Format War - HD DVD vs. Blu-Ray - *Its Over...Toshiba Swings White Flag*

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[quote name='figcoinc']Geez should have never read through this thread. Hope my HD-DVD purchase holds on. Or at least when the dual players come through.

I have no dog in this hunt. My bro wanted a HD player, he did a lot for me this year and I could afford the HD-DVD player.[/QUOTE]

The studio support is different for each format .
If your brother likes movies by Universal and Paramount he'll enjoy his HD DVD player , plus it'll upscale DVDs as well .

If he asked for it specifically he may know the differences between the two .
 
Just enjoy what you support. Like I've said before, your HD DVD or Blu-ray player isn't going to stop working all of a sudden if one or the other format backs out. I'm sure studios will still continue to release films in either because there is still a market for them. And even if they don't, you've still got yourself one heck of an upscaling DVD player.
 
Wow, Blu-ray won the week?!?!?
Who'd a thunk with every exclusive Blu-ray studio having a BOGO, Best Buy giving away Open Season with the PS3, and HD DVD having only one new release, a $150 boxset. Shocker!

I still get a laugh at how passionate people get in this thread for Blu-ray. They bought a PS3 thinking it would be the cats meow, and when it gets trampled by Xbox and a gimmicky Nintendo system, they feel the need to defend the only thing its good at, Blu-ray. Who cares if 9/10 games for the PS3 either suck or are really bad ports of 360 games from months before, it can play Spider-Man!!! And its beating something else, we having something to live for. :lol: Hard coating because out format is so fragile is a plus!!!
 
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Venturer product at Wal-Mart...

What the hell? They are giving away two Warner titles inside every box? Talk about foreshadowing!

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I wonder why Wal-Mart would carry an "obsolete" product exclusively at their store with two Warner titles?
 
[quote name='GizmoGC']Wow, Blu-ray won the week?!?!?
Who'd a thunk with every exclusive Blu-ray studio having a BOGO, Best Buy giving away Open Season with the PS3, and HD DVD having only one new release, a $150 boxset. Shocker!

I still get a laugh at how passionate people get in this thread for Blu-ray. They bought a PS3 thinking it would be the cats meow, and when it gets trampled by Xbox and a gimmicky Nintendo system, they feel the need to defend the only thing its good at, Blu-ray. Who cares if 9/10 games for the PS3 either suck or are really bad ports of 360 games from months before, it can play Spider-Man!!! And its beating something else, we having something to live for. :lol: Hard coating because out format is so fragile is a plus!!![/quote]


wait dont forget about your blu-ray killers, Hot Rod and Mr. Bean...and words escape me for that one line
 
[quote name='sporadic']C) You also don't pay attention to disc info on a global scale, eh? If so you would have read that the UK version of the HD-DVD Harry Potter is keeping their HD extras and that it's America getting the shaft.[/QUOTE]

Of course I knew this. UK version is 2 disc.
Better import!
 
[quote name='GizmoGC']Fox is having yet ANOTHER Bogo sale at Fry's. Every week, just like I said. Blu-ray is getting desperate.[/quote]


Both sides are desperate. Where have you been?


Blu-Ray is currently winning. HD-DVD is currently losing. HD-DVD is doing its' best sales in the US, but is still losing 2-1 to Blu-Ray here.
 
[quote name='KingBroly']Both sides are desperate. Where have you been?


Blu-Ray is currently winning. HD-DVD is currently losing. HD-DVD is doing its' best sales in the US, but is still losing 2-1 to Blu-Ray here.[/QUOTE]

Blu-ray gives away movies at retail outlets, HD DVD does not. Profit wise, It would not shock me to here HD DVD is in the lead. Blu-ray discs not only cost more, but they are sold for half of what their MSRP is weekly.
 
HD DVD Stand Alones out number Blu-ray 4:1

http://www.afterdawn.com/news/archive/12012.cfm

The North American HD DVD Promotional Group has made a press release announcing their latest sales milestone, 750,000 standalones sold through last week.

Thanks to incredible November deals on Toshiba HD DVD players, the milestone has been reached with numbers continuing to grow at a steady rate. The numbers also include the Xbox 360 HD DVD add on.

