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[quote name='2Fast']The movie is going to blow. It's a horrible idea to do a prequel since you HAVE to make everything look like it's from the 60's.[/quote]
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It looked pretty cool in DS9 though. Jadzia in a old-school TOS uniform =
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It looked pretty cool in DS9 though. Jadzia in a old-school TOS uniform =
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[quote name='2Fast']The movie is going to blow. It's a horrible idea to do a prequel since you HAVE to make everything look like it's from the 60's.[/quote]
I seriously doubt they will.
DS9 did, but that was for an episode and it was kind of the point to recreate the look.
This is a theatrical release. If it looks like 1960s Star Trek, the crowd that the director obviously wants to attract will steer clear.
Expect the Klingon Head treatment: it will look different, there will be no explanation, and we'll pretend it was always this way and you just didn't notice before.
I seriously doubt they will.
DS9 did, but that was for an episode and it was kind of the point to recreate the look.
This is a theatrical release. If it looks like 1960s Star Trek, the crowd that the director obviously wants to attract will steer clear.
Expect the Klingon Head treatment: it will look different, there will be no explanation, and we'll pretend it was always this way and you just didn't notice before.
It looked good for "Trials and Tribble-ations," but that episode was purely for fun, and I'm sure the movie will be more serious.
I'm honestly not that much of a stickler for canon, so I don't mind if they retcon things a bit. Although I suppose that since it is a younger Kirk and Spock they are dealing with, it could look more like Enterprise (and work) and less like TOS.
I still don't think the movie will be any good
I'm honestly not that much of a stickler for canon, so I don't mind if they retcon things a bit. Although I suppose that since it is a younger Kirk and Spock they are dealing with, it could look more like Enterprise (and work) and less like TOS.
I still don't think the movie will be any good
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[quote name='2Fast']It looked good for "Trials and Tribble-ations," but that episode was purely for fun, and I'm sure the movie will be more serious.[/quote]
They could do worse than to emulate "Trials". That was light-hearted, but they treated the source material respectfully, more than I ever expected.
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I'm honestly not that much of a stickler for canon, so I don't mind if they retcon things a bit. Although I suppose that since it is a younger Kirk and Spock they are dealing with, it could look more like Enterprise (and work) and less like TOS.
I still don't think the movie will be any good[/quote]
I'm most worried that he prefers people know nothing about the series. I can see why he says that, from his perspective. But honestly -- if that's the case, then why make a story with characters that have been around for 40 years.
The only reason existing Trek fans would hate it is if it egregiously violates canon, or is colossally stupid, or just feels wrong somehow. You know, like dune buggies in space.
It could work. Witness the new Bond in Casino Royale, or for that matter, Star Trek IV. Or the first half or so of Superman Returns, which I thought was absolutely brilliant in the way it catered to both new people and longtime fans. But if he prefers people who know nothing about Trek, I don't see how it can be particularly deep or compelling for those who know everything about it.
I also don't find the idea of Young Kirk and Spock exciting. I don't know what it would add to the series, or to the characters that hasn't already been said and done. I certainly hope it's not the launching pad for a new series.
Is McCoy in the mix? You really do need all three. But then it starts getting silly.
They could do worse than to emulate "Trials". That was light-hearted, but they treated the source material respectfully, more than I ever expected.
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I'm honestly not that much of a stickler for canon, so I don't mind if they retcon things a bit. Although I suppose that since it is a younger Kirk and Spock they are dealing with, it could look more like Enterprise (and work) and less like TOS.
I still don't think the movie will be any good
[/quote]I'm most worried that he prefers people know nothing about the series. I can see why he says that, from his perspective. But honestly -- if that's the case, then why make a story with characters that have been around for 40 years.
The only reason existing Trek fans would hate it is if it egregiously violates canon, or is colossally stupid, or just feels wrong somehow. You know, like dune buggies in space.
It could work. Witness the new Bond in Casino Royale, or for that matter, Star Trek IV. Or the first half or so of Superman Returns, which I thought was absolutely brilliant in the way it catered to both new people and longtime fans. But if he prefers people who know nothing about Trek, I don't see how it can be particularly deep or compelling for those who know everything about it.
