Good Bye Lik-Sang, you will be missed - Lik-Sang Closes Down Shop

[quote name='The Mana Knight']Seriously, the law is screwed up, but it really does matter in Europe (as to why European law passed it). Electronics companies are forced to comply with the rules in Europe, and if they don't, they'll face charges, fines, etc. by the government.[/quote]

Sorry but I am from the UK and this is a BS excuse by Sony. People who can afford to import consoles are intelligent enough to know they'll need some kind of transformer to run them. We're not talking about kids walking into the local Best Buy and picking Japanese consoles off the shelf.

People in Europe have been grey importing for years, generally because we get screwed and have to wait longer than anyone else for consoles.

The government in the UK have never cracked down on grey imports because there is no safety issue.

Sony has wanted Lik-Sang shut down for years and any excuse about safety concerns is complete BS.
 
[quote name='Mad-B-Man']Actually, if you're water isn't regulated, then yes, maybe there will be enough lead or what ever to cause harm. Belive it or not, unregulated bottled water is a huge problems in some regions.[/QUOTE]

Hmmm you're not talking about the tap in store are you? The one you use to fill your jug with water because I was under the impression that shit was filtered.
Also I was more referring to the lead with electronics bit on the microscopic comment.
 
wow... In just under a year I have gone from being a big Sony fan to a skeptical supporter to a militant anti-Sony hate machine. Can a company alienate its consumer base any more than Sony has?? Way to reveal yourselves as the cold robotic sith corporation that you are... Anyone else feel me on this???


RIP Lik Seng... boycott Sony and other corporate bullies.
 
[quote name='Sarang01']Hmmm you're not talking about the tap in store are you? The one you use to fill your jug with water because I was under the impression that shit was filtered.
Also I was more referring to the lead with electronics bit on the microscopic comment.[/quote]
Oh no, not those, I'm reffering to small bottles actually. In some counties these a network of black market water. Well, it's basicly companies that don't want to bother with going through the legal process and get proper filtering eqiopment.
 
Oh yeah, and if you think about it.

MS had a power cord recall throughout the world, due to house fires in Europe due to the Xbox power cable.

Sony had a power cord recall for the slim PS2, due to a similar situation in Europe (from what I believe, this was Europe only, who got replacement power cables).

Let's say you were to take a 120Vrms signal, from a U.S. power outlet, into a 1 ohm load (very small resistance and very unrealistic value inside a cosnole/handheld power supply, but it makes the math easy), that's 120Arms of current, and 14.4kW of power (using the equation P = V^2/R = I^2*R = V*I). From a European outlet, take a 240Vmrs signal into a 1ohm load, and you have 240Arms of current, and 57.6kW of power. That's basically 4X power. So, if someone were to import a console/handheld from Japan, and plugged it into the wall, there's a chance they may blow it up (due to not being able to handle the outlet) or even causing a fire. If there's a fire, guess who's getting sued first? Sony first (due to being their product).
 
[quote name='The Mana Knight']Oh yeah, and if you think about it.

MS had a power cord recall throughout the world, due to house fires in Europe due to the Xbox power cable.

Sony had a power cord recall for the slim PS2, due to a similar situation in Europe (from what I believe, this was Europe only, who got replacement power cables).

Let's say you were to take a 120Vrms signal, from a U.S. power outlet, into a 1 ohm load (very small resistance and very unrealistic value inside a cosnole/handheld power supply, but it makes the math easy), that's 120Arms of current, and 14.4kW of power (using the equation P = V^2/R = I^2*R = V*I). From a European outlet, take a 240Vmrs signal into a 1ohm load, and you have 240Arms of current, and 57.6kW of power. That's basically 4X power. So, if someone were to import a console/handheld from Japan, and plugged it into the wall, there's a chance they may blow it up (due to not being able to handle the outlet) or even causing a fire. If there's a fire, guess who's getting sued first? Sony first (due to being their product).[/quote]

Well I'll not argue with you on the physics but I can tell you straight out that people in Europe paying $600+ for their new PS3's will make damn sure they know the ins and outs of what power to use. Just like they did when they imported their PS1's and PS2's. Where was the terrible danger posed by imports then ?? Well it was nowhere because this is a non-issue.

Further your point about the power cable recall only goes to prove that with all the safety measures in place, and all the wonderful European legislation there was still a problem. Those recalled power cables weren't from grey imported consoles, they were from "legit" consoles.

As I said before the safety concern is BS, people have been importing consoles for years with no rash of console files or any such nonsense.

Sony wants to control everything about there precious PS3 (which people in Europe are supposedly "happy" to wait for) and frankly they can cram it between the lips they never kiss with.
 
I love all the Sony bashing coming from the people who support Microsoft, who has done alot of the same shit in the past. :applause:
 
[quote name='Setzer']I love all the Sony bashing coming from the people who support Microsoft, who has done alot of the same shit in the past. :applause:[/quote]At least Microsoft finally had to go to court for it. But regardless, as the old saying goes, two wrongs do not make a right.
 
