Gene Roddenberry's Star Trek topic

[quote name='GuilewasNK']Indeed! I wish they would have kept the skirt uniforms to be honest. I don't think security or command should have worn them, but science officers, medical and counselors should have been able to.[/quote] I'm fine with TNG skirt uniforms as long as the guys don't wear them.
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Maybe it was just me watching TNG as a kid, but it always seemed to me like Picard was much more father-like when I was growing up.

He's completely the opposite now that I watch it as an adult. I'm kinda glad that the Enterprise is actually run more like a military ship than I remembered.
 
[quote name='lordwow']Maybe it was just me watching TNG as a kid, but it always seemed to me like Picard was much more father-like when I was growing up.

He's completely the opposite now that I watch it as an adult. I'm kinda glad that the Enterprise is actually run more like a military ship than I remembered.[/quote]

I found it amusing how uncomfortable he was in dealing with the children on the ship. He can stare death in the face on some God-forsaken rock, battle wits with Q, even defy a Cardassian torturer, but Captain Picard Day turns him into a mere mortal. :lol:
 
[quote name='GuilewasNK']I found it amusing how uncomfortable he was in dealing with the children on the ship. He can stare death in the face on some God-forsaken rock, battle wits with Q, even defy a Cardassian torturer, but Captain Picard Day turns him into a mere mortal. :lol:[/QUOTE]


that captain picard day was defently a ROTFL moment back then when i first saw it. Espically his doll!!! "MAKE IT SO!!!"
 
That was one of the funniest Picard moments ever. Remember the end of that scene when the admiral is on screen..."I'm a role model"
 
[quote name='rickonker']That was one of the funniest Picard moments ever. Remember the end of that scene when the admiral is on screen..."I'm a role model"[/quote]

:lol:
 
[quote name='rickonker']That was one of the funniest Picard moments ever. Remember the end of that scene when the admiral is on screen..."I'm a role model"[/QUOTE]


I wonder if they sold that doll at the auction in NYC back in October.........and if so how much?
 
I never realized how much action the original Star Trek had... I always remember TNG as being kind of a boring show, more ship to ship battles than anything.

Almost every episode of the original I watch always has Captain Kirk going hand to hand with someone.
 
[quote name='Roufuss']Almost every episode of the original I watch always has Captain Kirk going mouth to mouth with someone.[/QUOTE]

Fixed. ;)
 
[quote name='Roufuss']I always remember TNG as being kind of a boring show, more ship to ship battles than anything.


Actually your thinking of DS9.. TNG=Drama, DS9=More action, more explosive space battles :)
 
[quote name='rickonker']Fixed. ;)[/QUOTE]

Haha, yea, that too, he ended up making out with some alien chick halfway through also.
 
Haha... I just watched the "Capt. Picard Day" episode while on a cross country flight from Atlanta to SF yesterday! I ripped it to my iPod months ago and just got around to watching it. Great episode, and I had totally forgotten that Terry O'Quinn guest starred on it. It kind of surprised me to see John Locke on TNG!
 
Finished up watching Season 6 of TNG at home on vacation. Great stuff. Now I've gotta go back to Season 1 with the girlfriend to take her through the whole series. We got to about episode 4 (the one with Tasha Yar fighting for freedom) before we gave up. Just gotta get to season 3...

Meanwhile I'm watching Spike's run of DS9 on DVR (thank goodness it was off for a while, I need to catch up badly). Hopefully I'll pick up DS9 on DVD.

What series should I pick up next on DVD?
I have TNG's run and the 10 movies.
 
I've been wanting to buy the DS9 season sets, but I can't decide if I want to start buying from the beginning or end.
 
[quote name='lordwow']Finished up watching Season 6 of TNG at home on vacation. Great stuff. Now I've gotta go back to Season 1 with the girlfriend to take her through the whole series. We got to about episode 4 (the one with Tasha Yar fighting for freedom) before we gave up. Just gotta get to season 3...[/QUOTE]

But you have to watch the Tar Yar dieing episode! She has a great storyline and then it just ends. Star Trek 10 should have fealt with her daughter.
 
