Gears of War 3 - Release Date Sept. 20

I still can't really see peoples beef with the shotgun being to prevalent. I see a good variety of weapons being used, except the lancer. No ones using that.

I normally only like objective based games so you see a lot of up close shotgun battles over objectives but there's also plenty of folks using longshots and retro lancers to support their shotgunnig teammates.

I still cannnot stand the spawning in team deathmatch. Borderline broken.
 
Yeah I don't get the hate on the shotguns, they seemed more balanced now, point blank will take you out pretty quickly which makes sense. The sawed off just seems useless though, you have to have a perfect shot, or you'll lose. I have yet to try the original lancer or the hammerburst, been using the retro lancer and gnasher since I started.
 
[quote name='popular penguin']I saw someone with a different gun paint job, black with green lightning. How did he get that?[/QUOTE]

I think I heard about exclusive Bulletstorm skins for your gun. Could this be it?

If anyone got the "Old Guard" medal to unlock, please let me know.
 
[quote name='popular penguin']I think I heard about exclusive Bulletstorm skins for your gun. Could this be it?

If anyone got the "Old Guard" medal to unlock, please let me know.[/QUOTE]

Old guard medal isnt unlockable in the beta.
 
[quote name='LinkinPrime']Yeah I don't get the hate on the shotguns, they seemed more balanced now, point blank will take you out pretty quickly which makes sense. The sawed off just seems useless though, you have to have a perfect shot, or you'll lose. I have yet to try the original lancer or the hammerburst, been using the retro lancer and gnasher since I started.[/QUOTE]

For me it's just the fact that SO MANY players resort to just flanking you as fast as they can, charging you with point blank shotgun blast.

Yes, you can dodge it.
Yes, there are things you can do to stop them.

The problem is, SO MANY players do it that you spend the majority of your time trying to make sure you aren't surrounded by too much geometry so you can roll away if you can. You also have to constantly expect a shotgun rusher at any time from the side and be ready for it.

Then, the only real defense against shotgun rushers is to be a shotgun rusher - which isn't fun.

Every game will eventually end up being mostly focused on whatever is easiest to get kills with and hardest to defend. That's the shotgun in GoW.

That's just not the game I want to play. I like the idea of a cover based shooter, but when so few people actually play GoW as a cover based shooter, it makes it the opposite of fun.

Gears is a really fun game at the medium to long range fighting. Unfortunately those battles are the exception not the rule.
 
I see all kinds of guns being used throughout all my matches. I haven't ran into any pure shotgun matches yet. I did pop in Gears 2 briefly and oh my....
 
All the rolling is borderline comical (they need a stamina/energy meter to stop the spamming) and assault rifles are still ass in the G.o.W. franchise... Oh, how I miss my PS.3. and Uncharted.

Too bad no "Silverback" exosuit in multiplayer.
 
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[quote name='sasukekun']Sorry, meant the multiplayer character setup.

Playing solo sucks, you always get put in a team who's already losing and by the time you get actual people, there's no way you can catch up.[/QUOTE] I know, I checked everywhere, i still don't see a gun with that paintjob. Hmmm...

[quote name='popular penguin']I think I heard about exclusive Bulletstorm skins for your gun. Could this be it?

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Maybe, I'll have to use my Bulletstorm epic edition beta to find out about it this week. I want that goddamn paintjob. Sounds boss.
 
Its balanced alright. Just depends on the team. I've played mix of shotgun/assault rifles and i've played wholes teams with 1 set. All of its easy to counter. Having a ton of fun but i've only won 1 Ctl lol
 
So in the Gears universe humanity is on the verge of extinction if they don't finish off the Locust. They're running low on manpower, weapons, and ammo as evidenced by the reintroduction of the Retro Lancer.

All of the multiplayer battles between 1 and 3 should be considered cannon. We've used so many slugs between Gears 1 and 2 and all the shotgun battles that there's no way there are any extra reloads left for the Gnasher. The Devs should've made the Gnasher into a melee-based club weapon. :lol:
 
What's with everyone's beef about the shotgun? You do realize you're playing Gears of War, right? I mean, I'd gamble to say 75% of the game is shotgun battles and that's what people love about it.

