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[quote name='DJP519']That's not OP, that's having a fighting chance. If you want to win that battle using a gnasher, you better gib the other guy in one shot. It's not fair to a guy unloading an entire magazine from the rifle to lose because the gnasher had time to fire twice.[/QUOTE]

Im lucky if i ever gib someone with one shot, even if im humping his back. Im always shooting people in the face then getting shot back and die. Its amazing, i dont know if its my connection or what.
 
You know, the sawed off is really bad in this game. I can barely get any kills with this gun. I thought it was supposed to be similar to the gnasher, but it seems to have far less range. Its kinda awesome that it shoots two rapid fire shots, but at the same time with its lack of range you need both shots to maybe get a kill.
 
[quote name='Kotomine']Just out of curiosity, what's everyone's current level/re-up?[/QUOTE]

30/1st re-up.
Mostly playing Survival mode and a little bit other MP modes.
Haven't touched the campaign, yet.
 
[quote name='dennisb407']April 8 Update Notes


  • All rifles being reverted to values they were at ship
  • Stun on smoke grenades being converted to match melee stun (reduces stun from 2 seconds to 0.3 seconds)
  • Stumble after falling from high distance also getting slight reduction in length (ongoing effort to remove bad stun issues from game)
  • Smoke martyr being removed for reals (didn’t take last time)
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Huh? Does that mean they are nerfing the rifles now?
 
[quote name='LinkinPrime']Whack...just when i was starting to enjoy the changes.[/QUOTE]

It should be embarrassing that EPIC/PCF have had 3 wildly different states of their mp in the span of 3 weeks. They really need to stop balancing based solely on the stats. How is anyone supposed to get a feel for the game when it changes weekly?
 
[quote name='panda911']It should be embarrassing that EPIC/PCF have had 3 wildly different states of their mp in the span of 3 weeks. They really need to stop balancing based solely on the stats. How is anyone supposed to get a feel for the game when it changes weekly?[/QUOTE]
Epic did the multiplayer.

But it is absurd that this has changed so much in under a month. This is exactly why you do Betas. It's like gaming companies have become dumber in the last few years. Gears of War 3's Beta pointed out many issues with the game with plenty of time before release for them to address them. While it obviously didn't correct every issue, something like that allowed the community to sample the game, while also giving feedback and player tracked information that allowed Epic to adjust the game.

What's worse is that many of the 'changes' are stealth, where there is no pop-up that tells you in the game. You shouldn't have to follow a (worthless) twitter account or forum to find out that one weapon has been weakened, while another has been made stronger. That's just sloppy design and poor effort on their part.
 
[quote name='The Ebbtide']Epic did the multiplayer.

But it is absurd that this has changed so much in under a month. This is exactly why you do Betas. It's like gaming companies have become dumber in the last few years. Gears of War 3's Beta pointed out many issues with the game with plenty of time before release for them to address them. While it obviously didn't correct every issue, something like that allowed the community to sample the game, while also giving feedback and player tracked information that allowed Epic to adjust the game.

What's worse is that many of the 'changes' are stealth, where there is no pop-up that tells you in the game. You shouldn't have to follow a (worthless) twitter account or forum to find out that one weapon has been weakened, while another has been made stronger. That's just sloppy design and poor effort on their part.[/QUOTE]

I wholeheartedly agree with this statement. I don't get why they continue to announce patch updates on forums, twitter...etc. and not IN THE GAME!
 
This game needs more maps badly! We are supposedly getting an old school map in a future download. They are holding a vote on the epic forums for it with Canals being in the lead. We need Gridlock!!!
 
[quote name='CHEAP ASS DUDE']This game needs more maps badly! We are supposedly getting an old school map in a future download. They are holding a vote on the epic forums for it with Canals being in the lead. We need Gridlock!!![/QUOTE]

I frequent the epic forums and havent seen anything on this. Do you have a link?
 
well that does it for me then. i thought it was actually great that they balanced out the rifle more but they just want to appease the whiny fans when the game is already tilted towards gnasher play. i'm officially abandoning this game and just going to trade my copy back into Amazon. Luckily I locked in the $45 TIV yesterday when AMZ went weird. I'm just going to go back to TDM on Gears 3 and look out for an awesome deal on Judgment down the line if they ever add more to the MP instead of just new maps. Gears was what made me buy an Xbox in the first place so hopefully Gears 4 will be good enough again to make me buy the new Xbox otherwise it'll be a pretty simple decision where to go for next gen exclusively.
 
