Halo 3 - General Discussion & Info

[quote name='Ugamer_X']I love how the game freezes every time I press the guide button.

Really nice feature.[/quote]
Halo 3 added that feature to every game and the dashboard. ;)
 
[quote name='thrustbucket']Nope. It agitates the shit out of me that I have to crank up the volume to the point that the voice actors and music are nearly deafening to even hear my gun reload. And the weapon sounds are so quiet that it feels like everything is a pea shooter.[/QUOTE]

Thanks for clarifying that. I thought I was losing my hearing or some crap.
 
SMB sold nearly 45 million copies. Not gonna top that. And nothing...well, Wii Sports might. It's sold around 8 million copies because it comes packed in. Not too spectacular, but still worth nothing.

You know, these 3 days of Gold sponsored by Best Buy aren't all that cracked up to be. I can't join ranked matches, I can't voice chat with everyone. And I can't co-op. But...that's not gonna matter by tomorrow for me at least.

I....REALLY like this multiplayer. This is the first game I can actually say this is something I want to play for more than a month after playing it in this type of format. So...I guess I'll be upgrading.
 
Thing is did SMB sell 45 million copies in one day. That is what they are geting at with Halo. It is not how much it has sold so far but just in that first day.

As for the 3 days from Best Buy you are right on the ranked matches. You need gold for them but co-op and talking you can do. I had or tried to do a co-op game but I laged so much I left and I was able to talk after finding my mic.

If ranked has more then three multiplayer levels I will get live as soon as I can. What I have played now I have only seen 3 maybe 4 levels. It is geting old looking at them.

[quote name='KingBroly']SMB sold nearly 45 million copies. Not gonna top that. And nothing...well, Wii Sports might. It's sold around 8 million copies because it comes packed in. Not too spectacular, but still worth nothing.

You know, these 3 days of Gold sponsored by Best Buy aren't all that cracked up to be. I can't join ranked matches, I can't voice chat with everyone. And I can't co-op. But...that's not gonna matter by tomorrow for me at least.

I....REALLY like this multiplayer. This is the first game I can actually say this is something I want to play for more than a month after playing it in this type of format. So...I guess I'll be upgrading.[/QUOTE]
 
[quote name='whoknows']Is the hammer like...REALLY overpowered? I was playing lone wolf and I killed someone who had the hammer and took it.

Needless to say I won.[/quote]

my favorite thing about the hammer is the way your character hits the ground just like mario did in the original Donkey Kong. I get a chuckle everytime i see it.
 
[quote name='KingBroly']SMB sold nearly 45 million copies. Not gonna top that. And nothing...well, Wii Sports might. It's sold around 8 million copies because it comes packed in. Not too spectacular, but still worth nothing.
....[/quote]

You can't discount Wii Sports because it is "packed in"...back in the day, SMB was a pack-in as well...but again, that isn't the point of this thread. This is about opening day gross, and right now (perhaps for a very long time) Halo 3 is king. Accept it and move on.
 
[quote name='h2dk']You can't discount Wii Sports because it is "packed in"...back in the day, SMB was a pack-in as well...but again, that isn't the point of this thread. This is about opening day gross, and right now (perhaps for a very long time) Halo 3 is king. Accept it and move on.[/QUOTE]

Gross is nice to put out there to media outlets and fanboys, but otherwise it means shit.

When they release net, especially after replacing discs at no charge, then come find me.
 
Who cares about opening day gross? They should care about the overall numbers, not a single day thing. The next big blockbuster will probably surpass Halo 3 next summer the way ticket prices are going anyway.
 
Got it today. I must say i absolutely hate that multiplayer has bars on the side of the screen though. I didn't buy a 32" LCD to have half the picture cut off.
 
[quote name='sp00ge']Before I do so and upset a mod, anyone else want a thread for Halo3 screenshots? I have a few that I'll post here for the time being.

Notice me around that corner with the rocket launcher? :D
http://www.brokenpinata.com/pics/halo3/523713-Full.jpg

I believe I can fly!
http://www.brokenpinata.com/pics/halo3/566384-Full.jpg

Wile E. Coyote in Spartan Armor?
http://www.brokenpinata.com/pics/halo3/566551-Full.jpg[/quote]

Well...I don't get upset, I just close them because I didn't see the point in having more than one, but now knowing how huge of an impact this game is having with all its nifty features, I'd say starting a Halo 3 Picture & Video sharing thread sounds pretty cool.
 
[quote name='KingBroly']Who cares about opening day gross? They should care about the overall numbers, not a single day thing. The next big blockbuster will probably surpass Halo 3 next summer the way ticket prices are going anyway.[/QUOTE]
God; Shut. The. fuck. Up.

