Gene Roddenberry's Star Trek topic

[quote name='ananag112'] I am going to try and sit down one week and watch the series from the first episode to the last. [/QUOTE]

That will only make you hate it more. i love the show but the first few seasons are a bore. They are very important to the charaters plotlines down the road, but I can't stand them. The last few seasons with the war rock.
 
[quote name='David85']That will only make you hate it more. i love the show but the first few seasons are a bore. They are very important to the charaters plotlines down the road, but I can't stand them. The last few seasons with the war rock.[/quote]
Very true. The first few seasons of DS9 are really boring, but you kind of have to watch them to understand everything that's coming up. It's kind of like the first season of Babylon 5.
 
fuck! Last week Spike aired an MXC marathon on Friday instead of the usual DS9 episode and when they picked back up on Monday they just skipped an epi. Now I see they are doing the same thing this week and next week (and probably every week.) That really sucks.

They are about 4 or 5 episodes into the last season so I guess I'll miss 4 or 5 of the last 20 episodes. (Been watching this entire run.)
 
Spike TV pulls this crap all the time. I am getting sick of them chopping up episodes .. oh well I still have TNG and DS9 DVD's so I can watch them anytime.
 
Actually I watched TNG through the complete run months ago and right now the DS9 run when it flipped over several months back up until now and this is the first time they've skipped an episode. Every time they've changed up their regular programming for a marathon of some show they always pick up the next regular day with the correct next episode.

That's why I was pretty surprised they are screwing this up week after week now. I'm hoping they'll actually have fixed this on Monday, but I checked the sched on their own website today and it still shows this problem.
 
DS9 always gets the shit end of the stick. I wish they'd go back to showing two episodes per day, and then re-show at least one episode at night instead of Voyager.
 
I think I might know what is wrong with Star Trek..

We've been in the TNG/DS9/VOY timeframe for too many years.

The original series was only for a few years, but we had current generation star-trek since the late 80's, that would be almost 20 years of the current generation.

With even more technology now, we shouldn't be going INTO the past with star trek, we need to go into the FUTURE.

I would call this project;

Star Trek: To Boldy Go

It would be set about 50 - 100 years into the future, and we would at least get some more information about these plots;

  • The Original TNG crew showned in a few first episodes now older. Could now offically put them to rest if needed be, and does B-4 inhereit data's programming and strives to do what Data set to acheive?
  • The Alternative Universe, and having an effect with this one.
  • The Borg, and what has happened to them? Are they defeated? Are they a new ally or still our enemies?
  • Romulans, and if they are now part of the federation.
  • The After Effects of the Dominion War; Where did Sisko go? Whats going on with Quark? etc
  • Captain Janeway and the Crew; What happens to Tom Paris, and does Harry Kim get a fucking promotion yet? :lol:

.. and we could go from there. Make Trans-warp doable, cure more diseases, new weapon technologies, etc. with a brand-new crew. The ship would be called "Enterprise"

I think this is what Star Trek is lacking, we are afraid of the future and more change, but going back further with movies and series will only stagnate it more and more.
 
If the show is set 100 years into the future, most of those characters would be dead by now. Brent Spiner isn't looking any younger, so having him continue to play Data/B4 doesn't seem to work in my head.

But I agree, moving ahead is what Star Trek is all about. One of the best things about DS9 was that it introduced the Dominion as an empire from a sector that would be impossible to reach without a wormhole......which kinda opened things up in terms of story.

One of the great failings of Voyager is that they got sent to the other side of the galaxy or universe or whatever, and everything was basically the same as it was here....kinda lame if you ask me. They could still communicate with all the races and ships, they finally introduced the Bio Creatures because even the Borg were getting stale by that point.

Agreed..20 years of Trek is enough for awhile.
 
I say the next series should involve a new worm hole that leads to another galaxy and it should be completely different from our own galaxy and our technology will look inferior to their technology.
 
[quote name='HeadRusch']If the show is set 100 years into the future, most of those characters would be dead by now. Brent Spiner isn't looking any younger, so having him continue to play Data/B4 doesn't seem to work in my head.

