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I thought Bubastis fit in with the Egyptian mythos they used as the tone with Veidt.
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I saw the movie courtesy of the Best Buy promotion on Saturday, and I can say that I was genuinely impressed! I had no prior knowledge of the comic, but the story sucked me right in! 8/10
[quote name='Mojimbo']What was the explanation in the book?[/QUOTE]
The book has dialogue to the effect that his detachment from human perspective increased over time and not having any functional need for clothing and lacking the cultural inhibition meant clothes were just an annoyance he'd put on only when begged to for public appearances such as The Comedian's funeral.
This plays a part in the ending where he assents to not expose Ozymandia's scheme, even going so far as to kill Rorschach to keep him silent. He'd likely have killed Dan and Laurie as well if they'd sided with Rorschach. For Doc, this was a matter of 'what is done is done' combined with increased inability to feel empathy for humans in general. Another hint is his failure to provide a breathable atmosphere on Mars until after he saw Laurie in severe mortal distress and realized what he should have done before bringing her there.
Doc has an excuse. He isn't human. At all. He is something far beyond who can barely relate to his memories of being John Osterman, choosing to have a largely human appearance and still enjoying sex on an instinctive level. At the end he makes a remark about still having an interest in human life and will perhaps make some of his own when he finds someplace else in the universe to make his home. His ongoing interest in sex may be a large part of it. He'll finally be free to take on a Zeus-like godhood in every respect, including occasionally descending from Olympus in disguise to score a hot babe.
But what is Ozymandia's excuse? He is entirely human with no special abilities beyond his intellect. Yet this was a guy who thought the solution to crime in his youth was to put on a funny costume and go out at night to beat up people. At some conscious level he had to be aware that he could achieve far more by applying his mind to creative endeavors that would drive economic prosperity and lessen human ills.
Despite his immense intelligence something is deeply wrong with Adrian Veidt. He gives up the vigilante game when force to by Congressional edict but instead moves on to fixing the world on a far grander scale and with not just criminals sacrificed but complete innocents.
Ozymandias is every bit as insane as Rorschach, just in different ways. Rorschach is capable of incredible brutality but maintains an exact definition of who can be hurt and who must be protected. Rorschach is no genius but his moral intelligence is fully functional. Ozy doesn't really care about people. The motivation for his conspiracy is to preserve the world in which he lives, not his fellow inhabitants. Thus a casualty count in the millions is not a problem if it gets the job done.
The book has dialogue to the effect that his detachment from human perspective increased over time and not having any functional need for clothing and lacking the cultural inhibition meant clothes were just an annoyance he'd put on only when begged to for public appearances such as The Comedian's funeral.
This plays a part in the ending where he assents to not expose Ozymandia's scheme, even going so far as to kill Rorschach to keep him silent. He'd likely have killed Dan and Laurie as well if they'd sided with Rorschach. For Doc, this was a matter of 'what is done is done' combined with increased inability to feel empathy for humans in general. Another hint is his failure to provide a breathable atmosphere on Mars until after he saw Laurie in severe mortal distress and realized what he should have done before bringing her there.
Doc has an excuse. He isn't human. At all. He is something far beyond who can barely relate to his memories of being John Osterman, choosing to have a largely human appearance and still enjoying sex on an instinctive level. At the end he makes a remark about still having an interest in human life and will perhaps make some of his own when he finds someplace else in the universe to make his home. His ongoing interest in sex may be a large part of it. He'll finally be free to take on a Zeus-like godhood in every respect, including occasionally descending from Olympus in disguise to score a hot babe.
But what is Ozymandia's excuse? He is entirely human with no special abilities beyond his intellect. Yet this was a guy who thought the solution to crime in his youth was to put on a funny costume and go out at night to beat up people. At some conscious level he had to be aware that he could achieve far more by applying his mind to creative endeavors that would drive economic prosperity and lessen human ills.
Despite his immense intelligence something is deeply wrong with Adrian Veidt. He gives up the vigilante game when force to by Congressional edict but instead moves on to fixing the world on a far grander scale and with not just criminals sacrificed but complete innocents.
Ozymandias is every bit as insane as Rorschach, just in different ways. Rorschach is capable of incredible brutality but maintains an exact definition of who can be hurt and who must be protected. Rorschach is no genius but his moral intelligence is fully functional. Ozy doesn't really care about people. The motivation for his conspiracy is to preserve the world in which he lives, not his fellow inhabitants. Thus a casualty count in the millions is not a problem if it gets the job done.