"HD DVD continues to gain momentum and market share with consumers," said Ken Graffeo, executive vice president of HD strategic marketing for Universal Studios Home Entertainment, and co-president of the HD DVD Promotional Group. "With more than four weeks left for holiday shopping, HD DVD is turning out to be a perfect consumer electronics gift."

According to the The Digital Entertainment Group, Blu-ray standalone sales have not even reached 200,000 units yet. Those numbers, of course, do not include the Sony PlayStation 3.
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Warner take notice... :lol:
I guess having 5 different CEs making players means nothing.
 
I don't get what you're deal is. You say you're with HD DVD, yet you have a PS3 and a collection of Blu-ray discs. By owning either format you appear to like to watch movies, and whenever a sale comes along you bitch and moan about the opportunity to own more movies.

What's more important to you? having an HD DVD player for every electrical outlet in your home or movies at a reasonable, affordable price?

And after looking at all those HD DVD players, they always have a couple of Warner movies thrown in. Warner never has a sale, they just give them away with HD DVD players or take advantage of people with their "F" rated online store. 300 is a mainstay in those HD DVD players, but why would that be? because it's not selling on it's own in comparison to the Blu-ray version that regularly is in the Blu-ray top 10?
 
So the 360 add-on is a standalone now, is it?

Why don't you plug it into the TV by itself and tell me how much luck you have getting it to play a movie.? ;)

"HDG: Our gaming system add-on should be counted, but not the other guys'." :lol:
 
[quote name='HERETOSTAY']300 is a mainstay in those HD DVD players, but why would that be? because it's not selling on it's own in comparison to the Blu-ray version that regularly is in the Blu-ray top 10?[/quote]
I'd be careful with that comparison if I were you. Despite being included in every single G3 player, 300 HD DVD is still quite often in the HD top 10, occasionally in the overall top 10, and has outsold every single Blu-Ray title except 300. So your example can be turned around to say that no Blu-Ray title other than 300 is "selling on its own". That's not what you meant, is it? :)
 
[quote name='GizmoGC']HD DVD Stand Alones out number Blu-ray 4:1

http://www.afterdawn.com/news/archive/12012.cfm



Warner take notice... :lol:
I guess having 5 different CEs making players means nothing.[/quote]

Haha, "Does not include the PS3" the majority of the people I hear wanting to get a bluray player want to purchase a PS3 for it.

And I think that 750,000 < 6.3 Million.
 
[quote name='DarkNessBear']Haha, "Does not include the PS3" the majority of the people I hear wanting to get a bluray player want to purchase a PS3 for it.

And I think that 750,000 < 6.3 Million.[/QUOTE]

6.3 million people are buying Blu-ray discs? :lol: :roll:

HD DVD should be destroyed by now then, right?
 
[quote name='HERETOSTAY']and whenever a sale comes along you bitch and moan about the opportunity to own more movies.[/QUOTE]

I've never heard a user, on a site dedicated to cheap deals, complain about a good deal so much.

[quote name='GizmoGC']Profit wise, It would not shock me to here HD DVD is in the lead.[/QUOTE]

Including the Paramount/Dreamworks deal? It's really hard to determine who is profiting more as they have both spent money on studios, marketing, etc. that we don't really have any accurate figures for. But is it really that important? Short term profits are great, but not when you risk losing in the long term. It would be much more smarter for them to concentrate on gaining marketshare so they can ensure long term profits, rather than focusing on short term profits and risk losing the war.
 
[quote name='GizmoGC']HD DVD should be destroyed by now then, right?[/QUOTE]

It should. Not based on that 6.3milion figure, though. It would be based on the fact that BD has less than 200,000K standalones, but are outselling HD-DVD in software. BD must have a killer attach rate.

[quote name='GizmoGC']They bought a PS3 thinking it would be the cats meow, and when it gets trampled by Xbox and a gimmicky Nintendo system[/QUOTE]

Isn't the PS3 being outsold 2:1 by the 360? Does that mean HD-DVD is being 'trampled'?

The main difference between the two is that the PS3 is being outsold 2:1 in its worst region (the US), while HD-DVD is being outsold 2:1 in its best.
 
Just when I thought Gizmo couldn't be more ridiculous....

