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Exp, how it should be. With true skill, you could win 10 matches in a row and not rank up 1 level. I dont care if your a higher true skill than the the people you have beat.
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[quote name='matto1233']I apologize if this has been posted, but has there been any word on how the ranking system will work? I liked how in Halo 3 you could go down a rank if you played bad or if you quit, whereas I hate COD's, where your rank is really just a showing of how much you play.[/QUOTE]
Just to clear somethings up:
There is one playlist called Arena, which is the competitive playlist. This playlist will give you ranks, but not in the manner you were used to in Halo 3. Rather, you will be assigned a position in a division, and each division is representative of how good you are. If I remember correctly, there are 5 divisions. So one division would mean that you are apart of the top %5 of all Halo Arena players.
Arena rank is not solely based on winning, like it was on Halo 3. It takes into account how many kills you got, how many assists you helped out with, how many times you died, and if your team won. This means that people can't be boosted any more to a higher rank.
Another important thing to consider is that Arena is split into seasons. Arena ranks will reset at planned intervals to signify the ending of a season. What ever rank you have at the end of the Arena season is what goes down as your rank for the season, and yes, your rank is volatile during the entire season. It can go down, or up, depending on where you are relative to the halo community. Also, you will be able to compare your Arena career ranking to other players much like your would two baseball player cards.
As for trueskill, it isn't completely gone. It is still used in the matchmaking process for all the non-Arena games, but you just don't see the number. This helps minimize unfair games in Social playlists so that teams consisting of pros aren't matched up with extremely new players.
I hope that clears things up.
Just to clear somethings up:
There is one playlist called Arena, which is the competitive playlist. This playlist will give you ranks, but not in the manner you were used to in Halo 3. Rather, you will be assigned a position in a division, and each division is representative of how good you are. If I remember correctly, there are 5 divisions. So one division would mean that you are apart of the top %5 of all Halo Arena players.
Arena rank is not solely based on winning, like it was on Halo 3. It takes into account how many kills you got, how many assists you helped out with, how many times you died, and if your team won. This means that people can't be boosted any more to a higher rank.
Another important thing to consider is that Arena is split into seasons. Arena ranks will reset at planned intervals to signify the ending of a season. What ever rank you have at the end of the Arena season is what goes down as your rank for the season, and yes, your rank is volatile during the entire season. It can go down, or up, depending on where you are relative to the halo community. Also, you will be able to compare your Arena career ranking to other players much like your would two baseball player cards.
As for trueskill, it isn't completely gone. It is still used in the matchmaking process for all the non-Arena games, but you just don't see the number. This helps minimize unfair games in Social playlists so that teams consisting of pros aren't matched up with extremely new players.
I hope that clears things up.
Possibly OT, but would anyone in here be willing to help me get Recon in Halo 3? I need two more Vidmasters, and I can't find anyone to help me. I figured this would be a good place to ask. If anyone can help, post in this thread:
http://www.cheapassgamer.com/forums/showthread.php?t=267721
I just need Endurance and Deja Vu which both require four people. Please help me CAG, your my only hope!
http://www.cheapassgamer.com/forums/showthread.php?t=267721
I just need Endurance and Deja Vu which both require four people. Please help me CAG, your my only hope!
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As for trueskill, it isn't completely gone. It is still used in the matchmaking process for all the non-Arena games, but you just don't see the number. This helps minimize unfair games in Social playlists so that teams consisting of pros aren't matched up with extremely new players.
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I never quite understood the original line of thinking to set up the leveling system in such a manner. So player X is a level 45 in Lone Wolves but can hop over into team slayer matches and be a level 1 and just mow everyone down? That's 'effed up. Your highest level (no matter what mode) should be your level and it should be very, very difficult to de-level, if at all. So hopefully with the new EXP system in Reach it will alleviate some of those type players.
As for trueskill, it isn't completely gone. It is still used in the matchmaking process for all the non-Arena games, but you just don't see the number. This helps minimize unfair games in Social playlists so that teams consisting of pros aren't matched up with extremely new players.
