Gene Roddenberry's Star Trek topic

[quote name='ananag112']Also, which is your favorite Star Trek movie? Mine is Star Trek III: Search for Spock.[/quote]

First Contact then Insurrection.
 
[quote name='ananag112']
Also, which is your favorite Star Trek movie? Mine is Star Trek III: Search for Spock.[/QUOTE]

Best to Worst IMO:

Wrath of Khan
Undiscovered Country
First Contact
Voyage Home
Search for Spock
Generations
TMP
Nemesis
Insurrection
Final Frontier
 
[quote name='ananag112']
Also, which is your favorite Star Trek movie? Mine is Star Trek III: Search for Spock.[/QUOTE]


*Throws up at the thought*

That explains your tstes very well. :p


ST3 is the one Star Trek I have never watched the whole thing of. I even watched ST5 and that one is terrible.

Best to Worst IMO:

Undiscovered Country
Wrath of Khan
Voyage Home

Then way down on the list...
First Contact (It should be lower because the Borg queen sucks)
Insurrection (While it made a terrible movie I just think of it as an episode)
TMP (Just looked wrong)
Generations
Final Frontier / Search for Spock
Nemesis
 
What was wrong with Search for Spock? It was the first time we got to see the real Klingons which was kick ass. The entire Genesis project was dumb, but the movie as a whole was pretty good. Here is my list:

Search for Spock
Undiscovered Country
Wrath of Khan
Voyage Home
Generations
First Contact
The Motion Picture
Nemesis
Final Frontier
Insurrection
 
First Contact - Easily the best.
Insurrection - I liked it.
Undiscovered Country - Nice send off.
Generations - Has balls, but ultimately fails in many areas.
Wrath of Khan - Overrated IMO, but still very enjoyable.
Voyage Home - More of a parody than a real movie.
Search for Spock - Decent.
The Motion Picture - Interesting, but really boring.
Final Frontier - God awful.
Nemesis - Entertaining movie (if you don't think while watching), but full of plot-holes and really ridiculous shit.
 
My list:

First Contact
Wrath of Khan
Search for Spock
Voyage Home
Generations
Undiscovered Country
The Motion Picture
Final Frontier
Insurrection
Nemesis
 
First Contact
Insurrection
Wrath of Khan
Voyage Home
Spock
Generations
Undiscovered Country
Nemesis
The Motion Picture
Final Frontier

I give more weight to TNG because that's how I got hooked. Final Frontier is easily the worst, even with the plot holes in Nemesis. I also hated TMP.
 
[quote name='GuilewasNK']Insurrection seems to be one of those "love it or hate it" types of movies. Not much inbetween.[/QUOTE]

I definitely fall into the dislike camp, but Picard's "How many people" speech is one of the best dialouges of all of Trek.
 
[quote name='lordwow']I definitely fall into the dislike camp, but Picard's "How many people" speech is one of the best dialouges of all of Trek.[/quote]

I think a lot of people didn't like it because it seemed to be nothing more than a glorified TV episode. That was actually what made me like it even more.
 
Insurrection was going to be a better movie but Patrick Stewart was being a bitch and didn't want another "dark" movie after First Contact so he fucked the movie up. Data was going to be killed in the beginning and that would set the tone for the movie.

Nemesis should have had Tarsha Yar in it, or better never been made. The last TNG movie should have featured Q pissing everyone off.

[quote name='GuilewasNK']I think a lot of people didn't like it because it seemed to be nothing more than a glorified TV episode. That was actually what made me like it even more.[/QUOTE]

Yeah I agree. Considering how bad most of TNG movies are, and First Contact completely screwed up Trek history, it was a fine story that should have been made into an episode. But I rather have an episode of the show than some of the other crap they gave us.
 
[quote name='GuilewasNK']I think a lot of people didn't like it because it seemed to be nothing more than a glorified TV episode. That was actually what made me like it even more.[/quote]

Insurrection is totally middle of the road for me. I neither like it nor hate it. Easily for me the most pointless of all the movies. (note: pointless is different than stupid, horrible, or torturously awful, a.k.a. Final Frontier, Generations, and Nemesis)

Comparing it to a TV episode is a fair criticism, but the thing for me is that it's not even a particularly good episode. We get a bland love interest for Picard that we know isn't going anywhere, the crew doesn't get to do a whole lot, and the central question of the movie is boring. Should the crew disobey orders and save the planet of innocent people? Duh.