I still think rifles are powerful, they just arent OP anymore. So its not as easy to get kills with them, they can still do a lot of damage. Im a gnasher user and i still get killed by lancers and retros. Them nerfing it back to normal doesnt mean they are useless.
 
[quote name='CHEAP ASS DUDE']http://forums.epicgames.com/threads/953822-Possible-Flashback-Maps-For-Judgment[/QUOTE]

Thanks!

Yuck Canals is leading??? I mean its not a bad map but out of all the gears maps that one is winning? Whats even worse is that checkout is 3rd. If you want to play checkout go play Gears of War 3! Why even have Gears 3 maps in the voting when you can go now and play on them. Its a little harder to play gears 1 and 2 maps and have fun with low population and lag all over. War Machine at 5th is another one i would rather not see in my lifetime. I didnt like it in Gears 2. I would like to see River, Highway, Ruins, Mansion. I mean aside from the maps like Blood drive or Jacinto.

I read the servers are offline right now, and it does feel laggy lately.

So yeah, they should just rename this game Girls of War Judgment, since it seems 80% of players in a 10 man lobby are female. -_- Not hating on females but you know they only play as them because the smaller hitbox. I dont mind female characters, i just wish they werent so damn skinny, otherwise i would rather just have all men like Gears 2.
 
[quote name='The 7th Number']Thanks!

Yuck Canals is leading??? I mean its not a bad map but out of all the gears maps that one is winning? Whats even worse is that checkout is 3rd. If you want to play checkout go play Gears of War 3! Why even have Gears 3 maps in the voting when you can go now and play on them. Its a little harder to play gears 1 and 2 maps and have fun with low population and lag all over. War Machine at 5th is another one i would rather not see in my lifetime. I didnt like it in Gears 2. I would like to see River, Highway, Ruins, Mansion. I mean aside from the maps like Blood drive or Jacinto.
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Canals and War Machine have been scientifically proven to be the best two Gears maps ever created.
 
I guess all that i care about is that a Gears 1 or Gears 2 map wins. I wouldnt want any of the Gears 3 maps to win, unless it was a forces of nature map, i liked those. But i really didnt like any of the launch gears 3 maps that werent remakes of old games.
 
[quote name='Trakan']Canals and War Machine have been scientifically proven to be the best two Gears maps ever created.[/QUOTE]

of course thats when you take Gridlock out of the equation
 
Anyone around to go for Wave 10 of Survival? We have 3, looking for at least one more. Matchmade players are always garbage. Respond here or on Live
 
I'm tired of Gridlock. It's been in every game, yes, but that means we never had a chance to miss it.

My personal favorite is Raven Down, but that would not lend itself well to FFA matches, thus, I don't expect it to be back.

Canals is a good choice. Gotta figure you'll be able to drop down from the bridges to the ground in this game. That will change the way it plays a little bit. River would also be a good choice. That was an extremely popular map in Gears 2.
 
River would be a nice choice. Being able to drop down from the bridges. Or from the houses where the torque / sniper spawned.

Old Bones was a great one from Gears 1 that I completely forgot about.
 
I loved River. Sprint to the Torque Bow, take out the enemy on the other side picking up the torque bow, nail the enemy coming up from under the bridge with the boom shot...easy 2 kills every round if you were quick enough. Easily one of my favorites. I don't know if it could top Blood Drive(best map in any game, period) or Jacinto, but it's definitely up there.

I'd be okay with Canals, too.
 
Yeah if you like rifles id recommend the retro. By the time i know im getting shot by one im already dead. Gun is so quick to down me. Of course if i use it, it would probably feel a lot longer to down someone.

I still like overrun, its a nice change of pace from regular MP. But i hate these guys who pick grenadier and just camp back and do almost nothing. One guy was sitting back shooting a turret that no one was using when he could have been moving up and shooting fortifications or the e-hole. I guess they are just going for points instead of actually trying to win the game?

Also i have no idea why anyone would pick a kantus in the beginning of the game. Usually people are tickers, which the kantus is worthless with. Kantus is really great when you have 2 maulers and maybe a corpser coming in. Not enough people pick the kantus when we have the big boys out. And they really make a huge difference.

I really cant wait for this new overrun map to get released. Im still trying to work on the medals for every COG except Baird. I really dont like playing as anyone but baird, but i wont be him because i need other medals, not until we are on the last e-hole, then i might be baird just to try to stop them from winning. I think cole is the most frustrating one to use, because half the time i throw ammo at someone they walk away and not even care. Even when they have a low ammo icon over their head. At least paduk you can debuff enemies on your own. Sofia is a little tricky though, because most of the time i find my teammates end up dead and unable to be revived. Only once in a while they will die but be able to be revived.
 