There's a much larger emphasis on other weapons as opposed to the first two games, but it's still going to come down to shotgun battles more often than not. It's not an issue with the game, it's designed that way.
 
today i had a match where one of my COG teammates was a locust. He even showed up red on the TAC COM.

I also had a terrible match where this anya kept using the reto lancer charge and getting me. Even if i shot her with the gnasher before she hit me. Three different times this happened. Then a 4th time she was charging me and i stepped to the side about 2 feet away and she still connected. It was utter BS.
 
A lot of these issues can also be erased by playing witth friends.
2 guys shotgunning, 2 guys retro lancer, or hammerburst, and one guy with a specialty weapon.

Then you have your close range, and 2 guys to support them , and one guy sniping. Plus talking to your team makes it so much easier to coordinate and stack the odds in your favor.

Its much easier to not get shotgunned flanked when you have a buddy yelling in your headset that there's a guy near you, plus him and your other teammate with lancers can spray him down at range if they're spotting for you and the other shotgun teammate.

Hit me up if anyone wants.

Gamertag is Warboss Zorbag
 
[quote name='thrustbucket']
For me it's just the fact that SO MANY players resort to just flanking you as fast as they can, charging you with point blank shotgun blast.

Yes, you can dodge it.
Yes, there are things you can do to stop them.

The problem is, SO MANY players do it that you spend the majority of your time trying to make sure you aren't surrounded by too much geometry so you can roll away if you can. You also have to constantly expect a shotgun rusher at any time from the side and be ready for it.

Then, the only real defense against shotgun rushers is to be a shotgun rusher - which isn't fun.

Every game will eventually end up being mostly focused on whatever is easiest to get kills with and hardest to defend. That's the shotgun in GoW.

That's just not the game I want to play. I like the idea of a cover based shooter, but when so few people actually play GoW as a cover based shooter, it makes it the opposite of fun.

Gears is a really fun game at the medium to long range fighting. Unfortunately those battles are the exception not the rule.
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Retro Lancer works really well against people rushing you with the shotgun. You will almost always down them before they get to you.
 
Tell me about it sometimes i get downed by a retro lancer in less than a second. Maybe its just my shitty connection but sometimes i see BS. Shoot a guy 2-3 times with a gnasher and he wont go down. I get killed by a sawed off from 5 feet away, or behind cover. It just gets annoying when you should have killed someone and end up dead. But i guess that can be said to happen in every MP game.

I unlocked the gold retro lancer, now to get 100 kills with it and ill have everything unlocked. I thought it would take a longer time to unlock stuff, guess not. Just have to pray my xbox dont break during this beta so i can get the other 3 flaming weapons in their corresponding weeks.
 
[quote name='I OU a Beatn']What's with everyone's beef about the shotgun? You do realize you're playing Gears of War, right? I mean, I'd gamble to say 75% of the game is shotgun battles and that's what people love about it.

There's a much larger emphasis on other weapons as opposed to the first two games, but it's still going to come down to shotgun battles more often than not. It's not an issue with the game, it's designed that way.[/QUOTE]

If people don't like it being "just" shotgun battles then it is an issue with the game. Things people don't enjoy are issues with the game in the eyes of the developers.

on another note: I am dying to play this beta :(
 
I loved Trenches as lots of interesting weapons on there means less shotgun battles, has a cool dust storm, and just looks better than the other 3 maps.
 
[quote name='I OU a Beatn']What's with everyone's beef about the shotgun? You do realize you're playing Gears of War, right? I mean, I'd gamble to say 75% of the game is shotgun battles and that's what people love about it.
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The shotguns are what I DESPISE about Gears. I played the hell out of Gears 2 and loved it DESPITE the shotguns. I wish there was a game mode in Gears 3 that had no shottys. Force everyone to use a Lancer/Hammerburst/Pistol/Power Weapon. A lot of players would hate it, yes, but a decent sized minority (like myself) would love it.
 