[quote name='David85']But you have to watch the Tar Yar dieing episode! She has a great storyline and then it just ends. Star Trek 10 should have fealt with her daughter.[/QUOTE]


Tar Yar????

Who's that?

Tasha Yar...on the other hand had a shitty death. Who the hell kills off a character towards the end of the first season??!?!? but then again who the fuck has the balls to kill off Jaziea(sp?) at the end of season 6?!?!? yea I know she wanted to leave, but come out...she should have quit at the end of the first. Erizeri......growl what a cutie.
 
[quote name='David85']But you have to watch the Tar Yar dieing episode! She has a great storyline and then it just ends. Star Trek 10 should have fealt with her daughter.[/QUOTE]

Oh yes, we will. I've seen it. I'm making her watch the first two seasons because there are a ton of important storylines that come back later on.
 
Yeah I meant Tasha Yar. Great storyline that really should have been the 10th movie instead of the lame clone. It would have been personal to Picard too.

And the actress that played her wanted to go and the writers knew that so they killed her off in the worst (best death ever!) way possible, as soon as possible. Luckily the doctor left the show later so she couldn't be killed off. Hell even Picard was going to leave the show because the captains chair was so badly made.
 
[quote name='David85']Yeah I meant Tasha Yar. Great storyline that really should have been the 10th movie instead of the lame clone. It would have been personal to Picard too.

And the actress that played her wanted to go and the writers knew that so they killed her off in the worst (best death ever!) way possible, as soon as possible. Luckily the doctor left the show later so she couldn't be killed off. Hell even Picard was going to leave the show because the captains chair was so badly made.[/QUOTE]

and we will never find out why doctor polaski left after season 2. I know they wanted to have a McCoy type and fans hated her, but she was ok. Still to never ever have her come back in a later season to find out where she went and what she has been doing was sad.
 
Yeah they dropped the ball several times. They should have had her come back for an episode in season 3. Just say she went back to Earth to be with family or something. Hell 10 seconds even and she doesn't have to appear, Picard could go "She returned to Earth". I didn't mind her but she was a McCoy ripoff and that did bother be because every scene with her and Data she was a bitch.
 
[quote name='David85']Yeah they dropped the ball several times. They should have had her come back for an episode in season 3. Just say she went back to Earth to be with family or something. Hell 10 seconds even and she doesn't have to appear, Picard could go "She returned to Earth". I didn't mind her but she was a McCoy ripoff and that did bother be because every scene with her and Data she was a bitch.[/QUOTE]


They briefly mentioned in season 3, who watches the watchers when picard asked if Crusher knew how to erase the vulcan type guy and Crusher said she was familar with Polaski's technique or something like that...... seriously, there is NO mention of her from then on...its was like taboo or something...... you figure its been nearly 20 years since Polaski was on star trek, the truth would be told by now of why she really left!!??!?!
 
Starting on January 8th, four episodes of Enterprise will be airing every Monday night on Sci-Fi Channel beginning at 7pm EST.
 
[quote name='2Fast']Starting on January 8th, four episodes of Enterprise will be airing every Monday night on Sci-Fi Channel beginning at 7pm EST.[/QUOTE]


pff i aint watching that on SCI-FI..... they didn't have the balls to carry the show to its 5th season, yet they pull this shit??!?! no thanks..I have the dvds.
 
[quote name='ITDEFX']They briefly mentioned in season 3, who watches the watchers when picard asked if Crusher knew how to erase the vulcan type guy and Crusher said she was familar with Polaski's technique or something like that...... seriously, there is NO mention of her from then on...its was like taboo or something...... you figure its been nearly 20 years since Polaski was on star trek, the truth would be told by now of why she really left!!??!?![/QUOTE]


Well it's like season 6 of Stargate. Jonus joined the team and brought new life to the show just to be pushed aside and never mensioned again. Then in season 10 they said his homeworld was attacked by the Ori and is most likely dead without even mentioning him.