There are so many episodes of the TV series that are far more creative, interesting, ambitious, and momentous. I could probably easily name twenty. Not all of them would necessarily make good movies, but then, neither did Insurrection.

What I find more troubling than the TV nature of the episode is the retread of Generations. Planet filled with innocent people is going to be destroyed by bad guy, and Picard defeats him while crawling on the scaffolding of his evil weapon. Been there, done that.

The nice thing I can say about it is that it's better than Generations (which I loathe) but that's not really much of an accomplishment. The bad thing is that Generations was just a couple of movies before Insurrection. So not only is it not a story worthy of a movie event, but it's a retread of a very recent story. Why was it even made? Why did anyone think people would want to watch it?

Of all the movies, this one seems to have the weakest aspirations. Undiscovered Country wanted to tell a political story. Voyage Home had a strong environmental message to go along with its humor. II and III had strong themes of sacrifice and friendship. Final Frontier, as bad as it was, was about faith and belief. Nemesis, as wretchedly horrible as it was, wanted to be Star Trek II.

Insurrection wants to be a TNG episode we've seen before and we'll see again. Rescuing Aliens of the Week that we'll never see again, a love interest we'll never see again, and an antagonist who is far less interesting than many of the series guest stars. Nobody is really challenged or changed, including the audience.
 
Insurrection was pointless, but I rather have pointless movie than bad movie like ST7 and ST10.

And all the problems with the movie are Patrick Stewart. He was going to drop the film (he should have) because it was too dark and intertesting. Of course the study is to blame for making the trash and not making it deal with anything doing with the biggest war the Federation was ever in!
 
[quote name='David85']Insurrection was pointless, but I rather have pointless movie than bad movie like ST7 and ST10.

And all the problems with the movie are Patrick Stewart. He was going to drop the film (he should have) because it was too dark and intertesting. Of course the study is to blame for making the trash and not making it deal with anything doing with the biggest war the Federation was ever in![/quote]

I totally forgot that the Dominion War was going on during Insurrection (they even mention it in the movie IIRC). A DW movie would have been awesome if they included the DS9 cast along with the TNG one.
 
[quote name='2Fast']I totally forgot that the Dominion War was going on during Insurrection (they even mention it in the movie IIRC). A DW movie would have been awesome if they included the DS9 cast along with the TNG one.[/QUOTE]

Agreed. I would have loved to see what the Enterprise was up to during the DW (wasn't it like stuck on Romulan Border Patrol most of it, like it was during TNG anyway though?)

I think it would be tough to have a DS9 movie now like a lot people are clamoring for, I think the entire crew's storyline is pretty much over.
 
I've said it before and I'll say it again...

WE NEED A NEW ANIMATED TREK WITH BRUCE TIMM CHARACTER DESIGNS!

Excuse the yelling, but if this ever happened I'd be more excited than Rosie O'Donnell at a buffet line.
 
[quote name='GuilewasNK']Hey guys, I just got Star Trek Legacy for 360. Maybe if anyone wants to play some this weekend we can get some Live action going.[/QUOTE]


ARGH..........

why did you do that?!?!!? You should have gotten the PC version!!!!

Two great mods are out for it that adds the dominion and better ships to it!!!
 
[quote name='ITDEFX']ARGH..........

why did you do that?!?!!? You should have gotten the PC version!!!!

Two great mods are out for it that adds the dominion and better ships to it!!![/quote]

I might get that down the road.
 
[quote name='GuilewasNK']Hey guys, I just got Star Trek Legacy for 360. Maybe if anyone wants to play some this weekend we can get some Live action going.[/quote]

I have it and I do believe I added you a few days ago, so we'll see if we can get a game going :)
 
Any good deals for Star Trek on the 360? I just got a 360 and a year to live and don't have much more cash which I can spend on games.

About Insurrection
Wasn't there an episode of TNG where Worf's brother brought a civilization on board the Enterprise and put them in the holodeck so they could move them to another world? If so, that is awfully close to the beginning plot of Insurrection.
 
[quote name='ananag112']Any good deals for Star Trek on the 360? I just got a 360 and a year to live and don't have much more cash which I can spend on games.

About Insurrection
Wasn't there an episode of TNG where Worf's brother brought a civilization on board the Enterprise and put them in the holodeck so they could move them to another world? If so, that is awfully close to the beginning plot of Insurrection.
[/QUOTE]


you don't need to have spoiler tags... no need to hide the truth about a shitty movie lol.