The download for the Bulletstorm Epic Edition is supposed to be up at 2AM PST tomorrow (Monday, April 18th). That's if all goes smoothly with it working.
 
[quote name='DJP519']The shotguns are what I DESPISE about Gears. I played the hell out of Gears 2 and loved it DESPITE the shotguns. I wish there was a game mode in Gears 3 that had no shottys. Force everyone to use a Lancer/Hammerburst/Pistol/Power Weapon. A lot of players would hate it, yes, but a decent sized minority (like myself) would love it.[/QUOTE]

Almost everyone I know has a bit of shotgun beef. Also, check out ANY impressions of the beta from game sites and they all also have a shotgun beef. Custom modes or a NO SHOTGUN mode would be a lot more popular than many might think. Now, I need to find a way into this beta! :lol:
 
[quote name='Saint Noir']Almost everyone I know has a bit of shotgun beef. Also, check out ANY impressions of the beta from game sites and they all also have a shotgun beef. Custom modes or a NO SHOTGUN mode would be a lot more popular than many might think. Now, I need to find a way into this beta! :lol:[/QUOTE]

I would play the ShaqFu outta that!
 
I don't see why so many people bitch about the shotguns. It's a ****ing shotgun, of course it should dominate other weapons in close range.

So far, Gears 3 seems to have a much better weapon balance. The Gnasher was overpowered in the first game, I'll admit it. It was just about the only weapon I ever used. In this Beta, though, I'm relying on my Lancer just as much as the shotgun. You get torn up easily if you try to run around with a shotgun against good players using assault rifles. That's exactly how it should work.

If you get bum rushed by a shotgunner, it's because YOU failed to see it coming. There are plenty of mid-range and long-range weapons to choose from. There are only two shotguns.
 
[quote name='poison_SHADOW']If you get bum rushed by a shotgunner, it's because YOU failed to see it coming. There are plenty of mid-range and long-range weapons to choose from. There are only two shotguns.[/QUOTE]

Bullshit. I've been killed plenty of times by people rolling through my Retro Lancer fire to get close enough to one-shot me with the Sawed-Off.
 
[quote name='poison_SHADOW']I don't see why so many people bitch about the shotguns. It's a ****ing shotgun, of course it should dominate other weapons in close range.

So far, Gears 3 seems to have a much better weapon balance. The Gnasher was overpowered in the first game, I'll admit it. It was just about the only weapon I ever used. In this Beta, though, I'm relying on my Lancer just as much as the shotgun. You get torn up easily if you try to run around with a shotgun against good players using assault rifles. That's exactly how it should work.

If you get bum rushed by a shotgunner, it's because YOU failed to see it coming. There are plenty of mid-range and long-range weapons to choose from. There are only two shotguns.[/QUOTE]

And that's exactly how it WAS in the past games: Shotguns owning everything short and medium range. Glad to see that they've toned em down in the Beta.
 
[quote name='poison_SHADOW']It's a ****ing shotgun, of course it should dominate other weapons in close range.[/QUOTE]

QFT x1,000,000.

If the Gnasher is consistent for EVERYONE now instead of just host and their team alone then I'm going to be ecstatic. Nice to know despite the better weapon balance most Gearheads still prefer to actively hunt people down rather than roast marshmallows out in the wilderness ass humping the nearest stump they can find to maintain their precious kill death ratios.

[quote name='DJP519']I wish there was a game mode in Gears 3 that had no shottys. Force everyone to use a Lancer/Hammerburst/Pistol/Power Weapon. A lot of players would hate it, yes, but a decent sized minority (like myself) would love it.[/QUOTE]

I'm almost surprised so many people forgot such a mode existed in Gears 2. I believe they called it Warzone against a good team.

I honestly can't wait to play this beta. I guess I'll have to keep my fingers crossed on the EE servers firing up at 2am.
 
[quote name='Ink.So.Well.']


I'm almost surprised so many people forgot such a mode existed in Gears 2. I believe they called it Warzone against a good team.

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No warzone still had shotguns, shotgun is always on in default weapons.

