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Yea, I saw the reply :lol:

I'm not that big of a fan of akuma since you have to play a major keep away game since his health sucks. I loved that one match where we just constantly tech each other's throws. Seriously though, best matches I've had all night, extremely fun. Not to mention, I like fighting a variety of characters as well as picking them. ;)
 
[quote name='asianxcore']True story. I'm all for new players in any fighting game, keeps the community stronger. More competition

Thing is, shit like that is what I get annoyed with. Do we want a community filled with new players who make excuses when they lose. How about players that make excuses when they see tactics they've never seen before. I've always learned to take the losses on the chin and move on. Obviously if you lost, there is always a reason for it right?

If you lose, figure out why you lost and get better. Thing is I get confused because maybe these players don't want to get better, maybe they are just fine beating their friends and showing off to them. Who knows[/quote]

I think the problem a lot of new players have is that many of the more seasoned veterans are content with just beating the noobs and moving on.. never offering any advice on how to improve. That's what I noticed from most of the local SRK people I've met anyway.
 
[quote name='PhrostByte']I think the problem a lot of new players have is that many of the more seasoned veterans are content with just beating the noobs and moving on.. never offering any advice on how to improve. That's what I noticed from most of the local SRK people I've met anyway.[/quote]
the problem is that the company that puts out the game has no interest on seriously training the players or teaching them the "right" way to play or even vesting an interest in the true competitive scene, leaving it up to the scene itself to advance the competitive community.

why do i have to take the time out of my life to improve someone else? i will only do that if the guy actually shows that he wants to improve himself, because then he / she can teach me a few things too.

i've taken the time to train this one in girl in SC4 and SF3 because she said she wanted to learn but the fact is that she never took the time to seriously learn by herself or even grasp what i'm saying. i'd talk to her about frame advantage and learning key combos and punishers, and then the next day she'd tell me about how she learned how to do all the moves from the movelist and she still button mashes when she plays because she doesn't want to take the time to improve. it was a waste of my time.

that's why i don't care and that's why the veterans shouldn't care.
 
Did you guys hear that the World Cyber Games have banned both Seth and Gouken? I'm kinda surprised Akuma wasn't on that list too.
 
omg... I'm tryin to play SFIV...

first off... I havent played in a week and I'm getting my ass kicked!!

2ndly... I've only played 4 games!!! wtf where is everybody?!?! hype's over now?!?!

regardless I only won one of those 4... everybody's steppin up except me >_<

lost to Bison, Honda, n Rufus... beat Guile o_O
 
[quote name='kainzero']the problem is that the company that puts out the game has no interest on seriously training the players or teaching them the "right" way to play or even vesting an interest in the true competitive scene, leaving it up to the scene itself to advance the competitive community.

why do i have to take the time out of my life to improve someone else? i will only do that if the guy actually shows that he wants to improve himself, because then he / she can teach me a few things too.

i've taken the time to train this one in girl in SC4 and SF3 because she said she wanted to learn but the fact is that she never took the time to seriously learn by herself or even grasp what i'm saying. i'd talk to her about frame advantage and learning key combos and punishers, and then the next day she'd tell me about how she learned how to do all the moves from the movelist and she still button mashes when she plays because she doesn't want to take the time to improve. it was a waste of my time.

that's why i don't care and that's why the veterans shouldn't care.[/quote]

Maybe.. but I think that all boils down to something that I'll call, "overall ease of entry" as a group dynamic. A welcome environment usually becomes a thriving environment. I know that very few of the people I play locally (besides a couple great guys up at UMBC) really gave a fuck about helping me learn how to play SFIV. I had to learn from:


  1. just playing online
  2. CAGs
  3. my one buddy from work
that's the only way I learned how to become semi-decent.
 
[quote name='BlueSwim']I'm kinda surprised Akuma wasn't on that list too. [/QUOTE]lol. I second the ...

I bet they're gonna ban good players also
 
I should have posted a link to the ban story, which I am doing now.