But I agree, moving ahead is what Star Trek is all about. One of the best things about DS9 was that it introduced the Dominion as an empire from a sector that would be impossible to reach without a wormhole......which kinda opened things up in terms of story.

One of the great failings of Voyager is that they got sent to the other side of the galaxy or universe or whatever, and everything was basically the same as it was here....kinda lame if you ask me. They could still communicate with all the races and ships, they finally introduced the Bio Creatures because even the Borg were getting stale by that point.

Agreed..20 years of Trek is enough for awhile.[/QUOTE]

You forget, people live hell of a lot longer in the future :lol:
 
Yes, they should move to the future.

They should do it via another animated show in Bruce Timm's Justice League Unlimited art style. That would kick all kinds of ass. Plus, animation is perfect for creating fantastic new worlds and special effects. It is also the most cost effective way to do a new series.
 
[quote name='The Dord']I think I might know what is wrong with Star Trek..

We've been in the TNG/DS9/VOY timeframe for too many years.
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There are a lot of things wrong with Star Trek. You might have a point with this, but I think it is a very mild problem compared to others. People didn't hate Voyager and the first couple of seasons of Enterprise because they were set in the current generation. They hated them because they were awful.

It would be set about 50 - 100 years into the future, and we would at least get some more information about these plots;
  • The Original TNG crew showned in a few first episodes now older. Could now offically put them to rest if needed be, and does B-4 inhereit data's programming and strives to do what Data set to acheive?
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I think the best thing to do with B-4 and Nemesis is to forget they ever happened.

  • The Alternative Universe, and having an effect with this one.
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Ugh, NO! One of the few things that DS9 totally got wrong was the mirror universe. "Crossover" was great. But they couldn't leave well enough alone, and each subsequent trip got duller and dumber.

It's fun to play with the mirror universe, but that should be one episode per series, tops.

  • The Borg, and what has happened to them? Are they defeated? Are they a new ally or still our enemies?
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Again, NO! Please, can we bury the Borg? We've done just about everything there is to do with them, and we've turned them from the scourge of the galaxy into a laughingstock and plot contrivance. Enough.

Let's remember them from when they were cool. We need to move on. We need something new, something equally inspired, and something that won't degenerate into an emasculated punching bag.

  • Romulans, and if they are now part of the federation.
  • The After Effects of the Dominion War; Where did Sisko go? Whats going on with Quark? etc
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These are not bad ideas, although we should bury Quark and the Ferengi, too. We've seen quite enough of them.

Be careful, though. "More Romulans" always seems like a good idea. And then we were given "Nemesis".

  • Captain Janeway and the Crew; What happens to Tom Paris, and does Harry Kim get a fucking promotion yet? :lol:
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I think the best thing to do with Janeway, Paris, and Kim and all of Voyager is to forget they ever happened.

Better yet, if they're really serious about making better Trek, they could apologize for it. And then forget it ever happened.

I can't believe I'm about to say this, but I think Trek might need a giant reset button.

I don't want a new series to tell me more about TNG, DS9, and Voyager characters. The idea of guest stars from Voyager, or dealing with continuity from that show is enough to make me want to scream and run away.

At the very least, I think Trek needs a clean break from everything that has come before. It needs new ideas, new aliens, and a new focus. Just making a ship and a crew and launching into space is not enough. Why should we watch? What story is there to be told? Rehashing old Trek history and plots is not enough. Maybe being set 100 years in the future is a way to do this.
 
Voyager isn't a bad show at all. There are some great lines with the Doctor and the various areas in which he is naive. A la Data or Odo.

Did you catch the two parter that aired this week? "Future's End" Ed Begley Jr. was a guest star. :mrgreen: And he
hacked Voyager with a Pentium III. Rock on! After he did it Janeway made some comment that he must be using his discovered future tech to do it. Pshhht, yeah right. I'd make up something if Ed Begley Jr. hacked my star ship with a Pentium III, too. Gotta be embarassing.
 
[quote name='wubb']Voyager isn't a bad show at all. There are some great lines with the Doctor and the various areas in which he is naive. A la Data or Odo.

