Gene Roddenberry's Star Trek topic

[quote name='rickonker']Actually this is why I'm not so sure about Star Trek being under new management. Sure it's awesome that Rick Berman and Brannon Braga are gone, but the old production crew was great. Seriously a new Star Trek movie with no one from before involved??[/quote]
That's what some people were saying about the new Battlestar Galactica, but look how that turned out. ;)
 
[quote name='Kaijufan']That's what some people were saying about the new Battlestar Galactica, but look how that turned out. ;)[/QUOTE]
I don't know, I think BSG is a totally different situation. There was like a 25 year gap and the original was only a year long anyway. Star Trek on the other hand had many of the same production people working on it for years.
 
Is Spike gonna start running Voyager all the time?

They had the Voth episode on yestersday. That one was great. Dinosaurs FTW!!! The Scorpion 2-parter was good, too.
 
Damnit I missed the Dinosaur episode!

The dinosaur episode is the only episode of Voyager I think I might like and have never seen!
 
[quote name='evanft']Is Spike gonna start running Voyager all the time?

They had the Voth episode on yestersday. That one was great. Dinosaurs FTW!!! The Scorpion 2-parter was good, too.[/QUOTE]

Yep,

2PM - DS9
3PM - TNG
4PM - TNG
5PM - VOY
6PM - VOY

At least that's what they are doing the first week of the year and I assume that will be the normal sched.
 
[quote name='wubb']Yep,

2PM - DS9
3PM - TNG
4PM - TNG
5PM - VOY
6PM - VOY

At least that's what they are doing the first week of the year and I assume that will be the normal sched.[/quote]

They need to bring back the extra episode of DS9.
 
With all due respect to you Star Trek Scholars here, you're trying to make the situation more black and white than it actually is..no one person ruined Trek.

Star Trek is where it is today because the world, including Trek fans, is burned out on seeing the exact same plotlines played out over and over with every new series. The stories were always the same. Enterprise was doomed from the start............it was clearly a cash-in show. Poor writing, and shoving a vulcan on board immediately and making her a sex kitten was a hugely bad idea....of course to Paramount, 7 of 9 "saved Voyager" so lets get a head start right?

Roddenberry was a good visionary, but his early seasons of TNG are just ToS with new actors and bad cgi, the stories are all simple, always involve "Oh the bad guy isn't bad at all, he's just misunderstood!". Kinda like ToS.

After Roddenberry relinquished control the Paramount guys at least gave the show the edge it needed to remain interesting. But, like all good teams, they eventually ruined the property for the time being by giving us too much too soon with not enough thought put into what bigger story are they trying to tell.

Voyager was the only show I actually dis-liked. Even in the later episodes, it became "just another Trek show". They never capitalized on the "survival horror" aspect of being a ship a gajillion miles from home...it was just "Gee, we're never getting home but everything here is the same as it is back home so big whoop". :p

Enterprise, i watched like 2 episodes of and never went back.....it was truly a bad show....

For my money, its ToS then DS9 then TNG....and then the alsorans.
 
[quote name='rickonker']The Dinosaur episode was great. See Voyager at least had some good episodes, but yeah Enterprise sucked.[/quote]

The dinosaur episode is flat-out retarded, almost as bad as "The 37's." Voyager has some good episodes, but overall Enterprise is far superior. I know it's cool to hate Enterprise (without even watching it no less!), but I've really never heard a compelling argument as to why people hate it.
 
One of the things I don't like about Voyager is in the episode where they found another Federation ship (the Equinox I think) and then they destroyed it in the next episode. They should have kept it around for at least a season. In Battlestar Galactica having the Battlestar Pegasus find the Galactica and the rest of the fleet and sticking around was really cool.

[quote name='2Fast']The dinosaur episode is flat-out retarded, almost as bad as "The 37's." Voyager has some good episodes, but overall Enterprise is far superior. I know it's cool to hate Enterprise (without even watching it no less!), but I've really never heard a compelling argument as to why people hate it.[/quote] For the most part the characters were boring, the storylines were often boring during the first two seasons (and they had so many good choices, like the Earth Romulan War and the birth of the Federation), and it felt too much like every other Trek (besides DS9). Still, two bad seasons and two good seasons isn't bad for a TV show. It wasn't the best Trek, but I liked it more then Voyager.
 
[quote name='Kaijufan']For the most part the characters were boring, the storylines were often boring during the first two seasons (and they had so many good choices, like the Earth Romulan War and the birth of the Federation), and it felt too much like every other Trek (besides DS9). Still, two bad seasons and two good seasons isn't bad for a TV show. It wasn't the best Trek, but I liked it more then Voyager.[/quote]
I agree that the characters besides Archer, Trip, Phlox and T'Pol were largely boring. It's strange that they never really decided to develop the characters as much (especially Travis and Hoshi) as the other Trek shows. I also agree that seasons one and two were a rehash of everything we've seen already in the other shows. I do wish they would have had the time to get to the Earth/Romulan War and not give us a half-assed birth of the Federation.