And as for the Akuma comment I made, I've never used Akuma before SFIV and he seemed easier to lay some heavy smack down with than Gouken......That, and I've hardly played SFIV in the last month thanks to Best Buy's 50% off anime sale last month, so SFIV's fighter balancing isn't fresh in my mind.:lol:
 
damn so SFIV been out on console like 2 months already and only NOW I'm playing SmallWind for the first time

o_O what the hell?!?!

lol. on your chest btw.

GGs dood... but u gotta step it up!! I wanna see those dive kicks get low!!

Flo Rida style Rufus! shawty get low low low low low low low low~
 
i learned to improve by watching videos then reading srk stuff....

then experimenting with retarded combos that work.

then facing the same few people then random battles...

im still a newbie!
 
You're serious about it though, you want to go on to play in tournaments and have been learning by yourself as well as through fights. Dunno why, but I seriously stepped up my game since I fought AXC. The gap between me and him was incredible. We need to fight again eventually.

EDIT: Oh and I think I can give some small advice about certain match ups now.
 
[quote name='JEKKI']
GGs dood... but u gotta step it up!! I wanna see those dive kicks get low!!

Flo Rida style Rufus! shawty get low low low low low low low low~[/quote]:rofl: Don't want to get electrocuted doing dive kicks.
 
VF5 ... is it worth picking up the 360 version? Based on the fact I have zero experience, would only play offline, or online with friends or you guys and have no stick for my 360, only the stock controller and chun-li fightpad. Is it still a version worth playing since VF5R is out in arcades (not sure actually)?
 
So I just back from my buddy's house after playing MK Vs DC. It's ok, I guess. How do you do the cancel/breakers? A couple times we were just spamming single punch moves over and over and the other guy couldn't get out of it. It was rather funny, actually.
 
[quote name='distgfx']You're serious about it though, you want to go on to play in tournaments and have been learning by yourself as well as through fights. Dunno why, but I seriously stepped up my game since I fought AXC. The gap between me and him was incredible. We need to fight again eventually.
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You are making me blush! No seriously, it's always nice to see people take new information from every loss or every win of a fight. There are reasons for both. If you win, you can still see why you won or how you can get better. With losing, it's never just that. Why did you lose? What can you do better next time.

I realize not everyone wants to be tournament level or even cares, but I just can't stand this new generation of fighting game players (which spawned with SC4/SFIV) that throws around terms like "noob" and "cheap" without knowing what they are really saying.

Then again I also agree with kainzero, I've gotten to the point with fighting games where I am open to teach anyone who is willing to learn. I am always open to answer questions or help out with matchups, or pick out what can make someones character tighter. For example tonight I was at a big get together with my friends and there were games going on in every room of this house. Lots of people were asking and talking about SFIV and how they could improve, or how they beat this certain matchup and so on. These people seemed very sincere about learning and not once did anyone complain with "Oh god, he's so cheap" or "That's so cheesy" or anything like that. They all took losses on the chin and applied themselves to casuals in SFIV later.

I had the experience of having my old crew work really hard to get us up to speed in many FG games. Most of them were really good and then one day they all collectively stopped playing, answering phone calls and practicing. It was disheartening as a friend and as a fellow member of a fighting game group. They didn't care enough to keep going seriously (which was also fun at the same time), so I didn't care to want to push them to play all the time. So now I'm with a different group of friends/crew that has a ton of fun but also we push each other to do our best and learn new tactics.

You learn wherever you can take it nowadays. Information is everywhere and arcades are still thriving in certain parts of the country. Competition is everywhere, you just gotta look.

On a kind of related note (not really), at the party I went to tonight we threw a 16-18 man (maybe more) SFIV Tournament.

Rules were:
-Double Elim
-Winner keeps character
-3 Rounds
-Best 2/3
-Losers & Winners Bracket

It was the most fun I've had recently and I took first place with Abel/Seth. I won the winners bracket clean and then sat around all night talking, hanging out until Winner's final. Too fun!

Got home at 5am though :)
 
[quote name='gunm']So I just back from my buddy's house after playing MK Vs DC. It's ok, I guess. How do you do the cancel/breakers? A couple times we were just spamming single punch moves over and over and the other guy couldn't get out of it. It was rather funny, actually.[/quote]

yeah... I have alot to say about MK vs DC...

I like the look of some of the character models and cutscene animations.