Actually i have to say lancers are still pretty damn strong in the game. I think the whole reason they werent high in kill statistics is either no one used them much (until epic told players they buffed it) or maybe a lot of their kills came from rushers, where you would lancer them and then melee when they get close. I really have no idea, but the gun is still strong, at least against me. It also helps if you use them in range. Though ive melee then lancer people down before. But my point is lancers are still strong, just got to know how to use them. Yeah sometimes you get caught and someone just rushes you and one shots you, happens to me too.
 
I don't get why they're asking for requests for a previous map from the community, but then saying no requests from Gears of War. Then they emphasize the need for vertical maps for the requests, but none of the maps from the series really had any vertical design to them. If anything, they were usually deceptive with the vertical appearance of them, where the level may have gone up, but there was no level above or beneath the elevated areas. Or, if there was a level above or below, it was enclosed.

This feels like some sort of trick.

No one will agree, but Rooftops would be the best map to try to work with for Execution and Team based games with this new design. The new design would allow you to climb over ledges, rather than only take the staircase paths. It would allow you to run into and climb out of those enclosed rooms to the sides by the Torque Bow spawn, rather than only have one doorway in. You'd be able to climb out of the pill boxed areas where the Hammer of Dawn was located for each side. This would give new life to a map, without needing to change its structure.

I think they'd need to make it clear that some maps are only for Team games, some are only for Free For All, and some are only for Survival.

And I guess no one wants to go for Insane Survival Estate but GuitarMan and myself?
 
I haven't played any MP in Gears 1/2 and mainly horde for Gears 3, so I'm not too familiar with the MP maps but I do know that they do need to put out more maps, especially for Survival/Overrun mode. I was thrilled when I heard they were coming out with the Haven map, but then disappointed when I found out it wasn't for Survival/Overrun and that it felt like a really small map.

[quote name='The Ebbtide']And I guess no one wants to go for Insane Survival Estate but GuitarMan and myself?[/QUOTE]
If no one wants to do the Insane run, I'd love to join a team to at least beat that damn Skyline map(hardcore or normal). :wall:
 
[quote name='The Ebbtide']I don't get why they're asking for requests for a previous map from the community, but then saying no requests from Gears of War. Then they emphasize the need for vertical maps for the requests, but none of the maps from the series really had any vertical design to them. If anything, they were usually deceptive with the vertical appearance of them, where the level may have gone up, but there was no level above or beneath the elevated areas. Or, if there was a level above or below, it was enclosed.

This feels like some sort of trick.

No one will agree, but Rooftops would be the best map to try to work with for Execution and Team based games with this new design. The new design would allow you to climb over ledges, rather than only take the staircase paths. It would allow you to run into and climb out of those enclosed rooms to the sides by the Torque Bow spawn, rather than only have one doorway in. You'd be able to climb out of the pill boxed areas where the Hammer of Dawn was located for each side. This would give new life to a map, without needing to change its structure.

I think they'd need to make it clear that some maps are only for Team games, some are only for Free For All, and some are only for Survival.

And I guess no one wants to go for Insane Survival Estate but GuitarMan and myself?[/QUOTE]


What do you get for beating Survival on Insane?

Rooftops was an excellent map! I clutched many a game by retreating to the little side rooms near the middle of the map. Loved popping the heads of people trying to pick up the Torque Bow!
 
Id love to see Highway. That map had high places that you could jump down in judgment. But it did have the scorcher! NOOOOO. Memorial has about as much vertical as Haven does. They are actually pretty similar. I think there are probably a few more maps that would work with jumping off ledges.
 
Allfathers Garden was also a favorite of mine from Gears 2. There are also some spots you could jump down from on that map.

They just need to release all the damn maps. Who cares if they aren't best suited for the new gameplay mechanics. GIVE US THE MAPS!
 
So I rented this for the last 3 days and I liked it overall. I actually did not mind the controller changes to be honest. Maybe I am just Geared out but after beating the game and Aftermath I just had no real excitement about going back to play. The MP is good enough and the new modes are fun but limited maps really hurt it. Maybe 6 months from now I will want to jump back in and do some of the harder achievements but after playing about 16 hours I just find I have had my fill. I felt the same way about the new God of War.
 
