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[quote name='Rei no Otaku']I can't be the only one who likes P3 more than P4.[/QUOTE]

I am split. Persona 4 seems to have a more detailed plot and a lot of its gameplay elements are better such as the abilty to warp around and control all your characters in battle. However I found myself liking Persona 3's cast more and the story more since all of it didnt feel so goofy. It feels like P4 has to constantly crack stupid jokes and make the kids out to be kids playing detective vs high schoolers really trying to accomplish a serious task. Junpei was my fav character exactly because he was goofy.....but even he didnt creep around acting like a dumb ass when things got serious. I am all for goofiness....just don't make it constant.

I like both games....I am just kind of torn because P4 is clearly the better game....but I find myself liking many parts of P3 better. Still early in the game though.
 
I definitely like the gameplay in P4 more than P3. The dungeons and setting is better too.

I think Persona 4 drew me in more because its story was more interesting, but after awhile it really doesn't go anywhere tho. The "mystery" just keeps dragging on and lacks many of the twists and turns of P3, mainly because you really never have a clear enemy like Strega. There's a lot of drama in P4 to be sure, but nowhere near as much as was in P3. There are no moments in P4 that contend with P3 like the whole Junpei/Chidori romance and especailly
Shinji's ultimate sacrifice
.

I do like the majority of characters in P4 better tho. That being said, its also hard for me to pick a favorite of the two. But I would have the nod to P4 if I had to choose one, simply because of the gameplay improvements.



Anyway, as for RPGs in genaral, I've loved the genre since I played Final Fantasy 1 back in the NES days of old. My intrest really ramped up in the 16-bit era, where RPGs were over 75% of my gaming collection. However, when the PSX-era began, I almost completly lost intrest in the genre, mainly because of real-life. I think during this era, the only RPGs that I played were the Final Fantasy series, and even those seemed to take me forever to get thru.

Later, I got married and simply didn't have much time to devote to hardly any games. I skipped out on almost all of last gen and really only got back into the genre about 3 years ago after I got divorced. Since then, I've been trying to get caught up. I started with several of the PS1 RPGs (replayed the FF series, plus Chrono Cross, BoF, and the Lunar games) then I've played all the Gamecube RPGs (yes, all 12 of them) and I'm now working my way thru the PS2 games while I try to keep up with the RPGs of the current HD-gen.
 
[quote name='Rodimus']I always thought P3's characters were too serious. Junpei was the only one to lighten up the mood, while everyone else was too busy acting like 40 year olds..[/QUOTE]
That's the main reason I prefer P3. P4 just seems way too goofy at times. I liked the more serious and darker nature of P3.

[quote name='MSI Magus']I am split. Persona 4 seems to have a more detailed plot and a lot of its gameplay elements are better such as the abilty to warp around and control all your characters in battle. However I found myself liking Persona 3's cast more and the story more since all of it didnt feel so goofy. It feels like P4 has to constantly crack stupid jokes and make the kids out to be kids playing detective vs high schoolers really trying to accomplish a serious task. Junpei was my fav character exactly because he was goofy.....but even he didnt creep around acting like a dumb ass when things got serious. I am all for goofiness....just don't make it constant.

I like both games....I am just kind of torn because P4 is clearly the better game....but I find myself liking many parts of P3 better. Still early in the game though.[/QUOTE]
Pretty much exactly how I feel.
 
definitely like P4 more than P3

party control is big. i don't trust the ai for anything in a game where you can die in 2-3 hits. and it doesn't lead to mitsuru from casting tentarafoo on bosses and yukari casting diarama instead of mediarama.

storywise P3 fell into so many anime cliches and uses a lot of the horrid typical japanese story-telling style of dropping strange stuff at you and then explaining it later (pharos, as an example). also by design, P3 feels more reactive (wait for full moon) than proactive (pursue the villain in the TV).
 
[quote name='Rei no Otaku']Serious>Comedic.

Japanese comedy always falls flat on its face.[/quote]

Have you ever tried to experience any piece of media the Japanese try and make Serious.
It becomes so pretentious of itself that it makes me want to kick kittens.

P3 story was just blah, i never cared for it in the 40+ hours I put into FES. I could not stand that story would only happen at the full moons.
 
So what would everyone like to see in Persona 5? I'm sure it is just an eventuality, but I do hope they give the series a rest for a couple years.

Some things I'd like to see going forward:

-While the Japanese setting has worked really well and I have enjoyed it, I think it would be neat to have a North American setting. And it doesn't really have to be the US, since Canada would be just as interesting. But a change of setting could lend itself to different gameplay elements and would move the series forward. I kinda feel that if P5 is another Japanese town, it'll be alot of the same.

-DLC. The whole FES content from P3 is one example of how to build upon the series, and by offering additional content via DLC would be cheaper than releasing a retail update. This way people wouldn't be worried like they were when P4 came out about having to rebuy the game like they did with P3 FES.