...That's the only positive thing I can say about it :bomb:

The same day I got it from gamefly I beat both story modes and sent it back.
 
[quote name='PhrostByte']Maybe.. but I think that all boils down to something that I'll call, "overall ease of entry" as a group dynamic. A welcome environment usually becomes a thriving environment. I know that very few of the people I play locally (besides a couple great guys up at UMBC) really gave a fuck about helping me learn how to play SFIV. I had to learn from:


  1. just playing online
  2. CAGs
  3. my one buddy from work
that's the only way I learned how to become semi-decent.[/QUOTE]

4. Playing with Jim
 
[quote name='asianxcore']I realize not everyone wants to be tournament level or even cares, but I just can't stand this new generation of fighting game players (which spawned with SC4/SFIV) that throws around terms like "noob" and "cheap" without knowing what they are really saying.
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Agreed with this. That's mostly why I don't play too many randoms in fighters. I did play everybody in VF5 online. I always hosted. I haven't played more than a few randoms in SFIV. I'm waiting for rooms. If a fighter has rooms, I don't mind playing randoms.

I've never had a crew to roll with and play fighters with. At most, it was a few friends and I playing SCII. FGT is the only crew I have, really. I need to move out of Podunk and to where I can find locals to play.

[quote name='distgfx']VF5 ... is it worth picking up the 360 version? Based on the fact I have zero experience, would only play offline, or online with friends or you guys and have no stick for my 360, only the stock controller and chun-li fightpad. Is it still a version worth playing since VF5R is out in arcades (not sure actually)?[/QUOTE]

I love VF5, and the 360 version is the current best home version. VF5 R will probably never come home. :cry:

On the stock 360 pad, it's not too bad. I got used to it, but damn that pad sucks ass. I blew out my wireless 360 pad's dpad playing so much VF5. Now that I have a 360 stick, I want to get back into it.

Since I've seen it for cheap, I'd say go for it. I'll play you in it. :)
 
[quote name='distgfx']VF5 ... is it worth picking up the 360 version? Based on the fact I have zero experience, would only play offline, or online with friends or you guys and have no stick for my 360, only the stock controller and chun-li fightpad. Is it still a version worth playing since VF5R is out in arcades (not sure actually)?[/quote]

I'd play you.

[quote name='Jimbo Slice']4. Playing with Jim[/quote]

I lumped you in with the other CAGs. :D
 
[quote name='distgfx']VF5 ... is it worth picking up the 360 version? Based on the fact I have zero experience, would only play offline, or online with friends or you guys and have no stick for my 360, only the stock controller and chun-li fightpad. Is it still a version worth playing since VF5R is out in arcades (not sure actually)?[/quote]
Yeah, get it. Even with a stock 360 pad, it's worth it. The offline "Quest" mode can take about 20 hours to get through, depending on the difficulty. Highly recommended.:cool::cool::cool:
 
[quote name='asianxcore']I realize not everyone wants to be tournament level or even cares, but I just can't stand this new generation of fighting game players (which spawned with SC4/SFIV) that throws around terms like "noob" and "cheap" without knowing what they are really saying.

Then again I also agree with kainzero, I've gotten to the point with fighting games where I am open to teach anyone who is willing to learn. I am always open to answer questions or help out with matchups, or pick out what can make someones character tighter. For example tonight I was at a big get together with my friends and there were games going on in every room of this house. Lots of people were asking and talking about SFIV and how they could improve, or how they beat this certain matchup and so on. These people seemed very sincere about learning and not once did anyone complain with "Oh god, he's so cheap" or "That's so cheesy" or anything like that. They all took losses on the chin and applied themselves to casuals in SFIV later.[/quote]
In my mind, with the amount of information available on the internet now and the speed at which combos / videos are put up, it is EASY to figure out the general flow of the game and how to play... not like back in the days when everyone played Duc's MvC2 Spiral / Cable / Clops because that was the ONLY video available on SRK.

And it pisses me off when they can't reach the basic level of play before asking to be taught.