And Enterprise is shit, they only added the name Star Trek to it once the ratings fell. The best choice ever was that Sci-fi Channel didn't pick up that shit show with shity charaters and shity writing. I say good for them the show needed to die.
 
[quote name='David85']Well it's like season 6 of Stargate. Jonus joined the team and brought new life to the show just to be pushed aside and never mensioned again. Then in season 10 they said his homeworld was attacked by the Ori and is most likely dead without even mentioning him.

And Enterprise is shit, they only added the name Star Trek to it once the ratings fell. The best choice ever was that Sci-fi Channel didn't pick up that shit show with shity charaters and shity writing. I say good for them the show needed to die.[/QUOTE]

There was an episode of SG1 in Season 7 where Jonus featured back on his homeworld. But I dunno, I haven't seen past Season 7 even though I have the DVDs.
 
Yes Jonus is sent away in the season primere of season 7 and then never mentioned again until his planet is overran by the Ori. But that's only his planet and not him. The writers hate him or something.
 
[quote name='David85']And Enterprise is shit, they only added the name Star Trek to it once the ratings fell. The best choice ever was that Sci-fi Channel didn't pick up that shit show with shity charaters and shity writing. I say good for them the show needed to die.[/QUOTE]


Enterprise had a LOT of potential. I knew as soon as I saw the previews before the show aired with scenes of T'pol in the decon chamber getting jelly rubbed on her I was like oh fuck they are going to sex this one up. Yea T'pol had a great bod but her face wasn't too good. In 10 years when we look back at the 50th anniversary of Star Trek, both 7's and T'pol's boobs will be saggy.

Season 4 of getting back to its roots was great and it was just stupid of Paramount to give it the axe. The AU episode was amazing in season 4. If they didn't do the Xindi crap in season 3, and gave us higher quality episodes like in season 4, I bet you that we would be on season 6 right now.
 
I don't think so. Season 4 was an amazing gift and that shouldn't have happened. The adience left more and more each year and the cost for the episodes were very high. it primered with 14 million people or something, it was the highest ratings ever on UPN and the show was just bad and everyone ditched. They just took old storylines and tried to rewrite history, the tie war was lame and never ended. I tried watching season 4 episodes (Because Manny Coto was the main writer and he wrote Odyssey 5), but the acting was horrible. The acting was so bad I couldn't even watch the episodes with Data in them. Data (the actor whose name I can't remember) did a wonderful job, the story was good, but the main cast "acting" wasstill very bad.
 
[quote name='ITDEFX']pff i aint watching that on SCI-FI..... they didn't have the balls to carry the show to its 5th season, yet they pull this shit??!?! no thanks..I have the dvds.[/quote]
I doubt Sci-Fi had the money for new episodes of Enterprise.
 
[quote name='Kaijufan']I doubt Sci-Fi had the money for new episodes of Enterprise.[/QUOTE]

*cough* bullshit *cough*
 
[quote name='ITDEFX']*cough* bullshit *cough*[/quote]
I would imagine Enterprise was just as expensive as, if not more expensive then most of their shows, and since they weren't the ones producing it they could only make money from the show when the aired it, and not from the DVD sales or merchandise.
Plus, Sci-Fi channel didn't pick up Firefly after it only got half a season, and it was far more deserving of a pickup then Enterprise ever was.
 
Sci-fi couldn't pick up Firefly. Fox still owns the TV rights to new Firefly universe.

And Enterprise cost as much as Stargate did after 10 years. Plus no one watched Enterprise anyways so why pick it up?

Enterprise was shit and 90% of the people who gave it a try agree. Live with that. Enterprise getting canceled was the best thing to happen to Star Trek.
 
[quote name='David85']Sci-fi couldn't pick up Firefly. Fox still owns the TV rights to new Firefly universe.[/QUOTE]

you know I actually finally finished watching the firefly set.. wow this was a great show. Too bad it got killed off after its first season. :(
 
[quote name='2Fast']More Enterprise hate. You guys can't seriously tell me it's worse than Voyager can you?[/quote]

No, but I think I and a lot of others gave up on Enterprise because it looked like it was going to be more of the same. And for at least two seasons, it was.