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I must say the most violent part of this movie is simply seeing Dr. Manhattan naked for the 564th time. sheesh the other 563 times were ok but that last one really disturbed me.
on a side note. I finally completely understand why women complain about a lot of nudity scenes now.
on a side note. I finally completely understand why women complain about a lot of nudity scenes now.
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Can anyone explain that tiger thing at the end. They just
within a few minutes.
Introduced it and Killed it
[quote name='Layziebones']Can anyone explain that tiger thing at the end. They just
within a few minutes.[/QUOTE]
Introduced it and Killed it
In the book, Ozymandias teleported a giant squid into the city, which exploded and killed a bunch of people. Bubastis was a by product of experimenting on that monster, I believe.
[quote name='DarkKenpachi']I must say the most violent part of this movie is simply seeing Dr. Manhattan naked for the 564th time. sheesh the other 563 times were ok but that last one really disturbed me.
on a side note. I finally completely understand why women complain about a lot of nudity scenes now.[/quote]
what was so disturbing about the last time he was naked... i dont even remember what was different?
on a side note. I finally completely understand why women complain about a lot of nudity scenes now.[/quote]
what was so disturbing about the last time he was naked... i dont even remember what was different?
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I thought it was good. No prior experience with the comic.
I liked Veidt. He was the most intriguing character IMO. And I love the part where
I liked Veidt. He was the most intriguing character IMO. And I love the part where
he knocks the guy out that's trying to assasinate him. Seen it in the trailer but it was cooler in context.
[quote name='Layziebones']Can anyone explain that tiger thing at the end. They just
within a few minutes.[/QUOTE]
In the book, it's his frist proof that he can modify genetics in living matter to make a new species. Kinda like Dolly the sheep.
The only minor problems I had with it was Dr Manhattan didn't have his final speech talk with Ozymandias and he didn't deliver the "Nothing ever ends" line.
And that I think they left out the line Dr Manhattan saying "But the world is so full of people, so crowded with these miracles that they become commonplace and we forget". I know they paraphrased it but I don't feel it had the same feeling.
I really like that line because, it reminds me that it is a freaking Miracle any of us are here. So many things could have gone differently or wrong it's amazing anything works or anyone is able to find happyness. Let alone find happyness with another person.
Edit: I just remembered on more thing. I'm pretty sure Sally Jupiter didn't kiss the picture frame in the end of the movie like she did in the book.
Introduced it and Killed it
In the book, it's his frist proof that he can modify genetics in living matter to make a new species. Kinda like Dolly the sheep.
The only minor problems I had with it was Dr Manhattan didn't have his final speech talk with Ozymandias and he didn't deliver the "Nothing ever ends" line.
And that I think they left out the line Dr Manhattan saying "But the world is so full of people, so crowded with these miracles that they become commonplace and we forget". I know they paraphrased it but I don't feel it had the same feeling.
I really like that line because, it reminds me that it is a freaking Miracle any of us are here. So many things could have gone differently or wrong it's amazing anything works or anyone is able to find happyness. Let alone find happyness with another person.
Edit: I just remembered on more thing. I'm pretty sure Sally Jupiter didn't kiss the picture frame in the end of the movie like she did in the book.
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[quote name='JadedJedi']Here;s something I noticed : The actress who played Silk Spectre looked just like Morgan Webb and Nite Owl reminded me of Wombat.[/QUOTE]
creepy.
creepy.
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[quote name='billyrox']what was so disturbing about the last time he was naked... i dont even remember what was different?[/quote]
I just felt like Dr. Manhattan had visually raped me. When we left the theater I got in the car and cried all the way home.
I just felt like Dr. Manhattan had visually raped me. When we left the theater I got in the car and cried all the way home.
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[quote name='HotShotX']Ok dude, not every large, round, brown object is Wombat. Get over it. 
~HotShotX[/quote]
He was no where near the large, roundness of even his comic book form. Best lesser human attribute they could give him was a limp penis.
[quote name='DarkKenpachi']I just felt like Dr. Manhattan had visually raped me. When we left the theater I got in the car and cried all the way home.
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Did you have the taste of batteries in your mouth?