Example was a couple years back, when a friend of mine (Afam) had a little FG meetup. Well there was this guy that said he wanted to get better. Fair enough, but when we got there he was doing J.HK - C.HK combos in CvS2, misusing terms like Frame Advantage to make himself sound smarter, and calling Bison cheap because of his roll kick (this, btw, was after he saw the PTF combo). Then he kept saying how great DoA was and that he was on Afam's skill level in T5 because he put him in the air and then mashed buttons for a combo.

To me, that's unacceptable. I don't want to take the time to make you better if you can't reach a basic level by yourself. If you at least show that basic level, and you ask questions, people usually will take the time to answer them. And it's easy to befriend people in FGs anyway.

It's not even about being "tournament-level" (whatever that means, I mean, the only thing it takes to be a tournament player is to pay the entry fee), but to just sit down and enjoy the game and it's learning curve and to get better.
 
More good points kainzero. Also sorry to be confusing with the "tournament level" description, I guess what I should've said is that not everyone cares to learn constant and consistent high level play. Again most people who throw those key words (n00b, cheap) around are fine with barely learning the basics and learning one flashy combo to "wow" their friends.

My view on it is if someone is going to call me "cheap" or a "noob" because they can't adapt, I hold them in a different light than someone just learning. I was talking about it last night to my friends, we all still don't get those words used mostly when players can't adapt. If I know someone is unable to tech my throws, you damn sure I'm going to keep doing it. If I know they are susceptible to cross-ups/mix-ups, I'll do that shit too. I shouldn't have to dumb down my gameplay because the other person can't figure out what I am and am not capable of in the first match or so.

To go more on your point about information, internet match videos still feel VERY new to me. I am happy I can watch players from all over the country, but at the same time I think like you do. With all these videos for people to study for FREE, assuming they want to get better, why don't they? There's just so many tools for new players to get better, even if everyone in the fighting game community isn't lending a hand.

I can look up videos from players all over the country. I have several message boards where there are character breakdowns, match-ups, BnB's, everything I could ever want to know about a fighting game without even leaving my chair.

Not to date myself, but when I first got into SFI/SFII, there was none of that. You learned to adapt by getting your ass beat/embarrassed in front of crowds at arcades. You plunked down all the money you had so you could get better. There was no way at the time I could play someone from outside of my area (via internet), so all my comp was my friends and people I met and talked to at arcades. I just find that many new players that I see on SFIV online (and I know it's not indicative of the entire wave of new players) just bitch because overall they are just sore losers. They are playing a game that for years they thought was just a simple game and they "owned" people at arcades years ago. I just still don't appreciate people making up crappy excuses and calling people names if their own skill is at fault.

There are just TOO many tools to study via ANY fighting game you want to learn nowadays. If you truly do want to get better and play high level, the information is there and there is nothing stopping you. Just commit and commit. Play when you don't want to. Practice the same shit over and over till you are sick of it. Apply it, make friends, have fun!
 
Wow... I know I have no right to speak about this particular subject but... Isn't it more fun to figure out this stuff on your own anyway? Even if I lose a lot, I'd rather learn that way because it's more fun. I'll be honest, I'm not trying to get to tournament level and probably never will for any fighter. I do however love playing them and getting better. I've never been a competitive person though. :whistle2:#

Thanks for the recommendation on VF5 guys, looks like I'll be picking it up.
 
Mr. Beef UPDATE!

Decided to send a text to Beef to see what he was up to. He said he doesn't have an internet connection right now, which is why he hasn't been online at all.

Said he should be back next weekend.
 
[quote name='asianxcore']Mr. Beef UPDATE!

Decided to send a text to Beef to see what he was up to. He said he doesn't have an internet connection right now, which is why he hasn't been online at all.

Said he should be back next weekend.[/QUOTE]

That's nice to know. I was starting to think something happened to him.
 
[quote name='RelentlessRolento']yeah... I have alot to say about MK vs DC...

I like the look of some of the character models and cutscene animations.

...That's the only positive thing I can say about it :bomb:

The same day I got it from gamefly I beat both story modes and sent it back.[/quote]
I have heard the lamentations of Kombo Challenges :lol:

I'll be on SFIV in a bit if anyone feels like playing
 
GG's AxC. I think I'm in a slump that started this past week. Though, I think our games just then was a combination of that and you getting better lol. Half my wins came from gief + honda :whistle2:(
 
[quote name='suko_32']GG's AxC. I think I'm in a slump that started this past week. Though, I think our games just then was a combination of that and you getting better lol. Half my wins came from gief + honda :whistle2:([/QUOTE]

GG's to you Suko. Always put up good matches.