Yeah im getting tired of this game and i love gears of war. But there is only so much i can take. I love playing it when my friends are online, but when i just play with randoms its boring. When i try to play overrun, majority of players always be the grenadier and just sit back doing nothing. When they could all be tickers and smash a fortification down in seconds, they would rather sit there lancering away for minutes. I just dont understand it.

When i try to play TDM, its like everyone is throwing elbows. I personally hate the shoot melee combo that players can do in one fast motion. If its not elbows its dying from frags. I mean seriously giving people frags from the start was one of the dumbest things they could have done, and its one of the main reasons this game doesnt live up to past games.

I want to continue to play this and rank up to the max but i find myself not even wanting to play this after experiencing the things i wrote about above. When these things keep happening over and over it feels like im just fighting a losing battle.
 
[quote name='The 7th Number']Yeah im getting tired of this game and i love gears of war. But there is only so much i can take. I love playing it when my friends are online, but when i just play with randoms its boring. When i try to play overrun, majority of players always be the grenadier and just sit back doing nothing. When they could all be tickers and smash a fortification down in seconds, they would rather sit there lancering away for minutes. I just dont understand it.

When i try to play TDM, its like everyone is throwing elbows. I personally hate the shoot melee combo that players can do in one fast motion. If its not elbows its dying from frags. I mean seriously giving people frags from the start was one of the dumbest things they could have done, and its one of the main reasons this game doesnt live up to past games.

I want to continue to play this and rank up to the max but i find myself not even wanting to play this after experiencing the things i wrote about above. When these things keep happening over and over it feels like im just fighting a losing battle.[/QUOTE]
Why do you complain so much?
 
[quote name='The 7th Number']
I want to continue to play this and rank up to the max but i find myself not even wanting to play this after experiencing the things i wrote about above. When these things keep happening over and over it feels like im just fighting a losing battle.[/QUOTE]

Well you can stop playing the game. Gears 1-3 are still out there to play online if you so desire as well.

Honestly Epic doesn't have to be nice to at all, at least me. I already bought the game at full price and got the season pass before I even read into the content. So they got $80 out of me. I'm playing the game with friends and hoping the season pass content is good but that's all I can hope for at this point.
 
[quote name='GuitarMan']I haven't played any MP in Gears 1/2 and mainly horde for Gears 3, so I'm not too familiar with the MP maps but I do know that they do need to put out more maps, especially for Survival/Overrun mode. I was thrilled when I heard they were coming out with the Haven map, but then disappointed when I found out it wasn't for Survival/Overrun and that it felt like a really small map.


If no one wants to do the Insane run, I'd love to join a team to at least beat that damn Skyline map(hardcore or normal). :wall:[/QUOTE]
I was with a random group who was able to hold the 2nd E-hole on Skyline from round 5-8 the other day. I was on the Troika, and the other 4 held the left and middle, as I spotted anything that got by. It also helps that I've become really good at nailing those revive throws from the other sides of the map. I don't get all of them, but it allows me to stay on 'my' side, and keep them going on theirs.

If you want to play, let me know. I'm surprised there isn't a CAG clan for this game. 5 guys with headsets destroy in this game. When I played with randoms with headsets we've easily beaten teams of Baird, and shut them out on their turn as Locust, without using a team of Bairds. Communication is probably the best weapon in this game series. Now, if you had communication with a team of reliable and regular teammates, it'd be amazing.

[quote name='CHEAP ASS DUDE']What do you get for beating Survival on Insane?

Rooftops was an excellent map! I clutched many a game by retreating to the little side rooms near the middle of the map. Loved popping the heads of people trying to pick up the Torque Bow![/QUOTE]
Someone else who liked Rooftops?! Holy shit! Anytime I've ever brought up that map, people go on about how much they hated it. I always enjoyed those long matches, but I really liked the tactical setup of the map.

Anyway, back to Survival; you really don't get much for it. Just a medal the first time you beat Insane, and the satisfaction of knowing you beat the hardest mode of the game (at least for now). Plus, the XP you get from playing Survival on any difficulty is really small, so it's not like Horde where you could play it and level up if you didn't like competitive play. I'm enjoying it, and was curious if others wanted to try, but there doesn't seem to be interest.
 
[quote name='Monsta Mack']Well you can stop playing the game. Gears 1-3 are still out there to play online if you so desire as well.

