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What? I think it worked pretty well. I only used it at times when I reallllly needed it (like makeout parties and such).
 
Pass on Dungeon Siege 3. Since Demon's Souls, I need my dungeon crawling games to actually awesome and impossibly difficult.
 
[quote name='CaptainJoel']What? I think it worked pretty well. I only used it at times when I reallllly needed it (like makeout parties and such).[/QUOTE]

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[quote name='hankmecrankme']Anyway, Imma go eat pizza and watch Supermang on Blu with some friends.

Quality night.[/QUOTE]

Superman 4?
 
Where the fuck do you get those gifs icebeez??

Forget it, I don't want to know.

Dungeon Siege demo...I got just past the "tutorial" part, but I by then I was too sleepy to continue.
 
[quote name='icebeast']Obsidian, guaranteed buggy, will not get until cheap (if then).[/QUOTE]

But Obsidian made Alpha Protocol which was GOTY!
 
Sometimes I forget about real gamers. This new guy at work is the most stereotypical CoD/Halo/Gears bro I've ever seen.

And he was actually a legitimate xbox fanboy, I thought those only existed on the internet. This is what set him off:

Me - "yeah I only have a PS3 at school" =[
Him - "yeah I pay for XBL because it doesn't get hacked"
Me -

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[quote name='panzerfaust']Sometimes I forget about real gamers. This new guy at work is the most stereotypical CoD/Halo/Gears bro I've ever seen.

And he was actually a legitimate xbox fanboy, I thought those only existed on the internet. This is what set him off:

Me - "yeah I only have a PS3 at school" =[
Him - "yeah I pay for XBL because it doesn't get hacked"
Me -

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I've met plenty in my time at college, but only one PS3 fan.
A girl who loved fighters.
 
ME3 rumored to be adding MP...

I wish I did not enjoy Mass Effect 1 as much as I did... watching this series "evolve" is like watching a family member get slowly mauled by a pack of wolves.
 
[quote name='distgfx']I've met plenty in my time at college, but only one PS3 fan.
A girl who loved fighters.
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Where I come from everyone's a big PS3/Wii fan and the 360 fans are few and far between. The biggest 360 fan I've ever met was purple hair girl. Total bro chick, big on MW, Halo, Gears, and just about anything else involving guns and dudebros.

Also, did you hit it?
 
[quote name='DarkNessBear']ME3 rumored to be adding MP...

I wish I did not enjoy Mass Effect 1 as much as I did... watching this series "evolve" is like watching a family member get slowly mauled by a pack of wolves.[/QUOTE]

I wish I enjoyed ME1 more than I did so I could see why everyone loves it. I thought it was pretty meh. I played ME2 right after and thought it was a huge improvement.
 
[quote name='whoknows']I wish I enjoyed ME1 more than I did so I could see why everyone loves it. I thought it was pretty meh. I played ME2 right after and thought it was a huge improvement.[/QUOTE]

ME2 is the better game, but it's a different game. That's all the fans of the original are trying to say.
 
[quote name='distgfx']I've met plenty in my time at college, but only one PS3 fan.
A girl who loved fighters.
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Did you ask her out? You could play SSF4 together.
 
[quote name='panzerfaust']ME2 is the better game, but it's a different game. That's all the fans of the original are trying to say.[/QUOTE]

I don't see the problem if it was better. Didn't feel different to me in any bad way.

That's fans for you though.
 
[quote name='whoknows']I wish I enjoyed ME1 more than I did so I could see why everyone loves it. I thought it was pretty meh. I played ME2 right after and thought it was a huge improvement.[/QUOTE]

Yea, I wish I felt the same way. But put it this way, you'll love ME3!

I think it'll be a great shooter experience, but not really what I want from the Mass Effect series. Oh well - I'm still going to be buying it, EA 3 Myself 0.
 
[quote name='panzerfaust']ME2 is the better game, but it's a different game. That's all the fans of the original are trying to say.[/QUOTE]

ME2 is a better Shooter than ME1. But by no means does that mean ME2 is better than ME1.

ME1 was great, DA:O was great, and KotoR was amazing. Their sequels were nothing worth noting about (yes I know KotoR was not bioware). Bioware caught the EA bug, that's the problem.
 
I'll just play the game for what it is rather than what it isn't. I can understand fans of the original being disappointed that the series has less RPG elements, but at this point, they shouldn't be surprised. If you don't go into it expecting/wishing for an RPG, then you'll probably enjoy it a lot more.
 
I liked ME1 more than 2 but I'd say it's only an okay game. It had a great atmosphere to it and an interesting story with awesome lore, everything else about it was fairly primitive (combat, inventory management, skill leveling, vehicle segments, side quests, dialogue options, etc...).

