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[quote name='blueshinra']If it makes you feel any better, I found that to be one of the toughest battles in the game. Good luck with it![/quote]

Not really, no. I even grinded for an hour or two in the huge open field ,and maanged to collect every monster like the guy asks you too. My reward is a chest.

......a locked chest......

.....fucker........

I don't think i'll ever beat him :(
 
[quote name='dmaul1114']Hey, if you have nothing better to do than spend time and money checking out games that you.....

1. Didn't like the demo for.
2. Are getting slammed by your most trusted review sources.

....then that's fine. But I'm busy as fuck, have little time for gaming and a waning interest in gaming as is. So I'm not about to waste any of my precious gaming time buying and playing a game where the demo didn't do much for me and it got shit reviews.

I stick to AAA games in genre's I like. I'll never play 90% of the games that look interesting to me, so best to focus on the cream of the crop and get the most bang out of my gaming time.

The demo and reviews are more than enough to make it clear that Too Human is not an AAA caliber game for me.

I have a life and don't have time to waste giving games second and third chances after not liking the demo much after playing it a couple of times, especially when the game is also getting poor reviews.[/quote]

Not to be mean, but with you being a busy person and all, how do you have time to post 3.89 times a day?

:D
 
[quote name='dmaul1114']Hey, if you have nothing better to do than spend time and money checking out games that you.....

1. Didn't like the demo for.
2. Are getting slammed by your most trusted review sources.

....then that's fine. But I'm busy as fuck, have little time for gaming and a waning interest in gaming as is. So I'm not about to waste any of my precious gaming time buying and playing a game where the demo didn't do much for me and it got shit reviews.

I stick to AAA games in genre's I like. I'll never play 90% of the games that look interesting to me, so best to focus on the cream of the crop and get the most bang out of my gaming time.

The demo and reviews are more than enough to make it clear that Too Human is not an AAA caliber game for me.

I have a life and don't have time to waste giving games second and third chances after not liking the demo much after playing it a couple of times, especially when the game is also getting poor reviews.[/QUOTE]

Great post. It'll be lost on someone who spends his time playing Pokemon games, of all things, though. Too human should fit right in with that level grindy, ADD personality, still lives at home so has too much free time type.

I'm thinking of trading in my PS2 slim at gamestop.. It's been boxed up for a few months, and they're offering something like $60. But i'll probably not do it.
 
[quote name='the_punisher']Not to be mean, but with you being a busy person and all, how do you have time to post 3.89 times a day?

:D[/QUOTE]

Most of my posting (at least 95%) is from work. Can't game here and I have to take my eyes off my data analysis, articles I'm reading etc. every now and then! :D
 
You can't have ADD and be a "level grindy" person at the same time. ADD means you can't stay focused on one thing for any significant period of time. Level grindy means you can spend hours doing repetitive tasks and find it "entertaining".

As someone who has played a lot of MMOs, I would know. :p
 
[quote name='jer7583']Great post. It'll be lost on someone who spends his time playing Pokemon games, of all things, though. Too human should fit right in with that level grindy, ADD personality, still lives at home so has too much free time type.

I'm thinking of trading in my PS2 slim at gamestop.. It's been boxed up for a few months, and they're offering something like $60. But i'll probably not do it.[/quote]

Ah yes, a jab at me because I play pokemon. But what can I expect from someone that speaks as though their opinion is fact and has their head too far up their own ass to see different.

Jer, you're no better than those preppy dicks that instantly think they're better than everyone else because they have $200 to throw away on 2 shirts and a pair of jeans at their local abercrombie and fitch.
 
The only interest I have in Too Human is to watch the crazy review from Zero Punctuation. That's gonna be some funny shit there, I guarantee.
 
haha I didn't think about the ZP review of Too Human.. that is going to be epic.

Pokemon? Shit's for BABIZ.

I'm bored waiting for my girlfriend to come over, so I made a list of what I'd buy the rest of the year if I happened to win the lottery or make like a thousand dollars extra at the casino. lol Bolded are what I'll actually buy at some point, but probably not day of release for all of them.