Honestly Epic doesn't have to be nice to at all, at least me. I already bought the game at full price and got the season pass before I even read into the content. So they got $80 out of me. I'm playing the game with friends and hoping the season pass content is good but that's all I can hope for at this point.[/QUOTE]

Yeah, thats part of why i keep playing it. Because i already paid in full for it, and also there are goals i would like to meet. I mean i love gears and this game is fun, but there are a few things that really hurt the MP IMO. Im hoping they fix these things, or at least bring me something like Guardian where people dont start the game with frags. Thats all i would ever need. Hopefully there are some nice things coming in the season pass.
 
[quote name='CHEAP ASS DUDE']7th number. I'm gonna add you bro. We can run through scrubs together[/QUOTE]

Okay cool, but i enjoy playing overrun more than anything else. But sometimes i play Execution with a couple friends late at night.
 
Got 3 back to back to back head shots on Rig Execution last night. Pretty epic. I was last man left against 4. Breechshot is my friend!

What's up with the amount of people online? The numbers are getting smaller and smaller every day :(

Also why haven't epic announced any of the Season Pass content? :/
 
I still have a classic hammerburst code (for some reason i already can use classic hammerburst) and the gears of war 1 code. Not sure what to do with these. I still have Gears 1 in disc form, but neither the disc or GoD version seem to be worth trying to sell or trade.
 
[quote name='CHEAP ASS DUDE']Also why haven't epic announced any of the Season Pass content? :/[/QUOTE]
If you watch the Epic livestreams, they've referenced that they have partnerships that they have to wait for to announce things. I'd assume it's probably partners like IGN, since they also seem to be apart of announcing the DLC for Halo 4. The Maxim partnership was only for two maps, which they've since retracted, saying that they always planned to release the two maps separately (which is a lie), and that the second map pack from Maxim will include more stuff (than just a map?). They also keep saying DLC is coming soon, but that they cannot tell what is coming, and how much of it.

It's the opposite of Gears of War 3, where they had a lot to play on disc, and prematurely launched the DLC for the game so that everything for 3 was out after about six months had passed. Unfortunately, they need content with this game, but aren't saying anything about it.

I'd suspect that if the multiplayer numbers drop quickly, they'll move to launch stuff, as that's what happened with Gears of War 3 and Guardian, and Halo: Reach and Halo 4 with adding playlists and player requested things like rank tracking. Nothing seems to motivate these companies more than the fear of players trading their games in, increasing used games sales.
 
[quote name='The Ebbtide']I was with a random group who was able to hold the 2nd E-hole on Skyline from round 5-8 the other day. I was on the Troika, and the other 4 held the left and middle, as I spotted anything that got by. It also helps that I've become really good at nailing those revive throws from the other sides of the map. I don't get all of them, but it allows me to stay on 'my' side, and keep them going on theirs.

If you want to play, let me know. I'm surprised there isn't a CAG clan for this game. 5 guys with headsets destroy in this game. When I played with randoms with headsets we've easily beaten teams of Baird, and shut them out on their turn as Locust, without using a team of Bairds. Communication is probably the best weapon in this game series. Now, if you had communication with a team of reliable and regular teammates, it'd be amazing.[/QUOTE]

I'd love to finally beat that Skyline map, I should be avail Fri. evening, Sat. & Sun Afternoon. I think Lolwut? said he was looking for a Survival team to join in a game.

Played a few games this weekend(with randoms). The randoms playing is a mixed bag...some teams I've joined were really good and we were close to defeating the map, but then another game I'd defend one side by myself and hear the alarms as the 4 guys/gals on the other side can't even hold off the locust off on the 1st/2nd round and they wouldn't even use their abilities on others or man the turrets. But, then again it could have been the lag or whatever problem was going on with xbox live, this past weekend. Though, I only ran into one or two really laggy games.

[quote name='CHEAP ASS DUDE']Got 3 back to back to back head shots on Rig Execution last night. Pretty epic. I was last man left against 4. Breechshot is my friend![/QUOTE]
We could really use someone like you, if you like using Paduk or pretty much any of the characters, on our Survival team. Do you mind if I send you a Friend Request?

Hopefully, we can get a full CAG team going.
 
I still need to beat 2 survival maps, forget which ones. I think i beat it on junkyard. So if im available let me know and ill join. I will play as anyone.

I also need a bunch of campaign chapters in co-op. if anyone needs them too then we could always run through them on casual to get them over with.
 
I was just looking for one or two more people that night to play Survival. I have a couple buddies I play with, but the other two randoms we get on our team are always fucking retarded and have no idea what their doing, despite being prestiged.

Still have yet to beat wave 10 on any map.
 
[quote name='lolwut?']I was just looking for one or two more people that night to play Survival. I have a couple buddies I play with, but the other two randoms we get on our team are always fucking retarded and have no idea what their doing, despite being prestiged.

