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[quote name='JEKKI']it's easy for Valle to say something like that, considering he NEVER shows up to weekly ranbats.

if this game doesnt get an arcade release, you're taking so much away from the community. arcade ranbats will end, thus we wont be putting out videos anymore, japan will stop playing, and the game will turn into sum casual soul calibur shyt while we all move back to 3S.[/QUOTE]

You sound just like the people on GAF and SRK.

[quote name='Mr. Beef']I will not shed a single tear if there i no arcade release. The people saying that they'll quit if there is none? Sucks for them, just means less competition for me at next year's EVO.

Whatever happened to people wanting to find out techniques on their own instead of this "can't Japan just do it?" mentality? I
 
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Throwing my hat in the "disappointed in a RETAIL Super SFIV but will probably buy it anyway" pile. I was hoping that this style of game updates would remain a relic of the SNES age.

I think Burnout Paradise would have been a good template to follow here. That game showed that you can do some huge, game-altering DLC and make it work. There's plenty of optional modes and content, as well as a bunch of tweaks they added to the base game like day/night shifts, checkpoints, and the ability to re-start a race. It was great seeing these incremental changes, many of which were in direct response to complaints people had about the game in its original state. It was like a modern-day equivalent of seeing a new arcade revision come out, and I hoped we'd see fighting games follow a similar example. :whistle2:(
 
A couple of my favorite posts from GAF concerning the non-arcade decision...

hype train hit a brick wall, passengers are outside arguing with each other, I am patiently waiting inside for the shit to get fixed.
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The passengers were bitching about fare rates when the train was running!
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I haven't been on SRK for a good few months, but jesus, the shitstorm that's brewing there is tremendous. There's even an internet petition, the last refuge for the desperate.

@Busta: Ono statted that the amount of content that is being added on was too much for a DLC add-on. While it's questionable to some, either way it still means that I'll be playing it, so smiles all around.
 
Well, as long as people keep buying, Capcom will keep re-releasing the same game but "different". It's all bid-niss, bay-bee... >_<

Edit: Sorry for the stupid question, but why does Japan and their videos have to dictate everything the community over here does?
 
[quote name='gunm']Edit: Sorry for the stupid question, but why does Japan and their videos have to dictate everything the community over here does?[/QUOTE]

Sarcastic response: Because people are nut-hugging weaboos.

Less-sarcastic "REAL TALK" response: Typically, games will arrive in Japan before we get them, which means months more experience, which means they find out things before we do. The JP players tend to play a lot more than your average US player (a LOT more), which means they usually have the time to find out about these Super-Special Awesome techniques that end up on Youtube for everyone to see.

What some people (mainly SRK, some on GAF) are complaining about is that the lack of an arcade release is going to make this disappear outright, which is the most ludicrous statement I've heard in the past week. As I mentioned before, I
 
I don't see what the problem is here. Arcades are all but dead in the states and have been for a long time now. The number that are left that even have a SF4 cab in them is out right laughable. If people are so worried about it killing off the scene why not host your own events? Other gaming groups have been doing it for years now, and if people really are that worried then they will put in the work to keep it around and help it grow. And unless you go to jpn to play there, no one should even be bring it up how it affects the scene, its not your scene, don't worry about it.

As for it not being dlc, really this is a problem? Now getting a physical copy of a game is a bad thing? SF isn't the only fighter that has been doing this, and for me I hope this never changes. The logic behind this complaint is something I can't grasp.

I have to agree with Beef on the video aspect. Simply put, people should get off their lazy ass and put the work in themselves. There is a reason flowcharts get made fun of, now people are panicing because they can't be one wtf.

SSF4 is going to be great, they are bring in two old toons that fans have asked for along with two new ones, and maybe even some of the cast from 3rdS. This addition is going to kick all kinds of ass, and if its that big of a deal their is always Tekken, KoF, and BB.
 
I agree with you Beef. There's no good reason for a lack of arcade release to kill competitive SSFIV, but if the community is unwilling to adjust, then I guess that's that.
 
Hell, I see it as the arcade not holding the console release back. Now we don't have the arcade version to worry about when making balance tweaks through patches and we get the game way earlier now.
 
Isn't Evo, perhaps the most significant event in competitive gaming, strictly console anyway?