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I never quite understood the original line of thinking to set up the leveling system in such a manner. So player X is a level 45 in Lone Wolves but can hop over into team slayer matches and be a level 1 and just mow everyone down? That's 'effed up. Your highest level (no matter what mode) should be your level and it should be very, very difficult to de-level, if at all. So hopefully with the new EXP system in Reach it will alleviate some of those type players.
[quote name='Mr Dude65']Possibly OT, but would anyone in here be willing to help me get Recon in Halo 3? I need two more Vidmasters, and I can't find anyone to help me. I figured this would be a good place to ask. If anyone can help, post in this thread:
http://www.cheapassgamer.com/forums/showthread.php?t=267721
I just need Endurance and Deja Vu which both require four people. Please help me CAG, your my only hope![/QUOTE]
I need them as well and I can see if any of the other Ragtag CAG's would like it as well.
http://www.cheapassgamer.com/forums/showthread.php?t=267721
I just need Endurance and Deja Vu which both require four people. Please help me CAG, your my only hope![/QUOTE]
I need them as well and I can see if any of the other Ragtag CAG's would like it as well.
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I'd be willing to help some with the Halo 3 achievements, but I'm not sure if I'm going to be around this weekend. If things get delayed or something let me know. If I'm around I'll let you know too.
[quote name='Corvin']I never quite understood the original line of thinking to set up the leveling system in such a manner. So player X is a level 45 in Lone Wolves but can hop over into team slayer matches and be a level 1 and just mow everyone down? That's 'effed up. Your highest level (no matter what mode) should be your level and it should be very, very difficult to de-level, if at all. So hopefully with the new EXP system in Reach it will alleviate some of those type players.[/QUOTE]
I can see why that might be frustrating to you, but think about it in terms of the fact that if someone is good at lone wolves, it doesn't necessarily mean they will be as good at Team Slayer, or an objective oriented playlist (as the fundamental skills learned in Lone Wolves are entirely different then those necessary in a playlist that requires team work.)
Now, is the system perfect? No, not really, since the level 45 in lone wolves will at least have a better grasp on the game as a whole than a level 1 but the TrueSkill rank won't stay at the level 1 level for long, and if the level 45 player is winning all his matches, then it shouldn't be a problem for him to level up.
Personally, my favorite ranking system was that of Halo 2, in which you could see your number, and then you could also see your EXP bar online to see about how much more exp you needed to rank up in that particular playlist.
I also liked Halo 3's ranking system in the first 6 months of the games release since ranks were somewhat volatile, however with the trueskill system in Halo 3, the more you played, the less your rank moved. Essentially, anyone who played for more than a year was ranked locked! This caused a whole mess of new accounts and deleveling, which really became a burden on the game. So although Arena is far from a perfect solution, it does make some critical advances. However, I still don't understand why we couldn't have had BOTH ranking systems in different playlists, and every once in a while reset the number ranks, just like they would do in Halo 2.
I can see why that might be frustrating to you, but think about it in terms of the fact that if someone is good at lone wolves, it doesn't necessarily mean they will be as good at Team Slayer, or an objective oriented playlist (as the fundamental skills learned in Lone Wolves are entirely different then those necessary in a playlist that requires team work.)
Now, is the system perfect? No, not really, since the level 45 in lone wolves will at least have a better grasp on the game as a whole than a level 1 but the TrueSkill rank won't stay at the level 1 level for long, and if the level 45 player is winning all his matches, then it shouldn't be a problem for him to level up.
Personally, my favorite ranking system was that of Halo 2, in which you could see your number, and then you could also see your EXP bar online to see about how much more exp you needed to rank up in that particular playlist.
I also liked Halo 3's ranking system in the first 6 months of the games release since ranks were somewhat volatile, however with the trueskill system in Halo 3, the more you played, the less your rank moved. Essentially, anyone who played for more than a year was ranked locked! This caused a whole mess of new accounts and deleveling, which really became a burden on the game. So although Arena is far from a perfect solution, it does make some critical advances. However, I still don't understand why we couldn't have had BOTH ranking systems in different playlists, and every once in a while reset the number ranks, just like they would do in Halo 2.
