a break time so it was nice they were both in the same match and got them both out of the way in one shot.

Anderson/Hardy/RVD was well done and showcased all 3 pretty equally before the finish. Some have described the finish to the Crimson match as anticlimactic but I was fine with it since Crimson himself has pretty much been anticlimactic his entire run. He's not awful, he's just not as entertaining as they were hoping he would be. Gail Kim made Tessmacher look pretty good (as she does pretty much anyone she wrestles).

Bully Ray/Joseph Park went pretty much as I expected (and I didn't expect much when you have a rasslin' lawyer). Hopefully Bully Ray can be put to a little better use in his next feud to help build someone, much like he did with Aries. Angle/Styles vs. Daniels/Kazarian...wow. That was one of the best tag matches I've seen in years. Anywhere. And that includes some of the gems from ROH's historically deep tag division. All 4 guys just seemed to mesh incredibly well. Once they got into the last 5 minutes of the match they were hitting all of their moves and spots with pinpoint accuracy. It was just amazing. Do yourself a favor, find this match and watch it. You will be impressed.

Roode/Sting was well done for what it was, a main event match with a 53 year old man in it. Considering his age, Sting still does quite well in the ring. No real complaints about the match, especially considering how the previous tag match really elevated expectations. The match ended in a manner that I hoped it would and I was satisfied with the results.
 
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