That said, I love the arcade scene and everything, but these days I'm sure its just a wiser financial choice to skip the arcades for a mere "Super" upgrade.
 
as I said how it's easy for Valle to make a statement, it's real easy for u guys to be cool with a no arcade release since it doesnt affect any of you and thus u cannot relate the loss.

plain and simple it is a loss, it takes away a huge part of the community, what built the community, and a foundation that keeps the community alive. You say I sound like gaf and srk? No shyt, becoz guess what we've been doing since the game came out in arcade last year?!?!

u guys say evo this evo that but u kno what? Evo is one event, ONE out of a whole year, can the community really be justified with one event?? Sure you can organize console gatherings, but that's like saying the arcade only opens a few times a month instead of 7 days a week.

That's the beauty of arcade at least here in socal, NY, texas, philly, or any other area where an arcade community strives. You can go on srk and post in regionals "BB/SF4/3S tonite! go go go!" and expect some comp on a whim. It's convenient and accessible to people like myself who do not kno many people, who do not have the time to dedicate constant allegiance to a gaming facility, and for a person who just wants to let off stress for a random evening.

and it's accessibility that will hurt local console communities becoz if u dont kno, Blazblue/accent core communities are primarily console based, and as much as I love those games it's hard for me to get real good at them since my available time for social gaming barely provides me the opportunity to get too acquainted with the main players. Even if I can post online in their discussion forums, real life responsibilities get in the way of truly leveling up to the point of gaining online respect, and the last thing I wanna do in roll to someone's house feeling uninvited. An open arcade community would break down this barrier, but again as BB/AC have their communities in each others houses we dont even see regular tournies for these games outside evo and wcw, whereas in the past 3 weeks I can count four local SF4 tournaments that occured in los angeles area off the top of my head

if the community became truly console based, cliques are gonna form. One group of friends here, another there, an online group here. It'll be segregated, and we can only hope for events that'll bring these groups together and do it often. But as is the example of the GG/BB community, itll be hard. Even Tekken in console based, and during DR ranbats few years ago I could overhear ppl talking shyt on SD players.

as far as SF is concerned, we currently have a very healthy balance of arcade and console community as many venues have been gracious enough to host tournaments for us. That's the key, we can have both. But if you take one away it's going to hurt no matter what.

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anyway, large rant aside, http://www.iplaywinner.com/news/2009/10/1/super-street-fighter-4-to-hit-arcades-after-all.html
 
[quote name='JEKKI']as I said how it's easy for Valle to make a statement, it's real easy for u guys to be cool with a no arcade release since it doesnt affect any of you and thus u cannot relate the loss.
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Hope that's not shot my way.

Even before SFIV dropped, my crew and I drove almost every weekend almost 2 hours to MGL/SVGL.

Why did we do that when we had an arcade 30 minutes away (10 for them) that had all the games we played at MGL/SVGL. The competition was better, the environment was hype, the players were friendly and it was worth it to burn gas (CA prices) and money to get this experience.

When I heard SFIV was in the Bay Area at SJSU, I made the 2 hour drive there every other weekend to play. Again burning gas, parking costs on SJSU campus and sacrificing many hours of sleep with work the next day.

I do see the lack of an arcade release as a loss for community as we want to keep it tight-knit and not completely exclusive (sort of like the Smash community *ducks*) but part of me feels like there is nothing I can do and Capcom could care less.

Console tourneys and gatherings are also really hard to get together because people have lives. People live with their mates, girlfriends, boyfriends, parents, etc etc. We can't always rely on getting so many unknowns (and friends) at said gathering all the time. At least with an arcade I know it's always there and open from X to X. I think both Console and Arcade have benefits, we just need to figure out as a community how to integrate both.
 
I don't think any of us "who can't relate" are saying no arcade isn't a loss, it's just that a real community would still stick together and make something happen. Someone so passionate about the arcade scene would find a way to bring in consoles or whatever it took to keep that going and not rely on Capcom or any big business to do that for them. I can't imagine an arcade owner would not want to host an SSFIV console night to drum up business or retain the business they get.

Unfortunately, arcades are no where near as mainstream as they once were and I don't see that trend changing any time soon.
 
Yeah it's not that I can't respect the sense of loss per se... just that I could see why a company might decide to skip an arcade release in the gaming/economic climate of 2009. Believe me, I long for the days when I could walk to the video store for some Hyper Fighting, then run across the street to the card shop and fuck around in the Rainbow Edition they had over there. :oldman:
 
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i like arcades because you don't have to set anything up. you just show up. that is true.

however, arcade machines are growing more and more costly and in america, they've never adjusted for inflation. 25 cent pacman was worth way more than 25 cent street fighter. therefore, you show up to the arcade, you get in one turn every 10 minutes because there's only one machine, that ain't fun.

that means, the best way to get better is in fact, to go to console gatherings. you can get lots of people playing all at once.

but i hate going to people's houses. it's not fun and kinda shady. it's like if i wanted to go play basketball i had to call everyone up and meet on someone's court at home instead of playing pickup at the park.

the only, only way i can see that happening is if people somehow were able to adopt gaming consoles into arcades along with a good income model.

i know it's feasible.

i just don't wanna do it.
 