[quote name='help1']I can see why that might be frustrating to you, but think about it in terms of the fact that if someone is good at lone wolves, it doesn't necessarily mean they will be as good at Team Slayer, or an objective oriented playlist (as the fundamental skills learned in Lone Wolves are entirely different then those necessary in a playlist that requires team work.)[/QUOTE]
I get the reasoning behind it and it makes valid sense... on paper. In three years of practice though, I don't think it works as a whole. Well, at this point everyone is settled into whatever skill level they are, so it's kinda moot, but anyway...
I'm going to assume you meant Team Objective and not Slayer since there aren't many skills required for team vs. solo Slayer other than sticking together, even that is an arbitrary skill if you are looking at a 45 vs. a 5.
Even in Objective matches someone with a much higher grasp of the weapons, shot selection, knowing every nook and cranny of the map, weapon spawn points/timing, and the like has a distinct advantage that supersedes whatever team game you are playing, IMO. A 45 may not be good at working together to grab a flag or plant a bomb (the theory on paper), but he certainly can play point and just take out enemy combatants letting his team do all the legwork for a given objective. Granted that is a valid 'job' for a team of equals, but being a much higher level throws things off balance.
I get the reasoning behind it and it makes valid sense... on paper. In three years of practice though, I don't think it works as a whole. Well, at this point everyone is settled into whatever skill level they are, so it's kinda moot, but anyway...
I'm going to assume you meant Team Objective and not Slayer since there aren't many skills required for team vs. solo Slayer other than sticking together, even that is an arbitrary skill if you are looking at a 45 vs. a 5.
Even in Objective matches someone with a much higher grasp of the weapons, shot selection, knowing every nook and cranny of the map, weapon spawn points/timing, and the like has a distinct advantage that supersedes whatever team game you are playing, IMO. A 45 may not be good at working together to grab a flag or plant a bomb (the theory on paper), but he certainly can play point and just take out enemy combatants letting his team do all the legwork for a given objective. Granted that is a valid 'job' for a team of equals, but being a much higher level throws things off balance.
which reminds me of everytime my friends and I beat a team on objective ever since halo2 there is always that one guy who talks trash saying "lets do 1vs1 slayer and see who wins." Except that 1vs1 is not the same as a team objective game, objective games require teamwork, knowing the map inside and out for flag and bomb captures, and a lot of communication.
[quote name='Corvin']I get the reasoning behind it and it makes valid sense... on paper. In three years of practice though, I don't think it works as a whole. Well, at this point everyone is settled into whatever skill level they are, so it's kinda moot, but anyway...
I'm going to assume you meant Team Objective and not Slayer since there aren't many skills required for team vs. solo Slayer other than sticking together, even that is an arbitrary skill if you are looking at a 45 vs. a 5.
Even in Objective matches someone with a much higher grasp of the weapons, shot selection, knowing every nook and cranny of the map, weapon spawn points/timing, and the like has a distinct advantage that supersedes whatever team game you are playing, IMO. A 45 may not be good at working together to grab a flag or plant a bomb (the theory on paper), but he certainly can play point and just take out enemy combatants letting his team do all the legwork for a given objective. Granted that is a valid 'job' for a team of equals, but being a much higher level throws things off balance.[/QUOTE]
All valid points. And yea, I meant Team Objective, haha
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Personally, my favorite ranking system would have been to have 3 or 4 month seasons that go to up to level 50. Essentially it would be Arena with more levels and longer seasons. But I suppose that wouldn't be fair to the real level 1-15 players, who would get pummeled for a week or two every 3 or 4 months, haha.
I'm going to assume you meant Team Objective and not Slayer since there aren't many skills required for team vs. solo Slayer other than sticking together, even that is an arbitrary skill if you are looking at a 45 vs. a 5.