[quote name='DJP519']The shotguns are what I DESPISE about Gears. I played the hell out of Gears 2 and loved it DESPITE the shotguns. I wish there was a game mode in Gears 3 that had no shottys. Force everyone to use a Lancer/Hammerburst/Pistol/Power Weapon. A lot of players would hate it, yes, but a decent sized minority (like myself) would love it.[/QUOTE]


THANK YOU! I hate the gears shottys, people rely on them wayyyy to much. Hope this changes in gears 3. guess ill see once this is done downloading. Also, keep in mind custom matches, you should be able to host and join custom weaponed matches in retail.
 
I don't think the shotguns are the problem, it's the power boost from the active relodes. Instead of removing the shotgun, I suggest that the perfect relode window should be reduced to a really thin line. The power AND accuracy from an active shotgun is insane. That's why you see people unloading their guns as soon as they respawn.
 
[quote name='Ink.So.Well.']QFT x1,000,000.

If the Gnasher is consistent for EVERYONE now instead of just host and their team alone then I'm going to be ecstatic. Nice to know despite the better weapon balance most Gearheads still prefer to actively hunt people down rather than roast marshmallows out in the wilderness ass humping the nearest stump they can find to maintain their precious kill death ratios.[/QUOTE]

I've played it, you haven't. The Gnasher isn't consistent on a person to person basis. Dedicated servers do not fix everything. I watched my teammate put a shot into a guy's back point blank. The guy turned around and they killed each other.
 
[quote name='Trakan']I've played it, you haven't. The Gnasher isn't consistent on a person to person basis. Dedicated servers do not fix everything. I watched my teammate put a shot into a guy's back point blank. The guy turned around and they killed each other.[/QUOTE]

I've played it too, and I've yet to notice any inconsistency with the Gnasher. I think sometimes people just forget to consider the possibility that the other person had an active reload. It makes a huge difference.

[quote name='popular penguin']I don't think the shotguns are the problem, it's the power boost from the active relodes. Instead of removing the shotgun, I suggest that the perfect relode window should be reduced to a really thin line. The power AND accuracy from an active shotgun is insane. That's why you see people unloading their guns as soon as they respawn.[/QUOTE]

Y'know, that's actually a great point. I definitely wouldn't mind if they made that small change.
 
^
I'm glad you agree with me. I think my suggestion is very reasonable. I just wish I can pitch this idea to Epic Games somehow, you know, before the retail release.
 
I liek how people can still casually roll or walk through my lancer fire from what seems like halfway across the map, and one shot me with a shotgun. After awhile I switched to sawed off and did the same thing. Casually walk towards them, fire my shotgun before they fire theirs, and get a kill. Casually walk away to reload and walk back towards them for another one shot kill. It's so stupid that it not only works, but works far better than trying to unload a lancer clip into them.
 
The one thing I hate about the game, that can't be fixed, is the f***ing pre-actives. It's sad when at the beginning of a match and the player has to f'ing active reload before they even shoot someone once. I really wish something would be done to fix that but it's just players being lame and retarded.
 
[quote name='I OU a Beatn']What's with everyone's beef about the shotgun? You do realize you're playing Gears of War, right? I mean, I'd gamble to say 75% of the game is shotgun battles and that's what people love about it.

There's a much larger emphasis on other weapons as opposed to the first two games, but it's still going to come down to shotgun battles more often than not. It's not an issue with the game, it's designed that way.[/QUOTE]

My beef is in the fact that Gears 1 and 2 were marketed and sold as a COVER BASED SHOOTER. All the marketing for the game, all the gameplay videos with cliffy showing it off, all the ads - sold it as a COVER BASED SHOOTER. It was not sold as a shotgun/roll fest.

If they want to market Gears 3 as a shotgun game, I'll be a lot less pissed. But marketing your game as something everyone know's it's not is retarded.

I haven't played Gears 3, but if the majority of matches start out from spawn with everyone unloading their shotguns to get active reloads, you can count me out of multiplayer at game launch. Any idiot of any skill level can run around the map spamming shotgun blasts and get at least a few kills. You can't say that about the medium/long range weapons.