ME2 introduced a much improved combat system, hugely more cinematic dialouge sequences, and dropped most RPG elements. It didn't improve an inventory system, it just took it out. And skill leveling was basically as RPG like as it is in a God of War game.

So I guess ME1 is a decent RPG, and ME2 is a pretty good shooter. They are so different it's hard to compare.
 
[quote name='ihadFG']I'll just play the game for what it is rather than what it isn't. I can understand fans of the original being disappointed that the series has less RPG elements, but at this point, they shouldn't be surprised. If you don't go into it expecting/wishing for an RPG, then you'll probably enjoy it a lot more.[/QUOTE]

That is basically what happened to Star Wars. Which is why I refuse to believe Episode 1-3 exists. It shits on the original, and that is what ME2 and DA2 have done to their respective franchise.

Sure it brings in a new audience, but in the process they fuck it up for the fans that enjoyed the game the first time around. This is what the game industry is now about. Take what works for fans and then refine it to make it work for masses.
 
If Microsoft let Bioware have a good six months to polish and finish ME1, it could've been a great game. As it stands, it's merely a good game with a lot of issues.
 
[quote name='FriskyTanuki']If Microsoft let Bioware have a good six months to polish and finish ME1, it could've been a great game. As it stands, it's merely a good game with a lot of issues.[/QUOTE]

Which is what sequels are for. Uncharted 2 being the perfect example. Takes everything that worked, improved on it and removed everything that didn't work.

Dat CoD market is just making so much damn money to ignore.
 
[quote name='j-cart']That is basically what happened to Star Wars. Which is why I refuse to believe Episode 1-3 exists. It shits on the original, and that is what ME2 and DA2 have done to their respective franchise.

Sure it brings in a new audience, but in the process they fuck it up for the fans that enjoyed the game the first time around. This is what the game industry is now about. Take what works for fans and then refine it to make it work for masses.[/QUOTE]

DA2 I can agree with, but not ME2. They improved most things in it and it actually felt like a finished game. ME1 now isn't impressive in any way. I guarantee if it came out today and didn't have any of the hype factors behind it (Exclusivity, the Bioware name) it would be getting review scores in the 6 range. It really isn't a great game. It was just introduced a few new things back when it came out and had tons of hype behind it.
 
[quote name='j-cart']That is basically what happened to Star Wars. Which is why I refuse to believe Episode 1-3 exists. It shits on the original, and that is what ME2 and DA2 have done to their respective franchise.

Sure it brings in a new audience, but in the process they fuck it up for the fans that enjoyed the game the first time around. This is what the game industry is now about. Take what works for fans and then refine it to make it work for masses.[/QUOTE]

The difference there though is that the Star Wars prequels are terrible, whereas ME2 is actually a great game. I personally think it is a lot better than the first. And I really didn't feel like it "shits on the original." They changed a few things sure, but it still seemed like a Mass Effect game to me. I really don't think they were forsaking the fans in favor of mass appeal.
 
[quote name='j-cart']Which is what sequels are for. Uncharted 2 being the perfect example. Takes everything that worked, improved on it and removed everything that didn't work.

Dat CoD market is just making so much damn money to ignore.[/QUOTE]
Not when the biggest selling point is the ability to carry the decisions you made in the first game to the sequels. They want everybody to play through the series in order, which is why ME2 was made without anything to give new people a summary of what happened in the first game so they would be caught up. It wasn't until there wasn't that option for PS3 version of ME2 that they catered to those that are new to the series.
 
[quote name='FriskyTanuki']If Microsoft let Bioware have a good six months to polish and finish ME1, it could've been a great game. As it stands, it's merely a good game with a lot of issues.[/QUOTE]
I wish I could play the first one w/o having to purchase a 360 for it.
[quote name='j-cart']Which is what sequels are for. Uncharted 2 being the perfect example. Takes everything that worked, improved on it and removed everything that didn't work.

Dat CoD market is just making so much damn money to ignore.[/QUOTE]
Even though I have Black Ops, I sort of hate CoD and will not be buying MW3. I got Black Ops as a gift.
 
[quote name='whoknows'] ME1 now isn't impressive in any way. I guarantee if it came out today and didn't have any of the hype factors behind it (Exclusivity, the Bioware name) it would be getting review scores in the 6 range. It really isn't a great game. It was just introduced a few new things back when it came out and had tons of hype behind it.[/QUOTE]

You can't say stuff like that. If Gone With the Wind came out today it wouldn't as well perceived as it is now. The reason why it is recognized is because of how it changed cinema and influenced the way emotions are now portrayed in modern films.