I also don't find the idea of Young Kirk and Spock exciting. I don't know what it would add to the series, or to the characters that hasn't already been said and done. I certainly hope it's not the launching pad for a new series.
Is McCoy in the mix? You really do need all three. But then it starts getting silly.
I guess I'm becoming less traditionalist the more I think about it.
Namely, I wouldn't mind rebooting some of the stuff that seemed high tech in the 60s, but we could have now. It's pretty obvious that everything would be LCARS-like on a future spaceship, even in Kirk's era, since we have pretty decent touch scree technology now.
Namely, I wouldn't mind rebooting some of the stuff that seemed high tech in the 60s, but we could have now. It's pretty obvious that everything would be LCARS-like on a future spaceship, even in Kirk's era, since we have pretty decent touch scree technology now.
I think catering to non-Trek fans is just not going to work.
Star Trek has such a negative nerd stigma around it that to make a movie that's "for everyone" is probably going to end up pissing off the Trek fans and not interesting Joe Sixpack enough to care. It worked for Star Trek IV twenty years ago, but no matter what, I can assure everyone that my girlfriend (at least the one I have now) will not see Star Trek XI with me (nor will anyone else I know).
The Trek faithful will probably come out in droves to see it; but like blandstalker said, I don't know how it adds to the mythos.
Star Trek has such a negative nerd stigma around it that to make a movie that's "for everyone" is probably going to end up pissing off the Trek fans and not interesting Joe Sixpack enough to care. It worked for Star Trek IV twenty years ago, but no matter what, I can assure everyone that my girlfriend (at least the one I have now) will not see Star Trek XI with me (nor will anyone else I know).
The Trek faithful will probably come out in droves to see it; but like blandstalker said, I don't know how it adds to the mythos.
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Anyone bought any of those Fan Collective DVDs?
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[quote name='2Fast']I have Time Travel and Klingon. What do ya want to know about 'em? 
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Anything and everything. I only caught a glimpse of them at Best Buy. I actually didn't take the time to look at them.
[/quote]Anything and everything. I only caught a glimpse of them at Best Buy. I actually didn't take the time to look at them.
[quote name='GuilewasNK']Anything and everything. I only caught a glimpse of them at Best Buy. I actually didn't take the time to look at them.[/QUOTE]
basically most of the time travel episodes from all the series (except for enterprise).
Yesterday's enterprise, T&T (ds9), little green men (ds9), time's arrow (bah), Year of hell part 1 and 2 and so on.
basically most of the time travel episodes from all the series (except for enterprise).
Yesterday's enterprise, T&T (ds9), little green men (ds9), time's arrow (bah), Year of hell part 1 and 2 and so on.
[quote name='GuilewasNK']Anything and everything. I only caught a glimpse of them at Best Buy. I actually didn't take the time to look at them.[/quote]
The Time Travel one is probably the best one by my estimation. It has four discs, with these episodes:
Tomorrow is Yesterday (TOS)
City on the Edge of Forever (TOS)
Yesterday's Enterprise (TNG)
Cause and Effect (TNG)
Time's Arrow I&II (TNG)
All Good Things...(TNG)
Little Green Men (DS9)
Trials and Tribble-ations (DS9)
Year of Hell I&II (VOY)
Endgame (VOY).
It comes in a pretty slick case and some of the episodes have text commentary by Michael and Denise Okuda. My main gripe with the Time Travel collective is that "Endgame" is the only episode on the last disc, so there could have been at least two more episodes. I would have put "Storm Front I&II (ENT)" or "Past Tense I&II" on there, and replace "Little Green Men" with "The Visitor." Or maybe just add "The Visitor" and "Future Tense," there are too many good time travel episodes
The Klingon Fan Collective has episodes from every Star Trek series, although the choices are a bit strange (but these Collectives were voted on by fans, IIRC). Episodes on the Klingon Fan Collective:
Broken Bow (ENT) - strange choice
Errand of Mercy (TOS)
The Trouble with Tribbles (TOS)
A Matter of Honor (TNG)
Sins of the Father (TNG)
Redemption I&II (TNG)
The Way of the Warrior (DS9)
The Sword of Kahless (DS9)
Trials and Tribble-ations - double dip and really not much to do with Klingons, I would have chosen "You are Cordially Invited..." instead.