~HotShotX[/quote]
He was no where near the large, roundness of even his comic book form. Best lesser human attribute they could give him was a limp penis.
[quote name='DarkKenpachi']I just felt like Dr. Manhattan had visually raped me. When we left the theater I got in the car and cried all the way home.
[/quote]Did you have the taste of batteries in your mouth?
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I wasn't familiar with the comic and I didn't really know much about the story, except a few bits I read on-line just to get a sence of the movie.
I have to say the movie sucked. It was really bad. It was hard for me to stay in my seat, and we (my wife and I) were thinking about leaving.
It started out good, but the plot just kept going in circles for about 2 hours. Not very enjoyable unless you care about the characters, which the movie did not do for me, except Rorschach. It seems like most of you were already fond of these characters and were excited to see them on the big screen. I didn't care about Silk Spectre or Night Owl, their scenes were extremely boring, Their characters picked up steam towards the end, but fizzled out.
Understand I didn't know the entire plot going into seeing it just very little. We didn't know what the point of the movie was until the last 15 minutes, and it was obvious that Ozymandias was the villain. We knew they were trying to avoid nuclear destruction, but it's very vague and weird, but as I've read it follows the novel really well, which is fine, but I'm going to see a movie, and I wanted to be entertained. It was cool how it all connected, but like I said it was too little too late.
Honestly I really wanted to like the movie. There were a few cool scenes and I like Rorschachs character, and his back story was interesting. Too much vague dialogue, and not enough action. I liked the style of the movie, but the story moved at such a slow pace it was hard to sit through.
This is my opinion, and again I didn't follow the novel and didn't know much about The Watchmen.
I have to say the movie sucked. It was really bad. It was hard for me to stay in my seat, and we (my wife and I) were thinking about leaving.
It started out good, but the plot just kept going in circles for about 2 hours. Not very enjoyable unless you care about the characters, which the movie did not do for me, except Rorschach. It seems like most of you were already fond of these characters and were excited to see them on the big screen. I didn't care about Silk Spectre or Night Owl, their scenes were extremely boring, Their characters picked up steam towards the end, but fizzled out.
Understand I didn't know the entire plot going into seeing it just very little. We didn't know what the point of the movie was until the last 15 minutes, and it was obvious that Ozymandias was the villain. We knew they were trying to avoid nuclear destruction, but it's very vague and weird, but as I've read it follows the novel really well, which is fine, but I'm going to see a movie, and I wanted to be entertained. It was cool how it all connected, but like I said it was too little too late.
Honestly I really wanted to like the movie. There were a few cool scenes and I like Rorschachs character, and his back story was interesting. Too much vague dialogue, and not enough action. I liked the style of the movie, but the story moved at such a slow pace it was hard to sit through.
This is my opinion, and again I didn't follow the novel and didn't know much about The Watchmen.
[quote name='darthbudge']Yeah, did they even mention the name Bubastis in it?[/QUOTE]
[quote name='Sofa King Kool']Nope. Ozymandias' said "Forgive me girl" as opposed to the original line.[/QUOTE]
I'm almost positive he said Bubastis' name when he was walking up the stairs after killing all the people who worked with him (which was the first time the cat was shown).
Not a lot to add to this, other than it was kind of strange seeing a comic book movie that followed the book that closely. Usually people bitch that it's not true to the source material...this movie was almost to a fault. Was worth seeing for sure though. Saw it with friends who hadn't read the book and they seemed to enjoy it enough.
[quote name='Sofa King Kool']Nope. Ozymandias' said "Forgive me girl" as opposed to the original line.[/QUOTE]
I'm almost positive he said Bubastis' name when he was walking up the stairs after killing all the people who worked with him (which was the first time the cat was shown).
Not a lot to add to this, other than it was kind of strange seeing a comic book movie that followed the book that closely. Usually people bitch that it's not true to the source material...this movie was almost to a fault. Was worth seeing for sure though. Saw it with friends who hadn't read the book and they seemed to enjoy it enough.
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[quote name='Nathan_Sama']it was better than the dark knight, thats for sure[/QUOTE]
i dunno about that. Heath made that role shine as the joker and it was just as sinister in its own sense.
personally i liked them both equally.
i dunno about that. Heath made that role shine as the joker and it was just as sinister in its own sense.
personally i liked them both equally.