For the record, Smash tournaments happen very frequently every month. If they can do it, why not the SF community? You never see them complaining about a "lack of competition" because their game is on a console.

I've mentioned that not getting an arcade release isn't a big deal, and I stand by that. But the thing that confuses me is that if people have the time to go to the arcade, how do they not have time to play each other on a console instead? Seems a bit odd to me. The argument that "I don't have a console" is a bit tired at this point, especially since a 360/PS3 and a copy of SFIV are relatively cheap now.

If this was happening say, 6-7 years ago, I could understand people talking about how it's hard to find people to play with online. But c'mon now, people. Everybody is connected nowadays, so how is it tough to find good competition?
 
Oh, and for the record, in the latest Smash Brothers Super Street Fighter 4 site update, they have mentioned that they are "not against bringing out an arcade version entirely."

Lousy PS3 and it's text limit.
 
[quote name='Mr. Beef']But the thing that confuses me is that if people have the time to go to the arcade, how do they not have time to play each other on a console instead? Seems a bit odd to me. [/QUOTE]
like jekki said ,

console has to be a planned thing. arcade you can show up and usually people will be there.

also
do you like going to random people's houses?
'cause i really don't.
 
Arcade things are still planned, it's just more random than home... actually it's even, since home has online and it's just as random, just less consistent competition and more randomness.

I say it all boils down to what ur more accustomed to. Either way is fine for me. Both work. None's better or worse.
 
It IS a huge loss if there is no arcade release. Why wouldnt they do that? Makes no sense. And yah, just like no one considers soul calibur or smash a serious fighting game, the same would happen to SSF4. That doesnt mean its not going to rock, it just wont be taken seriously since its console only. I still want it badly so i can show noobs online the fury of a pink t.hawk, but i agree with the people saying it needs a arcade release.
 
Rolento comparing SF to HOME?

Street Fighter not being taken "seriously" because of a lack of an arcade release?

Has the world gone bonkers? Where's my DeLorean!?
 
[quote name='MarkMan']wtf... you guys are weird.[/QUOTE]

Agreed. :D

The last SF I played at the arcade was SFIII New Generation. Yeah, arcades suck here, what's left of them. :cry: And I had some sweet ass matches on that one SFIII machine. . .I also miss arcades because dudes are less likely to ragequit or be a total jackass if you're rubbing elbows with them. That's pretty much why I usually just play people I know.

I miss arcades.
 
[quote name='kainzero']Oh man, but when they rage quit it's awesome
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Agreed. :D The last game I got to see that in person was Soul Calibur II, because I kept ringing this dude out with Astaroth.
 
[quote name='JEKKI']as I said how it's easy for Valle to make a statement, it's real easy for u guys to be cool with a no arcade release since it doesnt affect any of you and thus u cannot relate the loss.

plain and simple it is a loss, it takes away a huge part of the community, what built the community, and a foundation that keeps the community alive. You say I sound like gaf and srk? No shyt, becoz guess what we've been doing since the game came out in arcade last year?!?!

u guys say evo this evo that but u kno what? Evo is one event, ONE out of a whole year, can the community really be justified with one event?? Sure you can organize console gatherings, but that's like saying the arcade only opens a few times a month instead of 7 days a week.

That's the beauty of arcade at least here in socal, NY, texas, philly, or any other area where an arcade community strives. You can go on srk and post in regionals "BB/SF4/3S tonite! go go go!" and expect some comp on a whim. It's convenient and accessible to people like myself who do not kno many people, who do not have the time to dedicate constant allegiance to a gaming facility, and for a person who just wants to let off stress for a random evening.

and it's accessibility that will hurt local console communities becoz if u dont kno, Blazblue/accent core communities are primarily console based, and as much as I love those games it's hard for me to get real good at them since my available time for social gaming barely provides me the opportunity to get too acquainted with the main players. Even if I can post online in their discussion forums, real life responsibilities get in the way of truly leveling up to the point of gaining online respect, and the last thing I wanna do in roll to someone's house feeling uninvited. An open arcade community would break down this barrier, but again as BB/AC have their communities in each others houses we dont even see regular tournies for these games outside evo and wcw, whereas in the past 3 weeks I can count four local SF4 tournaments that occured in los angeles area off the top of my head

if the community became truly console based, cliques are gonna form. One group of friends here, another there, an online group here. It'll be segregated, and we can only hope for events that'll bring these groups together and do it often. But as is the example of the GG/BB community, itll be hard. Even Tekken in console based, and during DR ranbats few years ago I could overhear ppl talking shyt on SD players.

as far as SF is concerned, we currently have a very healthy balance of arcade and console community as many venues have been gracious enough to host tournaments for us. That's the key, we can have both. But if you take one away it's going to hurt no matter what.