Barge of the Dead (VOY)
I think they are decent for what you get. I'd like to get the Borg one but it has the horrible Enterprise episode and too much from Voyager (of course). The Q one I might get, although I hate the Voyager episodes with him and it's too TNG heavy (duh).
The Time Travel one is probably the best one by my estimation. It has four discs, with these episodes:
Tomorrow is Yesterday (TOS)
City on the Edge of Forever (TOS)
Yesterday's Enterprise (TNG)
Cause and Effect (TNG)
Time's Arrow I&II (TNG)
All Good Things...(TNG)
Little Green Men (DS9)
Trials and Tribble-ations (DS9)
Year of Hell I&II (VOY)
Endgame (VOY).
It comes in a pretty slick case and some of the episodes have text commentary by Michael and Denise Okuda. My main gripe with the Time Travel collective is that "Endgame" is the only episode on the last disc, so there could have been at least two more episodes. I would have put "Storm Front I&II (ENT)" or "Past Tense I&II" on there, and replace "Little Green Men" with "The Visitor." Or maybe just add "The Visitor" and "Future Tense," there are too many good time travel episodes
The Klingon Fan Collective has episodes from every Star Trek series, although the choices are a bit strange (but these Collectives were voted on by fans, IIRC). Episodes on the Klingon Fan Collective:
Broken Bow (ENT) - strange choice
Errand of Mercy (TOS)
The Trouble with Tribbles (TOS)
A Matter of Honor (TNG)
Sins of the Father (TNG)
Redemption I&II (TNG)
The Way of the Warrior (DS9)
The Sword of Kahless (DS9)
Trials and Tribble-ations - double dip and really not much to do with Klingons, I would have chosen "You are Cordially Invited..." instead.
Barge of the Dead (VOY)
I think they are decent for what you get. I'd like to get the Borg one but it has the horrible Enterprise episode and too much from Voyager (of course). The Q one I might get, although I hate the Voyager episodes with him and it's too TNG heavy (duh).
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Sounds cool. I might get that Klingon version.
[quote name='2Fast']I've been trying to think of what else they could use for future "Fan Collectives." The only thing that I can think of would be Romulans, everything else has too little to work with IMO.[/QUOTE]
true the romulan fan collection needs to be added
true the romulan fan collection needs to be added
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Anyone have any good quality DS9 images? Preferably of either Sisko, Worf, Quark or Garak? Any others will be ok though. I am think of making something to replace the Star Trek: Animated Series sig I currently have.
[quote name='GuilewasNK']Anyone have any good quality DS9 images? Preferably of either Sisko, Worf, Quark or Garak? Any others will be ok though. I am think of making something to replace the Star Trek: Animated Series sig I currently have.[/QUOTE]
wiki to the rescue !!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Star_Trek_images
wiki to the rescue !!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Star_Trek_images
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[quote name='ITDEFX']wiki to the rescue !!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Star_Trek_images[/quote]
Thanks dude. I used to Sisko, Defiant and DS9 logo to whip something up pretty quick.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Star_Trek_images[/quote]
Thanks dude. I used to Sisko, Defiant and DS9 logo to whip something up pretty quick.
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[quote name='2Fast']Anyone else sorta surprised that Avery Brooks doesn't get more work? He's easily one of the best actors from Star Trek and a pretty damn good actor in general IMO.[/quote]
He teaches acting at a college IIRC. He may not have time for any roles.
He teaches acting at a college IIRC. He may not have time for any roles.
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[quote name='ITDEFX']most star trek actors post series don't get any work on tv...so they usually return to theater. Come on last time we saw data, riker, and troi was on enterprise.
and that was 2 years ago.[/QUOTE]
The guy who plays Brent Spiner has been in Threshold, the terribly... ehh... TV show that lasted 13 episodes.