360-
Galaga Legions
Castle Crashers
Star Wars: The Force Unleashed
Legendary
Project Origin
Dead Space
Far Cry 2 - Depends on reviews
Gears of War 2
Left 4 Dead

PS3-
Ratchet & Clank Future: Quest for Booty
LittleBigPlanet
Resistance 2

Wii
Wario Land: Shake It!

PSP-
N+

DS-
Dragon Quest IV: Chapters of the Chosen
Castlevania: Order of Ecclesia
Chrono Trigger DS

[quote name='SL4IN']Ah yes, a jab at me because I play pokemon. But what can I expect from someone that speaks as though their opinion is fact and has their head too far up their own ass to see different.

Jer, you're no better than those preppy dicks that instantly think they're better than everyone else because they have $200 to throw away on 2 shirts and a pair of jeans at their local abercrombie and fitch.[/QUOTE]

[MEDIA]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9vRzgOig9b4[/MEDIA]
Hey shakespeare wrote a whole buncha sooooonnets lollllllllllllllllll
 
[quote name='guinaevere']*diligently taking notes*

Okay, now what about this thing with some bosses and a ten minute timer thingy?[/quote]

Hm, not sure if I'm understanding the question right, and again, I've never actually done this raid, but with the Gruul fight, it's the final battle in a dungeon with multiple stages of progression. As such, the fight was designed in a way where there's so much constant damage going on that at some point, if you don't kill the boss quickly enough, your raid party will simply run out of mana and the raid as a whole will fail (basically healers w/o mana can't heal so tanks will die, and casters w/o mana are dead meat in a robe).
 
Yeah ADD was the wrong word, there's another word for that.. obsessive-compulsive maybe?
 
Aw, I like Pokemon. Well, at least I like Pokemon Diamond/Pearl. I admit the previous games didn't interest me all that much, but probably because I also assumed that they were just for kids.

I'll probably get Platinum because it seems to add some new interesting features over the current game. I hear the GBA series weren't particularly different from game to game, so in a way I'm glad I waited until the DS-era to pick it up.

I think OC was probably the word you were thinking of, jer.
 
[quote name='SL4IN']How can you say all that with a straight face without even having played the full game? But, all in all, you've completely dismissed the game as a whole so even if it was good, you wouldn't see it. All the reviews are all over the place to begin with. gamespot's 5.5 (which in all honesty, gamespot wouldn't know a good game even if it gave 'em a swift kick in the pants. Low scores from them are cries for attention if I ever saw them) to IGN's 7.8. Metacritic seems think that 1Up's C- equates to a 42, while gamerankings says it's a 60. Last I checked, anything in the C range ranked from 70 to 79, but whatever.

It's hard to determine the game "fails" or is a "success" without anything being consistent as of yet.[/QUOTE]
Are you fucking serious? You're telling me that I shouldn't judge a game based on a 2 hour demo the developer put out just so I could judge whether I want the game or not?

You're acting like there was slowdown, texture pop-in, the level they chose, or something wrong that could be fixed before the game releases. Almost every fundamental aspect of the game was a pile of shit. So as I mentioned, unless the retail release is a completely different game then Too Human sucks. And it seems most of the reviewers have been agreeing with me.
 
[quote name='jer7583']Great post. It'll be lost on someone who spends his time playing Pokemon games, of all things, though. Too human should fit right in with that level grindy, ADD personality, still lives at home so has too much free time type.

I'm thinking of trading in my PS2 slim at gamestop.. It's been boxed up for a few months, and they're offering something like $60. But i'll probably not do it.[/quote]

I don't think your comments are true or add anything constructive to this conversation, instead they personally insult someone for no reason other than they disagree with an opinion you have.

Plus, get off pokemon. It's a solid game with solid mechanics. There is nothing wrong Pokemon.

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It's a dungeon crawler... it's going to take a lot of time from you (Diablo comes to mind).

If you don't like a game because you didn't like the demo then that is fine. Don't buy the game. That being said, there is no reason to completely dismiss a game from being successful or to bad mouth it simply because you didn't like what you have seen. Many people enjoyed the demo, I did, enjoy the settings, and game play. Everyone has different taste.