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This really nerdy kid in my class today wouldn't stop shouting, "ALL WATCHMEN IS - IS BIG BLUE PENISS!!!! 20 MINUTES OF BLUE PENIS" So annoying.
[quote name='integralsmatic']i dunno about that. Heath made that role shine as the joker and it was just as sinister in its own sense.
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That's the problem, I loved him as Joker, but honestly, I
ing *hate* batman, I watch the movies for the villains. They kick ass, batman, unless it is Adam West, not so much.
[/quote]
That's the problem, I loved him as Joker, but honestly, I
ing *hate* batman, I watch the movies for the villains. They kick ass, batman, unless it is Adam West, not so much.
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i really enjoyed it as well. the one thing that i left the theater asking was:
Where was rorschach possibly thinking of going to when he first exited the frozen base? He acted like he was going to walk back.
and
Was it really necessary to kill rorschach? The world viewed him as a psycho and weirdo anyway. Would the world really believe what he had to say? Why not let Ozy discredit him or something instead of blowing him apart? it just seemed...unnecessary.
otherewise, i really liked the movie and i definately plan on getting a blu ray
Where was rorschach possibly thinking of going to when he first exited the frozen base? He acted like he was going to walk back.
and
Was it really necessary to kill rorschach? The world viewed him as a psycho and weirdo anyway. Would the world really believe what he had to say? Why not let Ozy discredit him or something instead of blowing him apart? it just seemed...unnecessary.
otherewise, i really liked the movie and i definately plan on getting a blu ray
[quote name='supermodestmouse']i really enjoyed it as well. the one thing that i left the theater asking was:
Where was rorschach possibly thinking of going to when he first exited the frozen base? He acted like he was going to walk back.
and
Was it really necessary to kill rorschach? The world viewed him as a psycho and weirdo anyway. Would the world really believe what he had to say? Why not let Ozy discredit him or something instead of blowing him apart? it just seemed...unnecessary.
otherewise, i really liked the movie and i definately plan on getting a blu ray[/quote]
the other thing is why not kill Ozy anyway? Dont tell the world but kill him cuz he killed so many people?
Where was rorschach possibly thinking of going to when he first exited the frozen base? He acted like he was going to walk back.
and
Was it really necessary to kill rorschach? The world viewed him as a psycho and weirdo anyway. Would the world really believe what he had to say? Why not let Ozy discredit him or something instead of blowing him apart? it just seemed...unnecessary.
otherewise, i really liked the movie and i definately plan on getting a blu ray
[/quote]the other thing is why not kill Ozy anyway? Dont tell the world but kill him cuz he killed so many people?
[quote name='supermodestmouse']Where was rorschach possibly thinking of going to when he first exited the frozen base? He acted like he was going to walk back. [/quote]
I imagine he was going to fire up Archie and head somewhere.
With the world's smartest and richest man going missing (not to mention the guy behind the reconstruction of the cities), don't you think they'd notice? They could play it off as he died in the explosion, I suppose..
I imagine he was going to fire up Archie and head somewhere.
They didn't want to take that chance, especially since Night Owl and Miss Jupiter could back up Rorschach's story. He was pretty much a demonstration to Night Owl and Miss Jupiter.
With the world's smartest and richest man going missing (not to mention the guy behind the reconstruction of the cities), don't you think they'd notice? They could play it off as he died in the explosion, I suppose..
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With the world's smartest and richest man going missing (not to mention the guy behind the reconstruction of the cities), don't you think they'd notice? They could play it off as he died in the explosion, I suppose..[/quote]
that was one thing that i didn't like. I think it would have been easy to kill him w/o the world knowing in retribution for the deaths he caused. It left a bad taste knowing he was still alive for what he did.
Leaving Ozy alive was warped logic- its kinda like saying Hitler united most of the world by killing a ton of people, so lets let him live! i mean still kill the bastard, the world doesn't need to know.
With the world's smartest and richest man going missing (not to mention the guy behind the reconstruction of the cities), don't you think they'd notice? They could play it off as he died in the explosion, I suppose..[/quote]
that was one thing that i didn't like. I think it would have been easy to kill him w/o the world knowing in retribution for the deaths he caused. It left a bad taste knowing he was still alive for what he did.
Leaving Ozy alive was warped logic- its kinda like saying Hitler united most of the world by killing a ton of people, so lets let him live! i mean still kill the bastard, the world doesn't need to know.