[quote name='ihadFG']The difference there though is that the Star Wars prequels are terrible, whereas ME2 is actually a great game. I personally think it is a lot better than the first. And I really didn't feel like it "shits on the original." They changed a few things sure, but it still seemed like a Mass Effect game to me. I really don't think they were forsaking the fans in favor of mass appeal.[/QUOTE]

Yes, ME2 is a much better shooter than ME1, but what about those that didn't play a shooter class in ME1? Where does that leave us? ME2 removed the armor restrictions and made the game into a shooter. My Shep in ME1 was a straight up Biotic G, Darth Vader would have been jealous of his force powers. Then comes ME2 and it changes that aspect, makes me play a 3rd person shooter that is "better" than ME1, but mediocre in terms of being 3rd Person Shooter. Instead of fixing things, they just straight up removed it. ME2 it is playable, but by no means as good as it was perceived.

Then again I am the kind of person that gave up on Red Dead Redemption (despite my total hype for it) because it was just boring for me. So maybe I don't know anything.
 
[quote name='j-cart']You can't say stuff like that. If Gone With the Wind came out today it wouldn't as well perceived as it is now. The reason why it is recognized is because of how it changed cinema and influenced the way emotions are now portrayed in modern films. [/QUOTE]

ME1 isn't nearly as old though. It was what, end of 2006? I think it's a fair thing to say. I don't think ME is nearly as influencial though. Aside from games borrowing/stealing the conversation system, what else is there?
 
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Yes, ME2 is a much better shooter than ME1, but what about those that didn't play a shooter class in ME1? Where does that leave us? ME2 removed the armor restrictions and made the game into a shooter. My Shep in ME1 was a straight up Biotic G, Darth Vader would have been jealous of his force powers. Then comes ME2 and it changes that aspect, makes me play a 3rd person shooter that is "better" than ME1, but mediocre in terms of being 3rd Person Shooter. Instead of fixing things, they just straight up removed it. ME2 it is playable, but by no means as good as it was perceived.

Then again I am the kind of person that gave up on Red Dead Redemption (despite my total hype for it) because it was just boring for me. So maybe I don't know anything.[/QUOTE]

I dunno, I played ME2 as an infiltrator, and it still felt like more than just a shooter. I didn't feel like they ruined the biotics. And much like the first, the appeal for me didn't lie in the combat. I enjoyed the characters, questing, and dialogue, which to me is what makes a good RPG. I was glad they took out the crappy inventory management from the first. The improved combat was just a plus for me. My main complaint was the final boss, but I thought the game deserved the praise it got. As a fan of Mass Effect 1, I thought ME2 fixed a lot of my problems with the original.

As for RDR, I agree. I found it kind of boring as well, even though I typically love Westerns.
 
Mass Effect was very overrated for its time, it enjoyed one of the biggest hype trains this generation, along with MGS4, Assassin's Creed, and Resident Evil 5.

While it was a mediocre game in many respects, it delivered some good old bioware aspects that fans enjoyed -- lore, atmosphere, story, and as j-cart mentioned, class distinction (though I wouldn't say it was great then either..)

Mass Effect 2 rolls around and it's a very different game, much improved in what it sets out to compared to its predecessor, but it sets out to do different things. It removes many RPG elements, with the remainder being put on auto-pilot. Narrative story telling is abandoned for badass recruiting missions, lore and atmosphere take a backseat. It's a cinematic action movie, and it's awesome (although still slightly overrated IMO).

Mass Effect 2 is a much better designed game than its predecessor. But it's easy to see how Bioware has been changing their games to reach a larger demographic instead of catering to a more hardcore fanbase.

So I agree with both j-cart and ihadfg, but I think both are exaggerating a bit.
 
[quote name='panzerfaust']While it was a mediocre game in many respects, it delivered some good old bioware aspects that fans enjoyed -- lore, atmosphere, story, and as j-cart mentioned, class distinction (though I wouldn't say it was great then either..)[/QUOTE]

Since when are lore, atmosphere and story something that constitutes a mediocre game? Not to say a game with all of those is automatically an amazing game, but it would certainly make me want to play it even if it isn't the best crafted gameplay wise. In contrast, a game that runs smoothly all around but lacks all of those aspects doesn't make me want to play it.

Bring into the frame that j-cart mentioned it and I'm sold.
 
[quote name='panzerfaust'] Narrative story telling is abandoned for badass recruiting missions, lore and atmosphere take a backseat. It's a cinematic action movie
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You see, this is where I disagree. To me, Mass Effect 1 felt more like an epic action movie, whereas the sequel felt much more personal in its stories. The game focused on getting to know your crew's backgrounds and personalities. It didn't exactly feel like you had to save the universe, and I liked that.

Also, I felt like the second game was more atmospheric as well. The locations felt like they had more history behind them. Also, what do you mean about the lore?
 
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