Still have yet to beat wave 10 on any map.[/QUOTE]

Why not just play it in Private on Normal or Casual? Really, you don't miss out on XP, as you hardly get any for playing Survival. It's pretty insulting how little you get for 30-60 minutes worth of play, actually. The two bot teammates won't be as awful, especially on Casual, and you'd get Survival done.

Also, would people want to play together in Overrun? I'm just so freaking tired of losing matches because people don't know how to play or move up. I just lost a match where I had MVP, beat the hell out of the generator and got the ribbon for doing 50% damage, all as a Wretch, and still my team didn't advance. I had 3-4 people on me, and, even without being fired on, my team still sucked. Adding further insult, one dumbass had YOLO in his gamertag, and another actually had Swagg in theirs.

We literally lost by 1 second due to time comparison. I was gutted.

5 CAGs playing could be unstoppable. Why aren't we playing together?!

Also;
Insane Survival, Friday 8PM EST anyone? GuitarMan is two, so we just need 3 more. If the time is not working, I'm fine with moving it. I just would like to have 5 people for this. Also, I expect to lose at it...so this could take a bit.
 
[quote name='GuitarMan']IWe could really use someone like you, if you like using Paduk or pretty much any of the characters, on our Survival team. Do you mind if I send you a Friend Request?

Hopefully, we can get a full CAG team going.[/QUOTE]

Send it bro! I'm usually on around 9 or later.
 
Beat estate survival on casual by myself. Wasnt too hard. Got to wave 8 before i had to fall back to the 2nd hole, and then wave 10 i fell back to the 3rd hole where they didnt even have a chance. Was a spotter the first two holes, but when i started the third hole i was baird just to make sure id beat it. Might try to do my last one, island. The bots played pretty good with me, when i needed ammo i went over to cole and pressed my empty trigger and he would usually throw some out.
 
[quote name='The Ebbtide']Also, would people want to play together in Overrun? I'm just so freaking tired of losing matches because people don't know how to play or move up. I just lost a match where I had MVP, beat the hell out of the generator and got the ribbon for doing 50% damage, all as a Wretch, and still my team didn't advance. I had 3-4 people on me, and, even without being fired on, my team still sucked. Adding further insult, one dumbass had YOLO in his gamertag, and another actually had Swagg in theirs.

We literally lost by 1 second due to time comparison. I was gutted.

5 CAGs playing could be unstoppable. Why aren't we playing together?!

Also;
Insane Survival, Friday 8PM EST anyone? GuitarMan is two, so we just need 3 more. If the time is not working, I'm fine with moving it. I just would like to have 5 people for this. Also, I expect to lose at it...so this could take a bit.[/QUOTE]
Funny that I play a lot of Survival but Overrun not so much. Maybe for the same reasons others get frustrated with overrun. I'd say I would know what to do as the COG but I'd have to follow the leader as locust...especially with the ticker holes and wretch jumping areas. I'd be up for it.
I'll try and be on by 8p.

[quote name='The 7th Number']Beat estate survival on casual by myself. Wasnt too hard. Got to wave 8 before i had to fall back to the 2nd hole, and then wave 10 i fell back to the 3rd hole where they didnt even have a chance. Was a spotter the first two holes, but when i started the third hole i was baird just to make sure id beat it. Might try to do my last one, island. The bots played pretty good with me, when i needed ammo i went over to cole and pressed my empty trigger and he would usually throw some out.[/QUOTE]
Damn...holding the 1st hole to 8 with 'helpful' bots?! Whenever I play, they always seem to get in my way and weren't reliable to be left alone defending an area. Maybe that's what they need...someone spotting targets for them.
 
[quote name='GuitarMan']
Damn...holding the 1st hole to 8 with 'helpful' bots?! Whenever I play, they always seem to get in my way and weren't reliable to be left alone defending an area. Maybe that's what they need...someone spotting targets for them.[/QUOTE]

Yeah as the scout i just sat in that perch in front of the e-hole, and kept throwing beacons on top of the bridge, because it goes all the way down under the bridge too. Maybe the beacon helped them, but if guys got past me they usually took care of them pretty well. Also the beacon weakens the enemies, so maybe that helped too.

I tried to beat island by myself on casual and lost on like the 8th wave. It would have been mad easy if i had just one more person. I was trying to set up a sentry gun on the right, and man the turret on the left when i fell back to the third hole. But i just couldnt manage both sides and they eventually got it.
 
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