As for reviews, critics have wildly different opinions about this game. Some people here say the scores are bad or that the game is a flop based on some of these scores. Any game that can score a 7.8 and an 8 from two credible sources and a 5.5 and C- from two others definitely has a polarizing effect. However, the game is far from bad simply because two sites claimed foul; the two better scores enjoyed it. This is without even arguing interpretation of what a 5.5 or what a C- means. Some say 5.5 is the new 7 from sites that never go below 6 and C- means anything from 42 to 70 (metacritic, grade school, gamerankings). It's all a bunch of bs from critics who barely retain any professionalism for an industry that backasswards when it comes to reviews and biases. What does it all mean? I don't know. You like the demo, good, buy the game. If you don't, then don't.

No one here is prophetic and can tell if this game will flop, definitely not from a demo, and I believe shortsighted write-offs to be a dangerous and narrow-minded path.
 
[quote name='Rei no Otaku']Are you fucking serious? You're telling me that I shouldn't judge a game based on a 2 hour demo the developer put out just so I could judge whether I want the game or not?

You're acting like there was slowdown, texture pop-in, the level they chose, or something wrong that could be fixed before the game releases. Almost every fundamental aspect of the game was a pile of shit. So as I mentioned, unless the retail release is a completely different game then Too Human sucks. And it seems most of the reviewers have been agreeing with me.[/QUOTE]

Rei I like when I agree with you, however rare that is. lol.

JERs UNITE!!

Now, about dynasty warriors.. ;)

Hey SL44IN let's play some Burnout Paradise sometime!
 
Well, to be fair Rei, the Burnout Paradise demo was terrible (or a least a bad idea based on the general concept and flow of the game), but the retail release was quite a bit better.
 
Yes, but the Burnout Paradise demo wasn't bad because of bad gameplay. It was bad because of how they set the demo up. The fundamentals were all the same fundamentals found in the retail game.
 
[quote name='Rei no Otaku']Are you fucking serious? You're telling me that I shouldn't judge a game based on a 2 hour demo the developer put out just so I could judge whether I want the game or not?

You're acting like there was slowdown, texture pop-in, the level they chose, or something wrong that could be fixed before the game releases. Almost every fundamental aspect of the game was a pile of shit. So as I mentioned, unless the retail release is a completely different game then Too Human sucks. And it seems most of the reviewers have been agreeing with me.[/quote]

Perhaps he is referring to your extreme exaggerations. Every aspect of this game is shit? Come on, that is unreasonable and never in a million years can I believe someone to be so polarized, unless you are forcing yourself into that position; devil's advocate perhaps?

You don't like the game, which is VERY clear. You're position of absolutely nothing benign in the demo is ridiculous and erodes you're position. It makes people think that your conclusions were hasty and that you didn't

A. Give the demo a real chance, at all.

B. Had already made your mind up before playing the demo.

C. All of the above.

So basically you probably wrote the game off from game play footage or some pictures, in the back of your mind you felt the need to justify your already made opinion, so you play the demo (probably curtailed effort) and then make your final “educated decision”.

You don't have to like the game, but what you're talking about is simply heresy and just unfair.
 
Yeah, that's true Rei. The BP demo did turn some people off to the game though. I'm sure the Internet buzz about it didn't help either.

Sorry Slain, but Too Human just doesn't look good to me. I do recommend that people rent that game if they really aren't convinced about the demo. Of course, maybe spinning in circles and hitting the attack button to kill everything is your bag, I dunno.
 
I laughed through every minute of that horrible demo both at the demo itself and that there is a whole building of people who approved of this product and worked together for years to create it. It's a mediocre game on it's own, and an atrocity with the unavoidable context surrounding it.

Too Human took over 10 years to make!! And they come up with this shit?? Seriously..
 
[quote name='russellgreco']You don't have to like the game, but what you're talking about is simply heresy and just unfair.[/quote]
HERESY?

man, this is serious business now.
people have burned at the stake for heresy.

you better watch out, rei.
this ain't no joke.
 
[quote name='russellgreco']Perhaps he is referring to your extreme exaggerations. Every aspect of this game is shit? Come on, that is unreasonable and never in a million years can I believe someone to be so polarized, unless you are forcing yourself into that position; devil's advocate perhaps?