If they come out with a mode where shotguns are a pick-up weapon or gone all-together, I'll play.
 
[quote name='thrustbucket']

If they come out with a mode where shotguns are a pick-up weapon or gone all-together, I'll play.[/QUOTE]

Guarantee if this happens, everyone will just run around and melee/chainsaw.
 
[quote name='bs000']They all work for me.[/QUOTE]
That's so weird, I didn't do anything different, that's the only shit that's showing up in my list though!
 
They get All-Acces because they have VIP codes.

For the rest of us -
Mon 18th through Sun 24th - TDM on Thrashball and Checkout only
Mon 25th through Sun 1st - TDM on Thrashball, Checkout, and Trenches only
Mon 2nd through Sun 8th - TDM and KOTH on all 4 beta maps
Mon 9th through Sun 15th - TDM, KOTH, and CTL on all 4 beta maps

Question for other Bulletstorm EE users. Is it just me or is there no voice chat?
 
I have All Access, I got a VIP code. I don't understand why I only have TDM now! I know my brother booted the Beta from my Bulletstorm disc this morning, but it didn't do anything different, I've even deleted everything and re-downloaded it from my All Access pass and shit still is stuck with TDM only.
 
Look at the post above yours. The KOTH and CTL + 2 other maps were only for VIPs last week to yesterday. Now that the Bulletstorm people can play the game, they limited it to TDM on 2 maps. They'll be back in a few weeks.
 
Oh, they limited it for all of us? That sucks, I really loved CTL and haven't tried KOTH yet. That's wayyyy too long to wait to play them again.

Especially Old Town, I loved that map.
 
I had a chance to play for about 2 hours in pubs and so far the shotgun has been absolutely exquisite. Extremely consistent to the point where I can blind fire head pop or gib recently revives without actives at point blank range. My shots have been connecting where and when they should with the desired effect; who could possibly ask for more? The weapon balance feels spot on aside from the Sawed-Off and Digger Launcher being the most noob friendly weapons I've ever seen in my life, but I can deal. The Digger is easily avoidable and the Sawed-Off is only a kill shot at bear hug range so if you're caught off guard or allow them to reload for a second shot you deserve it. Every death I've received with a shotgun thus far was due to reaction time or being out maneuvered, corner campers, pre-actives (seldom but it's pubs so this will definitely change in ranked + when the public beta is live), outside interference via smoke or guardian angel teammates, lack of map knowledge and not paying enough attention to my surroundings. It also feels like they added a slight delay to wall bouncing but it might just be me. I'll have to crank up my sensitivity to get used to it.

The rifles have gotten a huge boost compared to Gears 2 and I see plenty of people taking advantage of it. The bullets aren't for just show this time; I love it. The almighty Hammerhock is pretty ridiculous when backed by a well seasoned trigger finger. The new reticule is drop dead gorgeous, iron sights are a nice touch and you can easily rack up a bunch of kills without ever touching a shotgun out in the battlefield. I've dealt with at least 2 spawn weapon camping teams Warzoning themselves to victory and randoms strolling around blind firing the Retro for bullshit downs so I still find it difficult sympathizing with anyone complaining about blind or flanking shotty rush. It honestly seems like players have more options than they care to admit when you can't take five steps without running into a solid piece of cover. No one is forcing you to play alone and if you're playing with a full team then I'm open to hearing specific grievances so I can understand exactly where you're coming from. Seriously, no bullshit. School me so I can prepare accordingly. Although I do believe it's possible I've yet to see anyone survive half a clip of Retro at close range or Hammer from mid to close while bumrushing with a Sawed-Off or Gnasher. I've honestly been killed more at a range with focused Lancer or Retro fire, random power weapons, and Sawed-Off campers than traditional 1v1 pre-active Gnasher fire.

I know I've barely scratched the surface so I'm bracing myself for what actually is broken and rage inducing for me because I haven't come across anything that wasn't counterable to a reasonable extent. If this keeps up Epic will have redeemed itself in my eyes for the abortion that is GoW 2 MP.
 