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Yes, Rorschach was going back to Archie.
They don't leave Adrian alive to "reward" him for what he did. They really had no choice. Who was going to kill him? Physically, he was far superior to everyone, except for Dr. Manhattan. And in the book, Manhattan's motives for leaving Adrian alive make a little more sense...
They don't leave Adrian alive to "reward" him for what he did. They really had no choice. Who was going to kill him? Physically, he was far superior to everyone, except for Dr. Manhattan. And in the book, Manhattan's motives for leaving Adrian alive make a little more sense...
...Manhattan and Adrian have a final conversation together. Despite his original enthusiasm over apparently saving the world, Veidt asks Manhattan if he did the right thing "in the end." And this is where Manhattan says, "Nothing ever ends." Before Adrian can ask what he means by this, Manhattan has disappeared, leaving behind some smoke rising off a sphere, which looks similar to a mushroom cloud rising from a globe. The last we see of Adrian, he looks distraught. So, rather than kill him, Manhattan leaves Adrian with the realization that he may have murdered milliions and not truly saved the world, after all.
[quote name='bigdaddybruce44']Yes, Rorschach was going back to Archie.
They don't leave Adrian alive to "reward" him for what he did. They really had no choice. Who was going to kill him? Physically, he was far superior to everyone, except for Dr. Manhattan. And in the book, Manhattan's motives for leaving Adrian alive make a little more sense...
[/quote]
oh wow... yeah,... now thats a great ending.. thank you
They don't leave Adrian alive to "reward" him for what he did. They really had no choice. Who was going to kill him? Physically, he was far superior to everyone, except for Dr. Manhattan. And in the book, Manhattan's motives for leaving Adrian alive make a little more sense...
...Manhattan and Adrian have a final conversation together. Despite his original enthusiasm over apparently saving the world, Veidt asks Manhattan if he did the right thing "in the end." And this is where Manhattan says, "Nothing ever ends." Before Adrian can ask what he means by this, Manhattan has disappeared, leaving behind some smoke rising off a sphere, which looks similar to a mushroom cloud rising from a globe. The last we see of Adrian, he looks distraught. So, rather than kill him, Manhattan leaves Adrian with the realization that he may have murdered milliions and not truly saved the world, after all.
oh wow... yeah,... now thats a great ending.. thank you
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They don't necessarily agree with him. They are horrified by the fact that he has slaughtered millions. But they also realize that they have no choice but to remain silent.
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At the Q&A Zack Snyder was talking about a script he was given, the original script ending was going to have Night Owl having a final conversation with Veidt and Veidt asks, "One last thing... why DO you like owls so much?" Dan turns to Veidt and says, "Well, my favorite thing has to be that - you can never hear an owl coming!" Right when Dan says this Archie blows through the wall and pins Veidt against the wall killing him.
Would ya guys prefer that? =P
Would ya guys prefer that? =P
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I read about that. If that happened, I would burned down the theater.
EDIT: Speaking of scripts, I wouldn't mind checking out Hayter's original draft, the one that updated the story to 2005.
EDIT: Speaking of scripts, I wouldn't mind checking out Hayter's original draft, the one that updated the story to 2005.
[quote name='supermodestmouse']i really enjoyed it as well. the one thing that i left the theater asking was:
Where was rorschach possibly thinking of going to when he first exited the frozen base? He acted like he was going to walk back.
and
Was it really necessary to kill rorschach? The world viewed him as a psycho and weirdo anyway. Would the world really believe what he had to say? Why not let Ozy discredit him or something instead of blowing him apart? it just seemed...unnecessary.
otherewise, i really liked the movie and i definately plan on getting a blu ray[/QUOTE]
Ozy could get away with it only because the general public has a very specific false image of him and know little of the real man, with no reason to connect him to the events in New York. After all, hadn't the hero killer sent an assassin after him, too?. No matter how insane Rorschach may be perceived, his account would be logically and factually consistent. At the very least it would cause too many people to start examining the situation and even those seeking to disprove Rorschach's claim would likely find there are some odd skeletons in Adrian Veidt's closet.
The potential problems were just too great. Doc saw this whether Ozy did or not, so it was he who tried to cut off the loose end. If he'd known about Rorschach journal he might have destroyed that as well.