When Enterprise went on the air, I watched for awhile, hoping it would be good. I gave it a chance. But while it wasn't as bad as Voyager (what could be?), it looked like they hadn't learned a thing. So I gave up.

Enterprise getting cancelled will only be a good thing if Paramount and whoever gets control of the franchise learns the right lessons. They must take a really hard look at the very real problems that Star Trek has, and they have to have enough conviction to make some changes. Past performance suggests that Paramount gets overly protective of their cash cow, and they try to go with what is safe and inoffensive and what they believe to be the greatest common denominator of all Trek fans.

And look where that got us.

I've been heartened by your and Kaijufan's comments about season 4 and actually want to check it out now.
 
I think Voyager was better than Enterprise just because the charaters were more interesting. Enterprise just redid the stories of TOS, TNG, and VOY, enough was enough. Voyager is bad, but the acting is better so in the rare thing that was a good Voyager episode you could watch it because the acting would be ok and the charaters would be different. Enterpise had three white guys, who couldn't act, a cool doctor, but that doesn't matter, a sexy woman... again... and the token black guy and some Bazil woman or whereever she was from. Enterprise is horrible and everyone here, but one agrees. I think it was very smart they didn't pick the show up.
 
[quote name='blandstalker']I've been heartened by your and Kaijufan's comments about season 4 and actually want to check it out now.[/quote]

Did you see any of season 3? That was my favorite, although season 4 isn't far behind it.
 
I tried to watch Season 1 of Enterprise, I really did. I'm a huge Bakula fan (see avatar) and I watched Voyager's last 2 seasons, so I figured, how bad could it really be? It was bad.

Unfortunately, by the time the show got to Season 4, I didn't have TV at the time, and managed to catch a static-filled viewing of the finale, which was subpar, so I didn't really give it much thought.

I figure I'll pick it up at some point, but for now I'm catching up on the 7 seasons of DS9 I completely missed between TNG and VOY
 
Most star trek shows have inherently bad 1st seasons, mostly due to the characters ability (or in-ability) to capture us.

DS9's first season is marred by some of the worst over-acting.....Nana Visitor and Rene Ajbwhatever's acting was SOOOOO over the top it actually caused me to stop watching the show.

The problem with Enterprise was that it was just so cookie-cutter.....oh there's the comic relief, there's the token vulcan/robot genius, there's the one female on the bridge...etc....

The entire premise of the show was a bad one.....going back before TOS, they may as well have just used all the TOS props and such...re-made TOS....in the 60's style..otherwise, it never would have worked. Surprise! It didn't!
 
Yet what are they doing for a new movie? A prequel! :roll:

They need to make a new movie dealing with the Enterprise E crew changing, the Titan, DS9 and the disaster that was Voyager.
 
[quote name='HeadRusch']Most star trek shows have inherently bad 1st seasons, mostly due to the characters ability (or in-ability) to capture us.
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I agree. TNG's first season is some of the worst sci-fi I've ever watched, but it's eons beyond DS9/VOY/ENT's first seasons. I think the biggest problem with Trek is this character development/acting. Audiences are just tuning out shows that don't click from the start, sci-fi or not.
 
[quote name='2Fast']Starting on January 8th, four episodes of Enterprise will be airing every Monday night on Sci-Fi Channel beginning at 7pm EST.[/QUOTE]

I've always wanted to see that show, despite it being poopie.
 
[quote name='2Fast']More Enterprise hate. You guys can't seriously tell me it's worse than Voyager can you?[/QUOTE]


Voyager was a descent show that had an interesting premise. Two crews, one starfleet , one maquies (sp?) on one ship. Trying to get home on a trip that would take them more then 70 years to do so. Had one character who only lives for 7 years (?) and a doctor that was a hologram stuck in sickbay. Season 3 they fixed that and instead of doing something to Kes, they dumped her and put a borg bitch. From then on it was Janeway, 7 and the Doctor show. Harry got the shaft, so did Chacote (sp?) and from then on it was more about developing Seven's character. Yea its ok for Janeway to throw Chacote into the brige everytime she acted like a bitch. The end of the series was a big fuck you to the fans. Honestly if they wanted a good ending, Voyager should have gotten stuck in the Delta Quadrent but in order to save the federation from the borg, they had to blow up the transwarp array thingy and get stuck in the delta quadrant. That would have been a fitting end to the show. Instead, Voyager gets sent back home, gives the borg a bloody nose and comes back with advanced batmobile shields from the future :| Thank god I saved 700 bucks in 2004 by not buying this on dvd.
 