To me, Voyager just seems like such a missed opportunity and much ado about nothing.

Oh, by the way, I just rented the and watched the Battlestar Galactica mini-series and really enjoyed it (had to see what all the BG hype was about) so I think I shall start watching that show. I'm always interested to see how other sci-fi space-based shows borrow from Star Trek too.
 
[quote name='2Fast']The dinosaur episode is flat-out retarded, almost as bad as "The 37's." Voyager has some good episodes, but overall Enterprise is far superior. I know it's cool to hate Enterprise (without even watching it no less!), but I've really never heard a compelling argument as to why people hate it.[/QUOTE]

I think the Dinosaur episode was way better than The 37's. What didn't you like about it?

I haven't seen all of Enterprise, but everything I've seen was pretty bad. I don't think there's any point in trying to convince you it's bad, if you liked it then great. Back when the show was on, it was important for people to hate it so it would get canceled, but it doesn't really matter now anymore.
 
Enterprise was a terrible show.

1. They tried rewritting history with meeting aliens we met hundreds of years later for the first time in other shows.

2. The writing was dull and boring as hell.

3. The time traveling guy was lame.

4. The ship was way too advance.

5. The acting on the show, my god the acting. They might as well saved money by putting cardboard cutouts on the ship. The acting was some of the worst I have ever seen on TV, my god it was bad.

6. They didn't try anything new until people already have stopped watching.

My main problem is the terrible writing through, horrid. I couldn't even watch the show when it was done by Manny Coto because they acting was so bad.
 
[quote name='2Fast']
Oh, by the way, I just rented the and watched the Battlestar Galactica mini-series and really enjoyed it (had to see what all the BG hype was about) so I think I shall start watching that show. I'm always interested to see how other sci-fi space-based shows borrow from Star Trek too.[/quote] If you're going to watch Battlestar Galactica be sure to watch it from the begining. If you start watching the new episodes on Sci-Fi you will be very lost. It's not like Voyager where you could start watching almost any episode and have a good idea about what's going on.
 
[quote name='Kaijufan']If you're going to watch Battlestar Galactica be sure to watch it from the begining. If you start watching the new episodes on Sci-Fi you will be very lost. It's not like Voyager where you could start watching almost any episode and have a good idea about what's going on.[/quote]

I'm going to rent it in order from Netflix.
 
Some fun stuff...

Which Star Trek captain are you? Captain Benjamin Sisko- You struggle with the most difficult of ethical decisions. You feel lost in a life that you feel have no control over. The fact that you're right doesn't ease your pain any. Ironically, you are also considered the spirtual guide to the people of Bajor.

What Star Trek race are you?
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What Star Trek series are you?
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What Star Trek Character are you?
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OH fuck

This is what your survey said I was LOL!

Captain Kathryn Janeway- You are strong, determined and stubborn. Have the worst lucky of any Starfleet captain in history. Ship's haven't gotten this lost since the S.S. Minnow. You survive, somehow
 
[quote name='2Fast']Very nice. Merry Christmas Guile. :D[/quote]

Thanks. :)

I should have dropped more hints to my family about some Star Trek DVDs.#-o
 
[quote name='GuilewasNK']Thanks. :)

I should have dropped more hints to my family about some Star Trek DVDs.#-o[/quote]

I asked for a few but didn't get any DVDs. I REALLY wanted the Time Travel Fan Collective. Oh well.
 
I watched Chain of Command Parts I and II last night as a Christmas Eve treat to myself. Even better than I remembered.
 
[quote name='lordwow']I watched Chain of Command Parts I and II last night as a Christmas Eve treat to myself. Even better than I remembered.[/QUOTE]
THERE ARE FOUR LIGHTS!
 
[quote name='rickonker']THERE ARE FOUR LIGHTS![/quote]

:applause:

I can't believe I didn't think of that first. Whenever I hear "Chain of Command" I automatically think of the biggest d-bag in Star Trek history, Captain Edward Jellico.
 
I love Chain of Command since the Cardassian villain in it was the guy who played the villain in my favorite game of all time - Baldur's Gate 2 Shadows of Amn. He has a very distinct voice.
 
[quote name='Kaijufan']I love Chain of Command since the Cardassian villain in it was the guy who played the villain in my favorite game of all time - Baldur's Gate 2 Shadows of Amn. He has a very distinct voice.[/quote]

He's the same guy that plays Chancellor Gorkon in Star Trek VI and some dude in V, right?
 
