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I'm I missing somebody or was Kelly Kelly seriously the last remnant of the WWE branded ECW? If that's the case, "Don't Come Back" chant, ad infinitum.
 
[quote name='ced']I'm I missing somebody or was Kelly Kelly seriously the last remnant of the WWE branded ECW? If that's the case, "Don't Come Back" chant, ad infinitum.[/QUOTE]

Uh... CM Punk? He pretty much debuted within weeks of those vignettes airing. After bitch slapping Shannon Moore, he had that feud with Mike Knox since Mike Knox was being a dick to exhibitionist Kelly Kelly.

Tons of active roster guys made their debuts in the Post-Heyman-WWE-ECW era too. Jack Swagger, Kofi Kingston, Evan Bourne, Tyler Reks, Tyson Kidd, Trent Barreta, Yoshi Tatsu, Ezekiel Jackson, Abraham Washington, and Sheamus.
 
[quote name='neocisco']You'll enjoy who his opponent is.

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Ahhhh. The good ol' days when the Hardy brothers were jobbers. Things should never have changed.

[quote name='Scorch']Just picked up the ECW blu.. After the Douglas speech where he dubbed the title to be the ECW title, the fans start an ECW chant. 2 Cold Scorpio comes back in the ring and gets on the mic and says something to Shane Douglas, but it's inaudible due to the ECW chants. The problem is, by that point, the crowd had stopped chanting. You can even tell where they looped the sound. The chants stop all at once. Joey Styles acknowledges that the chanting makes it hard to hear 2 Cold Scorpio on the mic, so I'm not sure if that's a new commentary dub or what.

Generic themes are in, which sucks but I'm okay with it. Dreamer came out to a very, very generic version of Man in the Box. If you didn't know he was supposed to have Man in the Box as his theme, you probably wouldn't recognize it. It sounds close enough to me, though.[/QUOTE]


I expected generic themes, but I'm still disappointed. Most of what made Sandman so "god-like" was his incredible entrance with "Enter Sandman." Decent brawler but nothing special. And Rhino loses steam without "Debonaire," and I loved "El Phantasmo and the Chicken-Run Blast-O-Rama." That made me love the Impact Players. I could go on. Hahaha... I dunno. I suppose the music was an important part of my ECW experience.

And that edited chants thing is weird.
 
[quote name='Chase']I expected generic themes, but I'm still disappointed. Most of what made Sandman so "god-like" was his incredible entrance with "Enter Sandman." Decent brawler but nothing special. And Rhino loses steam without "Debonaire," and I loved "El Phantasmo and the Chicken-Run Blast-O-Rama." That made me love the Impact Players. I could go on. Hahaha... I dunno. I suppose the music was an important part of my ECW experience.[/QUOTE]

Agreed 100%. I don't want to imagine Shane Douglas walking out without Perfect Strangers by Deep Purple, Tazz without War Machine by Kiss, RVD without Walk by Pantera, etc. Funny thing about Lance Storm, I wasn't much of a fan of his until he started using El Phantasmo and the Chicken Run Blast-O-Rama remix as his entrance music, then I totally marked out.

To me, it's EXTREMELY (lol pun) important for entrance music (rather it be the actual song or the generic "sounds-like" version) to be left preserved. 95% of the time the right entrance music is just as important as the character itself is. Think about how many wrestlers you can immediately identify just by the first note or two of their theme song. How many of you guys still picture DDP every time you hear Smells Like Teen Spirit by Nirvana? If you close your eyes and hear that iconic gunshot from Murder was the Case, do you not see New Jack and Mustafa running to the ring with a shopping cart full of weapons?
 
The cost of obtaining those music rights used in ECW is likely financially prohibitive. What do you want WWE to do? Not release this stuff because they can't get the rights to 20 main stream large bands songs? Or release it the best they can with music replacements?
 
[quote name='kodave']Uh... CM Punk? He pretty much debuted within weeks of those vignettes airing. After bitch slapping Shannon Moore, he had that feud with Mike Knox since Mike Knox was being a dick to exhibitionist Kelly Kelly.

Tons of active roster guys made their debuts in the Post-Heyman-WWE-ECW era too. Jack Swagger, Kofi Kingston, Evan Bourne, Tyler Reks, Tyson Kidd, Trent Barreta, Yoshi Tatsu, Ezekiel Jackson, Abraham Washington, and Sheamus.[/QUOTE]

Jackson debuted on Smackdown.
 
I figured, being a wrasslin' DVD and all, that I could stroll in to Best Buy and pick a copy of the new ECW collection with no hassle.

Wrong.