I watched the first 2 episodes of Voyager yesterday. It was bad.

It had hope through. The problem was they killed people off, but never had a shortage of crew. The two crews never really fought after like an episode, and it was very cheesey. The premise was good, but Parimont wanted TNG 2 and put pressure on it to dumb down the show. Moore (now on BSG) left the show because he wasn't allowed to do anything. He hates the people who really run Star Trek and is glad that those days are behind him. The Voyager he wanted to do would be something between what we got and BSG.
 
[quote name='David85']I watched the first 2 episodes of Voyager yesterday. It was bad.

It had hope through. The problem was they killed people off, but never had a shortage of crew. The two crews never really fought after like an episode, and it was very cheesey.[/quote]

I definitely agree with this. I remember in the first season or so how they talked about how they only have so many crewmembers and couldn't afford to lose any, but by the third season at least one crewmember would die every episode. Yet, there were no repercussions for these deaths. They should have made this show more of a survival-horror type deal, instead of a lovely stroll through the Delta Quadrant with a few interuptions from the big bully Borg.

There should have been some more bickering here and there between the Maquis and Federation crew, but instead they all just had a grand ol' time together.

The show is much ado about nothing.
 
[quote name='2Fast']I definitely agree with this. I remember in the first season or so how they talked about how they only have so many crewmembers and couldn't afford to lose any, but by the third season at least one crewmember would die every episode. Yet, there were no repercussions for these deaths. They should have made this show more of a survival-horror type deal, instead of a lovely stroll through the Delta Quadrant with a few interuptions from the big bully Borg.

There should have been some more bickering here and there between the Maquis and Federation crew, but instead they all just had a grand ol' time together.

The show is much ado about nothing.[/QUOTE]


someone's gotta remember the UNLIMITED shuttles and SPACE for the delta flyer :p not to mentioned they started off with 40 torpedoes but fired off like 1xx?!?!? With the problems the Kazon gave them during the first 2 seasons, they should have ran out. That was always second gripe with the show. They always seem to have enough technology to survive and even those Bionueral gel packs were fixable. I guess they *recycled* dead crew members into those things to keep the ship going :whistle2:O
 
[quote name='ITDEFX']someone's gotta remember the UNLIMITED shuttles and SPACE for the delta flyer :p not to mentioned they started off with 40 torpedoes but fired off like 1xx?!?!? With the problems the Kazon gave them during the first 2 seasons, they should have ran out. That was always second gripe with the show. They always seem to have enough technology to survive and even those Bionueral gel packs were fixable. I guess they *recycled* dead crew members into those things to keep the ship going :whistle2:O[/QUOTE]


Need more missles, replicate them. Need new crew members, replicate them. :)

I think it should have ended with the ship getting destroyed at the end of the 6th season saving earth from the Borg or something. They then have to live on a planet for the first half of the 7th season, biulding a city, ect. Then the next 10 episodes deals with the Federation making a new ship to get them home sooner. the last three episodes would deal with the crew getting back to life on Earth.
 
[quote name='David85']Need more missles, replicate them. Need new crew members, replicate them. :)

I think it should have ended with the ship getting destroyed at the end of the 6th season saving earth from the Borg or something. They then have to live on a planet for the first half of the 7th season, biulding a city, ect. Then the next 10 episodes deals with the Federation making a new ship to get them home sooner. the last three episodes would deal with the crew getting back to life on Earth.[/QUOTE]

didn't I just say that in a post a few steps up?!?!?!
 
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