If you want to flip the script from launch day sales to overall sales, then how the fuck can you shit on its success, what with it being out for less than a week?
 
I can't believe how this thread flipped when I changed the title...I'll change it back later tonight hopefully then people can stay on topic instead of bashing Bungie's & Microsofts success.
 
[quote name='CocheseUGA']Not so fast, my friend. That's not true with Halo. MS will never tell us how much they spent to make Halo 3, so it's all a guess. But I'd wager that the budget was easily a medium movie budget if not more.[/QUOTE]

There's no way that Halo 3 cost more than $20 million to make. An average video game costs about $5-$10m depending on production time.

EDIT: I have read there was $10m in advertising costs, so I've added that to the figures.

To give some perspective, Titanic cost $200m to make. That's 10x the cost.

Titanic - $200,000,000 cost, $1,234,000,000 return in 9 months.
Halo 3 - $30,000,000 cost, $170,000,000 return in one day.

The fact is that the film industry's union system and the ridiculous costs of EVERYTHING (catering, film, locations, permits, trailers, generators, CGI, etc) on average I would say make it about 5x more than any given video game.
 
[quote name='LinkinPrime']I can't believe how this thread flipped when I changed the title...I'll change it back later tonight hopefully then people can stay on topic instead of bashing Bungie's & Microsofts success.[/QUOTE]

You should never post sales figures, that's just fanboy flame/trolling-bait.
 
And just to be clear, I think it's awesome how successful it's been, not bashing it. I am a film person, but I think that the lower cost of production of video games and the increased profit margin is going to be a big deal for the film industry in the coming years.
 
[quote name='lordwow']There's no way that Halo 3 cost more than $20 million to make. An average video game costs about $5-$10m depending on production time.

EDIT: I have read there was $10m in advertising costs, so I've added that to the figures.

To give some perspective, Titanic cost $200m to make. That's 10x the cost.

Titanic - $200,000,000 cost, $1,234,000,000 return in 9 months.
Halo 3 - $30,000,000 cost, $170,000,000 return in one day.

The fact is that the film industry's union system and the ridiculous costs of EVERYTHING (catering, film, locations, permits, trailers, generators, CGI, etc) on average I would say make it about 5x more than any given video game.[/quote]

I read that Halo 3 cost $30 million, plus another $30 million in advertising/marketing/promotions.
 
[quote name='CocheseUGA']Gross is nice to put out there to media outlets and fanboys, but otherwise it means shit.

When they release net, especially after replacing discs at no charge, then come find me.[/QUOTE]
Why not compare apples to apples? Movies are almost always measured by their opening day gross.

The studio typically pockets 50% of the gross on a theatrical release, and around 60% on DVD sales. Microsoft pockets 80% of the gross sales on Halo 3. Also, a big budget release (such as Spiderman 3) can cost hundreds of millions of dollars, while Halo 3 cost around $30-$40 million.

So not only did Halo 3 gross more than any movie, game, or any other medium in its first day, their net profits are likely the highest in history for the first day, as well.

Here is a good breakdown (its figures estimate Halo 3 at $150m gross, which at $180m, it exceeded quite a bit):
http://www.latimes.com/business/la-...y?coll=la-default-underdog&ctrack=2&cset=true
 
I think it's great to see a game get mainstream media attention (mostly positive even!). It seems like a lot of the naysayers are just really sensitive to anything that's popular.
 
[quote name='dafoomie']Why not compare apples to apples? Movies are almost always measured by their opening day gross.

The studio typically pockets 50% of the gross on a theatrical release, and around 60% on DVD sales. Microsoft pockets 80% of the gross sales on Halo 3. Also, a big budget release (such as Spiderman 3) can cost hundreds of millions of dollars, while Halo 3 cost around $30-$40 million.

So not only did Halo 3 gross more than any movie, game, or any other medium in its first day, their net profits are likely the highest in history for the first day, as well.

Here is a good breakdown (its figures estimate Halo 3 at $150m gross, which at $180m, it exceeded quite a bit):
http://www.latimes.com/business/la-...y?coll=la-default-underdog&ctrack=2&cset=true[/QUOTE]

I hate when people try to compare different mediums of the same industry. 'Hey, McDonalds made $10M today, and Chili's made $20M.' That's about the arguement people are trying to make.

It's the highest grossing game. Period.
 
Now that a pic and video thread has been started what about one talkeing about the game but alowing spoilers. That way people can talk about the ending and things that happend in the game and not spoil it for others. People reading in the thread will know it is all spoilers because it will say so in the title. Also anyone else haveing issues geting on live now? I only have silver and I'm geting nothing. Even to check my messages and use the dashboard it is really really slow or just locks up.
 