[quote name='Setzer']I love all the Sony bashing coming from the people who support Microsoft, who has done alot of the same shit in the past. :applause:[/quote]

I don't remember MS coming out with statements like

"PS3 is the console people will work harder to get" or "People in Europe don't mind waiting for the PS3"

Although I could be wrong. I won't be buying a PS3 or any other Sony console in the future and I buy a hell of a lot of games. No that they'll notice.

My small action will in no way bring about the fall of Sony, Hopefully their own arrogance and ignorance will do that.
 
I'd be more upset with the EUs goofy laws than I would be with Sony for using those laws to help enforce their stepped-out region release schedule.
 
[quote name='The Mana Knight']
So, Sony was only doing what was right. Anyone who tries to say fuck Sony over this, well, it is Lik-Sang's fault and Sony has to protect their company from getting into bigger problems.
.[/QUOTE]

How about saying fuck Sony for releasing the PSP a good 9 months after the US date creating an absurd demand that a reputable import site was trying to help fill? There were PSPs literally sitting on US shelves for months before the European launch. God damn, I hate Sony right now.
 
[quote name='Quatli']wow... In just under a year I have gone from being a big Sony fan to a skeptical supporter to a militant anti-Sony hate machine. Can a company alienate its consumer base any more than Sony has?? Way to reveal yourselves as the cold robotic sith corporation that you are... Anyone else feel me on this???


RIP Lik Seng... boycott Sony and other corporate bullies.[/quote]

I'll say this...

From the lack of dual analog on the PSP to the lack of rumble features in the PS3 controllers, you can tell Sony has a horde of "yes men" that work for them.

I never thought Sony would be hated more than EA but it seems like that is what they are shooting for.
 
This really blows. I'm glad I was able to pick up my Frag Box xbox KB/M converter when I had the chance along with my GBA movie player. It's really sad to lose them since it's really hard to find a legit import store.

This reminds me of how angry I was at sony for killing Bleem back when I was a hardcore DC fan. Maybe that's why I never felt the need to own a PS2. And now I'm so mad I have a feeling I'll skip the PS3.
 
[quote name='KingDox']This reminds me of how angry I was at sony for killing Bleem back when I was a hardcore DC fan.[/quote]
I forgot all about that.
 
It has become clear in the past year or so that Sony in fact has no clear message or direction for this next generation and is instead controlled and run by corporate douches who could give less than a shit about you and are completely out of touch with the gamer demographic. It really saddens me to say this, given how much I loved ps1 and 2. Hell I even own a psp. But strike after strike from Sony has shown me that they are no longer the company I once loved...
 
[quote name='The Mana Knight']
Basically, Sony and many other electronics businesses around the globe have to design their electronics internally, for Europe in mind (when they release a device to the European market). The U.S., Japan, and other countries don't have these strict regulations (there's also many power regulations too for the European market, but I won't get deep into it). So, if Sony were to get caught with an imported console/handheld in Europe because it doesn't meet the requirements (laws just passed in Europe), they'd be in big trouble with the European government. Basically, lik-sang was getting themself into huge trouble doing this (breaking European law), so that's possibly why they didn't defend the case (I doubt Lik-Sang has any Electrical Engineers working for them).

For some power requirements, a European outlet can supply 240Vrms (also 340Vp, 680Vpp) at 50Hz frequency. The U.S. and Japan outlet can supply 120Vrms (also 170Vp, 340Vpp) at 60Hz frequency. Due to the outlets being different (where the ones in Europe supply a higher voltage), that isn't technically safe.[/QUOTE]

Are you saying you sony has or will have a seperate manufacturing process for electronics intended to be sold in Europe?
Regarding the power outlet thing, it states in the Liksang press release:

Lik Sang strongly disagrees with Sony's opinion that their customers need this kind of protection and pointed out that PSP consoles shipped from Lik-Sang contained genuine Sony 100V-240V AC Adapters that carry CE and other safety marks and are compatible world wide. All PSP consoles were in conformity with all EU and UK consumer safety regulations.
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[quote name='VanillaGorilla']Wow, some of you people are morons. Imagine if you yourself made birdhouses. You are gonna sell your birdhouses in Canada in about 2 months. But some douchebag comes along, buys all your birdhouses, for $25 a pop, and then starts selling them in Canada before you yourself want to. He makes profit on shipping and "import fees". Would you not be pissed? It's the same situation.

Lik Sang was warned, they continued to do it, and they paid the price. End of story.[/quote]

:rofl:
 
Having fewer choices always suck. The assumption is it will have some ripple effect on pricing or availability when a competitor goes down.

It's hard to believe Lik Sang's sole bread and butter would be PSP's though, so hopefully it means a potential rise from the ashes and the rest remain untouched.