[quote name='2Fast']He's the same guy that plays Chancellor Gorkon in Star Trek VI and some dude in V, right?[/quote]
Yep.
It's been a really long time since I've watched any of the Trek films. I think it may be time for a 2 4 6 8 movie marathon.
 
[quote name='Kaijufan']Yep.
It's been a really long time since I've watched any of the Trek films. I think it may be time for a 2 4 6 8 movie marathon.[/quote]

I asked for 2 and 6 for Christmas, but didn't get them. One day I hope to own all of them, but I really don't want to spend $10 on 5.
 
[quote name='2Fast']I asked for 2 and 6 for Christmas, but didn't get them. One day I hope to own all of them, but I really don't want to spend $10 on 5.[/quote]
I know how you feel. I can't bring myself to buy 1, 3, or 5. Maybe I will someday when DDD or some other site has a good sale on them but I just don't think I'll watch them all that often.
 
[quote name='Kaijufan']I know how you feel. I can't bring myself to buy 1, 3, or 5. Maybe I will someday when DDD or some other site has a good sale on them but I just don't think I'll watch them all that often.[/quote]

I sorta like 3, 1 is boring, but I kinda want to see all the special features that are on it and how it came to be; I also have a soft spot for V'Ger :)
 
[quote name='2Fast']:applause:

I can't believe I didn't think of that first. Whenever I hear "Chain of Command" I automatically think of the biggest d-bag in Star Trek history, Captain Edward Jellico.[/QUOTE]


Captain Jellico isn't a d-bag. When i first saw that episode on tv, yea i thought he was an ass, but years later and rewatching it on tv, I realized yea he's one tough cookie not to be messed with, but he got the job done, efficantly and without going to war with the Cardassians.
 
I thought Captain Edward Jellico was a huge ass when I watched it, but recently I saw it again and think he is a little less of a douche. He was thinking Picard failed and that war was going to break out at anytime. He was trying to get the E-D ready for war which it hasn't ever seen being that it's a science ship.
 
Jellico is an ass to Riker more than anyone. I understand why he felt the need to be hard on everyone, but he seemed to delight in it a bit too much.
 
The only good thing he made Troy do was go from her skimpy outfit to the standard uniform. Made her look more mature hehe. but her 3rd season blue out fit back then was hot!

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[quote name='ITDEFX']but her 3rd season blue out fit back then was hot!

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Indeed! I wish they would have kept the skirt uniforms to be honest. I don't think security or command should have worn them, but science officers, medical and counselors should have been able to.
 
[quote name='rickonker']Troi got so much hotter in the movies after the show ended.[/QUOTE]

Agreed, she aged very well. She even looked pretty good (and a hell of a lot better than Riker) in the ENT Finale.
 
[quote name='lordwow']Agreed, she aged very well. She even looked pretty good (and a hell of a lot better than Riker) in the ENT Finale.[/QUOTE]

Gotta love that scene in First Contact where Cocran got her all boozed up. Man if Riker didn't come along, Cocran would have been one lucky old man that night.
 
[quote name='ITDEFX']Gotta love that scene in First Contact where Cocran got her all boozed up. Man if Riker didn't come along, Cocran would have been one lucky old man that night.[/QUOTE]


And if she had a child that probably would have lead to the space time continum blowing up.
 
[quote name='David85']And if she had a child that probably would have lead to the space time continum blowing up.[/QUOTE]


I don't think anything would have happened if Troi and Cocran had a child. Troi wasn't importain in the star trek universe so i don't think a big hole in space would form. boy is this thread getting nerdy or what?
 
The Skirt Uniform? Oh god...the first episode I saw Picard in skin-tight Spandex and those absurd micro-skirt outfits and I started laughing, thinking that Gene Roddenberry still thought it was 1968 and Go-Go boots were still "in".

Thank Christ someone came to their senses and made the uniforms less..shiny.
 
[quote name='HeadRusch']The Skirt Uniform? Oh god...the first episode I saw Picard in skin-tight Spandex and those absurd micro-skirt outfits and I started laughing, thinking that Gene Roddenberry still thought it was 1968 and Go-Go boots were still "in".

Thank Christ someone came to their senses and made the uniforms less..shiny.[/QUOTE]

I don't like to knock Roddenbury, but man, did the first two seasons of TNG blow. I'm actually glad someone reeled the controls away from the guy.
 
[quote name='rickonker']Troi got so much hotter in the movies after the show ended.[/quote]

Hell yeah! She lost some weight and finally got a decent hair stylist. Same with Beverly.
 
[quote name='2Fast']Hell yeah! She lost some weight and finally got a decent hair stylist. Same with Beverly.[/QUOTE]
Beverly was hotter than Troi on the show, but yeah they were both hot in the movies.
 
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