Here's the full list.
http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0000653/
and that was 2 years ago.[/QUOTE]
The guy who plays Brent Spiner has been in Threshold, the terribly... ehh... TV show that lasted 13 episodes.
Here's the full list.
http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0000653/
[quote name='ITDEFX']most star trek actors post series don't get any work on tv...so they usually return to theater. Come on last time we saw data, riker, and troi was on enterprise.
and that was 2 years ago.[/quote]
Yeah that's true. I think the only active ones are Shatner, Stewart, Frakes (directing), Burton (directing), Siddig, Dorn, and Auberjonois. At least those are the only ones that come to mind ATM.
and that was 2 years ago.[/quote]
Yeah that's true. I think the only active ones are Shatner, Stewart, Frakes (directing), Burton (directing), Siddig, Dorn, and Auberjonois. At least those are the only ones that come to mind ATM.
I didn't have much trouble with that mission. The important thing is just making sure all the planets are safe, have a starship at each planet, and get the turrets there as quickly as possible when you have access to them.
Keep on going, because the TNG missions are by far the best of the bunch. I wish the TOS and ENT missions were more like the TNG missions, especially the last 2.
Keep on going, because the TNG missions are by far the best of the bunch. I wish the TOS and ENT missions were more like the TNG missions, especially the last 2.
[quote name='Kaijufan']I didn't have much trouble with that mission. The important thing is just making sure all the planets are safe, have a starship at each planet, and get the turrets there as quickly as possible when you have access to them.
Keep on going, because the TNG missions are by far the best of the bunch. I wish the TOS and ENT missions were more like the TNG missions, especially the last 2.[/quote]
I've tried it about 5 times, usually with the same results. At least one of my ships picks its nose for just enough time so that I'm doomed; generally a few seconds after I have access to the turrets.
The game is alright, it's just that this mission is so ridiculous and un-fun that I can't bring myself to do it.
Keep on going, because the TNG missions are by far the best of the bunch. I wish the TOS and ENT missions were more like the TNG missions, especially the last 2.[/quote]
I've tried it about 5 times, usually with the same results. At least one of my ships picks its nose for just enough time so that I'm doomed; generally a few seconds after I have access to the turrets.
The game is alright, it's just that this mission is so ridiculous and un-fun that I can't bring myself to do it.
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[quote name='2Fast']Star Trek: Legacy is really pissing me off. The first Next Generation mission is im-
ing-possible.[/quote]
I am half tempted to trade in a lot of my stuff just so I can get a 360 and Legacy.
ing-possible.[/quote]I am half tempted to trade in a lot of my stuff just so I can get a 360 and Legacy.
[quote name='GuilewasNK']I am half tempted to trade in a lot of my stuff just so I can get a 360 and Legacy.[/quote]
Replace Legacy with Gears of War or Oblivion and you've made yourself a good purchase
Legacy is okay, but definitely not worth MSRP right now (IMO).
Replace Legacy with Gears of War or Oblivion and you've made yourself a good purchase
Legacy is okay, but definitely not worth MSRP right now (IMO).
[quote name='David85']The problem with all Star Trek games are that the ships on the show move from left to right, but in the games you need to move in a 360 view.[/QUOTE]
In the upcoming MMORPG for Star Trek, it's 2D Combat. Someone asked during an interview with the developers why they decided to go with 2D Combat rather than 3D, and they replied that basically "you can count the number of times ships have fought on different planes [Z-Axis] on one hand."
In the upcoming MMORPG for Star Trek, it's 2D Combat. Someone asked during an interview with the developers why they decided to go with 2D Combat rather than 3D, and they replied that basically "you can count the number of times ships have fought on different planes [Z-Axis] on one hand."