Even in Objective matches someone with a much higher grasp of the weapons, shot selection, knowing every nook and cranny of the map, weapon spawn points/timing, and the like has a distinct advantage that supersedes whatever team game you are playing, IMO. A 45 may not be good at working together to grab a flag or plant a bomb (the theory on paper), but he certainly can play point and just take out enemy combatants letting his team do all the legwork for a given objective. Granted that is a valid 'job' for a team of equals, but being a much higher level throws things off balance.[/QUOTE]
All valid points. And yea, I meant Team Objective, haha
.Personally, my favorite ranking system would have been to have 3 or 4 month seasons that go to up to level 50. Essentially it would be Arena with more levels and longer seasons. But I suppose that wouldn't be fair to the real level 1-15 players, who would get pummeled for a week or two every 3 or 4 months, haha.
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http://arstechnica.com/gaming/news/...rosoft-to-release-400-halo-reach-xbox-360.ars
$400, silver colored, includes 2 Halo Reach wireless controllers, standard edition of Halo Reach.
No pics as of yet.
$400, silver colored, includes 2 Halo Reach wireless controllers, standard edition of Halo Reach.
No pics as of yet.
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If the controller that leaked out is any indication of what it will look like, this thing is going to look 
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Supposedly, this is the "original" article with the info on the Halo Reach 360 S:
http://www.haloreachtips.net/haloreachnews/comic-con-exclusive-halo-reach-themed-360-bundle
Though, the author of this article screams that he's a giant PITA.
http://www.haloreachtips.net/haloreachnews/comic-con-exclusive-halo-reach-themed-360-bundle
Though, the author of this article screams that he's a giant PITA.
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I know its a small image, but it doesn't look as cool as I had expected. The black one looks way cooler in comparison.
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It's not about Masterchief this time.
New ViDoc and Halo Reach 360 video:
http://www.bungie.net/projects/reach/vidaudio.aspx
http://www.bungie.net/projects/reach/vidaudio.aspx
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I wonder why they decided to sell it with a standard copy of Halo Reach. I mean they already throwing in the Elite armor with the bundle why not just through in the custom edition with it. I guess to try and save cost.
Anyways, back to Reach, Forge World is so awesome. Check out the vidoc in post above, it is amazing.
Anyways, back to Reach, Forge World is so awesome. Check out the vidoc in post above, it is amazing.
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For sure picking up the console and the legendary edition
You can watch the unboxing video for all the items on halo waypoint
You can watch the unboxing video for all the items on halo waypoint
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Legendary edition and the system are officially pre-ordered. Halo and my wallet do not get along :lol:
All the info out today about Firefight sounds so awesome. I wasn't expecting much since I found it somewhat boring in ODST, but they're really going all out for Reach. Firefight vs. in particular sounds great.
All the info out today about Firefight sounds so awesome. I wasn't expecting much since I found it somewhat boring in ODST, but they're really going all out for Reach. Firefight vs. in particular sounds great.
Found this on twitter
http://www.amazon.com/Xbox-360-250G..._3?s=videogames&ie=UTF8&qid=1279857180&sr=1-3
Not sure if that will be the final art on the box
http://www.amazon.com/Xbox-360-250G..._3?s=videogames&ie=UTF8&qid=1279857180&sr=1-3
Not sure if that will be the final art on the box
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Unboxing of the limited and legendary editions, along with the Reach Limited Edition 360 S console: http://kotaku.com/5594344/unboxing-halo-reachs-games-and-console
Of special note, the legendary edition is ENORMOUS.
Of special note, the legendary edition is ENORMOUS.
This game has already made me broke... 2x legendary editions, one for me one for my brothers birthday suprise. The money to ship his to him once i get it from amazon. Now the Special Xbox.... Plus im sure I will spend more money on crap at the midnight launch which gamestop is sure to have. Its becoming a game of pay for school or go play halo. This is pathetic, damn addictions.
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[quote name='Rhippo']This game has already made me broke... 2x legendary editions, one for me one for my brothers birthday suprise. The money to ship his to him once i get it from amazon. Now the Special Xbox.... Plus im sure I will spend more money on crap at the midnight launch which gamestop is sure to have. Its becoming a game of pay for school or go play halo. This is pathetic, damn addictions.[/QUOTE]
:lol: I know what you mean. I'm almost $600 in with the console + legendary edition.