The current PSP was lacking enough for me to be on the fence about buying it, or the Nintendo DS this holiday. Thanks for making the decision easier. Go DS!

But dammit for taking out a supplier of import DS games.
 
I can't believe want Sony did this like a small company that has some importing console I don't see harm in it. If people want a different Region system no reason why they can't buy it not like they're selling illegal pirated games.
 
It looks like Sony is doing everything they can to alienate the hardcore gaming audience.
Maybe for their next move, Hirai personally shows up at the house of every PS3 owner to kick them in the crotch.
 
[quote name='musha666']That is why when I do buy a playstation I wait for a second or third model of it to let them get rid of alot of the bugs in it.

I had a PS3 preordered on Lik-Sang so this sort of sucks for me.[/QUOTE]

I found this post amusing. You wait for the second or third model, yet you pre-order? :cool:

On their site, Lik-Sang plays the victim card. It sure didn't take any balls to whine to the Internet after not even trying to defend themselves legally.
 
[quote name='CaseyRyback']I love how they made Sony look like total douchebags[/QUOTE]

Me too, but really, is it that hard? They've been doing to themselves for years.
 
[quote name='Zing']On their site, Lik-Sang plays the victim card. It sure didn't take any balls to whine to the Internet after not even trying to defend themselves legally.[/quote]

Must be the same card from Sony's deck then. :lol:
 
[quote name='Zing']On their site, Lik-Sang plays the victim card. It sure didn't take any balls to whine to the Internet after not even trying to defend themselves legally.[/QUOTE]

That may have been a smart move; who knows if Sony's intent was to litigate them out of business (that they would incur so much legal expense that they wouldn't have money to operate anymore, regardless of the legal outcome). God knows Sony has more resources than Lik-Sang to outlast them in court.
 
What the fuck? I just bought a new-to-me DS the other day (first one...yeah, I'm a little late to the party. Hell, I just bought a Dreamcast last year, cut me some slack.) and went to lik-sang to pimp it out with some styli and screen protector-y schwag....only to see...this news....I repeat, what the fuck? I have long ago stopped buying Sony products, but this just cements my hatred of them into a densely compacted mass of excrement. Yes, a black hole of shit, if you will.
 
People sony didnt do anything wrong. Lik-Sang violated the EU rules with imports. Furthermore they didnt even defend themselves in the lawsuit and basically pleaded guilty to the charges filed against them by the British Courts.Also Sony didn't force them to close. They could work out a payment plan and pay back Sony but instead they are deciding to close. The lawsuit against them didn't cost them anything since they never bothered showing up in court.You can bitch and whine about Sony being evil but they just enforced the laws of the EU, its not like Sony wrote those laws. They just abide by them.
 
[quote name='Brian9824']You can bitch and whine about Sony being evil but they just enforced the laws of the EU, its not like Sony wrote those laws. They just abide by them.[/quote]

When it suits them.
 
Theres alot of info here that I don't see that could change this story.Had sony sent cease and desist letters in the past to lik-sang?Did they offer to not press charges if they would have stopped xxxx time ago?Did sony offer to work out a payment plan for Lik-Sang?So far its lik-sang CHOOSING to close down, not Sony FORCING them to close down. Until I get more details I refuse to paint anyone in a negative light.
 
[quote name='Brian9824']Theres alot of info here that I don't see that could change this story.Had sony sent cease and desist letters in the past to lik-sang?Did they offer to not press charges if they would have stopped xxxx time ago?Did sony offer to work out a payment plan for Lik-Sang?So far its lik-sang CHOOSING to close down, not Sony FORCING them to close down. Until I get more details I refuse to paint anyone in a negative light.[/quote]

Sony could have taken a neutral attitude towards Lik-Sang's alleged violations under the theory that Lik-Sang would, in the long run, HELP Sony by selling more units to people that otherwise would not have an opportunity to buy them. This stimulates further sales of software, accessories, etc. which could only help Sony. However, a nose cut off to spite one's face does no good lying on the ground, dead.
 
[quote name='Tybee']Is anyone else hearing Three Stooges music as they read these back and forth accounts?[/quote]

Pop Goes The Weasel indeed!
 
[quote name='dark-star']Sony could have taken a neutral attitude towards Lik-Sang's alleged violations under the theory that Lik-Sang would, in the long run, HELP Sony by selling more units to people that otherwise would not have an opportunity to buy them. This stimulates further sales of software, accessories, etc. which could only help Sony. However, a nose cut off to spite one's face does no good lying on the ground, dead.[/quote]

Except its not alleged. Lik-Sang DID break the law and they were found guilty by an impartial court. Sony might have been an ass to sue them but they were completely in the right to do so
 
In a court of law it is. They have been found guilty because enough evidence was brought to court to charge them. If they didnt dispute the evidence then they are guilty unless the appeal it.
 
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