[quote name='David85']The problem with all Star Trek games are that the ships on the show move from left to right, but in the games you need to move in a 360 view.[/QUOTE]
the problem in the early days of star trek was movement was limited to filming techniques. Once they nailed down the lighting and modeling using computer graphics, they could now move the ship and camera anywhere. DS9, Voyager and Enterprise used cg versions of the ships to give them greater movements, TNG had a few CG enterprises that stood out.
the problem in the early days of star trek was movement was limited to filming techniques. Once they nailed down the lighting and modeling using computer graphics, they could now move the ship and camera anywhere. DS9, Voyager and Enterprise used cg versions of the ships to give them greater movements, TNG had a few CG enterprises that stood out.
[quote name='lordwow']In the upcoming MMORPG for Star Trek, it's 2D Combat. Someone asked during an interview with the developers why they decided to go with 2D Combat rather than 3D, and they replied that basically "you can count the number of times ships have fought on different planes [Z-Axis] on one hand."[/QUOTE]
That game needs to have alpha/beta sign ups soon. The borg should NOT be a playable race. Borg invasions should be dev events, where your in one sector then get a report that a borg cube has entered federation space and your ordered to either join the fight, protect your system, evactuate the planet's government leaders or if you want, warp the hell out of federation space (go awol).
That's an interesting idea. If you abandon starfleet, and are considered renagades by starfleet and the federation, you can no longer dock at a federation outpost/station and AI control fed ships can fire upon you at will. Your only choice would be to either give up and return to the federation (loose your rank) or defect and sell your ship to the romulans for a boat load of money and would have to be assigned to a romulan ship.
That game needs to have alpha/beta sign ups soon. The borg should NOT be a playable race. Borg invasions should be dev events, where your in one sector then get a report that a borg cube has entered federation space and your ordered to either join the fight, protect your system, evactuate the planet's government leaders or if you want, warp the hell out of federation space (go awol).
That's an interesting idea. If you abandon starfleet, and are considered renagades by starfleet and the federation, you can no longer dock at a federation outpost/station and AI control fed ships can fire upon you at will. Your only choice would be to either give up and return to the federation (loose your rank) or defect and sell your ship to the romulans for a boat load of money and would have to be assigned to a romulan ship.
[quote name='ananag112']The borg should be playable IMO, but can only attack those who pose a threat (those at a very high level). They can assimilate them, but the person at a high level can also defeat them.[/QUOTE]
NO!
The borg SHOULD NOT BE PLAYABLE!!
The borg is too powerful. You can't captain a borg ship, you need dozens of drones to thousands of drones to operate one ship. It would get boring to run around for months assimilating the galaxy. Plus it would be bad for a noob who joined the game late (like 6months to a year later after launch) to find out most of the planets have been assimilated by the borg. I personally would hate to pay 15 bucks a month to find out the first week in the game I can't do squat cause the borg have assimilated 80% of the game universe
NO!
The borg SHOULD NOT BE PLAYABLE!!
The borg is too powerful. You can't captain a borg ship, you need dozens of drones to thousands of drones to operate one ship. It would get boring to run around for months assimilating the galaxy. Plus it would be bad for a noob who joined the game late (like 6months to a year later after launch) to find out most of the planets have been assimilated by the borg. I personally would hate to pay 15 bucks a month to find out the first week in the game I can't do squat cause the borg have assimilated 80% of the game universe
[quote name='2Fast']I've tried it about 5 times, usually with the same results. At least one of my ships picks its nose for just enough time so that I'm doomed; generally a few seconds after I have access to the turrets.
The game is alright, it's just that this mission is so ridiculous and un-fun that I can't bring myself to do it.[/quote]
Do you manage your ships with the overview screen, and always be sure to target asteroids with the red boxes around them? Usually when I saw an asteroid with a red box on the overview screen that was getting close to a planet I would swap to that ship, control the ship long enough to destroy the asteroid, and then go back to to the overview menu.
[quote name='GuilewasNK']I am half tempted to trade in a lot of my stuff just so I can get a 360 and Legacy.[/quote]
It isn't worth getting a 360 just for Legacy, but there are so many good games for the 360 that it's worth getting the system.