And yes, I Am desperate and upset as I bought my PS3 and enjoying it very much with blu-ray movies and exclusives like Ratchet, Resistance and Warhawk. Man Am I desperate as the disc format I choose outsells HD-dvd 2 to 1 in Europe and America and 9 to 1 in Japan. That screams desperation. and for the last time, ONE STORE DOING A BOGO IS NOT "GIVING AWAY" movies. It's Fry's deal and only fry's deal. Just because Blu-ray is smart enough to realize people won't buy movies at ridiculous prices does not make them "desperate."

And you know, it's not like any Warner movies or any paramount movies were part of Blu-ray's BOGO...

http://www.cheapassgamer.com/forums/showthread.php?t=161944

ZOMG! Wal-mart doing a sale on HD-DVD players! Can't believe that HD-DVD would become so desperate and give away their players!

/sarcasm.
 
[quote name='H.Cornerstone']Just when I thought Gizmo couldn't be more ridiculous....

And yes, I Am desperate and upset as I bought my PS3 and enjoying it very much with blu-ray movies and exclusives like Ratchet, Resistance and Warhawk. Man Am I desperate as the disc format I choose outsells HD-dvd 2 to 1 in Europe and America and 9 to 1 in Japan. That screams desperation. and for the last time, ONE STORE DOING A BOGO IS NOT "GIVING AWAY" movies. It's Fry's deal and only fry's deal. Just because Blu-ray is smart enough to realize people won't buy movies at ridiculous prices does not make them "desperate."

And you know, it's not like any Warner movies or any paramount movies were part of Blu-ray's BOGO...

http://www.cheapassgamer.com/forums/showthread.php?t=161944

ZOMG! Wal-mart doing a sale on HD-DVD players! Can't believe that HD-DVD would become so desperate and give away their players!

/sarcasm.[/QUOTE]

I see Wal-Mart is having an HD DVD sale..how is that a BOGO on Paramount or Warner titles? You mean because you choose any from a selection of 50 in store...?
 
[quote name='GizmoGC']I see Wal-Mart is having an HD DVD sale..how is that a BOGO on Paramount or Warner titles? You mean because you choose any from a selection of 50 in store...?[/quote]

I was more referring to your foreshadowing post about Warner. Pack ins mean anything.
 
[quote name='TimPV3']Amazing that ManaKnight gets banned, yet GizmoGC is allowed to stay. Atleast ManaKnight made sense.[/QUOTE]

Because I am discussing HD DVD and Blu-ray...you know, what this thread is about? Clearly you like the PS3 as you seem to only own that system, go on about how great it is, and have an avatar with a selection of PS3 games. How dare I not like it, because clearly the system being in last place means its really successful, much like the Game Cube last generation. :roll:

If you don't like my comments or think I am doing something wrong, report my posts.
 
[quote name='H.Cornerstone']I was more referring to your foreshadowing post about Warner. Pack ins mean anything.[/QUOTE]

Let me know when a Warner title gets packed in with a Blu-ray player.

So far the A3 and the Venturer have Warner title(s) as a pack-in. No Blu-ray players have any pack-ins (besides the Pioneer one several months ago with 5 titles).
 
[quote name='GizmoGC']Because I am discussing HD DVD and Blu-ray...you know, what this thread is about?[/QUOTE]

Then why did you bring up the PS3 and its performance in the console race, in response to BD/HD software ratios? This thread can be about the PS3 in regards to its blu-ray capabilities, but the PS3s performance in the console race is rather irrelevant, especially in direct response to software ratios.
 
[quote name='b3b0p']http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suggested_retail_price[/QUOTE]

Thanks, I know what MSRP is. However when movies are released and sold for $34.99, and then 2 weeks later is on a constant BOGO, that means they are dumping their product for HALF of what the MSRP is. If they wanted to sell it at the $15 price, just release it at the $15 price. I'm going to :lol: when these BOGO deals stop and people just stop buying the format waiting for that next BOGO that may never come. Ive already passed on several movies and will just get them in the next BOGO...should be next Tuesday!
 