You don't like the game, which is VERY clear. You're position of absolutely nothing benign in the demo is ridiculous and erodes you're position. It makes people think that your conclusions were hasty and that you didn't

A. Give the demo a real chance, at all.

B. Had already made your mind up before playing the demo.

C. All of the above.

So basically you probably wrote the game off from game play footage or some pictures, in the back of your mind you felt the need to justify your already made opinion, so you play the demo (probably curtailed effort) and then make your final “educated decision”.

You don't have to like the game, but what you're talking about is simply heresy and just unfair.[/QUOTE]
D. You're making shit up when you don't know anything about me.

I didn't like anything in the demo. Why is that so hard to believe? I wanted this game to be good. I'm sure you could look up old posts of mine where I say I was looking forward to it. I played through the demo twice with two different character classes. Playing a game for 4 hours is more than enough time I think.

I'm not arguing whether or anyone else can think Too Human is good. If you liked the demo, then good for you. It's quite easy for me to accept that. I'm just arguing the fact that an opinion can't be made based on the demo, when that's the whole point of the demo in the first place.
 
[quote name='kainzero']HERESY?

man, this is serious business now.
people have burned at the stake for heresy.

you better watch out, rei.
this ain't no joke.[/quote]

Heresy? We're not playing Halo 3 (but if we were, that would be pretty cool :cool:).
 
I really want to buy a clear orange DVD case to put my Orange Box for 360 in. I haven't been able to find any retailers that sell them, though..

A nice 4 disc holder for lost odyssey would be nice too.
 
[quote name='Rei no Otaku']D. You're making shit up when you don't know anything about me.

I didn't like anything in the demo. Why is that so hard to believe? I wanted this game to be good. I'm sure you could look up old posts of mine where I say I was looking forward to it. I played through the demo twice with two different character classes. Playing a game for 4 hours is more than enough time I think.

I'm not arguing whether or anyone else can think Too Human is good. If you liked the demo, then good for you. It's quite easy for me to accept that. I'm just arguing the fact that an opinion can't be made based on the demo, when that's the whole point of the demo in the first place.[/quote]
That's not true I know quite a bit about your taste in games and some of the crazy positions you take on franchises.

I think it is quite possible that you denounce a game unfairly or to quickly.

I also doubt there is nothing there that you like, or in that case you never gave it a chance from the start.

It is also possible that people use such exaggerated language and I am not as desensitized to it as many of you. I think it is a very very strong statement when you say NOTHING is good about Too Human; I believe it is all a pile of shit was your words or about. That to me seems ridiculous, and hence a ridiculous stance.
 
So I just opened up my rental copy of Overlord from Gamefly hoping to finally beat it...and I'm not putting this thing in my 360. Cracks in the center of the disc, and the disc has little changes in height around the edges. Disappointing Gamefly, very disappointing.
 
[quote name='russellgreco']
If you don't like a game because you didn't like the demo then that is fine. Don't buy the game. That being said, there is no reason to completely dismiss a game from being successful or to bad mouth it simply because you didn't like what you have seen. Many people enjoyed the demo, I did, enjoy the settings, and game play. Everyone has different taste.
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I just don't get how people who liked the game off the demo and plan to buy it off of that can bash people who didn't like the demo and don't plan to buy it because of that. They're making they're decision off the demo just like the people who thought it sucked balls and won't buy it.

It's just a matter of different tastes, just like you said. There's nothing wrong with judging games based off of demos and/or reviews, especially for games you're on the fence about. Most of us don't have time to seek out and play full versions of every game that remotely interests us. Demos and reviews offer a way to prioritize our limited gaming time. That's what they are there for.

No one here is prophetic and can tell if this game will flop, definitely not from a demo, and I believe shortsighted write-offs to be a dangerous and narrow-minded path.
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I don't think anyone has said it would flop, just that they thought it was a turd from the demo and the reviews are mostly reinforcing that. The camera sucked. The controls sucked. The cutscenes/story were lame. The menus were terrible. The only thing it had going for it was the diablo-esque loot system and even that apparently sucks from the reviews. So it's easy to see how people can be so negative since pretty much all the fundamentals of the game were flawed and reviews are showing that the same complaints hold true in the full game.