Did you catch the two parter that aired this week? "Future's End" Ed Begley Jr. was a guest star. :mrgreen: And he
hacked Voyager with a Pentium III. Rock on! After he did it Janeway made some comment that he must be using his discovered future tech to do it. Pshhht, yeah right. I'd make up something if Ed Begley Jr. hacked my star ship with a Pentium III, too. Gotta be embarassing.
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Yeah. Sarah Silverman was in it too. She's quite the cutie. :)
 
[quote name='wubb']Voyager isn't a bad show at all. There are some great lines with the Doctor and the various areas in which he is naive. A la Data or Odo.

Did you catch the two parter that aired this week? "Future's End" Ed Begley Jr. was a guest star. :mrgreen: And he
hacked Voyager with a Pentium III. Rock on! After he did it Janeway made some comment that he must be using his discovered future tech to do it. Pshhht, yeah right. I'd make up something if Ed Begley Jr. hacked my star ship with a Pentium III, too. Gotta be embarassing.
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it wasn't a Pentium III. If anything it might have been a later model of the Pentium I. Pentium 3 didn't hit til 1999, while this episode takes place in 1996.

Maybe it was a AMD processor :p
 
[quote name='GuilewasNK']Yeah. Sarah Silverman was in it too. She's quite the cutie. :)[/QUOTE]


I can't find any information on her :( yeah she was a cutie, yet Paris quicky forgot about her after that episode. Man if I was Paris, I would have done a Star trek 4 and took her with me to the future :p
 
[quote name='blandstalker']
I think the best thing to do with B-4 and Nemesis is to forget they ever happened.

I could agree with this. All I wanted is a conclusion.

Ugh, NO! One of the few things that DS9 totally got wrong was the mirror universe. "Crossover" was great. But they couldn't leave well enough alone, and each subsequent trip got duller and dumber.

It's fun to play with the mirror universe, but that should be one episode per series, tops.

This could be solved by having new blood directing the series. ToS, IMO, did it better than any other series regarding this.


Again, NO! Please, can we bury the Borg? We've done just about everything there is to do with them, and we've turned them from the scourge of the galaxy into a laughingstock and plot contrivance. Enough.

See my first reply.

These are not bad ideas, although we should bury Quark and the Ferengi, too. We've seen quite enough of them.

Every Stark Trek series needs comedic relief, but even so, I'd like to see a Ferengi in a serious role, Nog * 1.5.

Be careful, though. "More Romulans" always seems like a good idea. And then we were given "Nemesis".

People always said "More Klingons" always seems like a good idea years ago, and people loved them. I say bring the Romulans!


I think the best thing to do with Janeway, Paris, and Kim and all of Voyager is to forget they ever happened.

One episode would do, maybe a quick telling on how they are doing and leaving them alone for quite a few seasons


I can't believe I'm about to say this, but I think Trek might need a giant reset button.

This could either be a blessing, or a major fuck up. They have to teeter between getting the old fans angry or satisfying new fans.

I don't want a new series to tell me more about TNG, DS9, and Voyager characters. The idea of guest stars from Voyager, or dealing with continuity from that show is enough to make me want to scream and run away.

Again, its not like I am asking for them to be on EVERY fuck ing episode. We would see them for maybe 1-2 episodes tops in the first season and then you wouldn't see them again.

At the very least, I think Trek needs a clean break from everything that has come before. It needs new ideas, new aliens, and a new focus. Just making a ship and a crew and launching into space is not enough. Why should we watch? What story is there to be told? Rehashing old Trek history and plots is not enough. Maybe being set 100 years in the future is a way to do this.

There is plenty of new ideas, it is called "Laziness" by Rick Berman. I bet anyone 5 cents that most people could come up with new ideas. A theme has to be seen through the series, yes, but you don't need to rehash ideas unless they were sucessful the first time around. Why should transwarp be a failure? There is already many races that exist now that don't get their deserved air-time that could be more fleshed out now. Revisit colonies/planets that previous series have rescued and see how they are coming along.
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[quote name='lordwow']Like most Treks, Voyager wasn't bad if you skip the first 2 seasons.[/quote]
It's sad how true that is. I wonder why the first two seasons of modern Treks are always of lower quality then the seasons that follow. Sure it takes some time to get the hang of the show, both the writers and the actors, but I would think Trek is established well enough that it wouldn't be a huge problem.
 