[quote name='dpatel']Then why did you bring up the PS3 and its performance in the console race, in response to BD/HD software ratios? This thread can be about the PS3 in regards to its blu-ray capabilities, but the PS3s performance in the console race is rather irrelevant, especially in direct response to software ratios.[/QUOTE]

Because it pertains to Blu-ray as the PS3 is the #1 Blu-ray player around and the only reason the format is still here. Many people believe that once PS3 actually gets a handful of decent games in a row that Blu-ray sales will stall, much like UMD to PSP, as thats exactly what happened to that movie format, regardless if it was in a "format war" or not. UMD Movie sales died because PSP had a slew of decent games and a reason to hold onto that $250 handheld. Many people spent $400-$600 on a PS3 and still don't have many reasons to hold on to it because Blu-ray movies.
 
[quote name='GizmoGC']Because it pertains to Blu-ray as the PS3 is the #1 Blu-ray player around and the only reason the format is still here. Many people believe that once PS3 actually gets a handful of decent games in a row that Blu-ray sales will stall, much like UMD to PSP, as thats exactly what happened to that movie format, regardless if it was in a "format war" or not. UMD Movie sales died because PSP had a slew of decent games and a reason to hold onto that $250 handheld. Many people spent $400-$600 on a PS3 and still don't have many reasons to hold on to it because Blu-ray movies.[/QUOTE]

I still don't see how the PS3 getting 'trampled' (much like how HD-DVD is getting trampled) by the 360/Wii has anything to do with Blu-ray. Last time I checked, neither the 360 or the Wii came standard with HD-DVD drives.

I was referring to this post, by the way:
I still get a laugh at how passionate people get in this thread for Blu-ray. They bought a PS3 thinking it would be the cats meow, and when it gets trampled by Xbox and a gimmicky Nintendo system, they feel the need to defend the only thing its good at, Blu-ray. Who cares if 9/10 games for the PS3 either suck or are really bad ports of 360 games from months before, it can play Spider-Man!!! And its beating something else, we having something to live for. Hard coating because out format is so fragile is a plus!!!
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No where in that post do I see you trying to get your above point across.
 
where is this constant BOGO you speak of?...i wish Amazon would offer it more or at least BB, CC, DDD, or any other site other then Fry's which is only worth it if you live near one
 
[quote name='GizmoGC']I'm going to :lol: when these BOGO deals stop and people just stop buying the format waiting for that next BOGO that may never come. Ive already passed on several movies and will just get them in the next BOGO...should be next Tuesday![/QUOTE]

That'll be one thing I miss about the format war. I'm hoping the competition from DVD will keep the winning format offering things like 5 free BD/HD movies with the purchase of a player, or BOGOs.
 
[quote name='GizmoGC']Many people believe that once PS3 actually gets a handful of decent games in a row that Blu-ray sales will stall, much like UMD to PSP, as thats exactly what happened to that movie format, regardless if it was in a "format war" or not. UMD Movie sales died because PSP had a slew of decent games and a reason to hold onto that $250 handheld.[/QUOTE]

There were FAR more reasons that UMD failed than that one that you are over emphasizing. UMD did not die solely because the PSP got games. It was a bad format, and the games gave people less of an incentive to buy into it.
 
[quote name='dpatel']That'll be one thing I miss about the format war. I'm hoping the competition from DVD will keep the winning format offering things like 5 free BD/HD movies with the purchase of a player, or BOGOs.[/quote] I wouldn't hold my breath, unfortunately. If the format war ended today, I would venture to guess the 5 free deals would be gone by the end of March at the latest. Similar deals were offered in the early days of DVD, but they didn't last long at all.
 
[quote name='geko29']I wouldn't hold my breath, unfortunately. If the format war ended today, I would venture to guess the 5 free deals would be gone by the end of March at the latest. Similar deals were offered in the early days of DVD, but they didn't last long at all.[/QUOTE]

Yea, just wishful thinking I guess. Once either HD or BD is gone, they won't need to differentiate themselves enough. They'd be the only hi-def medium on the market, and that would really be incentive enough for people to upgrade to DVD.

As great as the deals are, this war really needs to end soon. I'd take no sales and one format over plenty of sales and two formats. For some reason, movies is one of the few markets in which I would prefer little to no competition. Guess I'm just used to the way things have always been.
 