-Add more stuff to do with more opportunities to do it. Instead of locking us into doing just a couple things to do with only one opportunity in the day to do them in, give us a broader schedule with more things. I think it would be great to go from a "Morning, Afterooon, Evening" schedule to a more traditional clock schedule or something. Yes, it may lead to more micro-management of time and become a little more complicated, but if its done right where you don't feel so pressured for time like you are in P3-4, it could be successful.

These are just a few ideas I would suggest. Most importantly tho, I think, is setting. As much as I love the Japanese setting that has worked so well for P3 and 4, I think they've done just about everything they could with it without it becoming just more of the same.
 
I never got to play Mass Effect, I can't seem to get pass the lobby, before I get stuck, and the game freezes. It's not my system as it's brand new, as well as the game. Bad programmer bad!
 
actually i find that the seriousness of p4 is on par with p3.

i liked yosuke's s.link, which is the only one i've finished
yosuke, kanji, and chie/yukiko had pretty good backstory. rise's was a bit confusing.

the comedy is similar in p3 and p4, never felt like one was goofier than the other

i'm sure if you made the interface of p4 to use less yellow and more of a darker tone you'd think it'd be just as dark as p3.
 
[quote name='Riyonuk']I never got to play Mass Effect, I can't seem to get pass the lobby, before I get stuck, and the game freezes. It's not my system as it's brand new, as well as the game. Bad programmer bad![/QUOTE]

Were you playing with NXE? I have seen a few people complain of this with GTA IV and another game that I cant recall. In both places it was a problem with NXE and if you install the game to your HDD it stops the problem.
 
[quote name='MSI Magus']Were you playing with NXE? I have seen a few people complain of this with GTA IV and another game that I cant recall. In both places it was a problem with NXE and if you install the game to your HDD it stops the problem.[/quote]

Well that just helped me with my decision. I still have a 20gb so I'm not installing anything yet. I'll just go with Lost Odyssey and save Mass Effect for when I get a bigger HDD.
 
[quote name='kainzero']

i'm sure if you made the interface of p4 to use less yellow and more of a darker tone you'd think it'd be just as dark as p3.[/QUOTE]
Nope.
 
Regardless, the fact that something that would be better then P3 (for those that think P4 is better) and the fact that it can be heavily debated says something about the Persona series. Seriously a lot better then the shit Square-Enix has been putting out lately.
 
[quote name='Krymner']So what would everyone like to see in Persona 5? I'm sure it is just an eventuality, but I do hope they give the series a rest for a couple years.

Some things I'd like to see going forward:

-While the Japanese setting has worked really well and I have enjoyed it, I think it would be neat to have a North American setting. And it doesn't really have to be the US, since Canada would be just as interesting. But a change of setting could lend itself to different gameplay elements and would move the series forward. I kinda feel that if P5 is another Japanese town, it'll be alot of the same.

-DLC. The whole FES content from P3 is one example of how to build upon the series, and by offering additional content via DLC would be cheaper than releasing a retail update. This way people wouldn't be worried like they were when P4 came out about having to rebuy the game like they did with P3 FES.

-Add more stuff to do with more opportunities to do it. Instead of locking us into doing just a couple things to do with only one opportunity in the day to do them in, give us a broader schedule with more things. I think it would be great to go from a "Morning, Afterooon, Evening" schedule to a more traditional clock schedule or something. Yes, it may lead to more micro-management of time and become a little more complicated, but if its done right where you don't feel so pressured for time like you are in P3-4, it could be successful.

These are just a few ideas I would suggest. Most importantly tho, I think, is setting. As much as I love the Japanese setting that has worked so well for P3 and 4, I think they've done just about everything they could with it without it becoming just more of the same.[/QUOTE]

My main thing is a more serious and less goofy plot with a little more depth to it. Having much better character A.I would be great that way you could choose to let characters think for themselves since they would actually attack an enemies weak spot if it had already been determined. I would like a less structured time scale.....I often feel rushed to get my S.Links done or raise my stats....would preffer a more layed back approach. I also would like S.Links to actually fit the card that reprsents them....for instance why in the bloody hell is the fox hermit?
 
AI is lame, you only play half of Persona 3 and 4 anyway.

I agree about more freedom with time, however I think the dating/social link system is tired now and should be abandoned for P5.
 
[quote name='willardhaven']AI is lame, you only play half of Persona 3 and 4 anyway.

I agree about more freedom with time, however I think the dating/social link system is tired now and should be abandoned for P5.[/QUOTE]

See and I definitely dont want to see it done away with.
 
[quote name='Jest']Grah I hate when RPGs throw two bosses in a row at you.[/quote]

That's RPG Making 101 though. The other thing is when the boss morphes one or two times and you have to keep fighting.
 