I just FINALLY found a Best Buy that restocked today near work and pick up the last Blu-Ray copy they had. Every place that I could think of that would have the damn thing was out.

Given Amazon's current shipping status for the set along with my wild goose chase locally, I didn't realize what kind of demand there was for this set.
 
I think Best Buy might be trying to get out of carrying wrestling titles in-store. The BB closest to me has never stocked the recent WCW set and according to the store locator, they don't have the new ECW one.
 
[quote name='Halo05']I think Best Buy might be trying to get out of carrying wrestling titles in-store. The BB closest to me has never stocked the recent WCW set and according to the store locator, they don't have the new ECW one.[/QUOTE]

They don't sell as well as they used to. My BB didn't even have the ECW one on display. I found out that they had it via the inventory store locator while in-store. Had to ask someone to get one from the back.

I think that the Clash set was produced in fairly low numbers (on blu, at least). I've only seen it once, and it wasn't even at Best Buy.

Though oddly enough, they did have a new copy of "Best PPV matches of 2011" blu, so maybe they fixed the disc 2 error and have begun shipping proper copies of that now. With the $34.99 tag, though, Best Buy can keep it.
 
[quote name='pitfallharry219']Jackson debuted on Smackdown.[/QUOTE]

Shit, I forgot he was Brian Kendrick's body guard completely. But other than him, the point still stands. WWECW lives on with all those other dudes.
 
I'm pretty sure I meant "last survivor of the very first episode of WWE ECW". And even then, I'm still incorrect since Big Show also appeared on that show.
 
[quote name='Demolition Man']I'm pretty sure Big Show will survive a nuclear holocaust.[/QUOTE]

If he can fall off the top of a building without a scratch, then a nuke will cause a band-aid sized wound at worst.
 
Billy Corgan, Smashing Pumpkins frontman and co-founder of Resistance Pro, appears to have a reality wrestling show in the works:

Billy Corgan Launching Wrestling Reality Show

Is it real or fake?

That question may have a double meaning when Chicago's Billy Corgan unleashes a wrestling reality show.

The Smashing Pumpkins frontman announced his plans on a radio show earlier this week, according to MLW Radio Network. (Listen to full interview)

Corgan says he's signed a deal with a "big reality show producer" and that the show would detail what it's like running a wrestling organization behind the scenes.

Corgan formed Resistance Pro last year and has launched several wrestling events around the area, many at Exaclibur nightclub.

"We believe that wrestling is fascinating on many many levels," Corgan said in the interview. "Socially, politically, even economically. The struggles independent wrestlers go through to try to find work. Those are real struggles that anybody can identify with. We want to show what goes on in a wrestling company behind the scenes."

Despite his love for wrestling, Corgan hasn't given up on the music. A new album, Oceania, is due later this month. Corgan has also announced plans to open a tea house in Highland Park this year.

Source: http://www.nbcchicago.com/the-scene...ing-Reality-Show-157551655.html#ixzz1xGZGMxV1
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Hulk Hogan did an interview with a radio station to promote the upcoming TNA PPV (I don't have the link to it, but Lords Of Pain posted it), and in it he mentioned that he's effectively done wrestling due to his back. He also said he wished he had changed finishers later in his career to something less damaging to his spine, noting that he's legitimately several inches shorter than when he started due to dropping the leg over and over again and compressing his spine.

Hogan's a guy who has been wrestling for damn near 40 years, though the last 10-15 haven't been pretty. Imagine what his career would be had he used a bearhug or a sleeperhold instead.
 
TNA President Dixie Carter announced on Twitter this week that WWE Intercontinental Champion Christian will be appearing at TNA Slammiversary this weekend:

“On a plane headed to Dallas for the big PPV this weekend. Very excited @Christian4Peeps is joinin us for the night. He’s one of my favorites”


Dixie Carter’s announcement could be a sign that Christian will be the first person announced for the TNA Hall of Fame at the pay-per-view, but that is just speculation at this point.


While this is also not confirmed, it’s possible that WWE allowing Christian to appear at Slammiversary is payback for TNA allowing Ric Flair to appear at WWE’s Hall of Fame ceremony this year.
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Admittedly, ECW does lose quite a bit of its charm without hearing the original themes. It's extremely difficult to find any of the matches with the original themes in place, though. I'll take what I can get.

I guess Christian appearing on TNA was what TNA wanted in exchange for allowing Flair to appear at the HOF.

Not sure if that's a complement to Christian or an insult to Flair.
 
[quote name='JJSP']I think it's just that he's the only big TNA name currently in WWE. Who else would they get?[/QUOTE]

Well, in the Hall of Fame context, yes, Christian would be the only choice. There's a few guys in WWE that could make a one-off appearance in TNA and have it draw pretty big. R-Truth is the obvious name that comes to mind. A few others - Booker T, Mick Foley.. even CM Punk.
 