Anyways yea thats what I thought when I saw Insurrection.
 
[quote name='ananag112']Any good deals for Star Trek on the 360? I just got a 360 and a year to live and don't have much more cash which I can spend on games.

About Insurrection
Wasn't there an episode of TNG where Worf's brother brought a civilization on board the Enterprise and put them in the holodeck so they could move them to another world? If so, that is awfully close to the beginning plot of Insurrection.
[/QUOTE]

You missed it. I just got in the mail Star Trek: Legacy for $19.99 at the Amazon Deal of the Day.
 
I wouldn't recomend spending more then $20-30 on Legacy, but when you do get it be sure to stick with it, the TNG era missions are by far the best in the game.
 
[quote name='Kaijufan']I wouldn't recomend spending more then $20-30 on Legacy, but when you do get it be sure to stick with it, the TNG era missions are by far the best in the game.[/QUOTE]

im not playing single player anymore until they patch it to including in mission save.

damn it, I just installed a new mega mod for it now it crashes on me....fuck!!
 
I'd say paying $20 is about what it's worth, even as a Trekkie. There are several flaws, but they did a great job representing all of the ships of the various eras.
 
I remember watching Nemesis in the theatre and hating it. I really started to hate Data in the movies and bringing in his retarded brother, B 4, was lame. I finally decided to give Nemesis a second chance, I can only stomach it for like 20 minutes at a time. I keep falling asleep.
 
[quote name='evanft']They're airing the series finale of Voyager on Monday on Spike TV.[/QUOTE]

Yup. Its been a while since I saw it last (since it originally aired). The Neelix episode was touching on Friday. It was pretty well done (IMO).
 
Actually, if they show things in order, they'll only be airing the first half on Monday, after "Renaissance Man". BUT, Spike TV seems to like to air 2-part episodes all at once, even if they have to change the order to do it.
 
[quote name='ananag112']Yup. Its been a while since I saw it last (since it originally aired). The Neelix episode was touching on Friday. It was pretty well done (IMO).[/QUOTE]


You know it still ticks me off after all that character development, Neelix finds his own kind on an asteroid years away from him home and decides to STAY instead of going back to earth with voyager. Guess the writers couldn't find anything useless for Neelix to do after season 2 so instead of killing him off, just have him stay on a rock :|
 
I just finished DS9 for the first time. The last episode was really well done, but in the final arc of 9 episodes or whatever, some stuff really dragged.

Also, I hated both Dax, they both seemed to really be overacting and just came across as annoying to me.
 
I started playing some of Legacy yesterday. Captain Archer's ship sure controls like a slug (which makes sense I suppose). I like the atmosphere of the game a lot though.
 
Yeah. On Spike today, they show the episode before Endgame (Renaissance Man) and Parallax (The first Voyager single episode). On Wednesday they will air Endgame parts I and II.
 
[quote name='lordwow']I love his "Make 6.5 with the original cast" suggestion, be a bit awkward now....[/QUOTE]

"So, J.J....should we call it Star Trek 6.5, or Weekend at Bernie's 3?"
 
Actually, you know what would be a great premise for an Internet show? A series set around someone who was captain of the Enterprise, but got booted to a crappy ship. He could try to get revenge on the current captain and have renegade missions.
 
Not bad. Shame about the quality but the idea is good.

[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o1Zzg6PykMQ[/media]

This is certainly, "creative". :lol:

[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D9ljVH3P5KU[/media]

Heh.

[MEDIA]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0b6fsSBCgZM[/MEDIA]
 
[quote name='GuilewasNK']Not bad. Shame about the quality but the idea is good.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o1Zzg6PykMQ

This is certainly, "creative". :lol:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D9ljVH3P5KU

Heh.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0b6fsSBCgZM[/QUOTE]


what the hell was that?!?!?!?

Does the original author know they could have ripped that video from the dvd directly for better quality?!?!?!

Anyways........... Did anyone noticed that Spike pulled another bone head move by moving DS9 to 3am in the morning!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
[quote name='ITDEFX']Did anyone noticed that Spike pulled another bone head move by moving DS9 to 3am in the morning!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!![/quote]

:bomb: :wall:
 
[quote name='lordwow']Well at least Voyager is still on at 4 AND 5.

Bleh[/quote]

I wouldn't mind that if I wasn't at work at those times. I just need to buy the damn DVDs.
 
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