Well fuck, I chose the wrong conversation option on one of the quests in The Last Remnant and now I fucked myself out of a quest and the 200g achievement. Goddammit.

I also need to get back to Persona 3 sometime... =X
 
[quote name='willardhaven']AI is lame, you only play half of Persona 3 and 4 anyway.

I agree about more freedom with time, however I think the dating/social link system is tired now and should be abandoned for P5.[/quote]
I'm with MSI Magus, they should keep the SLinks around. Of course I'd like to see them do a little more with them.
 
[quote name='Chibi_Kaji']I'm with MSI Magus, they should keep the SLinks around. Of course I'd like to see them do a little more with them.[/QUOTE]

Ya I am with you, if anything I want to see more done with them. See them play a little bigger of a role, especially with the main story. Kind of a everything is tied together in some way kind of thing. As for when we see the next Persona I wouldn't mind seeing one next year again already!
 
I think Persona 3 and 4 without s.links would be pretty mediocre games. The s.link system gives it that uniqueness that it needs, without it Persona games would just be a run-of-the-mill RPG. That's just my opinion though.

I just started Disgaea 3. I'm not sure what I think about this new system for learning skills. At first I really liked it, but now I realize that I actually have to have my healers and stuff kill enemies to get mana so they can learn better skills which sucks. Another bad thing about it is you have to boost your magic skills in order for it to get a better range it seems. I'm glad story character skills and most monster skills are still obtained through level up though.

I really like the magichange system though. I wish it lasted a little longer though.
 
The S-Link system is so well incorperated with other asspects of gamplay such as battle, esspecially in P4. I like the perks it gives your teammates.
 
[quote name='Rodimus']The S-Link system is so well incorperated with other asspects of gamplay such as battle, esspecially in P4. I like the perks it gives your teammates.[/QUOTE]

Agreed again if anything this is why I would like more S.Links or more depth to them. Not just as I said tying into the story but also make them effect combat slightly more(such as let it let your charcters add skills or skill slots to their persona).
 
Any of you guys been to the official FFXIII website? The music is gorgeous. I'm pretty sure Square Enix has enough stellar composers to last to Final Fantasy XX. I really think letting Uematsu (as fantastic as he is) move on from the series was a great decision. He really needed a break from the series.
 
[quote name='DQT']Any of you guys been to the official FFXIII website? The music is gorgeous. I'm pretty sure Square Enix has enough stellar composers to last to Final Fantasy XX. I really think letting Uematsu (as fantastic as he is) move on from the series was a great decision. He really needed a break from the series.[/QUOTE]
Most people know I'm no fan of Uematsu, but ever since he left that series his music has finally started to improve.
 
[quote name='willardhaven']I like S.Links, I just would prefer they try something new for their next game.

I want to see SMT 4 before any more Persona though.[/QUOTE]

See and I would preffer to see many more Persona's to ANY SMT since that series had no story and the difficulty was brutal. It was like taking old school DQ or FF games and then ramping it up. You put a plot in place just to hold the game play together then try and torture the player.
 
i'm approaching november in p4. man this game seems short for some reason, even though i'm 40 hours in... as in, plotwise it feels short? if that makes sense. my death count has been relatively low, either 2 or 3.

maybe it's me but i have like 4-5 fire personas, and they're all different arcana. unbalanced?
 
[quote name='Rei no Otaku']Most people know I'm no fan of Uematsu, but ever since he left that series his music has finally started to improve.[/quote]

Thats because its no Uematsu. Its Hamazu.
 
[quote name='FloodsAreUponUS']Thats because its no Uematsu. Its Hamazu. [/QUOTE]
I don't get what you mean. Yes, Hamazu is better than Uematsu. He's better by a lot...
 
[quote name='Rei no Otaku']I don't get what you mean. Yes, Hamazu is better than Uematsu. He's better by a lot...[/quote]

I meant its Hamazu not Uematsu.
Typo.

But hes not better then Uematsu.
 
The last FF soundtrack I loved was FFXI. I've always enjoyed Uematsu's music but I don't go out and buy soundstracks like I used to.
 
the only ffxi track i remember was rolanberry, which was awesome. but other than that i pretty much replaced all the music in the game when i played it.
 
[quote name='FloodsAreUponUS']I meant its Hamazu not Uematsu.
Typo.

But hes not better then Uematsu.[/QUOTE]
Yeah he is. In fact he's leagues above Uematsu.
 
[quote name='Rei no Otaku']Yeah he is. In fact he's leagues above Uematsu.[/quote]

In fact hes not.

We arent gonna get anywhere with this argument. I mean you love that shit that makes me wanna punch babies and have angry sex with giraffes.
I mean J-Pop.
 
So how long is Suikoden 1? I was contemplating nabbing it on PSN, but I never played any of the series before, so I don't know what I'm getting into.
 
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