:lol: I know what you mean. I'm almost $600 in with the console + legendary edition.
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[quote name='Rhippo']This game has already made me broke... 2x legendary editions, one for me one for my brothers birthday suprise. The money to ship his to him once i get it from amazon. Now the Special Xbox.... Plus im sure I will spend more money on crap at the midnight launch which gamestop is sure to have. Its becoming a game of pay for school or go play halo. This is pathetic, damn addictions.[/QUOTE]
You could always ship it straight from amazon to your brothers house for free, couldnt you?
You could always ship it straight from amazon to your brothers house for free, couldnt you?
[quote name='Fjordson']:lol: I know what you mean. I'm almost $600 in with the console + legendary edition.[/QUOTE]
Ya im already around $700 in debt and the game is still 7 weeks out or something. Thank god amazon doesnt hax that annoying tax issue. What will be really expensive is the gift and dinners im going to have to buy my girlfriend to stay out of trouble for vanishing for a month once this game comes out.
Ya im already around $700 in debt and the game is still 7 weeks out or something. Thank god amazon doesnt hax that annoying tax issue. What will be really expensive is the gift and dinners im going to have to buy my girlfriend to stay out of trouble for vanishing for a month once this game comes out.
I know they keep saying the Legendary edition will be rare, but I just can't justify the purchase of this Legendary Edition after being massively ripped off the last time around. The statue is so freaking sexy though!
And that Ivory Tower remake is BEAUTIFUL.
Link for those who haven't seen it:
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=22516829&postcount=268
And that Ivory Tower remake is BEAUTIFUL.
Link for those who haven't seen it:
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=22516829&postcount=268
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The fact that the LE has yet to be sold out anywhere seems like enough evidence to say its not that' rare.
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Ivory tower, so much fun in Halo 2, can't wait for it.
So much more is included in this Legendary edition than the Halo 3 one. A lot of in-game armors, Oni module, the notes of the doctor who created the Spartan program and the statues looksing sick. Way more worth than what you got in Halo 3
http://www.bungie.net/projects/reach/vidaudio.aspx?c=58&i=27383http://www.bungie.net/projects/reach/vidaudio.aspx?c=58&i=27383
So much more is included in this Legendary edition than the Halo 3 one. A lot of in-game armors, Oni module, the notes of the doctor who created the Spartan program and the statues looks
ing sick. Way more worth than what you got in Halo 3http://www.bungie.net/projects/reach/vidaudio.aspx?c=58&i=27383http://www.bungie.net/projects/reach/vidaudio.aspx?c=58&i=27383
[quote name='help1']I know they keep saying the Legendary edition will be rare, but I just can't justify the purchase of this Legendary Edition after being massively ripped off the last time around. The statue is so freaking sexy though!
And that Ivory Tower remake is BEAUTIFUL.
Link for those who haven't seen it:
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=22516829&postcount=268[/QUOTE]
Dang, Ivory Tower looks great. Kinda reminds of BioShock a little.
And that Ivory Tower remake is BEAUTIFUL.
Link for those who haven't seen it:
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=22516829&postcount=268[/QUOTE]
Dang, Ivory Tower looks great. Kinda reminds of BioShock a little.
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[quote name='Mr Dude65']That doesn't make any sense at all. People were ordering the ME2 CE up to two weeks before it released.[/QUOTE]
And I'd hazard to guess that everyone got their copies.
My point is that actual RARE editions eventually sell out of pre-orders. Right now, they're looking at pre-order numbers and will match accordingly to match those numbers and will probably produce X amount more to meet the remaining demand. And I'm also willing to bet that the X amount more for the remaining demand will be some absurd number. The fact that they're willing to match pre-orders doesn't tell me its rare. Actual rare editions are when publishers come out and say, "hey, we're only making X number of copies of this, so get it while you can"
And I'd hazard to guess that everyone got their copies.