[quote name='2Fast']Please retcon Nemesis. Tell us it was a holonovel or something.[/quote]

What a great idea.

I have this image of Janeway in a stuffy dress in the holodeck. Aliens take over the ship (it's Voyager) and decide to torture her by taking down her idol, Jean Luc Picard. (Of course, we know her idol is Riker, but Voyager sucked at continuity anyway, so who cares.) They decide the best way to do this is to force her to watch her idol being destroyed by his nemesis.

Other Voyager characters rebel against the aliens. B'Elanna and Seven rig up ways for the Holodoc, Tuvok, Neelix, and Chakotay to "take over" characters in the ongoing holodrama. Sure, this sounds like a weak ripoff of several DS9 episodes, but, hey, it's Voyager.

Thanks to their efforts, the nemesis is defeated. The aliens decide to leave and never come back.

Janeway exits the holodeck, changes into her uniform, and heads to the bridge. She and the bridge crew talk about the disturbing experience and say something profound as Voyager warps off into the Delta Quadrant.

And then Kira Nerys wakes up and says "What a horrible dream. What kind of stupid name is 'Janeway' anyway? I've got to stop eating hasparat right before bed."
 
[quote name='2Fast']Looks like Kate Mulgrew (somehow) got work again, some show on NBC called "The Black Donnellys."[/QUOTE]

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It's a Faaaaaaaaaake!
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[quote name='2Fast']"The Siege of AR-558" = another good DS9 episode. I've really been lucking out on Tuesdays.[/QUOTE]

DS9 is on it's final episodes lately. Within a week or so, I see a reset.
 
[quote name='The Dord']DS9 is on it's final episodes lately. Within a week or so, I see a reset.[/QUOTE]

with Spike cutting back to only one episode of ds9 per day, it will take another 12 days or so maybe more. You know how spike tv loves to run a marathon during a holiday and president's day we are going to get worlds wildest police videos, Bond day or MXC?

bah
 
Covenant
It's Only a Paper Moon
Prodigal Daughter
The Emperor's New Cloak
Field of Fire
Chimera
Badda-Bing, Badda-Bang
Inter Arma Enim Silent Leges
Penumbra
'Til Death Do Us Part
Strange Bedfellows
The Changing Face of Evil
When It Rains...
Tacking Into the Wind
Extreme Measures
The Dogs of War
What You Leave Behind

I think this is the list of episodes left before the end of the series.
 
[quote name='The Dord']Covenant
It's Only a Paper Moon
Prodigal Daughter
The Emperor's New Cloak
Field of Fire
Chimera
Badda-Bing, Badda-Bang
Inter Arma Enim Silent Leges
Penumbra
'Til Death Do Us Part
Strange Bedfellows
The Changing Face of Evil
When It Rains...
Tacking Into the Wind
Extreme Measures
The Dogs of War
What You Leave Behind

I think this is the list of episodes left before the end of the series.[/QUOTE]

So about 3 more weeks or so of DS9 on Spike before the reset lol.
 
Star Trek program on History Channel right now. Talking about the holodeck at the moment.

*edit* Might be about holograms in general. Not too sure yet.
 
[quote name='2Fast']I think I may have seen that before, it's narrated by Bill Shatner right?[/quote]

Nope. This is the first airing I believe. Leonard Nimoy hosting.
 
[quote name='2Fast']Avery Brooks is lookin' pretty old :oldman:[/quote]

They all do except Patrick. I think he must work out because he seems to never put on weight, unlike Jonathan Frakes.
 
[quote name='GuilewasNK']They all do except Patrick. I think he must work out because he seems to never put on weight, unlike Jonathan Frakes.[/quote]

:D

Avery still looks like he could do some more with a little make-up and some color in his goatee, but man is Frakes bloated. Marina Sirtis still looks good for her age, unlike Kate Mulgrew who looks/sounds like she's been smoking five cartons a day since Voyager ended.
 
[quote name='2Fast']It would be so awesome to have one of those models, I'd never get laid again, but it would be fantastic to have.[/quote]

:lol: That sentence could be taken all kinds of ways.
 
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