[quote name='sendme']Now that a pic and video thread has been started what about one talkeing about the game but alowing spoilers. That way people can talk about the ending and things that happend in the game and not spoil it for others. People reading in the thread will know it is all spoilers because it will say so in the title. Also anyone else haveing issues geting on live now? I only have silver and I'm geting nothing. Even to check my messages and use the dashboard it is really really slow or just locks up.[/quote]

There is one already:
http://www.cheapassgamer.com/forums/showthread.php?t=153965
 
Is there anyway to browse for co-op or custom games? I'd love to play this infection mode sites are all gabbing about, but I see no way to do so short of trying interrupt the exp/skill grinders with a request to be in my party.
 
[quote name='SNAKE EYES EX']I think it's great to see a game get mainstream media attention (mostly positive even!). It seems like a lot of the naysayers are just really sensitive to anything that's popular.[/QUOTE]


either that or some of us aren't too big of fans of the halo series...


I still say the story in these games are shallow as hell... made me feel like I was watching an old WB TV program.
 
Anyone having issues with achievements unlocking? I've done 10 Headshots and Killed 3 people in a car and they aren't unlocking. Anyone else have this happen?
 
[quote name='RelentlessRolento']either that or some of us aren't too big of fans of the halo series...


I still say the story in these games are shallow as hell... made me feel like I was watching an old WB TV program.[/QUOTE]
If people weren't just being haters, they would just leave the thread alone. I hate Ratch & Clank and all that ish, I don't just go in a thread about it just to talk about all the reasons I don't like it.
 
[quote name='lordwow']There's no way that Halo 3 cost more than $20 million to make. An average video game costs about $5-$10m depending on production time.

[/QUOTE]

Halo 3 cost a lot more than 10 million.

Spiderman 3 was 35 million.

I heard stranglehold was 40 million.

That's the cost for a "AAA" next gen title these days. That's why nobody does console exclusives unless someone subsidizes.
 
[quote name='RelentlessRolento']either that or some of us aren't too big of fans of the halo series...


I still say the story in these games are shallow as hell... made me feel like I was watching an old WB TV program.[/QUOTE]

you know, if i didn't read it on every page of this thread...i'd have no idea you didn't like halo. but now i know...and knowing is half the battle.

anywho,
i'm really liking the new additions...taking awhile to get used to maps, weapons, powerups, etc. like i was in halo 2, but hey...i'm ok with that.
 
[quote name='thrustbucket']Halo 3 cost a lot more than 10 million.

Spider man 3 was 35 million.

I heard stranglehold was 40 million.

That's the cost for a "AAA" next gen title these days. That's why nobody does console exclusives unless someone subsidizes.[/quote]Really Spider-Man 3 the game cost 35 million I don't think in a world possible it can cost that much. Spider man 2 the game destroys the 3rd and had to be less and it looked better so I can't imagine that . Also 40million on Stranglehold seems pretty ridiculous unless John Woo took a nice 15 million dollars for it in his pay check.
 
I was wondering do they save the cut scenes for the game some where? I would like to go back and see some of them with out playing again or geting on youtube.
 
[quote name='Bazz']Really Spider-Man 3 the game cost 35 million I don't think in a world possible it can cost that much. Spider man 2 the game destroys the 3rd and had to be less and it looked better so I can't imagine that . Also 40million on Stranglehold seems pretty ridiculous unless John Woo took a nice 15 million dollars for it in his pay check.[/QUOTE]
According to an article I found analysts put Halo 3's total cost to Microsoft at about $60 million. $30m for the game development itself, $25m in bonuses and about $15-20m in marketing costs (that will mostly be subsidized by partners so aren't counted for the full amount).

http://cw20.trb.com/entertainment/la-fi-halo24sep24,0,93094.story?coll=wtxx-ent-5

For comparison, Gears of War is considered exceptionally cheap at $10 million.
http://www.pro-g.co.uk/news/05-10-2006-3767.html
 
Holy shit. Heroic is hella fun. I get my ass handed to me, but I'm liking it. I die at least 5 times per level (through 2 chapters, thus far). Only played on Normal in the previous ones. I hope that one level isn't as frustrating as I fear it will be or else a controller will be flinging at some walls.
 
[quote name='Damian']According to an article I found analysts put Halo 3's total cost to Microsoft at about $60 million. $30m for the game development itself, $25m in bonuses and about $15-20m in marketing costs (that will mostly be subsidized by partners so aren't counted for the full amount).
[/quote]

that's a lot o' hooch!
 