Where was rorschach possibly thinking of going to when he first exited the frozen base? He acted like he was going to walk back.
and
Was it really necessary to kill rorschach? The world viewed him as a psycho and weirdo anyway. Would the world really believe what he had to say? Why not let Ozy discredit him or something instead of blowing him apart? it just seemed...unnecessary.
otherewise, i really liked the movie and i definately plan on getting a blu ray
[/QUOTE]Ozy could get away with it only because the general public has a very specific false image of him and know little of the real man, with no reason to connect him to the events in New York. After all, hadn't the hero killer sent an assassin after him, too?. No matter how insane Rorschach may be perceived, his account would be logically and factually consistent. At the very least it would cause too many people to start examining the situation and even those seeking to disprove Rorschach's claim would likely find there are some odd skeletons in Adrian Veidt's closet.
The potential problems were just too great. Doc saw this whether Ozy did or not, so it was he who tried to cut off the loose end. If he'd known about Rorschach journal he might have destroyed that as well.
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[quote name='DarkNessBear']This really nerdy kid in my class today wouldn't stop shouting, "ALL WATCHMEN IS - IS BIG BLUE PENISS!!!! 20 MINUTES OF BLUE PENIS" So annoying.[/quote]
Did you ask if he was jealous?
Did you ask if he was jealous?
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[quote name='bigdaddybruce44']Yes, Rorschach was going back to Archie.
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I'm pretty sure Rorschach knew he was going to be killed, but he stuck to his convictions about never compromising.
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I'm pretty sure Rorschach knew he was going to be killed, but he stuck to his convictions about never compromising.
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Perhaps. But in the book, the scene plays out a bit differently. First of all, Night Owl and Rorschach don't walk to Adrian's base. They use these hover scooter things. So, after the final confrontation, Rorschach goes outside, is seen prepping the scooter, and then Manhattan comes. He asks Rorschach where he is going, and he tells him back to Archie and back to America, so that Adrian can be punished. Then, there is a frame where Rorschach is standing there, and Manhattan says "Rorschach..." Then, he tells him that he can't let him do that.
Not saying you guys are wrong, but Moore himself does not make it clear that Rorschach is already resigned to the fact that Manhattan is going to kill him.
Not saying you guys are wrong, but Moore himself does not make it clear that Rorschach is already resigned to the fact that Manhattan is going to kill him.
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Rorschach isn't crazy. He is just too sane.
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They don't necessarily agree with him. They are horrified by the fact that he has slaughtered millions. But they also realize that they have no choice but to remain silent.
The functional difference is nil, if there is one.
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well, my point was they could kill him anyway and just not tell the world
and yes the functional difference is nil...but he still deserved to get killed for his actions.
that being said, i guess the book ending is more understandable
Originally Posted by bigdaddybruce44
They don't necessarily agree with him. They are horrified by the fact that he has slaughtered millions. But they also realize that they have no choice but to remain silent.
The functional difference is nil, if there is one.
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well, my point was they could kill him anyway and just not tell the world
and yes the functional difference is nil...but he still deserved to get killed for his actions.
that being said, i guess the book ending is more understandable
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dont forget alot of blue D!CK come on like half the movie was blue D!CK
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There is one thing that i thought wasn't entirely clear, Comedian knew about Ozzy's plan, right? That's why Ozzy had to kill him. If so, how did Comedian find out about it? Seems like it was explained, but i can't remember from either the book or movie.
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[quote name='JolietJake']There is one thing that i thought wasn't entirely clear, Comedian knew about Ozzy's plan, right? That's why Ozzy had to kill him. If so, how did Comedian find out about it? Seems like it was explained, but i can't remember from either the book or movie.[/quote]
The Comedian went on various trips for the government.
When he found the artist island where the creature was being built, it freaked him out by the grandness of the joke Ozzy was planning.
Between the Comedian finding the island and filing a report to his superiors, Ozzy killed him.
EDIT: Remember this was the 80s. No picture cellphones or Internet.
The Comedian went on various trips for the government.
When he found the artist island where the creature was being built, it freaked him out by the grandness of the joke Ozzy was planning.
Between the Comedian finding the island and filing a report to his superiors, Ozzy killed him.
EDIT: Remember this was the 80s. No picture cellphones or Internet.