WWE has finally acquired the Bill Watts Library. Now the evil empire controls almost all of the vintage and epic old school wrestling footage in existence.
 
[quote name='Spyder187']WWE has finally acquired the Bill Watts Library. Now the evil empire controls almost all of the vintage and epic old school wrestling footage in existence.[/QUOTE]


WWE needs to do more with their footage library. They produce disc sets, which is good. And hey, sometimes they put short clips on their YouTube channel, which I watch, including this pretty good "memorable quotes" compilation.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Iww_4d8vVTQ

(Hats off to the editor for knowing and including the "Who are you to doubt El Dandy" clip.)

But they need to do more. I'd pay 10 dollars a month for an 'HBO Go'-esque app that doesn't require cable where I can select between WCW, ECW, WWE, and Everything Else. Hell, I'd pay 15 dollars a month for an app that allows me to select sub-categories in those categories, like Nitro, Thunder, Saturday Night, On TNN, NWA ECW, NWA WCW, and more specific things.

In general, the PPV model is archaic. This would be WWE taking a risk and embracing current technology. Now, the risk is that today's core audience are kids who a.) probably don't give a crap about the past, and b.) would have to convince their parents to pay X dollars a month for a service in addition to the 40-60 dollars per month for PPVs. (I have no idea. I stream if I do watch.)

But speaking of people who stream, this would be a way to monetize that audience of diehard fans who wouldn't pay otherwise. I think it makes sense.
 
[quote name='diddy310']TNA also should have negotiated to have Slammiversary commentated by Chet Lemon and Black Snow.[/QUOTE]

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I...guess I'm glad they got the Watts stuff. At least some of the content we see now will be better quality than it has been on the trading circuit.

I bought one of those mega comps of Mid-South/UWF/Power Pro stuff a while back and a lot of it was pretty awesome.
 
The cynical part of me thinks it's not because they want content for a wrestling channel or DVD sales but because they want to erase any wrestling or their wrestlers outside of the WWE's control. Between a lot of new fans and various edits/narratives, they can basically rewrite history at this point.
 
It might seem cynical and paranoid, and perhaps it is a bit too farfetched - however, I don't think that's too far from the mark. WWE owns tens of thousands of hours of video footage, entire archives of promotions - and they've very little to show for it.

You might say "well, they basically stole WCW's assets they got it for such a low price, so it's not like they made a huge blunder," and I'd find that to be a reasonable point. They got everything for under $2 million, yes? So (1) that's not a huge risk and (2) a modestly popular dvd release could offset that cost on its own.

But you know what? Leaving money on the table is a bad idea no matter how small the risk is. And WWE is undoubtedly leaving money on the table by failing to monetize on their library in a very meaningful way. WWE Network will simply never happen at this point, let's be honest - and incremental DVD releases are (1) insufficient at monetizing their library and (2) kind of aggravating when you see meager releases, yet repetitive matches.

So it's a bit paranoid, sure - but not too far from the mark. WWE has owned the WCW and ECW libraries for over a decade and done very little with them, leaving a lot of money on the table in the process. This acquisition isn't going to change that trend.
 
[quote name='mykevermin']His WCW theme was just a classic Jimmy Hart plagiarism instrumental version of that song, yes?[/QUOTE]

Yes, although to his credit (?), the Perfect Strangers ripoff was really close to the original. Just as close, maybe even moreso, than the Smells Like Dallas Page theme.

Unless I'm blanking on something obvious, tonight could mark the first time in the modern era (ie 85 and beyond) a contracted WWE performer has appeared on a competitor's broadcast (let alone a PPV).
 
[quote name='KaneRobot']Yes, although to his credit (?), the Perfect Strangers ripoff was really close to the original. Just as close, maybe even moreso, than the Smells Like Dallas Page theme.

Unless I'm blanking on something obvious, tonight could mark the first time in the modern era (ie 85 and beyond) a contracted WWE performer has appeared on a competitor's broadcast (let alone a PPV).[/QUOTE]
I can't remember to be honest, but was ECW Cyberslam ever shown as a broadcast? If so, then Taz in 2000 losing the ECW Title to Dreamer would be the first I can think of.
 
[quote name='JP']I can't remember to be honest, but was ECW Cyberslam ever shown as a broadcast? If so, then Taz in 2000 losing the ECW Title to Dreamer would be the first I can think of.[/QUOTE]


Also: The Dudley Boys jobbing to Dreamer and Raven on an ECW on TNN episode, right?