As for shortsighted write-offs. Who gives a fuck. These are video games we're talking about. Silly little time wasters we have fun with. Not some piece of fine art people miss out on buy not playing the full version.
 
There is nothing good about it, I didn't even know about it before the demo. I downloaded it because I was bored, played it for a while then deleted it because I thought it was crap. Is my opinion ridiculous?
 
I must be unfairly fuckin' biased, because I saw the gameplay vids of the demo, saw that there was clearly no polish whatsoever in the game, and then the demo confirmed my suspicions. No, it musta been good, I'm just biased.
 
[quote name='Chacrana']I love it when people try to sound intelligent.[/quote]

I love it when people pull it off and ppl buy it. Like when I post all these lies/bs. bwahahaha

XBAND
 
[quote name='distgfx']There is nothing good about it, I didn't even know about it before the demo. I downloaded it because I was bored, played it for a while then deleted it because I thought it was crap. Is my opinion ridiculous?[/QUOTE]
Yes. We're all ridiculous for not liking Too Human.
 
[quote name='MarkMan']I love it when people pull it off and ppl buy it. Like when I post all these lies/bs. bwahahaha

XBAND[/QUOTE]

Dude, you totally lie!
 
[quote name='Chacrana']I love it when people try to sound intelligent.[/QUOTE]


hellz yah, science bitches!! e=mc squared.

integrate chill from 93 to infinity.

QUANTOM!
 
[quote name='Rei no Otaku']Yes. We're all ridiculous for not liking Too Human.[/QUOTE]

Indeed.

http://www.n4g.com/xbox360/News-186128.aspx

[quote name='Dennis Dyack']
"The people who don't like it generally just don't get it," Dyack tells OXM.

"And it's because we've created something so innovative and different," he explains. "It's ironic, it just shows that human nature of if you don't understand something, you immediately attack it. It's pretty interesting in that regard."
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Maybe one of these people getting their panties in a bunch is Dyak. Read somewhere on CAG today that he got banned from NeoGAF today so he may have drifted over here. :D
 
[quote name='dmaul1114']I just don't get how people who liked the game off the demo and plan to buy it off of that can bash people who didn't like the demo and don't plan to buy it because of that. They're making they're decision off the demo just like the people who thought it sucked balls and won't buy it.

It's just a matter of different tastes, just like you said. There's nothing wrong with judging games based off of demos and/or reviews, especially for games you're on the fence about. Most of us don't have time to seek out and play full versions of every game that remotely interests us. Demos and reviews offer a way to prioritize our limited gaming time. That's what they are there for.



I don't think anyone has said it would flop, just that they thought it was a turd from the demo and the reviews are mostly reinforcing that. The camera sucked. The controls sucked. The cutscenes/story were lame. The menus were terrible. The only thing it had going for it was the diablo-esque loot system and even that apparently sucks from the reviews. So it's easy to see how people can be so negative since pretty much all the fundamentals of the game were flawed and reviews are showing that the same complaints hold true in the full game.

As for shortsighted write-offs. Who gives a fuck. These are video games we're talking about. Silly little time wasters we have fun with. Not some piece of fine art people miss out on buy not playing the full version.[/quote]

That's true it is just a game, but I mean we are on a video game forum; Isn't the point to talk about video games? If we don't then everything is semantics and no threads woud have any purpose.

I am fine with the demo and how people feel about it. The reviews, however, are not enforcing that. I just don't see it. A game that gets an 8 and a 7.8 is not a crappy game, ever. At worst it's average. Is an average game totally flawed? Is an average game crappy all around? That's what people seem to indicate, and then they back their own opinion with critics (as you just did). The scores don't seemt to indicate this at all. Further, the problem is compounded when playes give it a C- or a 5.5 but indicate it is average or mediocre. Does this imply all average games have all the previousely stated flaws? I don't think so.

If no one is claiming that by their relation to the demo the game will flop then that is great, that's where a problem lies, and if there is none of that then there is no problem.
 