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anyway, large rant aside, http://www.iplaywinner.com/news/2009/10/1/super-street-fighter-4-to-hit-arcades-after-all.html[/QUOTE]

Well GG more a console based community because of how many versions come out. It is not even possible for an arcade to try to keep up with that, they will loose money. BB at least here isn't getting the love in arcades to keep it a main arcade game, hell there is only one cab in china town. No one wants to play a single game once evey ten min. Though BB1.5 is getting a arcade release so maybe it will pick up.

I am not saying you or anyone else should go to a random persons house to play, fuck that. I wouldn't do it and wouldn't expect anyone else to. Though events are held here at least ( more during the summer ) where people rent out halls at hotels and the turn out is pretty damn good. There is a more widespread names here of people who just put together these events than what people know of just the youtube warriors, evo champs.

Socal has the numbers and more names than any other place in the states. I don't understand why more events like Bar Fights couldn't take place. Is it the same as arcades, hell no. But it keeps live action going.

Will it suck if it doesn't come out on arcade sure, but I think it will affect Socal more than any other place here. Smaller events happen here enough, and maybe I am not worried about to much because I am that GG/BB player and have just gotten use to it being this way.

Real life can get in the way of arcades as well. Those groups you mentioned are not always a bad thing, it keeps out the normal casuals you have to play before someone real comes along that you could learn from, but then again this mindset is what the GG people get bashed on for the most.


Imo, I think it will affect Socal the most, because 90% of your scene is based in the arcades, but from that you guys have a huge community to pull from, with the names to put events together to keep shit going all the same. Might have to adapt some to how it changes but I think you guys will be just fine.
 
[quote name='Mr. Beef']Rolento comparing SF to HOME?[/QUOTE]

But it IS like HOME.

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See? SF is all about dressing up all pretty like.







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haha BL that pic is awesome, Triforce is such a tool.... he's a scrub at every game except MK2 SNES too, so "home to the world's greatest gamers" is trippin'

i agree with Jekki about lack of SSF4 arcade release really sucking, but then again i'm one of the only non-californians in this thread that has played SF4 in the arcade so i might have a biased opinion. from what i've been hearing though, University Pinball burned down anyway :*(

apparently it is being rebuilt though and will have some new shit when they get back. haven't been there to see it for myself.
 
[quote name='RelentlessRolento']if it's on the Wii or iPhone, it's casual.[/QUOTE]

If it's on the Wii or iPhone, it usually sucks. Only exception I can think of is TvC, which is actually fun.
 
Hey, how about this angle: Couldn't it also be said that the current version of SFIV never got an arcade release? With all the console-exclusive characters, it's kind of like the version of SFIV we play on 360, PS3, and PC really has no arcade counterpart.
 
Moving sucks. I have no computer now so I can't get on irc because my phone sucks. Might have to part with my te to get a laptop and avoid failing my classes because I have papers due next weeks already.
 
[quote name='RelentlessRolento']If you can drink coffee while playing it I think it qualifies as casual.[/QUOTE]


Have you ever played the game or are you basing your opinion off of something you have read?
 
[quote name='LostRoad']Have you ever played the game or are you basing your opinion off of something you have read?[/QUOTE]

Neither. Nor do I back my theory up, but I have ha coffee many times.
 
[quote name='RelentlessRolento']If you can drink coffee while playing it I think it qualifies as casual.[/QUOTE]
I drink coffee while playing SFIV and BlazBlue, so they must be casual. . . :whistle2:k

[quote name='MarkMan']I think most of the people in this thread are casual.[/QUOTE]

I'm casual i.e. I've played a ton of fighters, but I'm laid back, I don't go out looking for competition too hard, etc. I'm more of a huge fan of them than hardcore into them. I'm not going to be analyzing frame data anytime soon, for example, though I might gleam strategies and combos off of videos. I really need to move to an area with local competition.

In the end, who cares if you are hardcore or casual, if it's for arcade or home, or whatever? Just play. Keep the
 
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