And Myke, you're right. I guess I'm stuck to watching VHS tapes of NWA WCW and WCW Saturday Night. Thanks, WWE.

Oh. I almost forgot: The latest Superstars episode has a good Ryder-Swagger match that has a five-star finish. Shame Swagger has poor speech skill as he can be enjoyable in the ring.
 
[quote name='Chase']Also: The Dudley Boys jobbing to Dreamer and Raven on an ECW on TNN episode, right?[/QUOTE]
They had the contracts but they hadn't debuted on WWE TV yet at that point I don't believe.
 
Lawler/Dreamer from 97 was on PPV, right?

The two companies had a working relationship, but they were still technically competitors. I'm hard pressed to think of anything not ECW related, though. The other big one is the whole Taz/Awesome to-do back in, what, 2000? It's still kind of tough to believe that actually happened.
 
[quote name='007']Lawler/Dreamer from 97 was on PPV, right?

The two companies had a working relationship, but they were still technically competitors. I'm hard pressed to think of anything not ECW related, though. The other big one is the whole Taz/Awesome to-do back in, what, 2000? It's still kind of tough to believe that actually happened.[/QUOTE]
I always forget that Lawler item. That would definitely be the first televised WWE contracted guy being on a competitors show. The Taz/Awesome item was in 2000 in Indianapolis at the Murat Theater Egyptian Room, but was just a house show.
 
[quote name='JP']They had the contracts but they hadn't debuted on WWE TV yet at that point I don't believe.[/QUOTE]


Ah, okay. And Lawler-Dreamer definitely counts. That was a pretty big one.

Anyone watching the PPV tonight? (I don't watch TNA.) Just by reading a quick rundown of the card and combining that information with what is posted in this thread, I think TNA fans are due for a.) a weird finish involving Dixie Carter, b.) Roode jobbing out to Sting, and c.) Samoa Joe and Austin Aries stealing the show.

I'm interested to see if I'm correct about the first two.
 
I've got the PPV on in the background. First TNA PPV I've "watched" in a good while. I've mainly got it on to see what Christian says about TNA.
 
There's nothing finer than a fresh twitter rant from Scott Steiner.

Scott Steiner is back with another epic Twitter rant - and this time, his target is the new head of TNA's Knockouts division - Brooke Hogan. Take it away, Big Poppa Pump"


"After brooke hogan tweeted that she could make more money on her back than i did in my wrestling career Which i accepted and i will get into later,a high ranking official from TNA (who i respect) called me and Without going into the whole conversation he ask me to stop tweeting and since im trying to Save TNA from the same fate as WCW,and this official also has TNA's best interest in mind i agreed Until bitchoff opened his mouth spewing his bullsh*t as usual,but first since i missed brookes debut,I know The camera adds 10 lbs but OMG how big is her head,did everybody notice when they were advertising her For the show they had a picture of her that looked totally differerent of her when she walked out,how many Gallons of paint did it take to airbrush that big head...and this is why i accepted her challenge that she Could make more money on her back,even though guys have fetishes and sometime guys are just bored But she has too many physical variables and abnormalities to be competitive or make money as a wh*re."


"Keep in mind she could have issued the challenge that she could make more money singing but she chose Prostitution bcuz even she knows her singing sucks...her dad took her to a few music studios in nashville in a last ditch effort and of course they got laughed out of the studio...same results cant sing cant dance and shes an amazon."


"Alot of responses to her debut was that she was a amazon..she has fat knees,cankles and did i mention she has a big head Spinkled with a lil transvestite dust."


"So with the horrible ratings and reviews of his daughter what does hogan do;re-tweets a sexual tweet bcuz The guy asks him too! LOL what a f*cking idiot..need some ppl to tweet hogan the most vulgar sexual laced tweets and lets see if The dumbass will re-tweet them"


"For 21/2 yrs since hogan bitchoff n pritchard have been in charge the ratings have sucked and TNA continues To lose more and more of its fanbase and they think bringing in hogan's no talent daughter in will help The ratings.....they are fn crazy....the knockouts are pissed and think shes a joke."


"You want a storyline you want ratings make brooke the chazz bono of tna,minus the Penis implant,bcuz he/she has to have a vagina like her dad."


"Not only is tna wasting money on flying his daughter to the shows,TNA also pays to fly her dog with her. Unbelievable!!!!"
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Been watching the PPV, meh. I haven't seen Bully Ray in over a year or so and he looks like he is in decent shape, at least compared to how he normally kept himself.
 
So they brought Christian in to introduce the Number 1 moment in TNA history? The hell? I mean Christian was involved in the match, but......whatever.
 
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