I've only gone through the first mission and part of the second, but do they ever explain what happens in between Halo 2 and Halo 3? I remember that at the end of Halo 2 several Covenant races were aligned with the humans, and Master Chief was returning to Earth in a ship from the new Halo ring.
Now in Halo 3
The Chief crashlands on Earth (did he destroy the ship he was on?) and almost blows out the brains of the Arbiter. Every Covenant race I've seen seems to be back with the Covenant, and the only Elite I've seen is the Arbiter.
If this is explained in the game don't tell me what happened.
 
[quote name='Kaijufan']I've only gone through the first mission and part of the second, but do they ever explain what happens in between Halo 2 and Halo 3? I remember that at the end of Halo 2 several Covenant races were aligned with the humans, and Master Chief was returning to Earth in a ship from the new Halo ring.
Now in Halo 3
The Chief crashlands on Earth (did he destroy the ship he was on?) and almost blows out the brains of the Arbiter. Every Covenant race I've seen seems to be back with the Covenant, and the only Elite I've seen is the Arbiter.
If this is explained in the game don't tell me what happened.[/quote]Halo 2 Spoilers:
The very opening where you see the two lights in the sky is the ship the Chief was on at the end of 2 and him exiting and it crashes.

The rest will become clear throughout the game, just remember that only the Elites left the Covenant because the Prophets replaced the Elites with Brutes for the honor guard. That, and in Halo 2 the Arbiter learned the true prupose of the Halos.
 
[quote name='CocheseUGA']I hate when people try to compare different mediums of the same industry. 'Hey, McDonalds made $10M today, and Chili's made $20M.' That's about the arguement people are trying to make.

It's the highest grossing game. Period.[/QUOTE]
They're comparing it to movies because:

Its remarkable that any game would gross more than a movie on its opening day, let alone the highest grossing movie. Movies in particular are known for their huge revenues.

It gives legitimacy to the game industry to compare it to a more established medium.

It also provides a sense of scale, since this has far and away blown out of the water any other game's opening day.
 
[quote name='specialk']you know, if i didn't read it on every page of this thread...i'd have no idea you didn't like halo. but now i know...and knowing is half the battle.

anywho,
i'm really liking the new additions...taking awhile to get used to maps, weapons, powerups, etc. like i was in halo 2, but hey...i'm ok with that.[/QUOTE]


I still don't like the series in terms of story mainly... the story does not deserve much credit. as for multiplayer... thats the good part.
 
I played thru the story mode in Halo 2 and had no idea what was going on. I beat Halo 3 and I still dont get the finer points of the plot. By time I was on level 8 I just wanted the game to end.

And now that Ive beaten the story Im finding myself dreading going back thru and playing on coop with my friends, which is all they want to do now. I'd much rather play deathmatch and cap the flag and all that.

Yesterday my wife walked in on my playing deathmatch, and she looks at the screen for a few seconds and asks "Is that Unreal Tournament?" lol

So for me the story is weak, but I bought it for the multiplay, which is awesome. Well worth the $60 for all the play I will get out of it.
 
[quote name='RelentlessRolento']I still don't like the series in terms of story mainly... the story does not deserve much credit. as for multiplayer... thats the good part.[/quote]

If you beat it on Legendary and have played Marathon, you'd know Halo is a base for the most complicated story of any video-game ever.

Trust me. Master Chief and Cortana's connections with Marathon's main hero and villains and Guilty Spark 343 having the Marathon symbol.

It's just an amazing cluster-**** of information that even has a fan made java scripted database of information and emails from Bungie that date back to 1999 from "Cortana" saying creepy things like, she has seen sorrow and fallen soldiers and she will bring an end to pain and suffering.

Given that Halo 1-3 takes place 200 some odd years before Marathon's story, it's not hard to imagine there's some connection, especially when Bungie themselves admit to sometimes parallel connections between Marathon and Halo's story.
 
[quote name='NamelessMC']If you beat it on Legendary and have played Marathon, you'd know Halo is a base for the most complicated story of any video-game ever.

Trust me. Master Chief and Cortana's connections with Marathon's main hero and villains and Guilty Spark 343 having the Marathon symbol.

It's just an amazing cluster-**** of information that even has a fan made java scripted database of information and emails from Bungie that date back to 1999 from "Cortana" saying creepy things like, she has seen sorrow and fallen soldiers and she will bring an end to pain and suffering.

Given that Halo 1-3 takes place 200 some odd years before Marathon's story, it's not hard to imagine there's some connection, especially when Bungie themselves admit to sometimes parallel connections between Marathon and Halo's story.[/QUOTE]


even if there is depth to the story (and there is, heck, there's the books and marathon) the main problem is the way it's presented is pretty damn shallow IMHO. Bungie really needs to rework their storytelling... they can design a world and the things in it great, but playing out the story is probably their weakest skill.
 
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