[quote name='dpatel']Then why did you bring up the PS3 and its performance in the console race, in response to BD/HD software ratios? This thread can be about the PS3 in regards to its blu-ray capabilities, but the PS3s performance in the console race is rather irrelevant, especially in direct response to software ratios.[/QUOTE]

How is the PS3 not directly related to Blu-Ray ?
 
[quote name='Richlough']How is the PS3 not directly related to Blu-Ray ?[/QUOTE]

It is related, which is what I said. What is not related is how it is being outsold by the 360 and Wii (since neither of those include a HD-DVD drive standard), nor is it a relevant rebuttal to software sales ratios.
 
What's relevant is to not respond to GizmoGC. If you haven't figured out by now that he proffers nothing of substance, nothing of analytical/comparative consistency, and merely posts to get under people's skin, then I can't help you.

There are some people who make valid points about HD DVD, including geko and (occasionally) Sporadic. Gizmo, OTOH, deals day in and day out with statistical half-truths and wonky contingencies that prove HD DVD's supremacy, not because he genuinely believes it, but because he derives joy from the frustrated angst that permeates yours (and mine) responses to his tripe.

If you told him the sky was blue, he'd argue that point with you, offering up nothing resembling a concession. Stop now. He's an admitted troll, so leave him be.
 
[quote name='dpatel']It is related, which is what I said. What is not related is how it is being outsold by the 360 and Wii (since neither of those include a HD-DVD drive standard), nor is it a relevant rebuttal to software sales ratios.[/QUOTE]

...to PS3 owners .

IMO , Blu-Ray movies are the PS3's pacemaker , not a life support system like the Wii is to the PS2 .
 
[quote name='GizmoGC']Thanks, I know what MSRP is. However when movies are released and sold for $34.99, and then 2 weeks later is on a constant BOGO, that means they are dumping their product for HALF of what the MSRP is. If they wanted to sell it at the $15 price, just release it at the $15 price. I'm going to :lol: when these BOGO deals stop and people just stop buying the format waiting for that next BOGO that may never come. Ive already passed on several movies and will just get them in the next BOGO...should be next Tuesday![/quote]

Thanks for the heads up. I can hopefully add to my collection assuming it's not the same crap in the last one.
 
[quote name='mykevermin']What's relevant is to not respond to GizmoGC. If you haven't figured out by now that he proffers nothing of substance, nothing of analytical/comparative consistency, and merely posts to get under people's skin, then I can't help you.

There are some people who make valid points about HD DVD, including geko and (occasionally) Sporadic. Gizmo, OTOH, deals day in and day out with statistical half-truths and wonky contingencies that prove HD DVD's supremacy, not because he genuinely believes it, but because he derives joy from the frustrated angst that permeates yours (and mine) responses to his tripe.

If you told him the sky was blue, he'd argue that point with you, offering up nothing resembling a concession. Stop now. He's an admitted troll, so leave him be.[/quote]
I agree with this statement.



Bliss!
 
[quote name='GizmoGC']6.3 million people are buying Blu-ray discs? :lol: :roll:

HD DVD should be destroyed by now then, right?[/quote]

Yep, its almost there.

And then by your logic of HDDVD players outselling Bluray players 4:1 (or whatever you spurted out) then Bluray should be destroyed now then...

You are so dumb...
 
[quote name='GizmoGC']Fox is having yet ANOTHER Bogo sale at Fry's. Every week, just like I said. Blu-ray is getting desperate.[/quote]It's actually the same sale.

They never went off sale.
 
[quote name='dallow']OMG, foreshadowing![/QUOTE]

Eh, it's no more indicative than "300" being in the 3G HD DVD standalones is. But it certainly puts to rest any absurdities of WB going HD-exclusive, if only for the moment.
 
[quote name='mykevermin']Huh. Evidently "title selection may vary by store" as stated on the advertisement translates into "Warner titles included in the box"?

Wow. Just...oh, who am I kidding? ;)[/quote] Actually, people who have purchased the players have reported getting 2 titles in the box. One was The Perfect Storm, but the other one was not Firewall. Can't remember off the top of my head what it was. Perhaps it's semi-random by batch?

Edit: "Rumor Has It" was the other reported title.
 
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