I was curious about that too. Your Ryu/Ken are usually dead on but they seemed a little off in those matches. Also I know you used to FA my Seth wall jumps a bunch, but I didn't see too much of it in those matches. Solid nonetheless.

Also those times I was standing around as Abel wasn't meant to taunt, I am starting to practice Abel's Ultra on reaction to fireball startup :)
 
Heh, I'm going for completing the game with everyone on medium or higher along with save your quarters trophy and ended up getting the no continue one with the one person I have never attempted to learn...Gief :lol:

Now I know the power the Red Cyclone wields!

Also, Blanka's intro/ending is just adorable, he does everything for his mama :p
 
[quote name='asianxcore']GG's to you Suko. Always put up good matches.

I was curious about that too. Your Ryu/Ken are usually dead on but they seemed a little off in those matches. Also I know you used to FA my Seth wall jumps a bunch, but I didn't see too much of it in those matches. Solid nonetheless.

Also those times I was standing around as Abel wasn't meant to taunt, I am starting to practice Abel's Ultra on reaction to fireball startup :)[/QUOTE]

Dammit lol. Now that I have an outside opinion of my Ryu/Ken, I know it's true and not just me. Honestly I have no clue what's going on. It started one day when I lost 400 BP one day, then about another 500 BP the next day. I think it's exams and stuff. I can't shake this crappiness off (yet).

As for the Seth thing, it's because you throw a sonic boom now sometimes before you wall jump. I absorb that so I don't think I can take your wall jump kick so I don't go for it. Correct me if I'm wrong though :)

When you're standing around as Abel when our health was low...yeah I know the reason. That's why I wasn't throwing many fireballs and attempting to make it hard for you to predict, so don't worry. I caught on :)
 
[quote name='suko_32']Dammit lol. Now that I have an outside opinion of my Ryu/Ken, I know it's true and not just me. Honestly I have no clue what's going on. It started one day when I lost 400 BP one day, then about another 500 BP the next day. I think it's exams and stuff. I can't shake this crappiness off (yet).

As for the Seth thing, it's because you throw a sonic boom now sometimes before you wall jump. I absorb that so I don't think I can take your wall jump kick so I don't go for it. Correct me if I'm wrong though :)

When you're standing around as Abel when our health was low...yeah I know the reason. That's why I wasn't throwing many fireballs and attempting to make it hard for you to predict, so don't worry. I caught on :)[/QUOTE]

It's not that your Ryu/Ken are completely awful now, I just have come to expect a certain level of play with your Shotos and HeavyD's. Your Ryu is usually pretty lockdown and I was surprised I was getting away with a lot of free stuff with Abel/Seth.

Exams can do that to you. Once that shit is over, you'll get out of your funk.

Also you might be right about the Boom before Wall Jump. I've learned so much more with Abel/Seth in the past month or so that I just automatically applied and still don't realize I'm doing it. The only time I will Wall Jump without boom now is if I know I can get the opponent on Fireball startup.

[quote name='distgfx']You can FA Seth's wall jump? Good to know. ;)[/QUOTE]

Yes! Also that is (like Suko said) if I don't follow the Boom off the wall or if I don't get a clean cross-up out of it. Landing short gets FA punish.
 
[quote name='distgfx']I love learning small stuff like that. May not work against you but it'll come in handy eventually. :lol:[/QUOTE]

I don't do it against the arcade mode Seth though. I'm scared.
 
frickin easter weekend maaaaan...

I didnt go to Denjin tournament coz of it... had I gone I woulda lost my whole weekend due to family stuff tomorrow.

I made up for it by getting stuff done today tho... I should play more SF at home now lol
 
Man I lost a bunch of battle points from playing ranked matches last night when i was drunk and then this morning when I was hungout


off-topic, but does anyone else have Kingdom Under Fire: Circle of Doom and wanna play online co-op? I just got it for 10 bucks.
 
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