[quote name='russellgreco']That's true it is just a game, but I mean we are on a video game forum; Isn't the point to talk about video games? If we don't then everything is semantics and no threads woud have any purpose.[/quote]

We are discussing the game. Saying the demo sucked, the reviews suck and we aren't picking it up.

We're not talking about games when people are bitching about other's opinion on the game as we drifted into whether forming opinions from demos was valid etc.

I am fine with the demo and how people feel about it. The reviews, however, are not enforcing that. I just don't see it. A game that gets an 8 and a 7.8 is not a crappy game, ever. At worst it's average.
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Game reviews rate way too high. There's very few games I've ever liked below 85-90% on gamerankings. I'm very picky and only want to play the cream of the crop.

Too Human may not completly suck, but it was very flawed for me with the shitty camera, lame controls, terrible menu and lame story in the demo. And reading the reviews I see the exact same complaints. That's how the reviews reinforce the complaints I had with the demo--in the text. I wasn't referring just to the arbitrary number scores.

Is an average game totally flawed? Is an average game crappy all around?
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There are degrees of crappiness, but anything below a personal A- or B+ game isn't worth playing to me so I don't care much below that point.

If no one is claiming that by their relation to the demo the game will flop then that is great, that's where a problem lies, and if there is none of that then there is no problem.
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Quote someone who said that. People have just said they thought it sucked as far as I can recall. I never talk about games selling well, bombing, etc. as I couldn't give a shit less about game sales.
 
[quote name='dmaul1114']We are discussing the game. Saying the demo sucked, the reviews suck and we aren't picking it up.

We're not talking about games when people are bitching about other's opinion on the game as we drifted into whether forming opinions from demos was valid etc.



Game reviews rate way too high. There's very few games I've ever liked below 85-90% on gamerankings. I'm very picky and only want to play the cream of the crop.

Too Human may not completly suck, but it was very flawed for me with the shitty camera, lame controls, terrible menu and lame story in the demo. And reading the reviews I see the exact same complaints. That's how the reviews reinforce the complaints I had with the demo--in the text. I wasn't referring just to the arbitrary number scores.



There are degrees of crappiness, but anything below a personal A- or B+ game isn't worth playing to me so I don't care much below that point.



Quote someone who said that. People have just said they thought it sucked as far as I can recall. I never talk about games selling well, bombing, etc. as I couldn't give a shit less about game sales.[/quote]

I can understand your need to pick the cream of the crop. Generallly though games that score well have massize hype, are more generic, and tend to be lax in nature. The Halo's, Mario's, etc, etc, come to mind. If anything below B+ is considered to be crappy, or a degree of crappiness that is too large, I would think that a large amount of games (many of which are good) woud get by you. Perhaps because they are misunderstood or polarizing to reviewers. It seems like a scenario that would only cause grief to you. Then again, they are only games and a serious hobby at best.

I still don't see the review scores as bad, 7.8 -8 (average?).
I don't think review scores agree with many of the opinions expressed by others, but they seem to think they do. I don't know if having a journalist agree with you is something some people need, but I don't see it.
I think short sighted or exagerrated sentiments are dangerous.
People throw a lot of exaggerated terms around like nothing.

I meant there was no problem about it bombing, I thought someone had mentioned it earlier, but I believe you and others when they say that wasn't said, so there is no problem. I could also be thinking of another forum.
 
[quote name='Maklershed']You've played more than the demo already?[/quote]
I'm not going to need more then a demo to tell me that both the combat and controls are shit.
 
[quote name='russellgreco']..... I would think that a large amount of games (many of which are good) woud get by you. Perhaps because they are misunderstood or polarizing to reviewers. It seems like a scenario that would only cause grief to you. Then again, they are only games and a serious hobby at best.
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Again, I never rely solely on reviews. A lot of games I know I want and don't bother with them at all (Gears 2 for instance). And even for a game like this where I was no the fence, I spent a couple hours with the demo and that factored into my decision much more than the reviews. The text of reviews just reaffirmed to me that the problems I had with the demo were still in the final game.