The game is alright, it's just that this mission is so ridiculous and un-fun that I can't bring myself to do it.[/quote]
Do you manage your ships with the overview screen, and always be sure to target asteroids with the red boxes around them? Usually when I saw an asteroid with a red box on the overview screen that was getting close to a planet I would swap to that ship, control the ship long enough to destroy the asteroid, and then go back to to the overview menu.
[quote name='GuilewasNK']I am half tempted to trade in a lot of my stuff just so I can get a 360 and Legacy.[/quote]
It isn't worth getting a 360 just for Legacy, but there are so many good games for the 360 that it's worth getting the system.
[quote name='Kaijufan']
It isn't worth getting a 360 just for Legacy, but there are so many good games for the 360 that it's worth getting the system.[/QUOTE]
GuilewasNK shouldn't be getting the 360 for legacy, he should be getting it for DoAX2!!
but seriously if he wants legacy, get the pc version. Although controls are sloppy til you get use to them, the mods are out and new ships are coming out that look great!
It isn't worth getting a 360 just for Legacy, but there are so many good games for the 360 that it's worth getting the system.[/QUOTE]
GuilewasNK shouldn't be getting the 360 for legacy, he should be getting it for DoAX2!!
but seriously if he wants legacy, get the pc version. Although controls are sloppy til you get use to them, the mods are out and new ships are coming out that look great!
[quote name='ITDEFX']NO!
The borg SHOULD NOT BE PLAYABLE!!
The borg is too powerful. You can't captain a borg ship, you need dozens of drones to thousands of drones to operate one ship. It would get boring to run around for months assimilating the galaxy. Plus it would be bad for a noob who joined the game late (like 6months to a year later after launch) to find out most of the planets have been assimilated by the borg. I personally would hate to pay 15 bucks a month to find out the first week in the game I can't do squat cause the borg have assimilated 80% of the game universe[/QUOTE]
What if 8472 is playable as well?
And the borg in the game won't assimilate everyone, just people at a very high level.
I have never played an MMORPG before so I may not have a good idea on how it all works, but I would love the idea of getting assimilated by the borg and then joining them.
The borg SHOULD NOT BE PLAYABLE!!
The borg is too powerful. You can't captain a borg ship, you need dozens of drones to thousands of drones to operate one ship. It would get boring to run around for months assimilating the galaxy. Plus it would be bad for a noob who joined the game late (like 6months to a year later after launch) to find out most of the planets have been assimilated by the borg. I personally would hate to pay 15 bucks a month to find out the first week in the game I can't do squat cause the borg have assimilated 80% of the game universe
[/QUOTE]What if 8472 is playable as well?
And the borg in the game won't assimilate everyone, just people at a very high level.
I have never played an MMORPG before so I may not have a good idea on how it all works, but I would love the idea of getting assimilated by the borg and then joining them.
[quote name='ananag112']What if 8472 is playable as well?
And the borg in the game won't assimilate everyone, just people at a very high level.
I have never played an MMORPG before so I may not have a good idea on how it all works, but I would love the idea of getting assimilated by the borg and then joining them.[/QUOTE]
ONCE again.....NO
Yea it is true that the borg would only attack/capture/assimilate higher level ships, but they won't care for small shuttles/transports.
If you never played a MMORPG, just avoid Star Wars Galaxies altogether. Its just an unreconizable mess right now, that I tried to get back into after a year break (i was a first year vet), but now its not worth it as all my friends are gone
To be honest, I would love to start as a Klingon.
And the borg in the game won't assimilate everyone, just people at a very high level.
I have never played an MMORPG before so I may not have a good idea on how it all works, but I would love the idea of getting assimilated by the borg and then joining them.[/QUOTE]
ONCE again.....NO
Yea it is true that the borg would only attack/capture/assimilate higher level ships, but they won't care for small shuttles/transports.
If you never played a MMORPG, just avoid Star Wars Galaxies altogether. Its just an unreconizable mess right now, that I tried to get back into after a year break (i was a first year vet), but now its not worth it as all my friends are gone
To be honest, I would love to start as a Klingon.
bread's done