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[quote name='bigdaddybruce44']Perhaps. But in the book, the scene plays out a bit differently. First of all, Night Owl and Rorschach don't walk to Adrian's base. They use these hover scooter things. So, after the final confrontation, Rorschach goes outside, is seen prepping the scooter, and then Manhattan comes. He asks Rorschach where he is going, and he tells him back to Archie and back to America, so that Adrian can be punished. Then, there is a frame where Rorschach is standing there, and Manhattan says "Rorschach..." Then, he tells him that he can't let him do that.
Not saying you guys are wrong, but Moore himself does not make it clear that Rorschach is already resigned to the fact that Manhattan is going to kill him.[/quote]
Ya you are right. I have Watchmen right next to me - Rorschach is getting on the hover bike when Manhattan asks him where he is going, and he says back to the owl ship and back to society (or something).
Not saying you guys are wrong, but Moore himself does not make it clear that Rorschach is already resigned to the fact that Manhattan is going to kill him.[/quote]
Ya you are right. I have Watchmen right next to me - Rorschach is getting on the hover bike when Manhattan asks him where he is going, and he says back to the owl ship and back to society (or something).
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[quote name='integralsmatic']Heath made that role shine as the joker and it was just as sinister in its own sense.
personally i liked them both equally.[/quote]
Yea that's pretty much my opinion.
I feel this movie is getting the same unfair bashing that Sin City got(Oh its TOO VIOLENT and DARK the movie is called Sin City what the do you expect puppies and roses?!?)
My favorite comic/GN adaptations:
Watchmen, The Dark Knight, Sin City and 300.
Hellboy 1&2, Iron Man, V For Vendetta, Wanted(though I have not read the novel).
personally i liked them both equally.[/quote]
Yea that's pretty much my opinion.
I feel this movie is getting the same unfair bashing that Sin City got(Oh its TOO VIOLENT and DARK the movie is called Sin City what the
do you expect puppies and roses?!?)My favorite comic/GN adaptations:
Watchmen, The Dark Knight, Sin City and 300.
Hellboy 1&2, Iron Man, V For Vendetta, Wanted(though I have not read the novel).
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[quote name='bigdaddybruce44']Perhaps. But in the book, the scene plays out a bit differently. First of all, Night Owl and Rorschach don't walk to Adrian's base. They use these hover scooter things. So, after the final confrontation, Rorschach goes outside, is seen prepping the scooter, and then Manhattan comes. He asks Rorschach where he is going, and he tells him back to Archie and back to America, so that Adrian can be punished. Then, there is a frame where Rorschach is standing there, and Manhattan says "Rorschach..." Then, he tells him that he can't let him do that.
Not saying you guys are wrong, but Moore himself does not make it clear that Rorschach is already resigned to the fact that Manhattan is going to kill him.[/QUOTE]
I guess it all falls on your interpretation of the character. I perceive Rorschach as the type to know that he's beaten, but to see through things to the end. He's slightly crazy....slightly...but he has unshakable conviction. To assume Dr.Manhattan would allow him to ruin the plan,I think that suggests more Rorschach possesses more naivety than he showed up to that point.
Again,probably just open to interpretation.
Not saying you guys are wrong, but Moore himself does not make it clear that Rorschach is already resigned to the fact that Manhattan is going to kill him.[/QUOTE]
I guess it all falls on your interpretation of the character. I perceive Rorschach as the type to know that he's beaten, but to see through things to the end. He's slightly crazy....slightly...but he has unshakable conviction. To assume Dr.Manhattan would allow him to ruin the plan,I think that suggests more Rorschach possesses more naivety than he showed up to that point.
Again,probably just open to interpretation.
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Reality's Fringe;5616401 said:
How was Rorschach crazy? Unshakable conviction to the right thing isn't a mental defect.
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I never noticed in the novel, but Rorschach is apparently pretty conservative. In the movie i remember him mentioning that Silhouette led an immoral life because she was a lesbian. I also think that he knew that something was going to happen at Ozzy's base, otherwise he wouldn't have given the newspaper his journal as a back up plan.
Did they explain that about Comedian in the movie? I don't remember them mentioning he found the place where Ozzy was working on the creature. I need to go back and read the novel again.
Did they explain that about Comedian in the movie? I don't remember them mentioning he found the place where Ozzy was working on the creature. I need to go back and read the novel again.
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