[quote name='thrustbucket']My beef is in the fact that Gears 1 and 2 were marketed and sold as a COVER BASED SHOOTER. All the marketing for the game, all the gameplay videos with cliffy showing it off, all the ads - sold it as a COVER BASED SHOOTER. It was not sold as a shotgun/roll fest.

If they want to market Gears 3 as a shotgun game, I'll be a lot less pissed. But marketing your game as something everyone know's it's not is retarded.

I haven't played Gears 3, but if the majority of matches start out from spawn with everyone unloading their shotguns to get active reloads, you can count me out of multiplayer at game launch. Any idiot of any skill level can run around the map spamming shotgun blasts and get at least a few kills. You can't say that about the medium/long range weapons.

If they come out with a mode where shotguns are a pick-up weapon or gone all-together, I'll play.[/QUOTE]


I don't understand your problem. If you don't use cover in this franchise then you are doing yourself wrong. I love rocking people with my lancer from behind cover. Been doing it since Gears 1. Change the way you play to combat them from cover and they will have to change the way they play. I know I rush people if they end up stinking and I don't care about cover. I respect those that force me to use cover.
 
I believe this was the gun skin I saw someone with: http://www.xboxer360.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/10/tribal.jpg

Also, check this out. Apparently, someone found tons of info on Gears3 by extracting a Bulletstorm ISO: All campaign chapters, skins, and characters (RAAM is back baby!) See the video at the bottom for proof: http://www.xboxer360.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/10/tribal.jpg


Sorry for not posting links, I use the mobile version of CAG.
 
[quote name='Ink.So.Well.']I had a chance to play for about 2 hours in pubs and so far the shotgun has been absolutely exquisite. Extremely consistent to the point where I can blind fire head pop or gib recently revives without actives at point blank range. My shots have been connecting where and when they should with the desired effect; who could possibly ask for more? The weapon balance feels spot on aside from the Sawed-Off and Digger Launcher being the most noob friendly weapons I've ever seen in my life, but I can deal. The Digger is easily avoidable and the Sawed-Off is only a kill shot at bear hug range so if you're caught off guard or allow them to reload for a second shot you deserve it. Every death I've received with a shotgun thus far was due to reaction time or being out maneuvered, corner campers, pre-actives (seldom but it's pubs so this will definitely change in ranked + when the public beta is live), outside interference via smoke or guardian angel teammates, lack of map knowledge and not paying enough attention to my surroundings. It also feels like they added a slight delay to wall bouncing but it might just be me. I'll have to crank up my sensitivity to get used to it.

The rifles have gotten a huge boost compared to Gears 2 and I see plenty of people taking advantage of it. The bullets aren't for just show this time; I love it. The almighty Hammerhock is pretty ridiculous when backed by a well seasoned trigger finger. The new reticule is drop dead gorgeous, iron sights are a nice touch and you can easily rack up a bunch of kills without ever touching a shotgun out in the battlefield. I've dealt with at least 2 spawn weapon camping teams Warzoning themselves to victory and randoms strolling around blind firing the Retro for bullshit downs so I still find it difficult sympathizing with anyone complaining about blind or flanking shotty rush. It honestly seems like players have more options than they care to admit when you can't take five steps without running into a solid piece of cover. No one is forcing you to play alone and if you're playing with a full team then I'm open to hearing specific grievances so I can understand exactly where you're coming from. Seriously, no bullshit. School me so I can prepare accordingly. Although I do believe it's possible I've yet to see anyone survive half a clip of Retro at close range or Hammer from mid to close while bumrushing with a Sawed-Off or Gnasher. I've honestly been killed more at a range with focused Lancer or Retro fire, random power weapons, and Sawed-Off campers than traditional 1v1 pre-active Gnasher fire.

I know I've barely scratched the surface so I'm bracing myself for what actually is broken and rage inducing for me because I haven't come across anything that wasn't counterable to a reasonable extent. If this keeps up Epic will have redeemed itself in my eyes for the abortion that is GoW 2 MP.[/QUOTE]

Once it's back, play CTL on Old Town. Let the rage begin.
 
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