I still don't see the review scores as bad, 7.8 -8 (average?).
I don't think review scores agree with many of the opinions expressed by others, but they seem to think they do. I don't know if having a journalist agree with you is something some people need, but I don't see it.
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I don't think they're terrible per se. It's just that I seldom have enjoyed games that reviewed in that level. And, as I noted reviews tend to be inflated for games vs. movies IMO. Again I'm just very picky as gaming is just a minor hobby for me and I have other things I enjoy doing more in my spare time. And again I don't rely soley on reviews and often pay them no heed. I certainly don't need my opinion of a game, movie etc. validated by others--I really don't care what others think about a game I like or dislike. I just occasionally use reviews as part of the process of deciding which "on the fence" games are worth picking up.

I think short sighted or exagerrated sentiments are dangerous.
People throw a lot of exaggerated terms around like nothing.
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On serious topics of relevance in the real world? Sure. But not when discussing silly hobbies we have like games. There's not harm in being blunt and exaggerating opinions on something as banal as games.

I probably come off as blunt and callous sometimes but that's just because:

1. I don't care that much about games or take them seriously despite the decent amount of posting I do here.

2. 95% of my posting is just taking quick little, couple minute breaks from whatever I'm working on at the office so most of the time there's not a lot of thought behind my posts.
 
When were the review scores 7.8-8? That was IGN and... that's it?

Gamerankings is saying 67.8% right now... that ain't too good.
 
I like how some of the arguements bring up the review scores. Forget about review scores, they're just someone's glorified opinion.
 
[quote name='distgfx']I like how some of the arguements bring up the review scores. Forget about review scores, they're just someone's glorified opinion.[/QUOTE]

I never pay attention to individual review scores. For games I'm on the fence I:

1. Look at game rankings. If the average is low, it's probably something I'll skip on, if it's high it's worth checking out for myself.

2. I'll read the text of a few reviews and see what the complaints are. If they are things that annoy me in games, then I'll probably skip it. If the complaints are things that don't bother me much it's probably worth checking out for myself.

But that's about it, I don't care about any one person's opinion on a game, but the overall average is a decent barometer and reviews can be useful for seeing what people list as the pros and cons of the game and seeing how those mesh with your own tastes.
 
[quote name='Kendal']I just sold my soul to the devil and got WoW. I shall be without a life by the weekend. fuck![/quote]

Your turn to the dark side is now complete...
 
[quote name='Chacrana']When were the review scores 7.8-8? That was IGN and... that's it?

Gamerankings is saying 67.8% right now... that ain't too good.[/quote]


Game Rankings also has a C- listed as a 60. All of the sites seem to have different scales which game rankings treats as equals and does a simple average.

For example, a 5.5 for gamespot is listes as average or mediocre. A C- , to most, is average or mediocre. So does a C- equal a 5.5? They aren't even on level playing fields, that average means practically nothing.

I still don't see the point in debating semantics about tone. I think a discussion should always have a certain tone, but thats probably because of my background. I also understand that many people are posting quickly and between breaks, but does it really take that much longer to be succinct with your language. See, this is a waste, why even talk about tone or seriousnes. Simply enter into the conversation or don't and dicuss point by point or not. I don't even know why the semantics card is pulled.
 
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For example, a 5.5 for gamespot is listes as average or mediocre. A C- , to most, is average or mediocre. So does a C- equal a 5.5? They aren't even on level playing fields, that average means practically nothing.
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See, that's the problem with a 10 point number scale--sites never use the whole scale. Sites list a 5 as average....but they seldom use it for average games. It gets used for crappy games and it takes something truly putrid to score worse than a 5. See if you can take a look at gamespot reviews for games scoring below a 5 and see how many you'd consider average (same with EGM/1up before they went to letter system). Average games are more in the 7-8 range, despite how they describe their scales. So, again, for me I seldom find games below an 8.0 average that I find worth playing, given my strong efforts to only play the cream of the crop.

That's why I like EGM/1up's letter system more. They seem to be doing a bit better with giving C's to average games and giving Ds (don't know that I've seen an F yet) for crappy games.
 
[quote name='distgfx']That's a blatant insult to the dark side.[/quote]

No way. The Dark Side plays Horde on Kil'jaeden and raid every Sunday for Tier 4 gear even though they don't need it.

They are evil after all.
 
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