My point is that actual RARE editions eventually sell out of pre-orders. Right now, they're looking at pre-order numbers and will match accordingly to match those numbers and will probably produce X amount more to meet the remaining demand. And I'm also willing to bet that the X amount more for the remaining demand will be some absurd number. The fact that they're willing to match pre-orders doesn't tell me its rare. Actual rare editions are when publishers come out and say, "hey, we're only making X number of copies of this, so get it while you can"
[quote name='A Happy Panda']And I'd hazard to guess that everyone got their copies.
My point is that actual RARE editions eventually sell out of pre-orders. Right now, they're looking at pre-order numbers and will match accordingly to match those numbers and will probably produce X amount more to meet the remaining demand. And I'm also willing to bet that the X amount more for the remaining demand will be some absurd number. The fact that they're willing to match pre-orders doesn't tell me its rare. Actual rare editions are when publishers come out and say, "hey, we're only making X number of copies of this, so get it while you can"[/QUOTE]
I'm sorry, but I don't follow your first statement. Either way, I believe whole-heartedly that these will be limited. Maybe not "If you don't preorder a month ahead, you won't get one" limited, but I bet that you won't see anyone THINK about lowering the price on them below $150. If you're confident that you can get one for $20 a year from now, fine. I am not, and so I have had mine preordered since April.
My point is that actual RARE editions eventually sell out of pre-orders. Right now, they're looking at pre-order numbers and will match accordingly to match those numbers and will probably produce X amount more to meet the remaining demand. And I'm also willing to bet that the X amount more for the remaining demand will be some absurd number. The fact that they're willing to match pre-orders doesn't tell me its rare. Actual rare editions are when publishers come out and say, "hey, we're only making X number of copies of this, so get it while you can"[/QUOTE]
I'm sorry, but I don't follow your first statement. Either way, I believe whole-heartedly that these will be limited. Maybe not "If you don't preorder a month ahead, you won't get one" limited, but I bet that you won't see anyone THINK about lowering the price on them below $150. If you're confident that you can get one for $20 a year from now, fine. I am not, and so I have had mine preordered since April.
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[quote name='Mr Dude65']I'm sorry, but I don't follow your first statement. Either way, I believe whole-heartedly that these will be limited. Maybe not "If you don't preorder a month ahead, you won't get one" limited, but I bet that you won't see anyone THINK about lowering the price on them below $150. If you're confident that you can get one for $20 a year from now, fine. I am not, and so I have had mine preordered since April.[/QUOTE]
First statement was in reference to ME2:CE. It was pretty rare for awhile, but new copies on eBay go for around what it retailed for, $79.99 or so, so even that's not that rare.
First statement was in reference to ME2:CE. It was pretty rare for awhile, but new copies on eBay go for around what it retailed for, $79.99 or so, so even that's not that rare.
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[quote name='Mr Dude65']I'm sorry, but I don't follow your first statement. Either way, I believe whole-heartedly that these will be limited. Maybe not "If you don't preorder a month ahead, you won't get one" limited, but I bet that you won't see anyone THINK about lowering the price on them below $150. If you're confident that you can get one for $20 a year from now, fine. I am not, and so I have had mine preordered since April.[/QUOTE]
Disregarding the possible overproduction, the legendary edition boxes are massively big. If they do overproduce, retailers are going to be dropping prices quite low at some point to clear shelf space. The legendary edition has to be one of the largest collector's edition games ever produced.
I'd like the legendary edition, but I'm not going to pony up a ton of money for one. Right now I've got a pre-order for the standard edition at Gamestop for $45 + $20 coupon, with bonus armor DLC. I'll keep that edition and then just sell it off if I manage to find a really cheap (i.e. $50ish) legendary edition six months after release.
Disregarding the possible overproduction, the legendary edition boxes are massively big. If they do overproduce, retailers are going to be dropping prices quite low at some point to clear shelf space. The legendary edition has to be one of the largest collector's edition games ever produced.
I'd like the legendary edition, but I'm not going to pony up a ton of money for one. Right now I've got a pre-order for the standard edition at Gamestop for $45 + $20 coupon, with bonus armor DLC. I'll keep that edition and then just sell it off if I manage to find a really cheap (i.e. $50ish) legendary edition six months after release.
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